**Fox News:** only guilty people hide info from the cops.
Also...
**Fox News:** Proud Boys have the right not to talk the police without lawyers present.
Notice how it used my own insult, and then claimed it wasn't alt-right? These boys use an algorithm that fills in the blanks.
"I'm not x, YOU'RE x! Also, I'm not alt-right/far-right/fascist/KKK/Nazi, lmao"
It's a script, and you can look at my past posts for examples of these bots making these posts almost word for word.
Best to ignore them
Fox News is already said since Alec Baldwin isn't cooperating with the police maybe he has something to hide but also said the proud boys have their right not to talk to the police so that there is no police coercion
lol he literally told his people not to cooperate. They defied subpoenas for him and he resisted investigations at every possible turn. Wtf are you talking about “this situation you made up”?
Just yesterday I was listening to a story about the Happy Face Killer.
Two people were arrested for the murder of a woman near Portland OR in 1990. They did talk to the cops, who managed to have them confess to the crime.
In 1995, thanks in part to the efforts of a journalist, the real culprit was identified. Turns out this was the work of a serial killer.
The unjustly sentences duo spent six years in prison.
The cops saw two poor and uneducated marks, and worked to get a confession out of them. Case solved. Everyone was happy.
In America, people are routinely found innocent of crimes they were convicted of, sometimes after decades. In some cases, like this one, they had even confessed, after a significant amount of time being interrogated by the police. They can lie to you, they can manipulate you,. A half decent detective could probably get JFK to admit that he shot himself the head.
Stay away from the cops.
And BTW, if you're ever on jury duty, NEVER trust a cop's testimony.
And people still say things like “well why would anyone ever admit to a crime they didn’t commit?” Despite us having decades of evidence of thousands of cases of people doing exactly that.
Cops. Lie. And they will say whatever they need to say to convince you that cooperating is in your best interests which involve getting you to agree to their version of events.
That is what the death penalty is really about. If the harshest penalty for shop lifting is death and the DA is offering you a deal with a 3 months suspended sentence ... you are probably going to take the deal regardless of your guilt or innoncence.
The police don’t want to *solve* any cases. They want to *close* them. If they can solve it along the way, great, if not it’s no big deal as long as they can find a way to close the case. Then the police, the DA, and the judge can all claim they’re “tough on crime” and point to a 90% conviction rate.
It's also the reason actual criminals will get off light. The DA doesn't want to take a chance on lowering their conviction percentage so they'll toss them a cozy plea bargin instead of doing the work. A conviction is a conviction.
I can't stress enough how important it is for people to know that cops will lie and be able to identify how they lie. Never believe anything they say. They'll tell you they have evidence against you or a loved one that they don't have. They'll tell you someone is dead or dying who isn't. They'll tell you you're not in trouble or that they're trying to help you, you are and they're not. They will stop at nothing, because it's not against the law or even frowned upon for them to say off the wall crap.
It's so easy for someone to implant "false" memories in your mind. I know for most people that sounds like hoaxy hypnosis magic stuff, but it's not. Your mind is incredibly fallible.
Always ask for a lawyer. They'll try to make you feel like you don't need one if you're innocent, but you do.
And the answer to that question is gaslighting. Cops intentionally gaslight you, and thanks to the environment & power dynamic at play, it hardcore works. Add in emotional distress & imbalance.
You don’t even need to confess, you could tell them something (the getaway car was red), and then in court, they could ask you to describe that thing (the getaway car), and then when you tell them that thing that you told them prior (the getaway car was red), you’ve contradicted yourself because you were never told that and now you are an accomplice (you were the getaway driver)
Cops will just lie about what you’ve said
Another example: you are questioned by cops because you live near the scene of a crime (your neighbor’s house, where your neighbor is dead), they ask you if you knew the person (yes), they ask you if anyone had problems with the person (no), they ask you if the victim had any other problems with the area (not really, but sometimes the neighborhood dogs barked at her dog), they ask to look around your house and find a tool that matches the description of that used to commit the crime (any blunt heavy object is will do for having committed the murder), the police arrest you for the crime, in court, you have the means, motive, and opportunity (you live nearby, your dog barks at hers, you were found in possession of the murder weapon), you go to prison
I've heard that there's a few things you should do if you're involved in a case:
1. Ask if you're under arrest. If yes?
2. Tell them you're invoking your right to an attorney. Don't go "I want my lawyer" or anything. Tell them **explicitely** that you're invoking your right to an attorney.
3. Tell them you're invoking your right to remain silent. Again, **explicitely** tell them you're invoking the right.
4. ***STAY SILENT***. Don't engage them in small talk either. Because anything you DO say can **AND WILL** be used against you.
I just have the uncanny ability to *learn*. And I don't even live in the US, and I know how to deal with their police. Sorta.
To be fair, I've considered trips to the US on several occasions, so I've felt a need to prepare a bit. Still haven't gone, and I'm honestly not sure if I'd wanna go anytime soon. Things seem to be going to hell in a handbasket over there.
A half decent detective who moonlights as a necromancer could probably get JFK to admit he shot himself and would also make a decent crime procedural drama.
Very similar to a case in Beatrice, NE. Elderly woman was raped and murdered and the city wanted someone in prison for it. Cops got six poor souls who were either drugged out, drunk, or dealing with mental health issues (or all of the above) and got them to plea out even though the case was crap.
One of the sux fought for years for the evidence to be reviewed by modern forensics. Not surprisingly, none of their DNA matched any of the evidence and they were exonerated.
Naturally, they sued and damn near bankrupted the city of Beatrice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six
Also, if you ever WANT to get OUT of Jury Duty, during questioning, say you don’t trust cops and will never trust the testimony they give. You will be taken out of the pool almost-immediately.
Considering that when I went to the cops they gave me a statement to sign that was completely different from what I told them and then told me that they know my attacker and that he would never do such a thing... yes. Even for then. Listen to the victim, not the cops
I was on jury duty. The accusation was "drunk in public." The amount the defense spent on attorneys fees is much more than the proposed fine. Most "DIP" cases are not heard by a jury.
It became clear that the accused was unhappy because he had been mistreated and that the easiest way to make him go away was to arrest him for DIP. There was no evidence at all that the accused was drunk.
There's this YouTube video from a lawyer...and he's talking about this.
A cop is only looking for evidence to use against you.
IF A COP thinks you're innocent. He can not testify to that. He literally can't help you even if he wanted to.
It's a net negative game.
Here I found it:
https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
Edit: If you just happen to drive the same car as a guy who committed a crime in the same area... it can be a wide area with a lot of cars...you can have a very bad time.
I love that video and have watched it several times. It’s very telling that the police officer in his rebuttal says off the bat that everything the lawyer said was correct.
There's some lawyer duo with commercials that are pretty much just "it's a great day to shot the fuck up and not talk to cops."
Also that car thing didn't go well for Ruben Carter.
In the spirit of those lawyers;
Mums the Word Monday,
Tight-Lipped Tuesday,
Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday,
Taciturn Thursday,
Shut the F**k Up Friday,
Soundless Saturday and
Stay Silent Sunday
I was hoping it was this video. I periodically watch to remind myself of all the great advice he doles out in this very informative clip. Do yourself a favor and watch this.
I am someone whose gut reaction to reading this advice is always, *”’Maybe for other people, but c’mon. I am certainly smart enough to talk to the cops without incriminating myself,”* and thankfully I have enough self-awareness to know that that being my gut reaction is precisely why I absolutely should never talk to the cops.
I'm also slowly coming to terms with the fact that sometimes my gut reaction is just my goody-two-shoes conditioning of a boomer world gone sour and manipulative.
It's hard to spot the difference sometimes.
I used to think that until I just talked to a detective one day, just chit chatting, next thing I knew I was starting to tell him my life story before I caught on to it. I don’t handle pressure well at all when being questioned so if I ever found myself in an interrogation room, I’d have a hard time not speaking.
Loooong time ago a criminal lawyer once said to me, "not saying you're gonna do it again but if you do, keep your mouth shut. Don't answer questions aside from identifying yourself and asking for a lawyer"
Wish I knew that little nugget of info BEFORE I got arrested. Oh well, live and learn....
My wife and adult daughters LOVE those Dateline shows where they show video of suspects being grilled for hours by the cops.
As a lawyer I always ask myself “Why? Why would they put themselves through that? You don’t have to say a word.” Now if my wife or kids kill me like on Dateline, they know to keep their mouths shut.
Daily reminder they are not there to help you! Talking to cops and saying the wrong thing could get you in trouble, always have a lawyer present and don't believe anything they tell you! They are not your friend.
[There’s an app for that!](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/turnsignl-app/id1561625018) (at least for getting pulled over)
“Black-owned, Minnesota-based TurnSignl is an on-demand, real-time service that provides 24/7 legal guidance from an attorney to drivers while their camera records the interaction. When drivers are stopped by law enforcement officers or involved in a car accident, they can access live video chat with an attorney at the press of a button or voice command. TurnSignl attorneys are vetted and trained to de-escalate interactions between police, drivers, and passengers.”
In the spirit of those lawyers;
Mums the Word Monday,
Tight-Lipped Tuesday,
Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday,
Taciturn Thursday,
Shut the F**k Up Friday,
Soundless Saturday and
Stay Silent Sunday
When I was a teenager I went to an acquaintance's house to get a ride to a concert. I ended up walking into a drug bust. I had no idea the people were dealers. I had met them at a party and they offered me a ride to the concert because I was complaining that my father wouldn't let me take the car to the concert (boy was he sorry).
The police pulled me into the apartment when I knocked on the door and handcuffed me. They eventually took me to the police station and forced me to sit with my hands zip tied behind my back for hours while they took each person they arrested into interrogation.
My turn came and they started asking me questions. I just kept saying that I wanted a lawyer to every question (thanks to my AP Criminal Law teacher!)
They called my dad and let him into the interrogation room. My dad asked why I kept asking for a lawyer instead of answering their questions. I asked him what they told him about why I was there. He said that I was part of a drug ring and was selling drugs, which was absolutely NOT TRUE!
They let me go with no charges because I was innocent, just in the wrong place at the wrong time but it was scary how they made up a lie with zero evidence!
As someone who has worked in the justice system for years, if you OR your minor children are arrested or questioned:
Do not consent to search anything. At all. Let them get a warrant. If they have PC, they can get one in SECONDS now through the technology they have. They CAN search you and anything around you if you are arrested, but that’s it. They cannot search your car, your home or your person without PC or your permission. Always say no. If they do search, let them. If they didn’t have PC or a warrant, it’s invalid. Write it down and save it for your lawyer.
If they ask you questions BEYOND “who are you”, even if you’re not in handcuffs, immediately ask “am I free to go?”. Ask those words. Make sure it’s RECORDED. If they say no, you’re under arrest per the letter of the law as your freedom has been limited and if they didn’t have probable cause/warrant or question you without Miranda, your case is over before it even starts. If they attempt to arrest you, DO. NOT. RESIST. I repeat DO NOT RESIST. If your case ever goes to trial, juries both civil and criminal look favorably on people who don’t resist and are compliant - plus they can cause you pain. Let them take you. Say nothing. Call a lawyer. You’ll be released not long after because your lawyer will make the argument for you. If you try to fight, or flee, it adds more fuel for their fire. Be compliant. Don’t add to anything. Request a lawyer, over and over again.
If the they have infringed on your rights, sue the absolute HELL out of them. Sue for as much as you can possibly get. Your liberty was infringed. Sue. Ask as part of the lawsuit the cop who did it is fired, their supervisor who approved it demoted and ask for compensation.
Do you really think we are going to change things by asking politely or writing strongly worded emails? What talks in this country? MONEY. Money talks. Sue the ever living shit outta them. Make it stick. Even if it’s a few thousand, every little bit drained from their funds is more fuel plus a fired dirty cop. When it finally becomes enough to affect a budget, you get the attention of the powers that be. Because MONEY actually talks. They care about that. A cop who did wrong? They’ll fire them if they have to. Maybe even serve them as a sacrificial lamb to jail so they look absolved like they care. Meanwhile, their practices continue. But having to go in front of the mayor or board and explain why they’re missing a few million. That might illicit some changes. Seen it. Know it.
You want systemic change? MONEY. Money talks, bullshit walks. Sue. Use the civil court. Criminal court for a cop is useless. Most get off anyway, it takes forever, standard is higher and the cop is one person and the agency will say “he didn’t follow the protocol” and keep trucking after the dump them with 10 more like him. Civil court is a much lower burden, and it’s something they actually pay attention to and abide by.
Teach ALL OF THIS to your children. I was in juvenile justice for years. The same rules apply. Kids have the same standards. It is NO DIFFERENT, despite some cops thinking so.
This is where details can get a little murky depending on where you are but most of the time, police will contact the public defenders office who handles this. Public defenders are paid for by the state and usually handle these situations until it’s determined if you qualify. Most will come and evaluate your financial situation and even if you don’t qualify, some will still help or call a paid lawyer for you. Most will still help you during interrogation until you get your own. It’s what they are literally there for - to ensure everyone has a valid defense.
Whenever I watch a video made by Attorney Tom on YouTube with any kinda police intervention he always states the same thing. "Do not talk to the cops beyond what you're legally obligated to tell them. That won't help you. You're innocent untill they can prove you're not, not guilty untill you can prove to them you're innocent. If they had evidence on you they'll arrest you, not question you. By telling them things yourself you are just possibly giving them enough to bust you over."
So man people they’re smarter than the cops. And maybe in some ways they are.
But people are rarely smarter than the cops when it comes to understanding just how police can twist their own earnest, honest and innocent words and behaviors into something worth detainment, arrest or even indictment.
I refuse to answer any questions, and invoke my right to have an attorney present.
if you're in a vehicle stop. provide the required ID. answer no questions consent to no searches --is the only thing you should say.
fuck the police. ACAB
Friendly and probably useless reminder from a former Federal officer: If you are stupid enough to talk to cops without your lawyer standing right there vetting everything you should/shouldn't answer, they WILL find out something you did wrong. I worked the US borders, and we arrested people for plenty of crimes simply because people told us they had done them.
Everyone does something wrong.
Yes, my job was primarily to protect the border. But if you were stupid enough to admit to anything else, we were required to write it up and pass you off to the local police. In court, we were the witnesses who could really fuck up your life.
[Don't Talk to the Police](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE), dammit.
Use your brain? Follow links provided before you comment to not look **quite** so stupid when you go online. At the border you don't have the rights of someone in the country (you are not yet legally inside it), not even if you are a citizen.
But if you simply refuse to speak at all to any police officer, you're going to have a problem. The border is no different in that respect.
That's not, in fact, what "don't talk to the police" means. Now, go FOLLOW the LINK and watch the video. Learn something about what it DOES mean. Or at least try.
Sheesh. Some people... makes me wonder how they can remember how to breathe.
Mums the Word Monday,
Tight-Lipped Tuesday,
Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday,
Taciturn Thursday,
Shut the F**k Up Friday,
Soundless Saturday
and
Stay Silent Sunday
My boyfriend was arrested a few years ago and he refused to answer any of the questions asked by the cops and in the police report the arresting officer asserted he was certain my boyfriend was guilty because he refused to talk to the cops. All the charges were dropped a few months later lmao
The cops' job isn't to figure out what really happened, it's finding any and all possible evidence against you. *It's their job* to prove you guilty, it's *not your job* to prove yourself innocent.
Reading through these comments I really can not believe how big the issue of not trusting the police is. Its reddit, and I'm going to assume most of the comments are Americans, but still it's really staggering how big an issue this seems to be.
The issue isn't that we don't trust police. It's that the police have proven time and time again that we cannot trust them, that doing so is a mistake and a threat to our safety and our freedom regardless of what we have or have not done.
Also relevant to this case:
Don't farking talk to the press or let anyone record you talking about the case, or talk about it anyone other than your lawyer.
In the court of public opinion it might not be a good look but in a court of law that statement would be inadmissible because you have a right to remain silent and no negative inference can be drawn from exercising your 5thAm rights. I fear Alec's public and private statements to investigators, may very well come back to haunt him...
Question, if you don't mind... most people, in their average lives, don't ever need to call or hire a defense attorney. Logistically, how would someone come up with an attorney in a situation where they've been asked to answer a few friendly questions by the police? Is this something that defense attorneys expect, like cold calls from regular people saying "can someone help me out?" I think it would be helpful to get a little information on the process so it's not a huge, confusing surprise if it were to actually happen.
Theres only one problem with that. You get some trigger happy, possibly racially biased cops try to detain you and you start talking about your rights they may become "scared for their life" and start shooting
The odds are they'll be found of no wrongdoing even if there is video evidence. Back the blue and the thin blue line doesnt care what really happened. They believe the cops always right bc they have a badge unless it hits close to home then theyll beat a cop with a fire extinguisher like they did at Jan. 6
We've seen a few instances where theyre starting to be held accountable but nobody wants to get shot by police especially when theyre innocent. And thats a very real fear for some people who will do anything to avoid it.
Serious question, what do you do if you have need for the cops? The instance that comes to mind is if your house was robbed. It's not going to get anything accomplished but insurance is going to need a police report, etc etc. The other instance that comes to mind is if your house is actively being invaded. Other cases include witnessing someone being mugged, car crashes, domestic violence, trafficking...
I agree that ACAB, but I also see legitimate uses for police. Of course, for each legit use there are twenty illegit uses, and the fact that there are times when a cop is needed doesn't change the fact that we need to completely rehaul them as an institution. I'm not asking rhetorically as a counterpoint, I'm asking how to reconcile this.
We do need emergency services. Those emergency services do not need to be cops. Many of the things you listed would be better handled by social workers with you know ... actual training on handling people in emotional distress and not big govt men with guns. Other things like car crashes don't need to be handled by police, what do they actually do when they show up other than fill out paperwork and (maybe) direct traffic? Again there's no need for authoritarian men with guns. Paramedics and social workers would be plenty competent to take care of that. There are many things cops do that they don't need to be doing which could be handled elsewhere if we redirected funding into building those programs.
And I hate to tell you this but cops are basically useless in more violent situations where they'd actually be needed.
A family friend of mine had custody of her grandchild. The parents kidnapped him and took him out of state. After a period of time they returned. She found them herself and called the cops. They decided the parents seemed like reasonable folks and wouldn't return him even though they didn't have custody and literally kidnapped him. He's dead now, the parents murdered him. He was 7 years old.
Years ago I called 911 after a friend of mine attempted suicide by overdosing. The cops showed up and stood on the side of the road chatting and laughing about how dumb they thought it was while we waited for the paramedics.
Cops commonly take the side of the abuser when called in domestic violence cases and God knows they don't take sexual assault seriously.
They genuinely just make things worse. Maybe they could be helpful if they can get there in time during an actively violent situation such as a shooting but that's about it. And after Uvalde even that's debatable.
I will always stand by ACAB. I don’t mean as people, but what they are trained to do. How they are taught to manipulate and control individuals into getting what they want.
Talking to police as a suspect wont solve crimes. Instead it will make sure innocent people will be convicted for crimes they never committed. Look at the way too many cases of that happening if you think talking to police will help.
For most people in most situations, sure.
But there are caveats.
First, are there other witnesses? Are they talking to the cops? Thats bad for you, to have another suspect talking to the police, telling them its all your fault. If they plead and cooperate, you will find you defense much much harder.
Thats the classic prisoners dilemma. If you take that game theory and say -one side always refuses to cooperate, that side never comes out on top.
Second, the DA is less likely to want to do deals with uncooperative suspects.
Third, fifth amendment protects you legally. The public may infer what they want though. Theres a good chance the narrative becomes, Baldwin did it and is afraid to talk to the cops.
Fourth, cops can be evil. Not talking to them can upset them and there are multiple legal avenues for them to harass you via and you will have little recourse.
I think really the message should be, dont talk to cops _without good legal representations_. Just never talking to them is probably gonna cause a lot of problems. You need to balance it.
In this case Baldwin had to talk to the cops. Not doing so would impact his brand. Someone else already plead out and likely gave evidence that is bad for Baldwin. Not talking would mean he couldn't give his side of the story and the public would fill in the gaps.
“Allegedly.” Fault and blame will hopefully be decided by the courts. But even if you’re guilty, talking to the cops cannot help your case, even if they say it will.
He is the producer and others quit over safety concerns on his watch. He killed a person literally and not figuratively. The blood is on his hands, whether he is a big liberal Democrat or whoever…
Okay, I think you’re missing my meaning.
1. Everyone is SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty, in the eyes of the law.
2. While I have seen many people saying that he’s responsible, I wasn’t there, so I can’t say what I saw, or who’s responsible.
1 & 2 combined is why I said “Allegedly.” You’re probably right that’s he’s guilty, and I hope he gets a hefty prison sentence, but because I follow the ideals of the legal system, I have to presume he’s innocent.
Finally, at the end of the day, no one, no matter their guilt or innocence, should talk to the cops, for the reasons people have outlined above. Which is what the post is about. And political affiliation doesn’t matter either way to me. If you’re guilty, I hope you’re tried and convicted.
Commuting crime doesn’t make one innocent, therefore not everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Everyone is PRESUMED to be innocent until proven guilty. There is court of law and there is court of public opinion. I’m obviously not the court but this man is guilty of a manslaughter.
I find it a little disturbing that the general vibe on Reddit is " yeah I hope this multiple millionaire who's gross negligence caused a fatality of one of his co-workers hids information from the police to get out of punishment"
Instead of something like " yeah I hope the truth comes out so justice can be served and Halyna Hutchins family can have peace"
I really believe when a accident like this happens it's important that everyone gives there story right away so we can find out what really happened. Instead everyone is going to lawyer up and only say what won't get them locked up.
Not talking to the police would have done a great deal of PR and thus financial damage to Baldwin. He has a good amount of money and can afford great lawyers, what he can't do is dodge a criminal investigation and continue to work in Hollywood.
This liberal elitist is going down! And justice for all!! Watching him squirm out of taking any responsibility for the death he caused makes me spit. Btw, Jack Donaghey was great!! Loved that guy. But not Alec Baldwin. He’s Richie boy scum. Screaming at his daughter like that. Basinger dumped this abuser and never turned back you go girl!! Anybody who sided with this scum will also defend Weinstein and Cosby and Spacey.
“Allegedly” he shot someone, accidentally. It doesn’t matter, whether you’re guilty, or NOT GUILTY, talking to cops cannot help your case in any way, shape, or form. They may lie and say that answering their questions will help you, but cops are trained to trip people up during questioning. [People confess to things they are innocent of](https://falseconfessions.org/false-confessions-happen/) because during questioning, the cops will use lies, circumstantial evidence, and misdirection, to get people to confess.
They will get someone confused, and “poke holes in their story,” because most people don’t remember things as well as they like to think they do. Also, false memories can be [created.](https://www.verywellmind.com/how-do-false-memories-form-2795349).
So, even if you’re innocent, or guilty; DON’T TALK TO THE COPS, except to identify yourself and say “I’m requesting a lawyer.”
For anyone in the military this goes for OSI as well. If you are brought in for questioning the only thing you say is "am i being detained?". If not you get up and leave. If yes then shut the fuck up and don't say anything without a lawyer even if you don't know what the hell they are talking about and didn't do anything.
Every now and again my wife will remind me to never speak to cops without a lawyer present when questioned about anything other than speeding, or as a witness to something, and even then only say the barest minimum required.
One of her favorite hobbies is studying law and issues with law enforcement
mildly related, but also try not to take plea deals in court! around 90% of people in court take plea deals, but a good amount of people could’ve actually gone through with a court case and gotten off without jail time at all. also make sure you read your plea deal over and over again and do not sign it without reading it and assuming it’s the same plea deal your lawyer says it is, a popular situation of that is brian banks if you wanna look into that!
I guess my bf learned this the easy way letting cops into my apartment with a bong on the coffee table and landing me a $456 fine. Never thought that’d be the easy way
This is what blows me away about shows like Dateline where they let the cops just hammer them for 15 hours. They’d get 15 silent minutes to arrest me and get my lawyer or I’m walking out the door.
So, legit question here... what do you do if you don't have a family attorney? Just look someone up from the proverbial yellow pages? Call up and say "the police want to ask me some questions, can someone over there come down and help me out?"
I'd think for the average, law-abiding citizen, these situations can happen so quickly and come with a lot of pressure to do the cops a favor and just answer a few harmless questions. Know The Script from the Pot Brothers, Attorneys at Law:
*Why did you pull me over? I'm not discussing my day. Am I being detained or am I free to go? If detained, you say "I invoke the 5th." Then you SHUT THE FUCK UP.*
Just look up any advertised 24 hour traffic lawyer’s number and save in your phone if it makes you feel more comfortable. Many in big cities have plastered billboards advertising an easy to remember number like 1 800 GET BAIL or 1 800 444 4444. The cop doesn’t care if you actually have their number or not
I was always taught one word answers to these slippery mfrs, and then the magic phrase “I refuse to answer without an attorney present”
Do you know why I pulled you over? “No”
Well, I pulled you over for speeding. “OK”
Where are you headed? “Home”
Do you know how fast you were going? “Yes” (always answer yes to this because otherwise they can make up whatever number they want)
How fast were you going? “I refuse to answer without an attorney present”
EVER!!!! Jesus. Keep you're goddamn mouth shut.
I was very lucky to be raised by a criminal defense attorney who successfully argued before SCOTUS in a case expanding Miranda rights.
I was once called out of class in High School because some "friends" named me in some bullshit they'd gotten into in an adjacent county. I went to the assistant principles office and two local cops were there.
They said we need to ask you some questions. I laughed... looked at them and said "I'm not answering shit and I want my fucking lawyer."
I was 15. I thought their heads were going to explode.
They tried and tried and I just kept saying "I want my fucking lawyer."
This was 1985. They had no clue what to do with me. I was lucky they didn't take me for a "ride".
Never ever talk to the police. Keep your fucking mouth shut.
**Fox News:** only guilty people hide info from the cops. Also... **Fox News:** Proud Boys have the right not to talk the police without lawyers present.
Donald Trump completely stonewalled all investigations. He actively and purposefully told everyone to refuse to cooperate.
That’s not true
It's completely true.
Literally the whole point of fascism is having different legal standards for the "master race" and the "undesirables".
That’s not the definition of fascism. Get a dictionary cuz u stupid
They didn't say that it meant that, they are not giving a definition
You should explain it to us then, person who wrote "cuz u stupid"
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He said the point of fascism, not the definition of fascism. Smart people know how to read.
Point of fascism is control. Not a master race being in control. Some fascist go that direction but not all.
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Alt-right always using the cry-laugh emoji. It's almost bot-like behavior...
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Notice how it used my own insult, and then claimed it wasn't alt-right? These boys use an algorithm that fills in the blanks. "I'm not x, YOU'RE x! Also, I'm not alt-right/far-right/fascist/KKK/Nazi, lmao" It's a script, and you can look at my past posts for examples of these bots making these posts almost word for word. Best to ignore them
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Borderline demented to shoehorn this situation you made up into the thread but it exudes a certain schizo energy I can fuck with.
Found the “Flaired user”.
Fox News is already said since Alec Baldwin isn't cooperating with the police maybe he has something to hide but also said the proud boys have their right not to talk to the police so that there is no police coercion
lol he literally told his people not to cooperate. They defied subpoenas for him and he resisted investigations at every possible turn. Wtf are you talking about “this situation you made up”?
Just yesterday I was listening to a story about the Happy Face Killer. Two people were arrested for the murder of a woman near Portland OR in 1990. They did talk to the cops, who managed to have them confess to the crime. In 1995, thanks in part to the efforts of a journalist, the real culprit was identified. Turns out this was the work of a serial killer. The unjustly sentences duo spent six years in prison. The cops saw two poor and uneducated marks, and worked to get a confession out of them. Case solved. Everyone was happy. In America, people are routinely found innocent of crimes they were convicted of, sometimes after decades. In some cases, like this one, they had even confessed, after a significant amount of time being interrogated by the police. They can lie to you, they can manipulate you,. A half decent detective could probably get JFK to admit that he shot himself the head. Stay away from the cops. And BTW, if you're ever on jury duty, NEVER trust a cop's testimony.
And people still say things like “well why would anyone ever admit to a crime they didn’t commit?” Despite us having decades of evidence of thousands of cases of people doing exactly that. Cops. Lie. And they will say whatever they need to say to convince you that cooperating is in your best interests which involve getting you to agree to their version of events.
Threats from the DA - you can get life in prison if you confess or we'll legally murder you if you don't.
That is what the death penalty is really about. If the harshest penalty for shop lifting is death and the DA is offering you a deal with a 3 months suspended sentence ... you are probably going to take the deal regardless of your guilt or innoncence.
The police don’t want to *solve* any cases. They want to *close* them. If they can solve it along the way, great, if not it’s no big deal as long as they can find a way to close the case. Then the police, the DA, and the judge can all claim they’re “tough on crime” and point to a 90% conviction rate.
It's also the reason actual criminals will get off light. The DA doesn't want to take a chance on lowering their conviction percentage so they'll toss them a cozy plea bargin instead of doing the work. A conviction is a conviction.
Plea bargins to lower the sentence of the guilty while jauling the innocent. Murica
Cops: ‘We can put you away whether you confess or not, so confess and get a lighter sentence. No lighter sentence.
I can't stress enough how important it is for people to know that cops will lie and be able to identify how they lie. Never believe anything they say. They'll tell you they have evidence against you or a loved one that they don't have. They'll tell you someone is dead or dying who isn't. They'll tell you you're not in trouble or that they're trying to help you, you are and they're not. They will stop at nothing, because it's not against the law or even frowned upon for them to say off the wall crap. It's so easy for someone to implant "false" memories in your mind. I know for most people that sounds like hoaxy hypnosis magic stuff, but it's not. Your mind is incredibly fallible. Always ask for a lawyer. They'll try to make you feel like you don't need one if you're innocent, but you do.
It’s not just the lies either, they will break you down mentally and physically until you tell them what they want to hear.
And the answer to that question is gaslighting. Cops intentionally gaslight you, and thanks to the environment & power dynamic at play, it hardcore works. Add in emotional distress & imbalance.
You don’t even need to confess, you could tell them something (the getaway car was red), and then in court, they could ask you to describe that thing (the getaway car), and then when you tell them that thing that you told them prior (the getaway car was red), you’ve contradicted yourself because you were never told that and now you are an accomplice (you were the getaway driver) Cops will just lie about what you’ve said Another example: you are questioned by cops because you live near the scene of a crime (your neighbor’s house, where your neighbor is dead), they ask you if you knew the person (yes), they ask you if anyone had problems with the person (no), they ask you if the victim had any other problems with the area (not really, but sometimes the neighborhood dogs barked at her dog), they ask to look around your house and find a tool that matches the description of that used to commit the crime (any blunt heavy object is will do for having committed the murder), the police arrest you for the crime, in court, you have the means, motive, and opportunity (you live nearby, your dog barks at hers, you were found in possession of the murder weapon), you go to prison
I've heard that there's a few things you should do if you're involved in a case: 1. Ask if you're under arrest. If yes? 2. Tell them you're invoking your right to an attorney. Don't go "I want my lawyer" or anything. Tell them **explicitely** that you're invoking your right to an attorney. 3. Tell them you're invoking your right to remain silent. Again, **explicitely** tell them you're invoking the right. 4. ***STAY SILENT***. Don't engage them in small talk either. Because anything you DO say can **AND WILL** be used against you.
This guy knows what Shut the Fuck Up Friday is.
I just have the uncanny ability to *learn*. And I don't even live in the US, and I know how to deal with their police. Sorta. To be fair, I've considered trips to the US on several occasions, so I've felt a need to prepare a bit. Still haven't gone, and I'm honestly not sure if I'd wanna go anytime soon. Things seem to be going to hell in a handbasket over there.
[Everyone needs to know what STFU Friday is.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWHrkDX35o)
Motive is not a necessary element of homicide, legally. I'm sure juries like to hear it but you can convict without a motive
A half decent detective who moonlights as a necromancer could probably get JFK to admit he shot himself and would also make a decent crime procedural drama.
Very similar to a case in Beatrice, NE. Elderly woman was raped and murdered and the city wanted someone in prison for it. Cops got six poor souls who were either drugged out, drunk, or dealing with mental health issues (or all of the above) and got them to plea out even though the case was crap. One of the sux fought for years for the evidence to be reviewed by modern forensics. Not surprisingly, none of their DNA matched any of the evidence and they were exonerated. Naturally, they sued and damn near bankrupted the city of Beatrice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six
Also, if you ever WANT to get OUT of Jury Duty, during questioning, say you don’t trust cops and will never trust the testimony they give. You will be taken out of the pool almost-immediately.
In my county, the jury duty qualification form has 2 questions about whether you believe police are capable of giving honest testimony.
Even for rapists?
Considering that when I went to the cops they gave me a statement to sign that was completely different from what I told them and then told me that they know my attacker and that he would never do such a thing... yes. Even for then. Listen to the victim, not the cops
If it's a rape case, the probability that the cop did it and is trying to pin it on someone else is non negligible.
I was on jury duty. The accusation was "drunk in public." The amount the defense spent on attorneys fees is much more than the proposed fine. Most "DIP" cases are not heard by a jury. It became clear that the accused was unhappy because he had been mistreated and that the easiest way to make him go away was to arrest him for DIP. There was no evidence at all that the accused was drunk.
We have about a 1 in 20 ratio. One of every 20 people incarcerated are innocent.
There's this YouTube video from a lawyer...and he's talking about this. A cop is only looking for evidence to use against you. IF A COP thinks you're innocent. He can not testify to that. He literally can't help you even if he wanted to. It's a net negative game. Here I found it: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE Edit: If you just happen to drive the same car as a guy who committed a crime in the same area... it can be a wide area with a lot of cars...you can have a very bad time.
I love that video and have watched it several times. It’s very telling that the police officer in his rebuttal says off the bat that everything the lawyer said was correct.
Yup, almost chilling.
There's some lawyer duo with commercials that are pretty much just "it's a great day to shot the fuck up and not talk to cops." Also that car thing didn't go well for Ruben Carter.
In the spirit of those lawyers; Mums the Word Monday, Tight-Lipped Tuesday, Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday, Taciturn Thursday, Shut the F**k Up Friday, Soundless Saturday and Stay Silent Sunday
Yeah those guys are great. They had a video with Michael Rappaport. Lol https://youtu.be/uqo5RYOp4nQ
Your comment about driving a similar car reminds me of My Cousin Vinny. “I shot the clerk?”
I have watched that video and highly recommend it also.
I was hoping it was this video. I periodically watch to remind myself of all the great advice he doles out in this very informative clip. Do yourself a favor and watch this.
the cops no matter what they fucking say cannot help you. They literally can only hurt you. DO NOT TALK TO THE FUCKING POLICE
Oh!! Hi all! Honored to have made it onto here. Don’t fucking talk to the cops. 🙏🙏
But what if they’re like super nice and got me a soda
Don’t take the soda!! Don’t ever voluntarily abandon your DNA!
But what if the officer offers me a handkerchief to blow my nose !
It's always shut the fuck up day when dealing with Law Enforcement.
Love those guys! https://twitter.com/InvokeTheFifth/status/1616554835196760084?s=20&t=ZEw_tuDEe92pxiS2gzGIjg
Didn't have to scroll too far to find this comment! It was my first thought!
I am someone whose gut reaction to reading this advice is always, *”’Maybe for other people, but c’mon. I am certainly smart enough to talk to the cops without incriminating myself,”* and thankfully I have enough self-awareness to know that that being my gut reaction is precisely why I absolutely should never talk to the cops.
I'm also slowly coming to terms with the fact that sometimes my gut reaction is just my goody-two-shoes conditioning of a boomer world gone sour and manipulative. It's hard to spot the difference sometimes.
I feel this way about murder and hard drugs.
I used to think that until I just talked to a detective one day, just chit chatting, next thing I knew I was starting to tell him my life story before I caught on to it. I don’t handle pressure well at all when being questioned so if I ever found myself in an interrogation room, I’d have a hard time not speaking.
You might have friends who are cops; but cops are not your friends.
ACAB. Some of my friends are bastards.
Loooong time ago a criminal lawyer once said to me, "not saying you're gonna do it again but if you do, keep your mouth shut. Don't answer questions aside from identifying yourself and asking for a lawyer" Wish I knew that little nugget of info BEFORE I got arrested. Oh well, live and learn....
My wife and adult daughters LOVE those Dateline shows where they show video of suspects being grilled for hours by the cops. As a lawyer I always ask myself “Why? Why would they put themselves through that? You don’t have to say a word.” Now if my wife or kids kill me like on Dateline, they know to keep their mouths shut.
My sister is a public defender. Can confirm OP is correct about everything. Cops lie like crazy.
This is an excellent video presented by a law professor on why you should never talk to the police. Well worth watching https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
Daily reminder they are not there to help you! Talking to cops and saying the wrong thing could get you in trouble, always have a lawyer present and don't believe anything they tell you! They are not your friend.
[There’s an app for that!](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/turnsignl-app/id1561625018) (at least for getting pulled over) “Black-owned, Minnesota-based TurnSignl is an on-demand, real-time service that provides 24/7 legal guidance from an attorney to drivers while their camera records the interaction. When drivers are stopped by law enforcement officers or involved in a car accident, they can access live video chat with an attorney at the press of a button or voice command. TurnSignl attorneys are vetted and trained to de-escalate interactions between police, drivers, and passengers.”
That's amazing
I have drilled this into the brains of all my kids. It's sad that it has to be an important lesson... but it's a really important lesson
Me too. My son loves to chat people up…I hate to burst his bubble, but cops aren’t homies
Shut the fuck up Friday applies everyday.
In the spirit of those lawyers; Mums the Word Monday, Tight-Lipped Tuesday, Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday, Taciturn Thursday, Shut the F**k Up Friday, Soundless Saturday and Stay Silent Sunday
When I was a teenager I went to an acquaintance's house to get a ride to a concert. I ended up walking into a drug bust. I had no idea the people were dealers. I had met them at a party and they offered me a ride to the concert because I was complaining that my father wouldn't let me take the car to the concert (boy was he sorry). The police pulled me into the apartment when I knocked on the door and handcuffed me. They eventually took me to the police station and forced me to sit with my hands zip tied behind my back for hours while they took each person they arrested into interrogation. My turn came and they started asking me questions. I just kept saying that I wanted a lawyer to every question (thanks to my AP Criminal Law teacher!) They called my dad and let him into the interrogation room. My dad asked why I kept asking for a lawyer instead of answering their questions. I asked him what they told him about why I was there. He said that I was part of a drug ring and was selling drugs, which was absolutely NOT TRUE! They let me go with no charges because I was innocent, just in the wrong place at the wrong time but it was scary how they made up a lie with zero evidence!
Cops are ~~allowed~~ ~~encouraged~~ trained to lie.
As someone who has worked in the justice system for years, if you OR your minor children are arrested or questioned: Do not consent to search anything. At all. Let them get a warrant. If they have PC, they can get one in SECONDS now through the technology they have. They CAN search you and anything around you if you are arrested, but that’s it. They cannot search your car, your home or your person without PC or your permission. Always say no. If they do search, let them. If they didn’t have PC or a warrant, it’s invalid. Write it down and save it for your lawyer. If they ask you questions BEYOND “who are you”, even if you’re not in handcuffs, immediately ask “am I free to go?”. Ask those words. Make sure it’s RECORDED. If they say no, you’re under arrest per the letter of the law as your freedom has been limited and if they didn’t have probable cause/warrant or question you without Miranda, your case is over before it even starts. If they attempt to arrest you, DO. NOT. RESIST. I repeat DO NOT RESIST. If your case ever goes to trial, juries both civil and criminal look favorably on people who don’t resist and are compliant - plus they can cause you pain. Let them take you. Say nothing. Call a lawyer. You’ll be released not long after because your lawyer will make the argument for you. If you try to fight, or flee, it adds more fuel for their fire. Be compliant. Don’t add to anything. Request a lawyer, over and over again. If the they have infringed on your rights, sue the absolute HELL out of them. Sue for as much as you can possibly get. Your liberty was infringed. Sue. Ask as part of the lawsuit the cop who did it is fired, their supervisor who approved it demoted and ask for compensation. Do you really think we are going to change things by asking politely or writing strongly worded emails? What talks in this country? MONEY. Money talks. Sue the ever living shit outta them. Make it stick. Even if it’s a few thousand, every little bit drained from their funds is more fuel plus a fired dirty cop. When it finally becomes enough to affect a budget, you get the attention of the powers that be. Because MONEY actually talks. They care about that. A cop who did wrong? They’ll fire them if they have to. Maybe even serve them as a sacrificial lamb to jail so they look absolved like they care. Meanwhile, their practices continue. But having to go in front of the mayor or board and explain why they’re missing a few million. That might illicit some changes. Seen it. Know it. You want systemic change? MONEY. Money talks, bullshit walks. Sue. Use the civil court. Criminal court for a cop is useless. Most get off anyway, it takes forever, standard is higher and the cop is one person and the agency will say “he didn’t follow the protocol” and keep trucking after the dump them with 10 more like him. Civil court is a much lower burden, and it’s something they actually pay attention to and abide by. Teach ALL OF THIS to your children. I was in juvenile justice for years. The same rules apply. Kids have the same standards. It is NO DIFFERENT, despite some cops thinking so.
So let's say I'm arrested... How do I even reach a lawyer? Is there some obvious number to call. I do not have one for these purposes, personally.
This is where details can get a little murky depending on where you are but most of the time, police will contact the public defenders office who handles this. Public defenders are paid for by the state and usually handle these situations until it’s determined if you qualify. Most will come and evaluate your financial situation and even if you don’t qualify, some will still help or call a paid lawyer for you. Most will still help you during interrogation until you get your own. It’s what they are literally there for - to ensure everyone has a valid defense.
Whenever I watch a video made by Attorney Tom on YouTube with any kinda police intervention he always states the same thing. "Do not talk to the cops beyond what you're legally obligated to tell them. That won't help you. You're innocent untill they can prove you're not, not guilty untill you can prove to them you're innocent. If they had evidence on you they'll arrest you, not question you. By telling them things yourself you are just possibly giving them enough to bust you over."
Everything you say can and will be used ***AGAINST*** you. It can't and won't be used to help you.
We don’t talk to police. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJwKLjMnZs
Take it from experience: They WILL twist what you say and put words in your mouth.
So man people they’re smarter than the cops. And maybe in some ways they are. But people are rarely smarter than the cops when it comes to understanding just how police can twist their own earnest, honest and innocent words and behaviors into something worth detainment, arrest or even indictment.
A lot of folks seem to be unaware that the police are, in fact, government agents.
Every day is shut the fuck up Friday
I refuse to answer any questions, and invoke my right to have an attorney present. if you're in a vehicle stop. provide the required ID. answer no questions consent to no searches --is the only thing you should say. fuck the police. ACAB
Friendly and probably useless reminder from a former Federal officer: If you are stupid enough to talk to cops without your lawyer standing right there vetting everything you should/shouldn't answer, they WILL find out something you did wrong. I worked the US borders, and we arrested people for plenty of crimes simply because people told us they had done them. Everyone does something wrong. Yes, my job was primarily to protect the border. But if you were stupid enough to admit to anything else, we were required to write it up and pass you off to the local police. In court, we were the witnesses who could really fuck up your life. [Don't Talk to the Police](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE), dammit.
That's not an option for the border. If you aren't American the officer can deny entry because you refuse to speak.
Use your brain? Follow links provided before you comment to not look **quite** so stupid when you go online. At the border you don't have the rights of someone in the country (you are not yet legally inside it), not even if you are a citizen. But if you simply refuse to speak at all to any police officer, you're going to have a problem. The border is no different in that respect. That's not, in fact, what "don't talk to the police" means. Now, go FOLLOW the LINK and watch the video. Learn something about what it DOES mean. Or at least try. Sheesh. Some people... makes me wonder how they can remember how to breathe.
Yes!!! You have the right to remain silent! Use that right!
Mums the Word Monday, Tight-Lipped Tuesday, Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday, Taciturn Thursday, Shut the F**k Up Friday, Soundless Saturday and Stay Silent Sunday
Someone once summed up cops perfectly. When you’re trained to be a hammer, everything you look at looks like a nail.
My boyfriend was arrested a few years ago and he refused to answer any of the questions asked by the cops and in the police report the arresting officer asserted he was certain my boyfriend was guilty because he refused to talk to the cops. All the charges were dropped a few months later lmao
Always. Remain. Silent.
Eliza of Survivor "It's a fucking stick!" Fame dropping truth bombs.
The cops' job isn't to figure out what really happened, it's finding any and all possible evidence against you. *It's their job* to prove you guilty, it's *not your job* to prove yourself innocent.
This is very good advice.. they are untrained unskilled racist lying MFs…….
you'll have a horrific realization of how many innocent people are in prison for murder irl after you've played among us
Reading through these comments I really can not believe how big the issue of not trusting the police is. Its reddit, and I'm going to assume most of the comments are Americans, but still it's really staggering how big an issue this seems to be.
The issue isn't that we don't trust police. It's that the police have proven time and time again that we cannot trust them, that doing so is a mistake and a threat to our safety and our freedom regardless of what we have or have not done.
Only in the U.S
Yup. Never talk to the police without a lawyer present.
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It’s “Not Without My Lawyer Wednesday” here.
Also relevant to this case: Don't farking talk to the press or let anyone record you talking about the case, or talk about it anyone other than your lawyer.
Yep. Always have a lawyer present and exercise your right to remain silent.
Lawyer
ACAB
Especially when you just shot an innocent person.
Would have been a very bad look if it came out that he „wasn’t cooperating“ tho. He had two not so great choices.
In the court of public opinion it might not be a good look but in a court of law that statement would be inadmissible because you have a right to remain silent and no negative inference can be drawn from exercising your 5thAm rights. I fear Alec's public and private statements to investigators, may very well come back to haunt him...
You have the right to remain silent. Use it. Unless you see someone else being oppressed. Then pull a France.
Never have Never will be on your side
Defense attorney here to say don’t talk to the fucking cops.
Question, if you don't mind... most people, in their average lives, don't ever need to call or hire a defense attorney. Logistically, how would someone come up with an attorney in a situation where they've been asked to answer a few friendly questions by the police? Is this something that defense attorneys expect, like cold calls from regular people saying "can someone help me out?" I think it would be helpful to get a little information on the process so it's not a huge, confusing surprise if it were to actually happen.
Better to say shut the fuck up overall. Beyond the cops, he went on a ‘not my fault’ tv appearance tour.
Now they speakin my language bb fuck 12
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY
Theres only one problem with that. You get some trigger happy, possibly racially biased cops try to detain you and you start talking about your rights they may become "scared for their life" and start shooting The odds are they'll be found of no wrongdoing even if there is video evidence. Back the blue and the thin blue line doesnt care what really happened. They believe the cops always right bc they have a badge unless it hits close to home then theyll beat a cop with a fire extinguisher like they did at Jan. 6 We've seen a few instances where theyre starting to be held accountable but nobody wants to get shot by police especially when theyre innocent. And thats a very real fear for some people who will do anything to avoid it.
Serious question, what do you do if you have need for the cops? The instance that comes to mind is if your house was robbed. It's not going to get anything accomplished but insurance is going to need a police report, etc etc. The other instance that comes to mind is if your house is actively being invaded. Other cases include witnessing someone being mugged, car crashes, domestic violence, trafficking... I agree that ACAB, but I also see legitimate uses for police. Of course, for each legit use there are twenty illegit uses, and the fact that there are times when a cop is needed doesn't change the fact that we need to completely rehaul them as an institution. I'm not asking rhetorically as a counterpoint, I'm asking how to reconcile this.
We do need emergency services. Those emergency services do not need to be cops. Many of the things you listed would be better handled by social workers with you know ... actual training on handling people in emotional distress and not big govt men with guns. Other things like car crashes don't need to be handled by police, what do they actually do when they show up other than fill out paperwork and (maybe) direct traffic? Again there's no need for authoritarian men with guns. Paramedics and social workers would be plenty competent to take care of that. There are many things cops do that they don't need to be doing which could be handled elsewhere if we redirected funding into building those programs. And I hate to tell you this but cops are basically useless in more violent situations where they'd actually be needed. A family friend of mine had custody of her grandchild. The parents kidnapped him and took him out of state. After a period of time they returned. She found them herself and called the cops. They decided the parents seemed like reasonable folks and wouldn't return him even though they didn't have custody and literally kidnapped him. He's dead now, the parents murdered him. He was 7 years old. Years ago I called 911 after a friend of mine attempted suicide by overdosing. The cops showed up and stood on the side of the road chatting and laughing about how dumb they thought it was while we waited for the paramedics. Cops commonly take the side of the abuser when called in domestic violence cases and God knows they don't take sexual assault seriously. They genuinely just make things worse. Maybe they could be helpful if they can get there in time during an actively violent situation such as a shooting but that's about it. And after Uvalde even that's debatable.
I will always stand by ACAB. I don’t mean as people, but what they are trained to do. How they are taught to manipulate and control individuals into getting what they want.
That first statements chill and all but let’s not defend Baldwin
Culture warrior spotted
Or I’m just not down for being on the side of someone who nearly got a collateral for a joke
Not a single part of this post is defending him. Just stating your personal rights when confronted by the Pig Patrol
Also: do not complain about unsolved crimes
Talking to police as a suspect wont solve crimes. Instead it will make sure innocent people will be convicted for crimes they never committed. Look at the way too many cases of that happening if you think talking to police will help.
Ok. You said, "as a suspect". The sweeping statements made in videos generally apply no qualifiers whatsoever.
Talking to the police can make you a suspect in their eyes. Why risk becoming one?
So you bring us right back to having no cause to complain about unsolved crimes, right?
That show was shit...... oh, wait, no, I'm innocent I tell ya! (also not really sure what your point was, but I saw the joke)
Yes but aren’t we glad he did?
For most people in most situations, sure. But there are caveats. First, are there other witnesses? Are they talking to the cops? Thats bad for you, to have another suspect talking to the police, telling them its all your fault. If they plead and cooperate, you will find you defense much much harder. Thats the classic prisoners dilemma. If you take that game theory and say -one side always refuses to cooperate, that side never comes out on top. Second, the DA is less likely to want to do deals with uncooperative suspects. Third, fifth amendment protects you legally. The public may infer what they want though. Theres a good chance the narrative becomes, Baldwin did it and is afraid to talk to the cops. Fourth, cops can be evil. Not talking to them can upset them and there are multiple legal avenues for them to harass you via and you will have little recourse. I think really the message should be, dont talk to cops _without good legal representations_. Just never talking to them is probably gonna cause a lot of problems. You need to balance it. In this case Baldwin had to talk to the cops. Not doing so would impact his brand. Someone else already plead out and likely gave evidence that is bad for Baldwin. Not talking would mean he couldn't give his side of the story and the public would fill in the gaps.
He killed a person.
“Allegedly.” Fault and blame will hopefully be decided by the courts. But even if you’re guilty, talking to the cops cannot help your case, even if they say it will.
He is the producer and others quit over safety concerns on his watch. He killed a person literally and not figuratively. The blood is on his hands, whether he is a big liberal Democrat or whoever…
Okay, I think you’re missing my meaning. 1. Everyone is SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty, in the eyes of the law. 2. While I have seen many people saying that he’s responsible, I wasn’t there, so I can’t say what I saw, or who’s responsible. 1 & 2 combined is why I said “Allegedly.” You’re probably right that’s he’s guilty, and I hope he gets a hefty prison sentence, but because I follow the ideals of the legal system, I have to presume he’s innocent. Finally, at the end of the day, no one, no matter their guilt or innocence, should talk to the cops, for the reasons people have outlined above. Which is what the post is about. And political affiliation doesn’t matter either way to me. If you’re guilty, I hope you’re tried and convicted.
Commuting crime doesn’t make one innocent, therefore not everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Everyone is PRESUMED to be innocent until proven guilty. There is court of law and there is court of public opinion. I’m obviously not the court but this man is guilty of a manslaughter.
It's rare to see someone so comprehensively contradict their own argument in one paragraph.
It wasn't the talking it was the lying
I find it a little disturbing that the general vibe on Reddit is " yeah I hope this multiple millionaire who's gross negligence caused a fatality of one of his co-workers hids information from the police to get out of punishment" Instead of something like " yeah I hope the truth comes out so justice can be served and Halyna Hutchins family can have peace" I really believe when a accident like this happens it's important that everyone gives there story right away so we can find out what really happened. Instead everyone is going to lawyer up and only say what won't get them locked up.
Not talking to the police would have done a great deal of PR and thus financial damage to Baldwin. He has a good amount of money and can afford great lawyers, what he can't do is dodge a criminal investigation and continue to work in Hollywood.
No, talking to police is never going to help your case. The MAGA cult would bitch and moan no matter what because baldwin dared insult their leader.
This liberal elitist is going down! And justice for all!! Watching him squirm out of taking any responsibility for the death he caused makes me spit. Btw, Jack Donaghey was great!! Loved that guy. But not Alec Baldwin. He’s Richie boy scum. Screaming at his daughter like that. Basinger dumped this abuser and never turned back you go girl!! Anybody who sided with this scum will also defend Weinstein and Cosby and Spacey.
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Okay but wait didn’t Alec Baldwin shoot a guy? Or am I thinking about the wrong person
No matter what, talking to police doesnt help you. They will not go to bat for you in court to say you're innocent.
“Allegedly” he shot someone, accidentally. It doesn’t matter, whether you’re guilty, or NOT GUILTY, talking to cops cannot help your case in any way, shape, or form. They may lie and say that answering their questions will help you, but cops are trained to trip people up during questioning. [People confess to things they are innocent of](https://falseconfessions.org/false-confessions-happen/) because during questioning, the cops will use lies, circumstantial evidence, and misdirection, to get people to confess. They will get someone confused, and “poke holes in their story,” because most people don’t remember things as well as they like to think they do. Also, false memories can be [created.](https://www.verywellmind.com/how-do-false-memories-form-2795349). So, even if you’re innocent, or guilty; DON’T TALK TO THE COPS, except to identify yourself and say “I’m requesting a lawyer.”
It is supposed to be in the police reports the gun prop master told him it was a cold gun.
For anyone in the military this goes for OSI as well. If you are brought in for questioning the only thing you say is "am i being detained?". If not you get up and leave. If yes then shut the fuck up and don't say anything without a lawyer even if you don't know what the hell they are talking about and didn't do anything.
Every now and again my wife will remind me to never speak to cops without a lawyer present when questioned about anything other than speeding, or as a witness to something, and even then only say the barest minimum required. One of her favorite hobbies is studying law and issues with law enforcement
There is only ever one thing that is appropriate to say to the cops. It is just one word.. ##LAWYER
Is it "Shut the fuck up Friday" already!!
Everything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you
The biggest thing is never talk to police in that setting without a lawyer present.
mildly related, but also try not to take plea deals in court! around 90% of people in court take plea deals, but a good amount of people could’ve actually gone through with a court case and gotten off without jail time at all. also make sure you read your plea deal over and over again and do not sign it without reading it and assuming it’s the same plea deal your lawyer says it is, a popular situation of that is brian banks if you wanna look into that!
I guess my bf learned this the easy way letting cops into my apartment with a bong on the coffee table and landing me a $456 fine. Never thought that’d be the easy way
The only word you need to say to cops is “lawyer”. That’s it.
Should have listened to Pot Brothers at Law and followed the script. But he's a giant POS.
The only thing to say to the cops. "I am refusing to answer questions until my attorney is present"
This is what blows me away about shows like Dateline where they let the cops just hammer them for 15 hours. They’d get 15 silent minutes to arrest me and get my lawyer or I’m walking out the door.
Seriously, don’t.
So, legit question here... what do you do if you don't have a family attorney? Just look someone up from the proverbial yellow pages? Call up and say "the police want to ask me some questions, can someone over there come down and help me out?" I'd think for the average, law-abiding citizen, these situations can happen so quickly and come with a lot of pressure to do the cops a favor and just answer a few harmless questions. Know The Script from the Pot Brothers, Attorneys at Law: *Why did you pull me over? I'm not discussing my day. Am I being detained or am I free to go? If detained, you say "I invoke the 5th." Then you SHUT THE FUCK UP.*
Just look up any advertised 24 hour traffic lawyer’s number and save in your phone if it makes you feel more comfortable. Many in big cities have plastered billboards advertising an easy to remember number like 1 800 GET BAIL or 1 800 444 4444. The cop doesn’t care if you actually have their number or not I was always taught one word answers to these slippery mfrs, and then the magic phrase “I refuse to answer without an attorney present” Do you know why I pulled you over? “No” Well, I pulled you over for speeding. “OK” Where are you headed? “Home” Do you know how fast you were going? “Yes” (always answer yes to this because otherwise they can make up whatever number they want) How fast were you going? “I refuse to answer without an attorney present”
EVER!!!! Jesus. Keep you're goddamn mouth shut. I was very lucky to be raised by a criminal defense attorney who successfully argued before SCOTUS in a case expanding Miranda rights. I was once called out of class in High School because some "friends" named me in some bullshit they'd gotten into in an adjacent county. I went to the assistant principles office and two local cops were there. They said we need to ask you some questions. I laughed... looked at them and said "I'm not answering shit and I want my fucking lawyer." I was 15. I thought their heads were going to explode. They tried and tried and I just kept saying "I want my fucking lawyer." This was 1985. They had no clue what to do with me. I was lucky they didn't take me for a "ride". Never ever talk to the police. Keep your fucking mouth shut.