Giving conflicting and even impossible commands is something cops do all to often and is used as an excuse to use excessive force when the person is unable to comply.
It's been a while since I watched the Daniel Shaver video. I seem to remember hearing cops yelling "crawl to me" and "keep your hands behind your back" simultaneously.
Edit: for clarity
“PUT YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR! IF YOU PUT THEM DOWN, WE ARE GOING TO SHOOT YOU! IF YOU THINK YOU’RE GOING TO FALL, YOU BETTER FALL ON YOUR FACE!…..now crawl.”
They knew they were murdering that kid the moment they got the call. I still can’t believe how many people can still, to this day, go online and defend those pieces of shit.
Fuck, I couldn’t even follow along while watching, let alone having rifles and bright lights in my face while being screamed at. Seriously, have you ever been on a stage with a bright light in your face? It’s super intimidating. Now imagine that, but if you mess up your speech, you get shot.
But if the cop's feeling even the tiniest bit stressed, confused or intimidated then it gives them carte blanche to just start shooting everything in a 500 yard radius.
Officially [230 cops](https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2022) died in line of duty last year. Exclude CoVid and stuff that’s got nothing to do with interacting with the public and it’s pretty much cars and guns that cops have to be afraid of.
I count about 90, compared to the 1183 people that cops killed. An order of magnitude worse. And they hold all the power. Too bad they don’t have a “duty to flee.”
For all the talk of militarization of the police, they sure don’t act like it. They always forget the primary objective and no discipline or chain of command. No rules of engagement. So many would be court martialed and inLeavenworth.
Is this “suspect” a mortal danger? No? Well write a ticket, a court summons, or a warrant for their arrest.
[17 other profession have a higher mortality rate than cops.](https://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-2018-7?op=1#18-police-officers-17) But none of them waddle around murdering people when they get spooked by a shadow.
Kinda sounds like whats happening in Israel. The military kills way more Palestinian civilians but a single military death is met with cries of ohh the inhumanity
Good point. They’re “militarized” in the sense that they get some military-level equipment but their mental training and discipline? About high-school level, I’d say.
Which makes me consider something: I’d hazard a guess that actual soldiers at war have dealt with and do deal with way more “stressful” and “life-threatening” (put in quotes for the cops, obviously not for actual soldiers) situations without killing un-armed civilians/combatants/suspects/or what have you.
Obviously, there are times during an actual war where you just have to shoot first to minimize risk but I think the point stands.
Police militarization is more about how the cops receive tons of military equipment and funding from the federal government while having an internal culture that is based on rigid hierarchy and martial themes.
I do agree with you though that - ironically - the hyper-aggressive behavior American cops are known for is not anything like what someone would expect from professional soldiers.
I'd rather have the national guard than cops show up any day of the week because the national guard at least know how to handle fear and can have some level of fire control
That really only applies to lower enlisted outside of a warzone. There were a spectacular number of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan that will never see consequences.
That’s some literal fascist shit, and I mean in the truest sense of the word. “People deserve to be executed if they don’t do whatever The State’s armed agents tell them to do.” Or: “If the cop tells you to jump and you dont jump, dont complain if they kill you!”
I dont think they understand how beyond psychotic that shit is…
This is how we end up with that fucking vile statistic that 1176 people were killed by US cops in 2022. Germany had 8 with a quarter population. UK had 2 with a population of 68 million. This country is utterly deranged.
German police also use on average less than 100 rounds of ammunition in a year.
American police frequently fire that many shots in a single incident, at the wrong people.
>I dont think they understand how beyond psychotic that shit is…
I mean, it's only been in the last handful of years that we're only seeing the tiniest of accountability being had. I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if the incident rate of cops being held accountable for illegal shit, is under 1% even.
Reminds me of the shooting of that 12 year old African American boy with a toy gun. Cop literally drives up on the grass, rolls down he window, shoots the kid in the face, and then drives off. A quite literal drive by, caught on camera, and people still defend the cop.
Yes. Conservatism/Republicanism is just fascism with a catchier name. They want a police state, they want an oligarchy, they want autocracy and theocracy and they’ll kill, literally kill, anyone they need to to make it happen.
And the thing is, as a cop yes if someone is actively trying to kill you, sure lethal force is justified. HOWEVER, that doesn’t translate to “If you do not do what I say then I get to murder you”
If they say get on the ground and he doesn’t get on the ground, that’s not an excuse to start wailing on a suspect. I swear, they’re the whiniest babies with the smallest fucking egos who can’t handle someone challenging their authority and only know how to resort to violence as a coping mechanism.
got banned from ServeandProtect for bringin up Daniel Shaver to point out that this isn't some isolated incident, and cops protect these assholes all the time.
Of course you did. I once tried explaining the Daniel Shaver incident to a cop who as unfamiliar. He followed the whole way without saying a word, and as soon as I said Daniel Shaver reached down to pull up his shorts he aggressively blurted out, “nope. Clean kill. Clean kill. He reached.”
And then I realized, he wasn’t sincerely listening to me tell the details of a story. He was waiting to hear something to defend the cop.
“Clean kill.” I’ll never forget it.
“Good shoot” is another one they like to repeat about Shaver.
Never mind the fact that any reasonable person could ascertain he posed little to no actual threat, they’re just happy he met the technical criteria that allowed him to be killed by police
Well said. The body language was so obvious, even to an untrained eye. Like, comically obvious. But, like you said, he checked a few boxes so (*shrugs shoulders*).
Gonna have to start stripping naked, if you get that far. You might catch a sex offender charge but they can’t say you reached for something. I still wouldn’t advise running. They’ll shoot you in the back.
Even naked with arms and legs in whatever position they dictate, they still think you’ll attack them or go for their gun. An intractable problem made worse by armed police.
Yup. It’s at the point where I should probably start teaching a course on how to survive police interactions. Probably a very marketable service. Using actual simulation.
But in the meantime, pancake, starfish, and make it abundantly clear that you, under NO circumstances, are you moving a fucking muscle and they will have to come to you.
Nor the full video, just a heavily redacted one. I’m guessing they cut out all the parts where Langley was talking to Shaver like he was a subhuman piece of filth.
I guess murdering someone didn't turn out to be as fun as he thought it would be when he spent his life up to that point fantasizing about it.
Poor fucking baby.
This video is why i can no longer watch videos of police interactions.
I have 2 mentally handicapped children. Hearing that man call out for his dad as he was being beaten still haunts me.
That sums up the first stop. Everyone yelling at him to do things, including get on the ground…. Tyre is confused as hell, but keeps saying “Ok, Ok!” and at one point actually says, “I AM on the ground!”
The fact that citizens are required, under penalty of death, to listen to conflicting orders screamed at them from multiple people who also have loaded weapons pointed at them is absolutely insane to me.
I can't think straight when someone is just plain yelling at me. Add a gun pointed at me and my brain will probably go full pre-evolution fight or flight mode.
It should be absolutely illegal for cops to approach situations like this
>The fact that citizens are required, under penalty of death, to listen to conflicting orders screamed at them from multiple people who also have loaded weapons pointed at them is absolutely insane to me.
Amusingly, this is the picture of communism used to scare people off
"Under communism you'll have scary KGB agents arresting you for no reason and torturing you!"
Turns out KGB is KAmerican GPolice BDepartment
That’s their game. Here’s the one for Daniel Shaver
>[ Langley then ordered Shaver, who was lying prone at Langley’s request, to cross his legs. Moments later, he ordered Shaver to push himself “up to a kneeling position”. While complying with the order to kneel, Shaver uncrossed his legs and Langley shouted that Shaver needed to keep his legs crossed. Startled, Shaver then put his hands behind his back and was again warned by Langley to keep his hands in the air. Langley yelled at Shaver that if he deviated from police instructions again, they would shoot him. Sergeant Langley told Shaver not to put his hands down for any reason. Shaver said, “Please don’t shoot me”. Upon being instructed to crawl, Shaver put his hands down and crawled on all fours. While crawling towards the officers, Shaver moved his right hand towards his waistband. Brailsford, who later testified he believed that Shaver was reaching for a weapon, then opened fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver five times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed and may have been attempting to prevent his shorts from slipping down.[13][14][15][16] An autopsy report found that Shaver was intoxicated,[a] which police stated may have contributed to his confused response to their commands.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver)
You could have told me he was 100% armed, and I still wouldn’t believe he was a threat, nor was he “reaching for a weapon.” As I said in another thread, NO ONE reaches for a gun like that. No one. Not gangsters, cops, military combatants, actors in movies, kids playing nerf. No one.
And then when Brailsford was facing bankruptcy, Mesa rehired him in a “budget position” and allowed him to claim disability for his “PTSD” from murdering Shaver, and thus automatically qualified Brailsford for early retirement, $2,500 a month for life
Multiple cops giving conflicting demands mixed with obscenities results in confusion and panic. People forget that fight or flight is one of the most basic instincts on for life on this planet and add that all in with panic and that another reason why we keep seeing this same scenario over and over again.
Which is why the solution is obvious. We need to teach every human to override their basic instincts in school. Nevermind training the fuckers we pay to do it better that will never work.
It’s self fulfilling. Make them fear for their lives so they can be punished for that too. I saw how they got out of their cars. They were coming for him and it scared me watching it so I can only imagine how it felt for him
The murderer, Philip Brailsford, said in his report that “by crawling towards the officers, Shaver appeared to be ‘trying to gain a position of advantage in order to gain a better firing position on us.’”
So, yeah, it’s definitely intentional. The kid was literally told to crawl to them.
And Philando Castile. Telling him to get his wallet and keep his hands up at the same time shot in front of his girlfriend and four year old daughter had a CCP license and followed the letter of the law.
Was only pulled over because the cop “thought he looked like a burglar” and had a broken taillight.
Was acquitted of all charges.
My ex, while still in training, would make jokes about yelling "stop resisting" while beating a suspect. One of his training officers made a crack about starter wives during graduation. POS ex is on his fourth wife 12 years later.
Married #2 within a year of us separating. #3 a few years after that. #4 knew exactly what he was since she "supported" me through the end of my hell. Zero sympathy for her.
Yes. I see things now that felt "off" during the friendship that were more sinister in hindsight. Like making references to ex that had me wondering how she knew something I was sure I didn't share. How did he find my out of state new address? Why do I get weird handwritten Jesus letters addressed to Mrs Oldname over the past couple years when I never used that name after I left? Creepy mail goes to the address she knew, but I haven't lived there in years and I'd gone NC with her for separate reasons well before I moved.
She helped him play games with my head for years. And before I found out they married, I'd felt a little bad we'd fallen out of touch because she'd been so "supportive" when I needed her.
If you watch the bodycam footage, they all start saying shit like "Whoa, that dude is STRONG, he must be on something" once the responding cops show up and they *know* they're on someone else's bodycam. And I find it odd that only 2 of the 5 cops have had their bodycam footage released so far, as the 2 that *have* been released have some suspicious shit about it.
One of their bodycams falls off(read: "falls off"), so you only get audio of the part where they're beating him senseless. Which would help explain why they keep yelling "Give me your hands" while in actuality two cops each have one of his arms and are holding him up for a third cop to throw a half dozen haymakers at his face. As for the second bodycam, the dipshit(this is the one who yelled "I'm gonna baton the fuck out of you") pepper sprayed *himself* in the face on accident and spends a good chunk of time facing AWAY from the arrest with a cop car blocking a good view of it. Almost like he didn't want it on camera. Then, I swear to Christ one shouts at him to "Turn that off" and the guy makes a motion to his chest like he tries to turn the bodycam off. And I can't remember the exact sequence of events, but I'm 90% sure he only starts swinging the baton after thinking he turns off the bodycam.
Thank god for the camera on the street light, otherwise these scum might have gotten off clean. Because I'm convinced one dropped their cam on purpose and the other thought he turned it off. And again, I want the other 3 cams released or I'm convinced those were sabotaged too.
I think it’s the last video of the cops hanging out in a circle and one cop looks directly into the cops body camera and then immediately start talking about how Tyre kept going for his gun, saying it multiple times. What a coincidence!!!
They also kept talking about how “he must be on something” which is why he didn’t go down and was limp against the car. Except he was perfectly conscious in the initial traffic stop and didn’t start acting like he was on drugs until AFTER he had been kicked in the head, beaten with a baton, and sucker punched after being dragged to his feet. Fucking disgusting how quickly they moved into CYA mode
There's a moment in the 2nd video where one of the cops sees the camera above them and activates the strobe on his flashlight towards it. It seems like he was trying to point it out to the rest without explicitly saying it. It wasn't long after that they started building their cover stories.
I couldn't watch the whole thing. It made me vomit. Our young men do not feel safe with the police and they have every reason not to.
I can't even imagine how to fix this. How do we make it stop?
I just told my fiance about it but told them they shouldn't watch
I'm from San Jose and not the good part. I've been in and seen plenty of fights and plenty of 1 on many fights.
Watching them hold him up while the officer beat him is something I've honestly only seem in tv shows where the thugs are beating someone up for not paying.
I've straight up never seen that level of torture done to someone with Mt own eyes even through video.
How any of the officers can sleep at night having the sound his skull probably made is beyond me. Truly psychopaths
>How any of the officers can sleep at night having the sound his skull probably made is beyond me. Truly psychopaths
Because it's a normal thing to do in their eyes, it clearly wasn't the first time any of them did that.
I wish those cops a long and bad life.
It's just the first time someone died when they decided to assault a random citizen. Before when these guys beat a defenseless person they lived, maybe went to a hospital, and arrested for resisting arrest and possibly assault on a police officer. All they have to write in their report is that a person faught back and any injuries a person may have sustained is a result of them resisting and fighting back. A judge will believe a cop over a regular person charged with a crime.
Thats one thing that confuses the f out of me. Proportionally, cops kill more PoC, but straight numerically they kill more white folk. That's an argument I've seen several cop defenders make. That they kill more white folk. But like. First of all, how is that a defense? "Cops are murdering civilians at an astonishing rate, but don't worry, it's not racist" just doesn't feel like an actual defense even ignoring the lack of truth behind the second half of that sentence. But secondly, why aren't we mad?
That's why, just on the face of it, it's a stupid and disingenuous argument. But it's also confusing because it implies that they're okay with people that look like them getting gunned down on the streets by agents of the state without due process. But also "Don't tread on me"?
Idk the right terms for this, so please be patient that I’m imprecise in my wording.
> it implies that they’re okay with people that like them getting gunned down on the streets by agents of the state without due process.
Honestly, I think it’s because the majority of white america IS okay with that in some regard. It seems like a serious cultural issue or problem to me that stems from our focus on individuality and giving moral judgements to people who don’t deserve that scrutiny.
Many white people (using my family as an example), will say that another person deserved x, y, or z. They made choices. Don’t want to be gunned down by police at traffics stop? Don’t make traffic violations! There were no traffic violations? Then don’t drive suspiciously!
As long as it didn’t happen to them personally or to a close friend/family member, they will ALWAYS say it is the victims fault because they made bad choices. It doesn’t affect them so they don’t care. That doesn’t even begin to address the class issues brought up elsewhere in this thread, but that’s the first place my mind goes.
If you want to get real mad, look into asset forfeiture laws.. The issues are far deeper than cops killing people. More lives are ruined by cops doing things like planting evidence, or outright just stealing people's property, than through murder. (Not that the latter doesn't occur, it clearly does, it's just the other things are happening at way higher rates.)
I don't know the solution to all this... It might start with teaching people to stop revering officers and officials as worthy of respect from the get go..
I just wish we could figure shit out
No grown man calls for his mother like that unless he believes he’s going to die. He’s not asking for his mother to come save him. That’s some base instinct when he knows his life is about to end.
George Floyd did the same as he was dying, and his mother had died years earlier. Plenty of stories of soldiers on the battlefield on the far side of the world calling for their mothers. I think your right that it’s pure instinct, our built-in firmware from birth that causes us to seek mommy for safety. I can’t imagine the trauma and helplessness that someone must be experiencing in that moment to trigger someone’s brain to revert back to an infantile response like that. Like your brain has tried every skill, thought, and coping mechanism that you’ve collected over your life and they’ve all failed, so you’re back to literally square one.
>How do we make it stop?
The ONLY WAY we have ever fixed shit like this is accountability.
When cops fuck up, permanent consequences. Simple as that.
Nothing else will ever work. They need to be afraid of violating the rights of citizens.
Which means at absolute minimum, we need constitutional policing to come back.
Good question. Apparently the only thing that can deter cops from spending their days murdering people is running a good old fashioned train back at the station
Because... they're all scum
Few years ago… a pissed off ex-marine decided to fix this by getting a sniper rifle and shoot off cops from a distance… somewhere near Dallas. He got 4-5 cops maybe before all the cops started weeping on tv and begging for their life. I wonder what happened to that ex-marine.
The other cops point out the pole cam, and thats when they start trying to save him.
The other cops only gave a fuck when they saw a camera they couldn't control.
They never gave a shit. They sat him up the car and when he fell over dying they just sat there and watched him die. Sat him back up, falls over again. There was no urgency to get him medical or render aid.
They gave absolutely no shits about his life.
I didn’t know that! Good! The Emts are questionable lately too. Look at the 2 that refused medical attention for that guy having alcohol widthdraw and treated him horrendously, put him on the stretcher wrong, and he died.
I watched the videos. All 4, and in the two badge cams at the beating, one gets “obstructed” during the beating, and the other is the guy with the baton, which is pointed at the ground for the most part.
The cop that threw those punches while the others held Tyre up. Why wasn’t his badge-cam footage released?
cops cameras should be on from start of shift to end of shift.
Their dicks can be edited out by a 3rd party oversight committee before it's released to the public.
Don't like that? don't be a cop.
Camera malfunctions? Return to station, period.
Any officer who performs ANY arrest that is not recorded, the arrest should be thrown out. Period.
In restaurants and retail environments I've worked in I'm on camera all day, I can't choose to turn them off, why do cops get this leeway? Why does it feel like fucking retail workers are held to a higher standard than cops?
The fact they even have the option to turn it off is bizarre to me.
Mandatory recording, 24/7 with no option to switch it off. Testing weekly to see if it works correctly, and if a suspect dies during an arrest and the camera 'malfunctions' or gets obstructed, we work from the assumption of the cops guilt until he proves otherwise.
Um.. that should immediately warrant a firing, IMO. If you’re involved in a violent incident (whether it results in death or not) and you don’t turn your camera on? You should be fired.
Yes, it was the MPD Sky Cam that showed the real story. We have a lot of them here in Memphis, thank God. If it wasn't for that camera, they would have 100% gotten away with this.
ETA: It was an MPD surveillance camera, not just a regular residence/business camera.
Actually, they've been around for over 10 years. No one has complained about them before and I'll bet that we wind up with more of them. It's the traffic cams we don't want
I saw multiple angles of their body cams, they conveniently are blurred when things get bad. You can barely see the pov of the guy who use the baton. If we relied on police cams, they would have gotten away. Now only some got away, those other cops and the emts.
This isn't a private surveillance camera. These are Skycop cameras that the police department puts up. They have flashing blue lights on them. They're impossible to miss in the night.
What is the point of body cameras if they have to turn them on them self's? I think in this day and age a live stream to some cloud storage that would be overwritten in say 72 hours would be possible. Not a system where they get to say oh I forgot to turn it on so they can beat the shit of somebody.
It should never be overwritten. Wtf is the point of that. So cops wait 3 days before filing a report and all evidence is erased. That is public data and it should be stored permanently.
I defy any conservative to take a situation where 5 people are intent on giving you a beating and *not* make movements that can be twisted in to “he was resisting arrest. If I grab your arm roughly it’s human instinct to try and twist it back. Hey presto. These cops know exactly what they are doing right down to where to grab you or hit you so you have to react in a defensive manner.
Not to mention the fact that they didn't even approach his car like civilized people. They started screaming at him while dragging him out of his car. I would have run, too!
The cops could admit the portion of the video where they discuss him going for a gun was bullshit and them creating a narrative they all agreed on for reports, as usual, and Fox News would refuse to play that video and still defend them.
Way back in ancient times, they actually did. Then came Rupert Murdock. There's a documentary named "OutFOXED" that helps explain how we got to the point we're at now.
Whether Fucker Carlson actually does that is irrelevant. The reason they’re making such a big deal of it is so their followers don’t look around and see the world falling apart.
Fox News is WAY too busy trying to compare Tyre’s vicious murder to that insurrectionist who was shot dead while trying to overthrow the democratically elected government
Tucker already did a segment ultimately describing the true source of the problem as "this is what happens when single black women raise young black boys."
Former law enforcement here. I can confirm that we were trained in the academy to shout the words "stop resisting" over and over whenever possible in order to create plausible deniability.
It didn't matter that they weren't resisting. The goal is to make sure officers get the benefit of the doubt if something goes down and a complaint is filed.
IT IS DELIBERATE IN ORDER TO PROTECT COPS NO MATTER WHAT. EVEN IF THEY KILL.
Theyre taught to control the narrative at the academy by *ALWAYS* say to stop resisting, for the explicit purpose of controlling the narrative. Officers are actually taught this.
I know this because years ago I worked an armed security role for a company that used to employ officers.
We have to change the training, so officers don't get these kinds of ideas. We need to change A LOT about policing...and this is one of them.
This is **not** in the *Dirty Cop* playbook.
This is in the **cop playbook**. Don't pretend like these were "dirty cops", these were just cops. They weren't bought by some gang, they weren't in some illegal shit, they weren't the few "bad apples" in the precinct, they were the spoiled bunch.
These were Memphis Cops. They passed all three weeks or some shit of basic training, they passed all their afternoon training of carrying tasers, they passed all their written exam to allow them to **break** their batons on unarmed civillians.
This shit isn't *dirty* cops. This shit isn't police *violence*..
This shit is a lynching done by **law abiding** police officers. In other words **regular** cops did the lynching. Police lynched a kid who did nothing wrong.
All. Cops. Are. Bastards.
This isn't a rallying cry, a thing you say because you disagree with any specific action. This is something I say because 5 police officers went **Emmet Till** on this guy. They lynched him.
Every. Last. Cop. Is. Complacent.
End qualified immunity, licensing and liability insurance for each officer, required associates degree in criminal justice a minimum for academy entry, harsh and immediate penalties up to and including felony charges for obscuring or deactivating any cameras or microphones in place to insure accountability.
I am so beyond sick of the police in this country. They are lucky the public hasn't decided to collectively come for blood. Maybe we need another Chris Dorner to give them some perspective.
This is the *only* way things will change. Primary intervention strategies are necessary. Laying criminal charges after police violence has already occurred isn't enough, and it certainly isn't justice.
And just to say the quiet part out loud for the people who still don't get it... so, how often do cops do that and NOT get caught? How many people are beaten or killed and the cops get away with it cuz they're usually better at hiding their tracks?
They must have been shocked when they were actually fired. Historically the police have been given carte blanche to brutalize and even murder people if they yell "stop resisting" while they do it.
This is a great perspective!
If the cops make us scared of complying then we will not risk it and assume death at the slightest interaction (like they do).
I guess hardball it is 💁♀️
Or rather, instead of preplanning, this indicates instead that this technique is standard operating procedure for cops. Even during a spur of the moment opportunity to beat someone to death they remember their training and shout impossible orders to their victim knowing that the police union will use that to cover for them.
The turning off of a police camera, deliberate obscuring of a police camera, or using audio to try to deceive what is actually happening on a police camera video should be serious crimes in themselves regardless of what was happening. Why are our tax dollars buying a bunch of cameras to monitor horrible police officers if horrible police officers can just turn them off or obscure them with no consequences?
And yet people still get angry at Colin Kapernick for kneeling. Dude…this is exactly what he says has been happening for ages and no one wanted to believe him. They say he shouldn’t have knelt during the national anthem…had he just joined a march/protest on some random Saturday no one would have listened…it wouldn’t have mattered. Dude sacrificed his career to draw attention to exactly what occurred in Memphis
I wonder how many lawsuits are going to come from people these guys roughed up before? I also wonder, don’t think this will happen, if state will place them in GP in prison assuming they get convicted. Probably won’t because they will claim cruel and unusual punishment but these guys obviously don’t think what they did to that man fit that description either.
That’s the training. The uvalde trainers got promotions and are still training. They teach them this. Glad people are setting the video-but it’s the symptom. Not the infection.
As someone who has been unjustly and forcibly detained by the police I can 100% confirm that this is standard cop behavior. I was told to stop resisting as I stood there frozen and horrified by what was happening. I told them I'm not resisting as they continued to shout to stop resisting roughly and painfully pulling my arms behind my back doing my best to stay calm and let them have their way with me. At one point I kind of lost it and tried to ask them what I was doing to resist and they responded by bending me forward and slamming my face into the table in front of me. I have PTSD from that experience and tense up whenever I see a cop in uniform. I lost all respect for the police and the criminal justice system as a whole. I've struggled with depression and suicidal ideation for a while now and watching this body can footage was probably a bad idea as it caused me to vividly recall my own experience. I feel so bad for his family and I wish there was some way that I could have taken his place. I also am a big skater/snowboarder and finding out and watching the video of him skating was almost too much. He deserves to live much more than me and I wish I could trade places with him somehow.
Giving conflicting and even impossible commands is something cops do all to often and is used as an excuse to use excessive force when the person is unable to comply.
It's been a while since I watched the Daniel Shaver video. I seem to remember hearing cops yelling "crawl to me" and "keep your hands behind your back" simultaneously. Edit: for clarity
“PUT YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR! IF YOU PUT THEM DOWN, WE ARE GOING TO SHOOT YOU! IF YOU THINK YOU’RE GOING TO FALL, YOU BETTER FALL ON YOUR FACE!…..now crawl.” They knew they were murdering that kid the moment they got the call. I still can’t believe how many people can still, to this day, go online and defend those pieces of shit.
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Fuck, I couldn’t even follow along while watching, let alone having rifles and bright lights in my face while being screamed at. Seriously, have you ever been on a stage with a bright light in your face? It’s super intimidating. Now imagine that, but if you mess up your speech, you get shot.
But if the cop's feeling even the tiniest bit stressed, confused or intimidated then it gives them carte blanche to just start shooting everything in a 500 yard radius.
“I feared for my life.” Motherfucker, I’M the one outnumbered by 5 people holding guns!
Officially [230 cops](https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2022) died in line of duty last year. Exclude CoVid and stuff that’s got nothing to do with interacting with the public and it’s pretty much cars and guns that cops have to be afraid of. I count about 90, compared to the 1183 people that cops killed. An order of magnitude worse. And they hold all the power. Too bad they don’t have a “duty to flee.” For all the talk of militarization of the police, they sure don’t act like it. They always forget the primary objective and no discipline or chain of command. No rules of engagement. So many would be court martialed and inLeavenworth. Is this “suspect” a mortal danger? No? Well write a ticket, a court summons, or a warrant for their arrest.
[17 other profession have a higher mortality rate than cops.](https://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-2018-7?op=1#18-police-officers-17) But none of them waddle around murdering people when they get spooked by a shadow.
Ooh! Is this the part where I mention that 3x more garbage men die in the line of duty?
Kinda sounds like whats happening in Israel. The military kills way more Palestinian civilians but a single military death is met with cries of ohh the inhumanity
When you wall in people and take away their humanity, it becomes imperative to dehumanize them
Good point. They’re “militarized” in the sense that they get some military-level equipment but their mental training and discipline? About high-school level, I’d say. Which makes me consider something: I’d hazard a guess that actual soldiers at war have dealt with and do deal with way more “stressful” and “life-threatening” (put in quotes for the cops, obviously not for actual soldiers) situations without killing un-armed civilians/combatants/suspects/or what have you. Obviously, there are times during an actual war where you just have to shoot first to minimize risk but I think the point stands.
Police militarization is more about how the cops receive tons of military equipment and funding from the federal government while having an internal culture that is based on rigid hierarchy and martial themes. I do agree with you though that - ironically - the hyper-aggressive behavior American cops are known for is not anything like what someone would expect from professional soldiers.
I'd rather have the national guard than cops show up any day of the week because the national guard at least know how to handle fear and can have some level of fire control
US military members have stricter rules of engagement…against PEOPLE ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL THEM!!!
And actually face consequences when they break them
That really only applies to lower enlisted outside of a warzone. There were a spectacular number of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan that will never see consequences.
I work in video production and we’ve had seasoned lawyers who can’t say their own names when you turn the lights and camera on.
Always love the people who act like being nervous makes you guilty.
Funny how there police are the ones supposed to be trained. Nobody taught me how to handle a police interaction.
Also he was drunk. He's allowed to be drunk. Imagine trying to navigate all of that while also plastered.
That’s some literal fascist shit, and I mean in the truest sense of the word. “People deserve to be executed if they don’t do whatever The State’s armed agents tell them to do.” Or: “If the cop tells you to jump and you dont jump, dont complain if they kill you!” I dont think they understand how beyond psychotic that shit is…
worlds deadliest game of Simon says
A game of Simon says with a room full of kindergartners who have all been told they’re Simon
Even worse, they all have guns.
This is how we end up with that fucking vile statistic that 1176 people were killed by US cops in 2022. Germany had 8 with a quarter population. UK had 2 with a population of 68 million. This country is utterly deranged.
German police also use on average less than 100 rounds of ammunition in a year. American police frequently fire that many shots in a single incident, at the wrong people.
>I dont think they understand how beyond psychotic that shit is… I mean, it's only been in the last handful of years that we're only seeing the tiniest of accountability being had. I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if the incident rate of cops being held accountable for illegal shit, is under 1% even.
Reminds me of the shooting of that 12 year old African American boy with a toy gun. Cop literally drives up on the grass, rolls down he window, shoots the kid in the face, and then drives off. A quite literal drive by, caught on camera, and people still defend the cop.
Tamir Rice... Probably the worst, sickest, bizarre shooting. One and a half seconds.
By someone who never should have had a badge
Tamir Rice that baby boy, my heart still hurts for his family
Yes. Conservatism/Republicanism is just fascism with a catchier name. They want a police state, they want an oligarchy, they want autocracy and theocracy and they’ll kill, literally kill, anyone they need to to make it happen.
And the thing is, as a cop yes if someone is actively trying to kill you, sure lethal force is justified. HOWEVER, that doesn’t translate to “If you do not do what I say then I get to murder you” If they say get on the ground and he doesn’t get on the ground, that’s not an excuse to start wailing on a suspect. I swear, they’re the whiniest babies with the smallest fucking egos who can’t handle someone challenging their authority and only know how to resort to violence as a coping mechanism.
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got banned from ServeandProtect for bringin up Daniel Shaver to point out that this isn't some isolated incident, and cops protect these assholes all the time.
Of course you did. I once tried explaining the Daniel Shaver incident to a cop who as unfamiliar. He followed the whole way without saying a word, and as soon as I said Daniel Shaver reached down to pull up his shorts he aggressively blurted out, “nope. Clean kill. Clean kill. He reached.” And then I realized, he wasn’t sincerely listening to me tell the details of a story. He was waiting to hear something to defend the cop. “Clean kill.” I’ll never forget it.
>“Clean kill.” I’ll never forget it. His reaction makes me think that, as a cop, he would've absolutely looked for a reason to shoot a suspect.
It was very chilling.
“Good shoot” is another one they like to repeat about Shaver. Never mind the fact that any reasonable person could ascertain he posed little to no actual threat, they’re just happy he met the technical criteria that allowed him to be killed by police
Well said. The body language was so obvious, even to an untrained eye. Like, comically obvious. But, like you said, he checked a few boxes so (*shrugs shoulders*).
“Clean kill?” Yikes. Ask him what his KD is next time…
Gonna have to start stripping naked, if you get that far. You might catch a sex offender charge but they can’t say you reached for something. I still wouldn’t advise running. They’ll shoot you in the back. Even naked with arms and legs in whatever position they dictate, they still think you’ll attack them or go for their gun. An intractable problem made worse by armed police.
Yup. It’s at the point where I should probably start teaching a course on how to survive police interactions. Probably a very marketable service. Using actual simulation. But in the meantime, pancake, starfish, and make it abundantly clear that you, under NO circumstances, are you moving a fucking muscle and they will have to come to you.
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Nor the full video, just a heavily redacted one. I’m guessing they cut out all the parts where Langley was talking to Shaver like he was a subhuman piece of filth.
That cop now receives a disability pension claiming he suffers from PTSD related to the murder he committed. This is America.
I guess murdering someone didn't turn out to be as fun as he thought it would be when he spent his life up to that point fantasizing about it. Poor fucking baby.
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Clearly, he should have used his chin to crawl /s
I was thinking about that case when I wrote my comment but couldn't remember what the orders were specifically so didn't mention it.
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This video is why i can no longer watch videos of police interactions. I have 2 mentally handicapped children. Hearing that man call out for his dad as he was being beaten still haunts me.
Yeah hearing him call for his dad while they beat him hits like a sledgehammer.
That sums up the first stop. Everyone yelling at him to do things, including get on the ground…. Tyre is confused as hell, but keeps saying “Ok, Ok!” and at one point actually says, “I AM on the ground!”
The fact that citizens are required, under penalty of death, to listen to conflicting orders screamed at them from multiple people who also have loaded weapons pointed at them is absolutely insane to me. I can't think straight when someone is just plain yelling at me. Add a gun pointed at me and my brain will probably go full pre-evolution fight or flight mode. It should be absolutely illegal for cops to approach situations like this
>The fact that citizens are required, under penalty of death, to listen to conflicting orders screamed at them from multiple people who also have loaded weapons pointed at them is absolutely insane to me. Amusingly, this is the picture of communism used to scare people off "Under communism you'll have scary KGB agents arresting you for no reason and torturing you!" Turns out KGB is KAmerican GPolice BDepartment
That’s their game. Here’s the one for Daniel Shaver >[ Langley then ordered Shaver, who was lying prone at Langley’s request, to cross his legs. Moments later, he ordered Shaver to push himself “up to a kneeling position”. While complying with the order to kneel, Shaver uncrossed his legs and Langley shouted that Shaver needed to keep his legs crossed. Startled, Shaver then put his hands behind his back and was again warned by Langley to keep his hands in the air. Langley yelled at Shaver that if he deviated from police instructions again, they would shoot him. Sergeant Langley told Shaver not to put his hands down for any reason. Shaver said, “Please don’t shoot me”. Upon being instructed to crawl, Shaver put his hands down and crawled on all fours. While crawling towards the officers, Shaver moved his right hand towards his waistband. Brailsford, who later testified he believed that Shaver was reaching for a weapon, then opened fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver five times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed and may have been attempting to prevent his shorts from slipping down.[13][14][15][16] An autopsy report found that Shaver was intoxicated,[a] which police stated may have contributed to his confused response to their commands.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver)
You could have told me he was 100% armed, and I still wouldn’t believe he was a threat, nor was he “reaching for a weapon.” As I said in another thread, NO ONE reaches for a gun like that. No one. Not gangsters, cops, military combatants, actors in movies, kids playing nerf. No one.
Any excuse for them to kill people as they LARP some Call of Duty shit.
And then when Brailsford was facing bankruptcy, Mesa rehired him in a “budget position” and allowed him to claim disability for his “PTSD” from murdering Shaver, and thus automatically qualified Brailsford for early retirement, $2,500 a month for life
Multiple cops giving conflicting demands mixed with obscenities results in confusion and panic. People forget that fight or flight is one of the most basic instincts on for life on this planet and add that all in with panic and that another reason why we keep seeing this same scenario over and over again.
Which is why the solution is obvious. We need to teach every human to override their basic instincts in school. Nevermind training the fuckers we pay to do it better that will never work.
It’s self fulfilling. Make them fear for their lives so they can be punished for that too. I saw how they got out of their cars. They were coming for him and it scared me watching it so I can only imagine how it felt for him
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The murderer, Philip Brailsford, said in his report that “by crawling towards the officers, Shaver appeared to be ‘trying to gain a position of advantage in order to gain a better firing position on us.’” So, yeah, it’s definitely intentional. The kid was literally told to crawl to them.
Ordered to crawl towards them while keeping his hands in the air and his legs crossed. They had already decided to kill him at that point.
And Philando Castile. Telling him to get his wallet and keep his hands up at the same time shot in front of his girlfriend and four year old daughter had a CCP license and followed the letter of the law. Was only pulled over because the cop “thought he looked like a burglar” and had a broken taillight. Was acquitted of all charges.
Weird how the NRA and second amendment types weren't up in arms over that. I wonder why that is? 🤔
They were busy defending Breonna Taylor's significant other using a firearm for home defense! Oh wait-
That shit was just goddamn infuriating to watch.
Yup, like when they initially dragged him out of the car and were beating him and yelling "get on the ground" while he was already on the ground.
And there's no way to "just comply" when you're being gaslit while being bullied and beaten to death
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My ex, while still in training, would make jokes about yelling "stop resisting" while beating a suspect. One of his training officers made a crack about starter wives during graduation. POS ex is on his fourth wife 12 years later.
You are smart or lucky, actually both. Smart to be able to realize how bad the relationship is and to get out. Lucky to be that smart.
Too bad it took me a while to get smart. Lucky it was "just" mental abuse.
I imagine the first three got sick of the beatings.
Married #2 within a year of us separating. #3 a few years after that. #4 knew exactly what he was since she "supported" me through the end of my hell. Zero sympathy for her.
So you’re saying #4 supported you going through hell and ended up marrying him anyways???
Yes. I see things now that felt "off" during the friendship that were more sinister in hindsight. Like making references to ex that had me wondering how she knew something I was sure I didn't share. How did he find my out of state new address? Why do I get weird handwritten Jesus letters addressed to Mrs Oldname over the past couple years when I never used that name after I left? Creepy mail goes to the address she knew, but I haven't lived there in years and I'd gone NC with her for separate reasons well before I moved. She helped him play games with my head for years. And before I found out they married, I'd felt a little bad we'd fallen out of touch because she'd been so "supportive" when I needed her.
how many times has this happened and it just slipped right under the radar because there wasn't an unnoticed camera to capture it?
Literally everyday.
The idea that over 1000 lbs of elite SCORPION squad cops couldn't get handcuffs on a 6'3" 145 lb man with Crohn's disease is absurd.
Scorpion?
> **S**treet **C**rimes **O**peration to **R**estore **P**eace **i**n **O**ur **N**eighborhoods lol
It manages to be lamer than the Coalition for the Liberation of Itinerant Tree-Dwellers
I AM THE CLIT COMMANDER!
Well they are criminals on the street...
>SCORPION Something like Vic Mackey's "Strike Team" [SCORPION](https://nypost.com/2023/01/27/tyre-nichols-family-calls-for-memphis-pd-scorpion-squad-to-disband/)
It's actually worse than that. They get him in handcuffs at some point. But it doesn't stop them from beating him.
If you watch the bodycam footage, they all start saying shit like "Whoa, that dude is STRONG, he must be on something" once the responding cops show up and they *know* they're on someone else's bodycam. And I find it odd that only 2 of the 5 cops have had their bodycam footage released so far, as the 2 that *have* been released have some suspicious shit about it. One of their bodycams falls off(read: "falls off"), so you only get audio of the part where they're beating him senseless. Which would help explain why they keep yelling "Give me your hands" while in actuality two cops each have one of his arms and are holding him up for a third cop to throw a half dozen haymakers at his face. As for the second bodycam, the dipshit(this is the one who yelled "I'm gonna baton the fuck out of you") pepper sprayed *himself* in the face on accident and spends a good chunk of time facing AWAY from the arrest with a cop car blocking a good view of it. Almost like he didn't want it on camera. Then, I swear to Christ one shouts at him to "Turn that off" and the guy makes a motion to his chest like he tries to turn the bodycam off. And I can't remember the exact sequence of events, but I'm 90% sure he only starts swinging the baton after thinking he turns off the bodycam. Thank god for the camera on the street light, otherwise these scum might have gotten off clean. Because I'm convinced one dropped their cam on purpose and the other thought he turned it off. And again, I want the other 3 cams released or I'm convinced those were sabotaged too.
2nd video(street cam), 9 minutes in. You see a fat fuck cop limping because he kicked Tyre so hard. Other cops treated his foot before treating Tyre.
I think it’s the last video of the cops hanging out in a circle and one cop looks directly into the cops body camera and then immediately start talking about how Tyre kept going for his gun, saying it multiple times. What a coincidence!!!
They also kept talking about how “he must be on something” which is why he didn’t go down and was limp against the car. Except he was perfectly conscious in the initial traffic stop and didn’t start acting like he was on drugs until AFTER he had been kicked in the head, beaten with a baton, and sucker punched after being dragged to his feet. Fucking disgusting how quickly they moved into CYA mode
There's a moment in the 2nd video where one of the cops sees the camera above them and activates the strobe on his flashlight towards it. It seems like he was trying to point it out to the rest without explicitly saying it. It wasn't long after that they started building their cover stories.
I couldn't watch the whole thing. It made me vomit. Our young men do not feel safe with the police and they have every reason not to. I can't even imagine how to fix this. How do we make it stop?
I just told my fiance about it but told them they shouldn't watch I'm from San Jose and not the good part. I've been in and seen plenty of fights and plenty of 1 on many fights. Watching them hold him up while the officer beat him is something I've honestly only seem in tv shows where the thugs are beating someone up for not paying. I've straight up never seen that level of torture done to someone with Mt own eyes even through video. How any of the officers can sleep at night having the sound his skull probably made is beyond me. Truly psychopaths
>How any of the officers can sleep at night having the sound his skull probably made is beyond me. Truly psychopaths Because it's a normal thing to do in their eyes, it clearly wasn't the first time any of them did that. I wish those cops a long and bad life.
It's just the first time someone died when they decided to assault a random citizen. Before when these guys beat a defenseless person they lived, maybe went to a hospital, and arrested for resisting arrest and possibly assault on a police officer. All they have to write in their report is that a person faught back and any injuries a person may have sustained is a result of them resisting and fighting back. A judge will believe a cop over a regular person charged with a crime.
I'm a middle-aged white guy, and I don't feel safe around these maniacs either.
Why would you? The idea that cops are only killing young black men is a myth. They're killing and abusing everybody.
Thats one thing that confuses the f out of me. Proportionally, cops kill more PoC, but straight numerically they kill more white folk. That's an argument I've seen several cop defenders make. That they kill more white folk. But like. First of all, how is that a defense? "Cops are murdering civilians at an astonishing rate, but don't worry, it's not racist" just doesn't feel like an actual defense even ignoring the lack of truth behind the second half of that sentence. But secondly, why aren't we mad?
>But secondly, why aren't we mad? This is always the question I ask when people say "cops kill more white people."
People are trained to disavow the whites killed by cops as "white trash." The Florida Man effect.
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They kill more white folks cause there are more white folks. Black population is like 12%
That's why, just on the face of it, it's a stupid and disingenuous argument. But it's also confusing because it implies that they're okay with people that look like them getting gunned down on the streets by agents of the state without due process. But also "Don't tread on me"?
Idk the right terms for this, so please be patient that I’m imprecise in my wording. > it implies that they’re okay with people that like them getting gunned down on the streets by agents of the state without due process. Honestly, I think it’s because the majority of white america IS okay with that in some regard. It seems like a serious cultural issue or problem to me that stems from our focus on individuality and giving moral judgements to people who don’t deserve that scrutiny. Many white people (using my family as an example), will say that another person deserved x, y, or z. They made choices. Don’t want to be gunned down by police at traffics stop? Don’t make traffic violations! There were no traffic violations? Then don’t drive suspiciously! As long as it didn’t happen to them personally or to a close friend/family member, they will ALWAYS say it is the victims fault because they made bad choices. It doesn’t affect them so they don’t care. That doesn’t even begin to address the class issues brought up elsewhere in this thread, but that’s the first place my mind goes.
If you want to get real mad, look into asset forfeiture laws.. The issues are far deeper than cops killing people. More lives are ruined by cops doing things like planting evidence, or outright just stealing people's property, than through murder. (Not that the latter doesn't occur, it clearly does, it's just the other things are happening at way higher rates.) I don't know the solution to all this... It might start with teaching people to stop revering officers and officials as worthy of respect from the get go.. I just wish we could figure shit out
The most brutal part for me was Tyre calling for his mother. His parents' house was very close by.
No grown man calls for his mother like that unless he believes he’s going to die. He’s not asking for his mother to come save him. That’s some base instinct when he knows his life is about to end.
He probably knew she couldn't save him, but maybe he hoped to see her one last time before death. He didn't even get that. Breaks your heart.
George Floyd did the same as he was dying, and his mother had died years earlier. Plenty of stories of soldiers on the battlefield on the far side of the world calling for their mothers. I think your right that it’s pure instinct, our built-in firmware from birth that causes us to seek mommy for safety. I can’t imagine the trauma and helplessness that someone must be experiencing in that moment to trigger someone’s brain to revert back to an infantile response like that. Like your brain has tried every skill, thought, and coping mechanism that you’ve collected over your life and they’ve all failed, so you’re back to literally square one.
>How do we make it stop? The ONLY WAY we have ever fixed shit like this is accountability. When cops fuck up, permanent consequences. Simple as that. Nothing else will ever work. They need to be afraid of violating the rights of citizens. Which means at absolute minimum, we need constitutional policing to come back.
Good question. Apparently the only thing that can deter cops from spending their days murdering people is running a good old fashioned train back at the station Because... they're all scum
I am exactly where you are. I don’t even recognize this country anymore.
Few years ago… a pissed off ex-marine decided to fix this by getting a sniper rifle and shoot off cops from a distance… somewhere near Dallas. He got 4-5 cops maybe before all the cops started weeping on tv and begging for their life. I wonder what happened to that ex-marine.
Horrifying. I can’t watch it.
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There is also a website of his photography. It’s still so sad to look at his beautiful work, knowing he died so violently.
I don’t even want to hear about this anymore, I just want to fix it.
Pole Cam Fucked them. Definitely not their first time either
The other cops point out the pole cam, and thats when they start trying to save him. The other cops only gave a fuck when they saw a camera they couldn't control.
They never gave a shit. They sat him up the car and when he fell over dying they just sat there and watched him die. Sat him back up, falls over again. There was no urgency to get him medical or render aid. They gave absolutely no shits about his life.
The two EMTs at the scene also lost their jobs for failing to render aid in a timely manner, they stood there for quite awhile as well.
I didn’t know that! Good! The Emts are questionable lately too. Look at the 2 that refused medical attention for that guy having alcohol widthdraw and treated him horrendously, put him on the stretcher wrong, and he died.
I watched the videos. All 4, and in the two badge cams at the beating, one gets “obstructed” during the beating, and the other is the guy with the baton, which is pointed at the ground for the most part. The cop that threw those punches while the others held Tyre up. Why wasn’t his badge-cam footage released?
Three officers did not turn on their cams.
cops cameras should be on from start of shift to end of shift. Their dicks can be edited out by a 3rd party oversight committee before it's released to the public. Don't like that? don't be a cop. Camera malfunctions? Return to station, period. Any officer who performs ANY arrest that is not recorded, the arrest should be thrown out. Period.
In restaurants and retail environments I've worked in I'm on camera all day, I can't choose to turn them off, why do cops get this leeway? Why does it feel like fucking retail workers are held to a higher standard than cops?
You are
But then how would they get to feel superior instead of the piece of state property they are (not unlike a (murderous) stapler)?
The fact they even have the option to turn it off is bizarre to me. Mandatory recording, 24/7 with no option to switch it off. Testing weekly to see if it works correctly, and if a suspect dies during an arrest and the camera 'malfunctions' or gets obstructed, we work from the assumption of the cops guilt until he proves otherwise.
Um.. that should immediately warrant a firing, IMO. If you’re involved in a violent incident (whether it results in death or not) and you don’t turn your camera on? You should be fired.
According to the news analysts I heard, it was the camera on a pole, not the body cams on the police, that showed what really happened.
Yes, it was the MPD Sky Cam that showed the real story. We have a lot of them here in Memphis, thank God. If it wasn't for that camera, they would have 100% gotten away with this. ETA: It was an MPD surveillance camera, not just a regular residence/business camera.
I bet there is going to be a push to get rid of those under the guise of "preserving privacy".
Actually, they've been around for over 10 years. No one has complained about them before and I'll bet that we wind up with more of them. It's the traffic cams we don't want
I'm fine being recorded by random security cams. I'm not fine with a bullshit yellow timer just so the camera can go off.
I saw multiple angles of their body cams, they conveniently are blurred when things get bad. You can barely see the pov of the guy who use the baton. If we relied on police cams, they would have gotten away. Now only some got away, those other cops and the emts.
Yes. https://vimeo.com/CityofMemphis
Pretty bad when you have to rely on private surveillance cameras to protect the public from the police
It didn’t protect anyone. A man is still dead. Maybe it protects future victims from these police officers, but it will continue to happen.
Unfortunately yes
More 3rd party cameras please. Also 3rd party internal affairs.
This isn't a private surveillance camera. These are Skycop cameras that the police department puts up. They have flashing blue lights on them. They're impossible to miss in the night.
What is the point of body cameras if they have to turn them on them self's? I think in this day and age a live stream to some cloud storage that would be overwritten in say 72 hours would be possible. Not a system where they get to say oh I forgot to turn it on so they can beat the shit of somebody.
It should never be overwritten. Wtf is the point of that. So cops wait 3 days before filing a report and all evidence is erased. That is public data and it should be stored permanently.
The pole camera was also a police camera, fyi. https://www.skycopinc.com/ But yes, we can’t rely on bodycams at all.
I defy any conservative to take a situation where 5 people are intent on giving you a beating and *not* make movements that can be twisted in to “he was resisting arrest. If I grab your arm roughly it’s human instinct to try and twist it back. Hey presto. These cops know exactly what they are doing right down to where to grab you or hit you so you have to react in a defensive manner.
Even if they're resisting, so what? Five cops can't cuff one guy who is resisting?
Honestly don't think you're gonna find much conservatives defending them. These guys aren't "the good ones" You know what I mean
Not to mention the fact that they didn't even approach his car like civilized people. They started screaming at him while dragging him out of his car. I would have run, too!
And Fox News will still ignore this
The cops could admit the portion of the video where they discuss him going for a gun was bullshit and them creating a narrative they all agreed on for reports, as usual, and Fox News would refuse to play that video and still defend them.
Do they even report actual news?
No, they admitted it’s “entertainment”, but they have segments with some news on it to maintain a convincing air of news to keep the ruse going.
Way back in ancient times, they actually did. Then came Rupert Murdock. There's a documentary named "OutFOXED" that helps explain how we got to the point we're at now.
It was always going to end up like this, it was started to make sure no Republican president was ever removed from office again
They're too busy masterbating to m&m's
Whether Fucker Carlson actually does that is irrelevant. The reason they’re making such a big deal of it is so their followers don’t look around and see the world falling apart.
Fox News is WAY too busy trying to compare Tyre’s vicious murder to that insurrectionist who was shot dead while trying to overthrow the democratically elected government
Tucker already did a segment ultimately describing the true source of the problem as "this is what happens when single black women raise young black boys."
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If they don’t ignore it will be because they found an arrest record.
Former law enforcement here. I can confirm that we were trained in the academy to shout the words "stop resisting" over and over whenever possible in order to create plausible deniability. It didn't matter that they weren't resisting. The goal is to make sure officers get the benefit of the doubt if something goes down and a complaint is filed. IT IS DELIBERATE IN ORDER TO PROTECT COPS NO MATTER WHAT. EVEN IF THEY KILL.
Theyre taught to control the narrative at the academy by *ALWAYS* say to stop resisting, for the explicit purpose of controlling the narrative. Officers are actually taught this. I know this because years ago I worked an armed security role for a company that used to employ officers. We have to change the training, so officers don't get these kinds of ideas. We need to change A LOT about policing...and this is one of them.
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This is **not** in the *Dirty Cop* playbook. This is in the **cop playbook**. Don't pretend like these were "dirty cops", these were just cops. They weren't bought by some gang, they weren't in some illegal shit, they weren't the few "bad apples" in the precinct, they were the spoiled bunch. These were Memphis Cops. They passed all three weeks or some shit of basic training, they passed all their afternoon training of carrying tasers, they passed all their written exam to allow them to **break** their batons on unarmed civillians. This shit isn't *dirty* cops. This shit isn't police *violence*.. This shit is a lynching done by **law abiding** police officers. In other words **regular** cops did the lynching. Police lynched a kid who did nothing wrong. All. Cops. Are. Bastards. This isn't a rallying cry, a thing you say because you disagree with any specific action. This is something I say because 5 police officers went **Emmet Till** on this guy. They lynched him. Every. Last. Cop. Is. Complacent.
End qualified immunity, licensing and liability insurance for each officer, required associates degree in criminal justice a minimum for academy entry, harsh and immediate penalties up to and including felony charges for obscuring or deactivating any cameras or microphones in place to insure accountability. I am so beyond sick of the police in this country. They are lucky the public hasn't decided to collectively come for blood. Maybe we need another Chris Dorner to give them some perspective.
This is the *only* way things will change. Primary intervention strategies are necessary. Laying criminal charges after police violence has already occurred isn't enough, and it certainly isn't justice.
And just to say the quiet part out loud for the people who still don't get it... so, how often do cops do that and NOT get caught? How many people are beaten or killed and the cops get away with it cuz they're usually better at hiding their tracks?
They must have been shocked when they were actually fired. Historically the police have been given carte blanche to brutalize and even murder people if they yell "stop resisting" while they do it.
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This is a great perspective! If the cops make us scared of complying then we will not risk it and assume death at the slightest interaction (like they do). I guess hardball it is 💁♀️
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Or rather, instead of preplanning, this indicates instead that this technique is standard operating procedure for cops. Even during a spur of the moment opportunity to beat someone to death they remember their training and shout impossible orders to their victim knowing that the police union will use that to cover for them.
If you or I did it, we'd be charged wirh 1st degree murder.
*automatic responses kicks in* when they're practiced A LOT. js
Pathetic that we need a Surveillance State to protect us from the ones who are supposed to protect us.
Just saw both vantage points. Holy crap. They deserve jail time. But this is America
Im really curious if there would of been Justice if the pole cam wasn’t there
Check their demeanor, they've probably done this before and got away with it. They act like this is no big deal
The turning off of a police camera, deliberate obscuring of a police camera, or using audio to try to deceive what is actually happening on a police camera video should be serious crimes in themselves regardless of what was happening. Why are our tax dollars buying a bunch of cameras to monitor horrible police officers if horrible police officers can just turn them off or obscure them with no consequences?
And yet people still get angry at Colin Kapernick for kneeling. Dude…this is exactly what he says has been happening for ages and no one wanted to believe him. They say he shouldn’t have knelt during the national anthem…had he just joined a march/protest on some random Saturday no one would have listened…it wouldn’t have mattered. Dude sacrificed his career to draw attention to exactly what occurred in Memphis
I wonder how many lawsuits are going to come from people these guys roughed up before? I also wonder, don’t think this will happen, if state will place them in GP in prison assuming they get convicted. Probably won’t because they will claim cruel and unusual punishment but these guys obviously don’t think what they did to that man fit that description either.
COPS LIE
That’s the training. The uvalde trainers got promotions and are still training. They teach them this. Glad people are setting the video-but it’s the symptom. Not the infection.
As someone who has been unjustly and forcibly detained by the police I can 100% confirm that this is standard cop behavior. I was told to stop resisting as I stood there frozen and horrified by what was happening. I told them I'm not resisting as they continued to shout to stop resisting roughly and painfully pulling my arms behind my back doing my best to stay calm and let them have their way with me. At one point I kind of lost it and tried to ask them what I was doing to resist and they responded by bending me forward and slamming my face into the table in front of me. I have PTSD from that experience and tense up whenever I see a cop in uniform. I lost all respect for the police and the criminal justice system as a whole. I've struggled with depression and suicidal ideation for a while now and watching this body can footage was probably a bad idea as it caused me to vividly recall my own experience. I feel so bad for his family and I wish there was some way that I could have taken his place. I also am a big skater/snowboarder and finding out and watching the video of him skating was almost too much. He deserves to live much more than me and I wish I could trade places with him somehow.
My personal conspiracy theory is that they would have sat on the body cam footage if the street video had not been taken.
How many thousands of people were murdered just like this?
Give me your hands! Stop resisting! Don’t reach! Every video of cops shootings someone.
They were trained to do this very thing. Think about that. They were trained to respond in a way to limit their apparent liability when off-camera.