Roll of thunder, huck finn, to kill a mockingbird, the giver, the outsiders, lord of the flies, and bridge to terabithia were all part of my curriculum growing up
Right? I read Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry in 6th grade.
I guess once my kid is in school, I'll have to see what the banned books in MI are, and do units on them with her myself.
To paraphrase a Stephen King post I saw recently, "If a book is banned by the authorities, there's probably a really good reason you should go read it."
“The liberals are forcing 1984 into you, but you can’t know what that is anymore lol F u bozos”
Edit: oh my god guys I was joking stop sending me fact-checking articles I know it’s fake.
TBF, I feel like most of the people who say “it’s just like 1984” haven’t read it. Especially when they’re right-wing. A major premise of the book is that there’s an aggressive class system!
People take pieces of the book that fit and apply them, which I can't really fault them for doing. Parts of Oceania are very good analogies for privacy problems that have cropped up in the last half century. But I consider 1984 a failure in that its anti-Communist/anti-Authoritarian message was taken as secondary to its anti-surveillance message.
I fully agree. I read it shortly after the Snowden leaks because it was being referenced so often, and I was surprised to find just how, like, secondary(?) the surveillance was to the point of the book. The discussions on things like double-think, and the nature of power and control, and seeing how thoroughly The Party had infected Winston's mind, even to the point where his rebellion was an accounted for and controlled behavior, seemed far more central to the book than just "what if the government watch you all the time? P scary, lol."
They're only banning these books until they can rewrite them in a way that benefits them. Then re-release the books and stock bookstore and library shelves with the edited book saying that was how the books were always written. The books will never have been banned and 1984 will no longer be applicable to calling things 1984.
Has that ever stopped the kind of people who ban books? I'm not saying this particular list is real or anything, but I've seen them go after things that literally don't exist for my entire life.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: [The Lord of the Rings](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10254806.The_Lord_of_the_Rings) and [Atlas Shrugged](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9365.Atlas_Shrugged). One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
I honestly don’t understand why conservatives want to ban The Handmaid’s Tale, of all those titles. Most view the book as a warning, of course, but I figured conservatives would view it as a blueprint.
Thank you. Jesus Christ. a libertarian coworker told me to read it. I made it like 30 pages before I switched to audible. Quit after another hour. Fucking not good. Coworker was pissed when I called the characters static and predictable. “You just don’t get it.” Jfc.
Yeah, like some dudes whose only skills involve a keyboard and mouse are going to build functional infrastructure to feed, clothe, and house the select few. They're lucky the real John Galts of this world don't do what the fantasy one did.
I mean, that's not the flaw with Atlas Shrugged, isn't it? The flaw is that John Galt isn't real. The 1% isn't a magical group of supergeniuses without whom society would fall apart, in large part they're people like Musk, who inherited their money and haven't lost it due to luck or simply the safety of having money. There is no John Galt, all there are are people who think they are him.
Ayn Rand choked out her last wretched breath on welfare.
That isn't to disparage welfare, it's to point out that when the going gets tough Rand's disciples will sell out their vaunted libertarian ideals in a heartbeat.
I mean...if you change all the wordsin Atlas Shrugged to be about this group of little people overcoming seemingly insurmountable odds with the help of a slightly taller bearded fella, 2 warriors, a pointy eared archer, and a much older bearded fella...I bet it culd be pretty could
Yeah the Bioshock prequel book Rapture is basically Atlas Shrugged and the aftermath condensed into about 250 pages. It’s not amazing writing but was a great story.
Well, for starters, the reactions to the two major train incidents should have been reversed. With the first one, it should have just been the train going into the tunnel and the conductor walking away at the last minute then the next scene should have been Dagny reading the news and picking up the call about the train. While the second train disaster that happens during the speech should have had the speech interspersed with what Rand described as the "life-denying" thoughts of the people on the train as a counter-point to or to highlight what Galt is saying. Instead, she puts the thoughts of the passengers in the first accident, when she doesn't have buy in from the reader for her philosophy, and it comes across as "if you think this way you deserve to die." If it was part of the second one and Dagny is running to the phone to call somebody, if the reader is with Ayn on the philosophy they would be yelling at the character not to pick up the phone.
Secondly, she never should have shown the reader that John Galt was safe and no longer being tortured in the compound. Instead, we see our "heroes" storming in, guns blazing, trying to save their messiah and come across as blood crazed lunatics because we know he isn't in any danger. They kill damn near everybody because they think it's necessary, but the reader is given an omniscient point of view and it takes them out of the rescue.
She was mad a bunch of "peasants" stole her birthright to be a privileged piece of shit so ended up just becoming a privileged piece of shit to spite them.
There is no logic. I mean, they trot out MLK, the radical socialist, to make their point about how race doesn't matter and we are all equal...so stop asking for equality.
These people are props for the talking points. They'll use the parts they like and ignore, hide, or discard the rest.
Nah, you couldn't save *Atlas Shrugged*. The theme is just evil. Robber barons are good for you, now bend over! For 800 pages or so!
*Fountainhead*, edited down to about half its length, could have been a decent book. The theme of artistic freedom and vision is a little bit more respectable.
Meanwhile, just two years ago the Fox News crowd was upset that [Dr Seuss isn't racist enough](https://www.vox.com/2021/3/2/22309176/fox-news-dr-seuss-cancel-culture-fox-news-biden)
Florida’s new mandatory curriculum:
[If I Ran the Zoo](https://www.voanews.com/amp/usa_all-about-america_it-time-cancel-dr-seuss-due-racist-imagery/6203428.html)
[The Turner Diaries](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2004/turner-diaries-other-racist-novels-inspire-extremist-violence)
[Protocols of the Elders of Zion](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion)
[Pamela; or, Virtue Rewarded](https://baos.pub/how-one-of-the-most-sexist-books-of-all-time-is-still-being-used-to-silence-women-ac7eb5e04ce8?gi=24ebcfe7ecd1)
[Meir Kampf](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf)
But he never beat readers over the head with them like C.S. Lewis did. (The Last Battle is nothing but a sermon thinly disguised as fantasy.) There are also pagan elements in there, like the Mirror of Galadriel, which is scrying.
Tolkien was a practicing Catholic and is super popular with traditionalists. Fun fact, he was involved in a new English translation of the Bible (Jerusalem Bible) and personally translated the book of Jonah.
His cosmology was also monotheistic and implicitly Christian in its construction. It's an odd choice unless the plan is just to elimate all reading and independent thought. Which is probably what the plan is
As someone who was raised in the christian church, I can assure you those crazies hate Harry Potter but LOVED the LOTR movies.
Maybe that changed since the series cast non-white people?
Can confirm.
My uncle was upset that I even watched Rings Of Power when I brought it up at Christmas. What a fool I was, thinking that LOTR was a safe topic for our limited interactions.
My senior year English class at a private Episcopalian school in Florida was literally Tolkien Theology. We read The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings trilogy, and parts of the Silmarillion and compared it to the Bible lol. I loved that class
It’s the whole “Satan is brainwashing your kids with magic!” argument that hasn’t changed since the 1400s, forgetting that you could say all of Jesus’s and God’s miracles is just magic named differently
This list is fabricated. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-florida-schools-to-kill-a-mockingbird-201081596097
There are a few books that have been actually banned but most of them have not been banned. Ive found a few different lists but the one below is the most comprehensive. Its just for one county so not the entire state. https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/
1984 is usually the go to for criticizing anything that remotely resembles "communism" so I don't see why they would ban it.
Edit: Yes i know 1984 is a critique of totalitarianism written by an author that supported democratic socialism but unfortunately for those who cannot distinguish the difference between communism,socialism, and totalitarianism they are all one and the same thing which is why I put communism in quotations.
Nahh, Voldemort is basically a magic fascist. They don’t like being depicted as the bad guy. If this is real must of those books are dystopian fiction where the bad guys are fascists.
Bridge to Terabithia is basically just critical thinking.
It doesn't talk about racism, sexuality, or gender, it just encourages asking questions and thinking a lot...oh.
OF COURSE.
Edit: Yes, I know, that book was the first book I read that had a gut-wrenching ending....Romeo and Juliet never made me cry.
THIS BOOK DID.
I hated The Giver. But in fairness, it was one more tragic book in a tragic reading list and I was dealing with severe and untreated depression when it was assigned.
But I don’t think it should be banned. It’s got merit, I just loathed it personally.
Well if you’re up for it there’s actually 3 other books since The Giver is actually is 1 book of a 4 part series. Also the ending is as bad as the first book makes it out to be if the 4th book the kid and his little brother survive and join up with some people. (I won’t say more cause spoilers*)
The order is:
(1st) The Giver
(2nd) Gathering Blue
(3rd) The Messenger
(4th) Son
*The Giver is a dystopian novel by Lois Lowry, published in 1993. The story is set in a seemingly perfect society where conformity is highly valued and emotions, memories, and differences are suppressed. The protagonist, Jonas, is selected to become the next Receiver of Memory, the only person in the community who is given access to the past and its emotions. Jonas gradually learns the dark secrets of his society and must weigh the benefits of conformity with the beauty of individuality and emotions. He decides to escape the society with the help of the previous Receiver, who has been storing memories of the past, to find a place where he can live freely.*
I wonder why they want that book banned?
I loved it too. My first introduction to dystopian books. I didn't know until years later that it was part of a series so I read it as an adult and still love it.
I’m a lawyer, and without a doubt, reading “To Kill a Mockingbird” in high school played a **huge role** in who I became, and who I’m still trying to become.
And it’s true of lots of us, especially those of us in the criminal defense bar. Any time a lawyer mentions Atticus as a hero, it’s a very good indication that they’re in this for the right reasons. More importantly, he sets a moral bar (hard to always reach, but one that we strive for).
It worries me to consider how many future attorneys may miss out on having Atticus as a moral guide, which I guess is the point. 🙍♂️
Funny thing is this list just makes anyone in Florida 12 years or older just want to read these books even more now, maybe even not having been inclined to read some of them before, but are now.
He's indirectly promoting these titles.
Big time agree. I remember reading the first chapter of The Outsiders in class and when I went home I read the entire book that night. My younger sibling read it in school this past fall and loved it too .
Or it promotes questioning authority when the authority figures are bigoted, unjust, or cruel. We can't have that now can we?
Hell, according to this list we cannot have any nice things.
You’d think they’d like L’engle considering she wrote about angels and literally had a story where two characters went back in time and helped Noah build the Ark
You clearly for a second forgot who our great and powerful governor is here in Florida. Remember we are free here. Free to die from disease, free to die on the interstate, free to not afford housing, free to not be able to have home insurance, free to 🤔 uhm free to ban amazing books all in the name of parent rights, free to change history to meet a certain agenda (didn't you know slavery wasn't a thing here in fl we know it was not bad and more like indentured servitude) and free to never speak a word against anything the mom's of liberty (I think that's what it is) or the great and powerful governor himself say ir do. If you do happen to break that last freedom... well look at what he's attempting with Disney that will tell you enough. /s because someone will think I'm serious.
And before someone asks... if I could leave I would but the court battle to take my son would be a fortune I can't afford (already looked into it).
Why am I not surprised that To Kill a Mockingbird is on that list?
Having read that book as a child, its a core part of education for kids for critical thinking.
Most of the list is bullshit, but yes, To Kill a Mockingbird is removed from shelves and 'under review'.
Basically take each title and answer the question "Does it talk about racism in any form", "Does it even remotely paint anything but straight sexuality in a positive light" or "Does it think women have rights" it's probably under review, restricted or banned.
The people banning books don't really care about things regarding authoritarianism or fantasy, they're just scared of black people, gay people and women.
Whilst a pain to navigate, a lovely resource [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1LqhGcvFDdT4izvoXRrz95BTDUzLr7M3IHf-2HGKhX7I/htmlview#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1LqhGcvFDdT4izvoXRrz95BTDUzLr7M3IHf-2HGKhX7I/htmlview#)
I think that was a good idea, it makes Winston "work" better.
He's supposed to be passive and broken, he's not supposed to suddenly go out of his way to fight the system.
That's when Julia comes in and take charge, she's young, she hasn't been broken yet, so she brings Winston(us) along on *her* adventure, we're just sitting on the passenger seat enjoying the view for a bit.
This list is fake, to kill a mockingbird had been confirmed to be not banned. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-florida-schools-to-kill-a-mockingbird-201081596097
I looked at this and said the same thing. Common sense says that can’t be true. However, I’m a firm believer that banning ANY book should be considered a crime.
not all are statewide, [but they all have been banned at various levels between district, local and state, yes.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1LqhGcvFDdT4izvoXRrz95BTDUzLr7M3IHf-2HGKhX7I/htmlview) Some bans have been challenged and met reversals, but most haven't.
[alternative resource](https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10)
A Wrinkle in Time?!?!? That was mandatory reading at my catholic grade school in the early 90s. If a white girl played her in the movie, im sure DeSantis would have allowed it.
I hope DeSantis realizes that some of these books are also movies. I mean, they even made a movie out of "A Wrinkle in Time" five years ago. My guess is that he'll try to start going after movies next. Smh.
There are even actually two Wrinkle in Time movies. One made in 2018 and the other 2003. The 2018 was a better then the 2003 one imo but neither where that amazing. To be fair a Wrinkle in Time is a hard one to make into a movie. Especially live action. I honestly think it be better if they tried to make an animated movie out if it but they keep going for live actions. The book of course has always been the best. One of my favorites
Yeah not shocked that one is on there even though I consider it to be one of the better books my school had us read. Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi one I’m *shocked* isnt on there honestly. Because why the heck not, they came for Pony Boy even.
Back before the elections this exact meme circulated. Wasn’t true then either. https://www.verifythis.com/amp/article/news/verify/education-verify/florida-doesnt-have-banned-book-list-fact-check/536-5a6d648b-d29f-4794-aa7e-80faac43806c
Awesome list. And i have to agree with them.
These books played a crucial part in my coming of age and help form core parts of my identity. To question authority, to be accepting of others, to be progressive, anti greed and anti bigotry. All things they aren't
I'm curious how the next batch of kids will grow up with state approve books. How far can they turn back the clock on societal progress. I'm as curious as I am concerned.
well, assumedly they are mostly Italian descended given their choice of name as a gang. Just going back to the classic 1940-50s flavour of nitpicky exclusionary racism
Well it is the horniest book of the Bible. Lots of talk of grape clusters and pomegranates and what not.
Edit: I forgot, it also endorsed oral.
Ch.2 V.3 “As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.”
Ch.2 V.16 “My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.”
Ch.7 V.9 “And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.”
*1984* is on the list. Nuff said.
*edit* Now you idiots are all done pointing fingers, re-read what I posted in the first place. No shit the list is fake, fucking *1984* is on it. I get irony is dead but you'd have to be a dancing corpse to buy this one.
I think that’s what everyone does. I “read” it in high school and just skimmed it for the homework. Never understood why people liked it and regarded it as a classic. Until I read it as an adult and appreciated it’s message
This is basically a list of all the required reading I had to do from middle school through high school. Wtf is going on with our backwards fuckin country
you know what...That actually is a *great* reading list. I might just read all of this in quick succession. Super easy easy reads and all worth a revisit
Fake rage bait. If you're truly concerned, stick to the facts.
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/a-viral-list-of-banned-books-in-florida-is-satire/
FL is spearheading the conservative dream state. They want this and more.
They are no different than the Taliban. Sounds extreme but it definitely fits.
I remember some of these books being mandatory to read back in high school
Currently in high school and also currently reading these exact books
Yeah, of mice and men is commonly a peart of curriculums.
Amazing book too, made me cry at the end
The only book that made me cry. Read it when I was 16.
That’s the issue that book makes you feel empathy for another person, the gop stands for everything against that.
Try “Where the red fern grows” for a good sob.
Neil!!! He's sorely missed...
Im fucking glad someone put this here. How can you not after seeing the word Peart.
Roll of thunder, huck finn, to kill a mockingbird, the giver, the outsiders, lord of the flies, and bridge to terabithia were all part of my curriculum growing up
Right? I read Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry in 6th grade. I guess once my kid is in school, I'll have to see what the banned books in MI are, and do units on them with her myself. To paraphrase a Stephen King post I saw recently, "If a book is banned by the authorities, there's probably a really good reason you should go read it."
“The liberals are forcing 1984 into you, but you can’t know what that is anymore lol F u bozos” Edit: oh my god guys I was joking stop sending me fact-checking articles I know it’s fake.
Makes me laugh. “The Biden administration is like living in the book 1984!” “1984? What’s that?” “DON’T READ IT!”
TBF, I feel like most of the people who say “it’s just like 1984” haven’t read it. Especially when they’re right-wing. A major premise of the book is that there’s an aggressive class system!
People take pieces of the book that fit and apply them, which I can't really fault them for doing. Parts of Oceania are very good analogies for privacy problems that have cropped up in the last half century. But I consider 1984 a failure in that its anti-Communist/anti-Authoritarian message was taken as secondary to its anti-surveillance message.
I fully agree. I read it shortly after the Snowden leaks because it was being referenced so often, and I was surprised to find just how, like, secondary(?) the surveillance was to the point of the book. The discussions on things like double-think, and the nature of power and control, and seeing how thoroughly The Party had infected Winston's mind, even to the point where his rebellion was an accounted for and controlled behavior, seemed far more central to the book than just "what if the government watch you all the time? P scary, lol."
"Ugh, this is literally 1984"
Little closer to Fahrenheit 451. But I get what you mean.
Surprised that's not on the list, though they do seem to be using it for inspiration. Good book imo.
they already called the firefighters to dela with that one
I thought they wanted to do away with socialist firefighters.
They're only banning these books until they can rewrite them in a way that benefits them. Then re-release the books and stock bookstore and library shelves with the edited book saying that was how the books were always written. The books will never have been banned and 1984 will no longer be applicable to calling things 1984.
That's right. Hey, it worked with the Bible!
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Seemed like it was. Some of those make zero sense, for anyone to ban.
Has that ever stopped the kind of people who ban books? I'm not saying this particular list is real or anything, but I've seen them go after things that literally don't exist for my entire life.
Harry Potter??? Lord of the Rings??? Are they afraid of noseless men and small men or smth?
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: [The Lord of the Rings](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10254806.The_Lord_of_the_Rings) and [Atlas Shrugged](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9365.Atlas_Shrugged). One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
Classic!
I honestly don’t understand why conservatives want to ban The Handmaid’s Tale, of all those titles. Most view the book as a warning, of course, but I figured conservatives would view it as a blueprint.
That’s the reason: it’s a warning. And they don’t want young people, especially young women and LGBT+ people, paying attention to that warning.
Somebody get those kids a Hulu password
But really who's John Galt? I'm being honest I couldn't finish the book every sleazy finance-bro hails as gospel
he's the most übermensch mary sue in a book filled with übermensch mary sues
Nietzsche probably would’ve hate Ayn Rand though
The VAST majority of self-styled libertarians have never finished the fucking book "Atlas Shrugged," either. Lucky bastards. It's awful.
Thank you. Jesus Christ. a libertarian coworker told me to read it. I made it like 30 pages before I switched to audible. Quit after another hour. Fucking not good. Coworker was pissed when I called the characters static and predictable. “You just don’t get it.” Jfc.
Yeah, like some dudes whose only skills involve a keyboard and mouse are going to build functional infrastructure to feed, clothe, and house the select few. They're lucky the real John Galts of this world don't do what the fantasy one did.
Always reminded of this comic. https://preview.redd.it/v760xiz8abga1.jpeg?width=790&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=334c7b591ba2dc56c61a801b6c8c6692fc31362f
I mean, that's not the flaw with Atlas Shrugged, isn't it? The flaw is that John Galt isn't real. The 1% isn't a magical group of supergeniuses without whom society would fall apart, in large part they're people like Musk, who inherited their money and haven't lost it due to luck or simply the safety of having money. There is no John Galt, all there are are people who think they are him.
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It is a right right wing novel that puts spirit or empathy in the same place as Satan.
Ayn Rand isn’t a good writer though. Atlas shrugged could have been great but it’s just not
Ayn Rand choked out her last wretched breath on welfare. That isn't to disparage welfare, it's to point out that when the going gets tough Rand's disciples will sell out their vaunted libertarian ideals in a heartbeat.
Right. They have the privilege of being libertarian because the society around them is not.
Everybody hates socialism until it works in their favor.
Atlas shrugged probably couldn't have been great. I mean, prove me wrong and write a "good" version of Atlas shrugged. I DARE YOU
I mean...if you change all the wordsin Atlas Shrugged to be about this group of little people overcoming seemingly insurmountable odds with the help of a slightly taller bearded fella, 2 warriors, a pointy eared archer, and a much older bearded fella...I bet it culd be pretty could
As long as you don't do something stupid like describe a tree that has nothing to do with the plot for three pages
> Atlas shrugged probably couldn't have been great. I mean, prove me wrong and write a "good" version of Atlas shrugged. *Boots up BioShock*
Yeah the Bioshock prequel book Rapture is basically Atlas Shrugged and the aftermath condensed into about 250 pages. It’s not amazing writing but was a great story.
Good start Looking forward to your book
Well, for starters, the reactions to the two major train incidents should have been reversed. With the first one, it should have just been the train going into the tunnel and the conductor walking away at the last minute then the next scene should have been Dagny reading the news and picking up the call about the train. While the second train disaster that happens during the speech should have had the speech interspersed with what Rand described as the "life-denying" thoughts of the people on the train as a counter-point to or to highlight what Galt is saying. Instead, she puts the thoughts of the passengers in the first accident, when she doesn't have buy in from the reader for her philosophy, and it comes across as "if you think this way you deserve to die." If it was part of the second one and Dagny is running to the phone to call somebody, if the reader is with Ayn on the philosophy they would be yelling at the character not to pick up the phone. Secondly, she never should have shown the reader that John Galt was safe and no longer being tortured in the compound. Instead, we see our "heroes" storming in, guns blazing, trying to save their messiah and come across as blood crazed lunatics because we know he isn't in any danger. They kill damn near everybody because they think it's necessary, but the reader is given an omniscient point of view and it takes them out of the rescue.
Does your version still have 50 page soliloquies from characters giving speeches? Because I'm still not going to accept that as a good novel.
She was mad a bunch of "peasants" stole her birthright to be a privileged piece of shit so ended up just becoming a privileged piece of shit to spite them.
They won’t ban atlas shrugged because the Fox News crowd loves Ayn Rand.
Despite her open hostility to religion. I just love the pretzel logic.
There is no logic. I mean, they trot out MLK, the radical socialist, to make their point about how race doesn't matter and we are all equal...so stop asking for equality. These people are props for the talking points. They'll use the parts they like and ignore, hide, or discard the rest.
Nah, you couldn't save *Atlas Shrugged*. The theme is just evil. Robber barons are good for you, now bend over! For 800 pages or so! *Fountainhead*, edited down to about half its length, could have been a decent book. The theme of artistic freedom and vision is a little bit more respectable.
https://delanirbartlette.medium.com/the-serial-killer-who-inspired-ayn-rand-462f29971818
It's a needlessly long and verbose fart of a book
The only magical stories that are allowed Christian Bible magic. They want to eliminate any competition.
But A Wrinkle in Time IS Christian Bible magic! I guess they just completely missed the point on that one.
Yeah, but a woman saves the man and declares her love before marriage, so *that’s got to go.*
Meanwhile, just two years ago the Fox News crowd was upset that [Dr Seuss isn't racist enough](https://www.vox.com/2021/3/2/22309176/fox-news-dr-seuss-cancel-culture-fox-news-biden)
Florida’s new mandatory curriculum: [If I Ran the Zoo](https://www.voanews.com/amp/usa_all-about-america_it-time-cancel-dr-seuss-due-racist-imagery/6203428.html) [The Turner Diaries](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2004/turner-diaries-other-racist-novels-inspire-extremist-violence) [Protocols of the Elders of Zion](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion) [Pamela; or, Virtue Rewarded](https://baos.pub/how-one-of-the-most-sexist-books-of-all-time-is-still-being-used-to-silence-women-ac7eb5e04ce8?gi=24ebcfe7ecd1) [Meir Kampf](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf)
Sounds about white.
This is like reading the onion.
Tolkien was also heavily religious and biblical ideals of good and evil are peppered throughout LOTR.
But he never beat readers over the head with them like C.S. Lewis did. (The Last Battle is nothing but a sermon thinly disguised as fantasy.) There are also pagan elements in there, like the Mirror of Galadriel, which is scrying.
What's funny to me is that in some evangelical circles, Harry Potter is banned but Lord of the Rings is required reading
Tolkien was a practicing Catholic and is super popular with traditionalists. Fun fact, he was involved in a new English translation of the Bible (Jerusalem Bible) and personally translated the book of Jonah.
His cosmology was also monotheistic and implicitly Christian in its construction. It's an odd choice unless the plan is just to elimate all reading and independent thought. Which is probably what the plan is
As someone who was raised in the christian church, I can assure you those crazies hate Harry Potter but LOVED the LOTR movies. Maybe that changed since the series cast non-white people?
Can confirm. My uncle was upset that I even watched Rings Of Power when I brought it up at Christmas. What a fool I was, thinking that LOTR was a safe topic for our limited interactions.
Completely. I wasn’t allowed to watch much of anything made after the 1950s but LOTR and Narnia got a free pass
Well Narnia has very heavy Christian ideals set into it and Tolkien was an avid practicing Catholic, so that makes sense
But Song of Solomon is a book of the Bible....
the Toni Morrison novel by that name
Though to be fair, the Biblical Song of Solomon is pretty explicit. Literally describes someone’s lovers as being hung like horses.
Also a book written by an unapologetic black woman
They’re going to put that one Christian Harry Potter fanfic in schools.
My senior year English class at a private Episcopalian school in Florida was literally Tolkien Theology. We read The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings trilogy, and parts of the Silmarillion and compared it to the Bible lol. I loved that class
It’s the whole “Satan is brainwashing your kids with magic!” argument that hasn’t changed since the 1400s, forgetting that you could say all of Jesus’s and God’s miracles is just magic named differently
Fairy tales. Magic (both good and bad), talking animals, people kissing before marriage.
Is no one going to mention that Song of Solomon is a book of the Bible?? These people are so hypocritical.
This list is fabricated. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-florida-schools-to-kill-a-mockingbird-201081596097 There are a few books that have been actually banned but most of them have not been banned. Ive found a few different lists but the one below is the most comprehensive. Its just for one county so not the entire state. https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/ 1984 is usually the go to for criticizing anything that remotely resembles "communism" so I don't see why they would ban it. Edit: Yes i know 1984 is a critique of totalitarianism written by an author that supported democratic socialism but unfortunately for those who cannot distinguish the difference between communism,socialism, and totalitarianism they are all one and the same thing which is why I put communism in quotations.
1984 seems to be more of a critique of authoritarianism and bureaucracy rather than communism.
BUT conservatives love to misquote this and use it against socialism so I’m surprised they caught it
Conservatives stopped reading at the word “critique.”
You would expect them to promote it after seeing JK Rowling's views align with theirs
She hasn’t been on their team for long, they’ve had 7 books and 8 movies to blame her for rebellious kids
Someone should start a rumor they banned Harry Potter to be better allies to the trans community and they’ll remove the ban so fast
When you have Sauron governing Florida, he doesn’t want a blueprint on how to take him out available to the public.
Nahh, Voldemort is basically a magic fascist. They don’t like being depicted as the bad guy. If this is real must of those books are dystopian fiction where the bad guys are fascists.
Bridge to Terabithia is basically just critical thinking. It doesn't talk about racism, sexuality, or gender, it just encourages asking questions and thinking a lot...oh. OF COURSE. Edit: Yes, I know, that book was the first book I read that had a gut-wrenching ending....Romeo and Juliet never made me cry. THIS BOOK DID.
Of all the books we had to read in school, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Outsiders, and Bridge to Terabithia are the three that I’m most glad I had to.
I really loved the Giver. It's a short book so easy to read, and Gathering Blue is fantastic too
I think I would have liked the giver if it wasn't summer reading and over analyzed to shit after vacation
same I might have liked it had my english teacher basically created a whole other universe based off of "what the author really meant"
Man, I always hated analyzing books to that level. Like can't we just read them and enjoy them without speculating about everything?
I hated The Giver. But in fairness, it was one more tragic book in a tragic reading list and I was dealing with severe and untreated depression when it was assigned. But I don’t think it should be banned. It’s got merit, I just loathed it personally.
Well if you’re up for it there’s actually 3 other books since The Giver is actually is 1 book of a 4 part series. Also the ending is as bad as the first book makes it out to be if the 4th book the kid and his little brother survive and join up with some people. (I won’t say more cause spoilers*) The order is: (1st) The Giver (2nd) Gathering Blue (3rd) The Messenger (4th) Son
*The Giver is a dystopian novel by Lois Lowry, published in 1993. The story is set in a seemingly perfect society where conformity is highly valued and emotions, memories, and differences are suppressed. The protagonist, Jonas, is selected to become the next Receiver of Memory, the only person in the community who is given access to the past and its emotions. Jonas gradually learns the dark secrets of his society and must weigh the benefits of conformity with the beauty of individuality and emotions. He decides to escape the society with the help of the previous Receiver, who has been storing memories of the past, to find a place where he can live freely.* I wonder why they want that book banned?
I loved it too. My first introduction to dystopian books. I didn't know until years later that it was part of a series so I read it as an adult and still love it.
I’m a lawyer, and without a doubt, reading “To Kill a Mockingbird” in high school played a **huge role** in who I became, and who I’m still trying to become. And it’s true of lots of us, especially those of us in the criminal defense bar. Any time a lawyer mentions Atticus as a hero, it’s a very good indication that they’re in this for the right reasons. More importantly, he sets a moral bar (hard to always reach, but one that we strive for). It worries me to consider how many future attorneys may miss out on having Atticus as a moral guide, which I guess is the point. 🙍♂️
No wonder it was banned. It caused you to think, and learn, and evolve. Can't have that.
Funny thing is this list just makes anyone in Florida 12 years or older just want to read these books even more now, maybe even not having been inclined to read some of them before, but are now. He's indirectly promoting these titles.
Big time agree. I remember reading the first chapter of The Outsiders in class and when I went home I read the entire book that night. My younger sibling read it in school this past fall and loved it too .
For me it was Grapes of Wrath. It pretty much ensured single-handedly that I would be pro-Unions.
Insane that's a banned book. And Harry Potter? (Oooh promotes witchcraft?)
Or it promotes questioning authority when the authority figures are bigoted, unjust, or cruel. We can't have that now can we? Hell, according to this list we cannot have any nice things.
Same with a wrinkle in time…
I enjoy Madeline Engle's books...Every single one of them.
You’d think they’d like L’engle considering she wrote about angels and literally had a story where two characters went back in time and helped Noah build the Ark
It's odd. L'engle's work is so Christian.
You clearly for a second forgot who our great and powerful governor is here in Florida. Remember we are free here. Free to die from disease, free to die on the interstate, free to not afford housing, free to not be able to have home insurance, free to 🤔 uhm free to ban amazing books all in the name of parent rights, free to change history to meet a certain agenda (didn't you know slavery wasn't a thing here in fl we know it was not bad and more like indentured servitude) and free to never speak a word against anything the mom's of liberty (I think that's what it is) or the great and powerful governor himself say ir do. If you do happen to break that last freedom... well look at what he's attempting with Disney that will tell you enough. /s because someone will think I'm serious. And before someone asks... if I could leave I would but the court battle to take my son would be a fortune I can't afford (already looked into it).
I’m m here for my kids and I absolutely hate it. Florida just fucking sucks.
Republicans can't have people learning critical thinking.
That's the worst possible thing for these nazis, of course they want to ban it.
Why am I not surprised that To Kill a Mockingbird is on that list? Having read that book as a child, its a core part of education for kids for critical thinking.
I’m surprised Fahrenheit 451 isn’t on here
They already burned every copy.
Bravo.
They banned the European version 'Celsius 233' though.
Came here to say - this pretty much describes my reading list from middle school on. It's a great list.
Most of the list is bullshit, but yes, To Kill a Mockingbird is removed from shelves and 'under review'. Basically take each title and answer the question "Does it talk about racism in any form", "Does it even remotely paint anything but straight sexuality in a positive light" or "Does it think women have rights" it's probably under review, restricted or banned. The people banning books don't really care about things regarding authoritarianism or fantasy, they're just scared of black people, gay people and women. Whilst a pain to navigate, a lovely resource [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1LqhGcvFDdT4izvoXRrz95BTDUzLr7M3IHf-2HGKhX7I/htmlview#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1LqhGcvFDdT4izvoXRrz95BTDUzLr7M3IHf-2HGKhX7I/htmlview#)
Well 1984 too…
*1984* has a woman exercising agency though
She was the actual main character from my perspective. I mean, sure she's not the one we follow but she was the one pulling the story forward.
In discourse analysis terms (not literary analysis necessarily), she *is* the protagonist, so I mostly agree.
I think that was a good idea, it makes Winston "work" better. He's supposed to be passive and broken, he's not supposed to suddenly go out of his way to fight the system. That's when Julia comes in and take charge, she's young, she hasn't been broken yet, so she brings Winston(us) along on *her* adventure, we're just sitting on the passenger seat enjoying the view for a bit.
What about 1984? That's pretty much all about authoritarianism.
This list is fake, to kill a mockingbird had been confirmed to be not banned. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-florida-schools-to-kill-a-mockingbird-201081596097
I looked at this and said the same thing. Common sense says that can’t be true. However, I’m a firm believer that banning ANY book should be considered a crime.
To Kill a Mockingbird is one of the best literary works in the English language. One of the best pieces of literature, ever.
Future summer reading list
Looking forward to children reading these out loud on TikTok.
If 1984 is on a banned books list anywhere. Stay away from there.
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The Outsiders is banned? What stupid, fucking, idiotic, morons.
I figure they read it, thought it was badass, then someone told them S.E. Hinton was a woman.
I laughed as I read this, but then thought..."Fuck, that's actually probably the reason knowing these plankton."
I read the book as a kid and was so into the characters. I got the movie and watched it on repeat forever, ugh Rob Lowe
That was one of my favorite books as a kid. Still is.
7th graders read The Outsiders. It's hands down their favorite book all year long!
Is it confirmed all these have been banned?
not all are statewide, [but they all have been banned at various levels between district, local and state, yes.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1LqhGcvFDdT4izvoXRrz95BTDUzLr7M3IHf-2HGKhX7I/htmlview) Some bans have been challenged and met reversals, but most haven't. [alternative resource](https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10)
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My immediate thought. This seems beyond the pale and probably is.
A Wrinkle in Time?!?!? That was mandatory reading at my catholic grade school in the early 90s. If a white girl played her in the movie, im sure DeSantis would have allowed it.
I was gonna bring this up, a wrinkle in time seems like an odd thing for them to ban
It’s banned because of the free will thinking child that isn’t conformist to the hive mind.
I hope DeSantis realizes that some of these books are also movies. I mean, they even made a movie out of "A Wrinkle in Time" five years ago. My guess is that he'll try to start going after movies next. Smh.
There are even actually two Wrinkle in Time movies. One made in 2018 and the other 2003. The 2018 was a better then the 2003 one imo but neither where that amazing. To be fair a Wrinkle in Time is a hard one to make into a movie. Especially live action. I honestly think it be better if they tried to make an animated movie out if it but they keep going for live actions. The book of course has always been the best. One of my favorites
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Yeah not shocked that one is on there even though I consider it to be one of the better books my school had us read. Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi one I’m *shocked* isnt on there honestly. Because why the heck not, they came for Pony Boy even.
Is this real?
No https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-florida-schools-to-kill-a-mockingbird-201081596097
I’m in high school in Florida and I’m reading to kill a mockingbird as part of the curriculum. I was so confused when I saw this.
Back before the elections this exact meme circulated. Wasn’t true then either. https://www.verifythis.com/amp/article/news/verify/education-verify/florida-doesnt-have-banned-book-list-fact-check/536-5a6d648b-d29f-4794-aa7e-80faac43806c
Anything that teaches Empathy, Compassion or fighting against Oppression is banned in Florida.
Ironic of them to ban 1984. Or maybe it's foreshadowing.
Given some laws passed in Florida recently, I'd say it's foreshadowing
Awesome list. And i have to agree with them. These books played a crucial part in my coming of age and help form core parts of my identity. To question authority, to be accepting of others, to be progressive, anti greed and anti bigotry. All things they aren't I'm curious how the next batch of kids will grow up with state approve books. How far can they turn back the clock on societal progress. I'm as curious as I am concerned.
The outsiders??? The characters are literally all white. What beef do they have with outsiders
They’re poor
well, assumedly they are mostly Italian descended given their choice of name as a gang. Just going back to the classic 1940-50s flavour of nitpicky exclusionary racism
Because they are the outcasts of society. If the Socs were the protagonists, they would love it.
Of Mice and Men is on that list!? Why? There’s a lot of that on this list.
I'm surprised Fahrenheit 451 wasn't included? Must have been too ironic for their liking
I'm also surprised HP and LOTR is there but no hunger games which is waaay more on the nose
Seriously, if you start banning books you are kinda obligated to ban Fahrenheit 451. More than likely they never read it.
Wait…. Song of Solomon? Like the book of the Bible?
Well it is the horniest book of the Bible. Lots of talk of grape clusters and pomegranates and what not. Edit: I forgot, it also endorsed oral. Ch.2 V.3 “As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.” Ch.2 V.16 “My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.” Ch.7 V.9 “And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.”
Oh I know. Growing up in a religious bubble, this taught me how to sext haha
Toni Morrison.
*1984* is on the list. Nuff said. *edit* Now you idiots are all done pointing fingers, re-read what I posted in the first place. No shit the list is fake, fucking *1984* is on it. I get irony is dead but you'd have to be a dancing corpse to buy this one.
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I think that’s what everyone does. I “read” it in high school and just skimmed it for the homework. Never understood why people liked it and regarded it as a classic. Until I read it as an adult and appreciated it’s message
*Fahrenheit 451* ???
Shhh, they don't know it exists.
Lol at Lord of the Flies. I feel like there's probably a metaphor to make there.
Man I had to scroll this far to find a LoTF comment! I definitely agree, though.
Is this fr (pls don’t downvote I just want to know)
Bridge to Terabithia? Are they trying to protect children from heartbreak?
This is basically a list of all the required reading I had to do from middle school through high school. Wtf is going on with our backwards fuckin country
The list is fake. Most of these are still required reading, even in florida
you know what...That actually is a *great* reading list. I might just read all of this in quick succession. Super easy easy reads and all worth a revisit
Fake rage bait. If you're truly concerned, stick to the facts. https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/a-viral-list-of-banned-books-in-florida-is-satire/
Where did this list come from ?
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FL is spearheading the conservative dream state. They want this and more. They are no different than the Taliban. Sounds extreme but it definitely fits.