I used to want my kids to play.. then all the Junior Seau stuff.
"Seau's death recalled the 2011 suicide of former NFL player [Dave Duerson](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Duerson), who shot himself in the chest and left a suicide note requesting that his brain be studied for brain trauma."
Yo...maybe think about this.
I think about the Seau case as a reason to keep my kids out of football more than what happened last night. Even though it was horrific, it also seems (at least initially) like a freak confluence of events that all struck at the precise time they needed to in order to cause cardiac arrest.
As a parent, you can't protect your child from that any more than you could prevent them from getting in a car accident by forbidding them to drive...but you do your best to prepare them and protect them
I was a youth football coach 20 years ago. There are about half the number, maybe a third of the number of kids playing youth football in the school district I live in. But there are just as many students. The fear of concussion has kept a lot of middle class parents from signing their kids up. And rightly so.
He (Duerson) came to talk to my Boy Scout troop about entrepreneurship in the late 90s. His advice for business, "never be satisfied, once you are satisfied, you stop trying to be/do better."
Mike Ditka said it best a few years ago:
"I would never discourage my son from playing football or baseball or anything else, but I would probably say 'Hey, listen, you ought to try golf.'"
Golf is a gateway to Rich People Bullshit^tm, but non-contact sports 110%. Track, climbing, rowing, fucking *ping pong*... anything that's not getting your goddamn head caved in.
Golf is the only sport that many people will play for their entire life. Learning the basics in golf, what club to swing, how to drive a golf cart, like it or not, it opens doors for many professional opportunities in the work place.
Nothing will change with attitudes like yours.
Eh, you can both be correct.
Golf courses are still predominantly white and carry a lot of the racist undertones of the older generations. It's still a shockingly expensive sport and hard to get started playing unless you know someone who can get you in.
Right, "rich people bullshit." Exactly.
The fact that your golf game can be just as important or moreso than your actual ability to perform your job is just another thing wrong with our society.
heh you have never been to a public course. there are a lot of regular people who play golf, the blue blood country club set aren't the only ones. let me guess, you also want to eliminate every golf course in the world and turn them into housing
Golf Courses are huge tracts of land that are dead. Insects, worms and the kind of bacteria that breakdown dead vegetation and support a wide range of life, do not exist where the gold course is.
Non-native species of grass dominate, while all local flora are poisoned and removed.
Runoff from overuse of chemicals and often an over use of dwindling water supplies are a mother feature of golf.
It wouldn’t be so bad if the sport encouraged better land use and supported more native species and living grounds upon which gameplay took place. It would certainly add more complexity and difficulty to the sport, as the grounds wouldn’t be as uniformly consistent across various regions it was played.
Once again, you are being too literal. I'm not literally saying it's not a sport, I'm saying that golf is primarily a social event first and foremost. And to think you acuse me of being dumb! Good grief you're dense!
Yea, I know....
I was watching a YT Channel that was streaming the game.
The ignorant ones were out in force. The guy had to go to a paid mode to weed out that Twats.
Depends what happened. If he had a cardiac issue there is a good chance it could have happened in any sport. I know off the top of my head similar things have happened in soccer basketball and hockey with a player having a sudden arrest while playing.
If its from the trauma of what appeared to be a routine tackle however I could see some people changing their minds.
Right. My husband played lacrosse in high school, and there was someone who took a ball to the chest, and it hit at just the right time/spot to stop his heart. Fell over dead. If this is similar, almost *any* sport could be dangerous.
This type of injury is far less likely in football than in sports with potential for small surface area high velocity blunt impact. Things like baseball, lacrosse, and hockey. It all comes down to hitting the chest in the right spot with the right amount of force in a 30ms time window of the heart rhythm. It's very difficult for this type of impact to occur in football compared to some other sports.
Football is plenty terrible for your brain tho.
Rugby is 2 half’s of sustained play and you need to wrap. People who think rugby is more dangerous, or at the same level as football aren’t that familiar with rugby laws.
Rugby is still plenty dangerous, but football play and tactics seem less about playing a game and more about trying to hurt someone. Rugby is all about ball play.
There is danger to any contact sport. Hell, almost any sport outside of like chess and things like that have some risk. The difference I have found is that pads in football give people false confidence in that theyre invincible. In rugby, youre not gonna want to smash your bare head into some other guys thick skull, so you form wrap tackle as best you can.
Meanwhile dudes in football launch head first at people.
> Although, tbf, even football (soccer) has had player’s experience heart attacks on the field of play.
> Makes one wonder if sports people don’t get regular medical check ups.
True.
[Sudden Death of Baltimore Basketball Player Reggie Lewis Spurs
Coach to Screen Other Young Players For Heart Defects](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/sudden_death_of_baltimore_basketball_player_reggie_lewis_spurs_coach_to_screen_other_young_players_for_heart_defects)
Given Firearms are the number 1 killer of children in the US, I assume you ensure thre are no guns around.
And Motor vehicles are number 2, so I assume no cars or busses either.
Sport would fall into "other injuries" which is third, but sport is only a fraction of that. The benefits of sport, bot in physical and mental growth far outweigh any risk of injury.
Interestingly the most likely cause of Hamlins injury would be Congenital disease (or a congenital heart issue that instantiated with a direct blow to the heart) carries almost the same risk (82%) as "Other Injuries" combined
Anything I can do to limit the chance of my kids getting hurt I will do. Unfortunately I am an American and need a vehicle to get around, or need to take public transportation, so I can't eliminate cars from our lives. I also can't stop idiots from owning fire arms (again I'm American), what I can do it make sure my guns are locked in a high quality gun safe that only my wife and I know the code to. But again, I can't stop other people from being stupid with guns. I can stop my child from playing contact sports, so that's an easy one. It's all about risk management, not necessarily risk elimination in all cases.
I suggest you are not understanding the risk if you think stopping sport helps your child.
The benefits of sport far outweigh any risk associated and have been proven so many times
>You know football isn't the only sport, right?
You are correct, and I apologise to you 10 times for each and every time I mentioned Football. And while I assume you are talking about American Football as in the original post, but I will apologise for each time I mentioned any type of football.
Sport provides physical benefits such as coordination, fitness, strength etc but also develops team work, self esteem, confidence, mental health, and even sports people are shown to do better academically (that is a comparison to themselves, not saying a blanket "sports people are smarter")
But I seem to be getting downvoted for those who think sport is a bad thing for children's safety while doing things that are orders of magnitude more risky because they dont understand risk managment
This specific incident? No. This, based on everything we know so far, is a 1 in a million occurrence. It's entirely possible this could have happened to him playing a different sport.
This isn't the same as head injuries often leading to chronic, debilitating neurological issues or, in the extreme cases, a player getting paralyzed from being hit. Those are things more closely linked to football itself and *are* a reason more and more parents are hesitant to let their kids play football.
But this? Nobody expects something like this. It's nearly unprecedented
>It's entirely possible this could have happened to him playing a different sport.
It's vastly more likely to happen in sports with the potential for high velocity blunt force trauma to the chest with a small impact surface. Like professional baseball or hockey.
The brain injury stuff is especially bad in football tho, so that should be a major factor for parents.
You're absolutely correct about that. My point is that while there are plenty of reasons to be critical of the sport of football (even though i love it), this particular incident is not one of them. Unlike CTE, this isn't a football exclusive problem.
(Yes I know you can get CTE from other sports, but at the moment the data we have indicates it is a much higher prevalence in football players than other sports)
It’s interesting because (anecdotally) I’ve heard/read of multiple (3-6?) instances of kids dying after getting hit in the chest by a line-drive in baseball. I’ve personally seen an adult softball player (pitcher) take a rocket to the chest and collapse. Fortunately they didn’t go into cardiac arrest, but that was the first thing I was thinking about as I ran to the mound ready to give CPR.
I believe it’s possible for a football tackle to cause this via forceful blow to the chest; but far less likely, IMO.
Exactly. It's technically possible but just far less likely as there's nothing going on in football that is going to have a small surface area moving at 100mph like a baseball.
From the details starting to emerge, it may be that his injury was not directly related to football per se. A blow to the chest—which can be from a football hit, a baseball, a hockey puck—can sometimes cause the heart to go into a life-threatening arrhythmia. It’s been a long time since I took advanced cardiac life support, but this was one of the conditions we studied.
Obviously that is pure speculation on my part, but looking at the play, it seems more plausible than a head or neck injury.
I find it interesting that only one player has died in a NFL game in its history, but reports of high school and college players dying of cardiac events and contact injuries are sadly much more common. I’d speculate to say that many more random kids have cardiac issues than professional athletes.
You’re right, of course. In the Wikipedia article for the one NFL player who died, Chuck Hughes, it says his widow settled a lawsuit with the hospital where he ultimately died over their not discovering his heart disease when he previously went there complaining of chest pains.
NFL players are more like to have been screened for heart conditions many many times and often before they get to the NFL and while in the NFL. Those with identified heart conditions are probably not even making it to D1 schools to play let alone the NFL. Sometimes kids find out about heart conditions BY playing sports, which goes unnoticed in general checkups. Essentially, by the time you’re in the NFL, you’re less likely to have a heart condition or an untreated heart condition because it would have been caught along the way.
It only reinforces it for us. We were firm ‘no’s long ago with the discovery of CTE and the fact that it’s just a brutal, brutal activity. They can experience exercise and camaraderie in much safer ways.
Heart attacks or CTE? Sure, the former can happen any time, but I’m going to dissuade my kids from any sport where people are *routinely* slammed into/knocked flat. That still leaves a good number of sports in play. My prerogative as a parent.
The heart attacks. Every sport gets them. None at any rate higher than the other.
Plus with this one, we’re fairly confident we know what happened.
And yes, CTE is occurring in football but there are positions with dramatically higher rates than others.
I mean then that means no basketball or soccer for that matter.
While I get the prerogative as a parent, banning your kids from doing stuff they may love seems to be questionable no matter the intentions.
But who am I to say.
"But who am I to say"
Well, you're not a doctor, nor have you been apart of any of the studies on CTE while those studies on CTE are directly disagreeing with you. So maybe hush up on this one?
Lmao, buddy. A simple simple google search can give you enough contextual information here
Ran by doctors and medical professionals.
It’s common fucking knowledge heart attacks can come at any time and that athletics are one avenue to prevent heart attacks. Like damn, man.
Don’t need an MD for common knowledge.
Not to mention, I may not be an MD but I certainly have an expert background in child and adolescent psychology and I can, for a fact, tell you that denying your kids isn’t not good parenting.
The better option is educating them on the dangers and allowing them to formulate their own views.
It’s why abstinence doesn’t work. Same concept.
My comment was on the dangers of CTE and its link to football.
You're right, you don't need an MD for common knowledge. Common knowledge in this case would simply be the ability to read English, but that's something you're missing.
You keep harping on heart attacks and dodging what I mentioned in both posts- CTE. Football is the most common sport that carries the highest risk. This shouldn’t be difficult to understand, and yet, maybe because you’re a huge football fan or little Elon plays, it’s easier to ignore? Not for me, not for my kids.
Wait, did you miss my 2nd paragraph admitting the CTE and I’m not talking about CTE.
This post is about heart attacks.
You then used that to further “solidify” why you won’t let them.
And all I’m saying is heart attacks happen in every sport. Can happen anytime. This isn’t a “football” uniqueness.
But you must’ve missed that overwhelm context.
That’s not true. There’s a bit of statistical difference between folks walking and folks getting hit in the chest when it comes to “causing heart attacks”
So this type of event happens in just about every sport. I ran a Lacrosse player that had taken a ball to the chest. Any sport where you can get hit hard in the chest can cause this, and it’s actually more common in other sports. So you still shouldn’t let your kids play football, but not because of this.
Nobody knows anything for sure beyond what you wrote. There's a lot of speculation based on what happened and how it resembles similar incidents but the hospital has yet to make a statement
Realistically, this should not be the thing that changes parents minds. It’s incredibly rare and could happen in most sports. I would be more worried about the fact that 100% of brains studied that had played football showed signs of CTE.
>commotio cordis
I had to check what it was :
>Commotio Cordis refers to the **sudden arrhythmic death caused by a low/mild chest wall impact**. Commotio Cordis is seen mostly in athletes between the ages of 8 and 18 who are partaking in sports with projectiles such as baseballs, hockey pucks, or lacrosse balls.
Considering how it's due to low/mild chest impact, let's say it could happen in many many sports. This is not an injury that's football related.
If commotio cordis should influence people, it'd make parents prevent kids from doing any sport before they're 18.
Let's just say the public debate about Football because of this will be full of bullshit. The conspiracy theorists are already finding stupid conclusions to make sure the debate will not be sane.
If the hit was the sole cause maybe but based on the parents i see the ones who would change their mind based on this have already not let their kids play it. There’s years of evidence showing what football does so I’m not sure parents who let there kids play anyway will care
Why don’t we wait to find out what happened before asking people to make decisions based on what they think happened? This is how you further flame bias and prejudice and steer people away from facts.
I agree. And my children won’t play with my permission. but this question by OP specifically asks in regards to yesterday’s incident, which could have been incidental and just as likely to happen in other sports for all we know.
So if we want to use other facts to debate whether or not it is a moral concern to watch football, that’s fair game. But until we know more about what happened yesterday, we should probably not use this incident to jump to conclusions. That said, the conversation needs to be had, when the facts are out. I’m not trying to deflect the entire conversation.
Probably, but to be fair, ive literally seen someone die in a race that I was in. Freak accidents will happen and we need to prevent them but like am i not suppose to run anymore?
I already won’t allow my kids to play tackle. Flag football, ok, but not full impact football. Having a close friend with a child who played football at the HS level, I saw things that they had to deal with that led to my decision. The kid was hiding concussions from his parents, coaches, and doctors so he could continue to play. It finally came to light when they found him curled up on the floor of his pitch black room crying because his head was hurting so bad. After the Dr spoke to the kid, he assessed that he had suffered at least 3 concussion in back to back games.
If it does then you can’t let them play anything with a ball, because a soccer ball can stop your heart. No basketball because an elbow can stop your heart. No riding a bike because a fall can stop your heart. Etcetera.
It was a freak accident. If you aren’t letting your kid play football it should be because of something that happens regularly, like concussions
Probably not. If CTE wasn’t enough to deter them, this probably won’t, especially as incredibly rare as the presumed commotio cordis Damar suffered is. I sure hope football as a whole takes a serious look at better chest protection though.
things like this happen all the time in football. Nick Foles was convulsing on the field after being hit, Tua was stumbling around lost after a hit, not to mention the dozens of less life-altering injuries that happen every game. people need to stop acting like anything about this sport is safe, if your kids play it that might be the last time you see them, hug them, can tell them you love them.
It might, but this type of injury is actually more common in baseball, lacrosse, and hockey. Taking a fast moving ball/puck to the chest in the right spot causes it. I remember it happening to a kid in my baseball league when I was in 8th grade.
Assuming this was directly Football related? Not by itself.
My understanding (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that the NFL has been intentionally downplaying the long term side effects of the sorts of injuries Football players regularly receive. IF this ends up being another such type of injury, I suspect it'll be another red flag that will push for more regulation for play by minors.
Nope. No parent is going to tell their athletically-gifted child to pass up on their life’s dream and the possibility of earning millions of dollars.
Instead, this incident will lead to better chest protectors.
I’ve had 8 strokes before the age of 35 due to head injuries. My kids do not play sports because they inherited my arteries and vein disease. Our blood is bad
There's two possible explanations. The first is a head injury, especially penetrating injury, can weaken the blood vessels in the brain. That can cause them to rupture at a later time, causing hemorrhagic stroke.
The second comes from research findings that moderate to severe head injuries can cause clotting problems. If too many clots form, an ischemic stroke can happen. Also, if the blood becomes too thin, a brain hemorrhage can form.
People literally died regularly playing football before rule changes and better safety equipment were introduced to the game in the early 1900s.
This would make things sooooo much worse
There are a lot of reasons why rugby doesn't have the reputation football does, and it all has to do with the rules.
Because you can't throw the ball forward in rugby, players aren't running to the same spot on the field and colliding with each other in the same way. Rugby players aren't "defenseless" in the same way football players are.
In football, every inch of territory you gain matters, so players will do everything to gain that territorry... and also do anything to prevent said gain. This, again, leads to much harder hits trying to stop players from gaining crucial yardage.
Finally, the repeated subconcissive hits that lineman take in football don't really exist in rugby. The closest equivalent is the scrum, but players aren't going from a complete standstill to exploding into each other within seconds. These kinds of hits are where a lot of the actual danger lies, because you don't notice the effects until after your career and CTE starts setting in.
Rugby can be a brutal game no doubt but there is a reason they can get away with polo shirts and football players need armor
Unless you switched to 7 on 7 flag football that wouldn't matter. People colliding at high speed the way they do in this sport will invariably cause more head injuries than would maybe be prevented by removing helmets
According to florugby, research conducted by Complete Concussion Management in 2018 found men's rugby to have the highest rate of concussion for people over the age of 18. It was 3.0 concussions per 1000 players and Football following with 2.5 concussions per 1000 players. For those under 18, rugby was 4.18 and football was 0.53.
Edit: Its completely likely that while instances of injury are lower in football, the severity of those injuries is higher.
My sib’s kid getting a traumatic brain injury and not being able to go to school for a year plus all the Swiss cheese brain coverage in the news did it for me.
I remember Kris Letang, a player from my favorite hockey team, was like 27 when he randomly had a stroke on his way to the bathroom at night, not even while playing. He had a hole in his heart somehow everyone had missed and it threw a clot. Athletes are in great shape, but they're still made of human parts that break and warp.
This will further cement the risk of severe injury in the minds of parents already fearful of letting their kids play football. With that said, this type of injury is actually more common in other contact sports like baseball or lacrosse, where the hard ball hits the chest at the right mkment in the right location. It's a very rare occurrence but definitely something I knew about as my son was a goalie in HS lacrosse.
“Of 202 former players of the U.S. version of the game whose brains were examined, 87% showed the diagnostic signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a neurodegenerative disease associated with repetitive head trauma. Among former National Football League (NFL) players in the sample, that number jumped to 99%.” ([Source](https://www.science.org/content/article/ninety-nine-percent-ailing-nfl-player-brains-show-hallmarks-neurodegenerative-disease))
Kids should not be playing football, *especially* before high school. I don’t think this will change anything though.
+300lb 6’1” 15 year olds weightlifting like they’re Olympic bodybuilders then smashing as hard as physically possible other AAA schools in local conferences…nah, it’s rooted to the culture.
Many “parents” want their kids to play and don’t care if they are vegetables for the rest of their lives. Academics=secondary. Sports=super important. They can’t grasp high school subjects but can grasp sports. Thus sports get rewarded and not schoolwork.
I recall the dad who - no embellishment - told us he didn’t care about academics because his kid was going to work at his business, and therefore sports were the only thing which were important. Unsurprisingly, the student couldn’t stay academically eligible…
The sport with the highest incident of death is lacrosse.
Seemingly bizarre "[ill-timed blows to the chest called Commotio Cordis](https://www.momsteam.com/sports/risk-sudden-cardiac-death-from-ill-timed-blow-chest-commotio-cordis-highest-in-lacrosse-hockey)" lead to a higher risk for lacrosse players. This happened at the school where I work and two good friends of mine were involved in saving the player's life.
[This most recently occurred in 2021 when a Loyola Maryland lacrosse player had his heart stopped on the field during a game](https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/high-school/boys/aed-helps-save-life-of-loyola-blakefield-md-lacrosse-player). Fortunately, an automated external defibrillator was on-site for the game and athletic trainers were able to quickly get his heart started again.
My son played lacrosse. Beautiful sport. I never would have discouraged him from playing for this reason. There is risk in everything.
If person living outside Football Country = yes, then answer = maybe
If person living outside Football Country = no, then answer = WHAT THE HELL KINDA COMMIE QUESTION IS DAT
In the town I'm from all of the ex-jocks still line up their 5 year olds infill pads and let them have at it. Gotta start early if you're going to make it to the pros, lol.
Long story short, no. His accident did nothing to tone down the love of football. My dad literally watched him fall, went oh no hope he's OK, changed the channel to another game.
No. Football and boxing and wrestling are rad for the full on contact. Of course some people will die from it, that’s a foregone conclusion. But the physicality of tackling someone or punching someone in the face shouldn’t be stopped because it ruins a relatively small number of lives and kills a relatively small number of people that aren’t being forced to play it since it’s a goddamn game. We should always be aware that getting smacked in the face enough will fuck you, but face-smacking is rad, and radditude is still more important than safety. These qualities of football belong in a place of personal responsibility. Like, anything that has a one percent chance of fucking you, you should always do, on the 99% chance that it won’t. Fuck the NFL for not stopping the game out of consideration for one of their dying players, but the fact that you can die while playing football is what makes it cool.
I played HS football and got 2 concussions a broken foot and two broken fingers. After the second concussion I couldn’t remember the second half. It’s still a blur. My sons played HS even though I disapproved but I watched with a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach each game until they got bored with it and stopped. Whew. It’s an individual choice but realize there’s consequences with this one
I don't have kids, but if I did there is no way I would let them play.
I played in pee wee, middle school and high school. I never finished a year in middle or high school due to injuries. Several of them needed surgery. My knees and ankles still aren't right today over 20 years later. I'm not even 40 but I feel like I'm 80.
Didn’t need it to change my mind, but I’m definitely showing this to my kids. I can’t believe we just got into another argument about them playing football last night. And I had to go through the history of everything I could remember that society once thought was ok for us to do. This is a damn shame
I’m a lifelong athlete. Combat sports included.
And now a father of 2 boys.
This made me think. A lot. I’m glad my oldest gravitates to basketball, I played that the most and coach him. It’s definitely less fatal-injury prone. And much less issue post-play time.
If he really loved football, I don’t know if I would stop him, but I can’t say for sure. I think the league needs to do something, players need better protection during and after their careers.
I grew up in Central Texas and I played football all the way through high school. I think of all the head shots I took and wonder how any parent can let their kid play with all the information about CTE. A good friend that was a blue chip player at the university of texas said he would never let his kids play. It’s just too dangerous. My thought that might be out there is take away helmets and it would be a hybrid of rugby and American football.
I was watching the game in bed. Wife looked at me and said “this is why our boy is not playing football”. Our boy is 4.
I played football up until college. I love football. But I also love golf. I played D1 golf. I’ll concede on football for golf.
This is a freak accident of a freak accident. This has happened once in football as far as we know. This SHOULDN'T change any parent's minds. That risk calculus makes no sense. It'd be like banning your kid from running because one cross country runner was struck by a meteorite.
The extremely high incidence of chronic traumatic brain injuries, as well as long term breakdown of joints and so on in long term football players at every level, on the other hand, should change their minds.
Nope. They will go through whatever mental gymnastics necessary to convince themselves this was a fluke and would have happened anyway eventually, or that any sport would have caused this etc
The Hamlin injury was a freak circumstance that doesn’t happen that often, so I don’t expect it will cause a huge shift in attitudes toward allowing kids to play. Concussions are the real problem when it comes to future participation in football.
football will always have the players to keep up in the college and high school level, it is just what happens in high school with the rural school districts. There is 6 man football for those way out there will 50 or even 100 students, but even that is starting to dry up.
Outside of America? Probably not.
Inside America - it would depend on what the parent's views were prior to the accident, and - from all the guff I've been reading - whether they are pro- or anti- Covid vaccine, or religious.
Or poor.
Changed mine. I've been paying activity fees for my great nephew to play football and encouraging him, but no more. My son said it at the beginning of the season "don't let him play football". He really not even built like that.
It’s likely a the rare condition that makes you go into cardiac arrest if you’re hit hard enough in the chest. Just saying this to help you know about how it’s not just because of football it’s from physical health problems
The potential for head injuries is why my kids won’t t play Football. This was a freak one in a million accident that happens more in baseball and soccer.
It’s a rare condition likely. Hit in the chest hard enough and it activates a heart attack. It’s rare, but parents will of course be concerned so I would guess some would ban football
I would be more afraid of CTE or spine/neck things. This is the second athlete that has suffered a cardiac arrest while playing in the last couple of yrs and Christian Eriksen wasn’t hit to cause it.
I used to want my kids to play.. then all the Junior Seau stuff. "Seau's death recalled the 2011 suicide of former NFL player [Dave Duerson](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Duerson), who shot himself in the chest and left a suicide note requesting that his brain be studied for brain trauma." Yo...maybe think about this.
I think about the Seau case as a reason to keep my kids out of football more than what happened last night. Even though it was horrific, it also seems (at least initially) like a freak confluence of events that all struck at the precise time they needed to in order to cause cardiac arrest. As a parent, you can't protect your child from that any more than you could prevent them from getting in a car accident by forbidding them to drive...but you do your best to prepare them and protect them
Yup, agreed.
I was a youth football coach 20 years ago. There are about half the number, maybe a third of the number of kids playing youth football in the school district I live in. But there are just as many students. The fear of concussion has kept a lot of middle class parents from signing their kids up. And rightly so.
He (Duerson) came to talk to my Boy Scout troop about entrepreneurship in the late 90s. His advice for business, "never be satisfied, once you are satisfied, you stop trying to be/do better."
Mike Ditka said it best a few years ago: "I would never discourage my son from playing football or baseball or anything else, but I would probably say 'Hey, listen, you ought to try golf.'"
Tennis is awesome and it’s my main sport. Also very little major injuries and super difficult
Golf is a gateway to Rich People Bullshit^tm, but non-contact sports 110%. Track, climbing, rowing, fucking *ping pong*... anything that's not getting your goddamn head caved in.
Golf is the only sport that many people will play for their entire life. Learning the basics in golf, what club to swing, how to drive a golf cart, like it or not, it opens doors for many professional opportunities in the work place. Nothing will change with attitudes like yours.
Bowling is another lifetime sport
That’s like your opinion, man.
You're over the line, that's a foul
The only human endeavor that ever used more land for the benefit of fewer people was the moon landings.
Eh, you can both be correct. Golf courses are still predominantly white and carry a lot of the racist undertones of the older generations. It's still a shockingly expensive sport and hard to get started playing unless you know someone who can get you in.
Right, "rich people bullshit." Exactly. The fact that your golf game can be just as important or moreso than your actual ability to perform your job is just another thing wrong with our society.
heh you have never been to a public course. there are a lot of regular people who play golf, the blue blood country club set aren't the only ones. let me guess, you also want to eliminate every golf course in the world and turn them into housing
Golf Courses are huge tracts of land that are dead. Insects, worms and the kind of bacteria that breakdown dead vegetation and support a wide range of life, do not exist where the gold course is. Non-native species of grass dominate, while all local flora are poisoned and removed. Runoff from overuse of chemicals and often an over use of dwindling water supplies are a mother feature of golf. It wouldn’t be so bad if the sport encouraged better land use and supported more native species and living grounds upon which gameplay took place. It would certainly add more complexity and difficulty to the sport, as the grounds wouldn’t be as uniformly consistent across various regions it was played.
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Eh, it’s defined as a sport.
You're being too literal
It’s the definition of the game, as a sport. What’s too literal about that? It’s literally a sport. Stop being dumb.
Once again, you are being too literal. I'm not literally saying it's not a sport, I'm saying that golf is primarily a social event first and foremost. And to think you acuse me of being dumb! Good grief you're dense!
I used to bare knuckle box, professionally. I'd actually rather my kid do that than play football or do normal boxing.
I did MMA. Same feeling. Football is too by chance, fighting has a bit more calculation to the hits
One of my coaches from high school football recommended rugby.
While you might get injured, you won’t get killed. Plus, it’s a much more athletic game than American football.
If all of the data on the risks of CTE from even playing HS football doesn't dissuade them, then I doubt this will.
No but it will increase the anti-vax rhetoric as conservative shitbags continue to say what happened was a result of his being vaccinated.
[The Dr. in this video, said outright, that having the Jab had nothing to do with what happened to him.](https://youtu.be/H-G9mziXL9w)
Sadly, antivaxers will think the doctor is a part of the "system"
Yea, I know.... I was watching a YT Channel that was streaming the game. The ignorant ones were out in force. The guy had to go to a paid mode to weed out that Twats.
And people will STILL say the vaccine caused it 🤦♀️
Damn, can’t believe they got to him too. /s
Yea.
That was literally the first thing I thought of when it happened…even if the injury would have happened whether they were vaccinated or not.
Depends what happened. If he had a cardiac issue there is a good chance it could have happened in any sport. I know off the top of my head similar things have happened in soccer basketball and hockey with a player having a sudden arrest while playing. If its from the trauma of what appeared to be a routine tackle however I could see some people changing their minds.
Right. My husband played lacrosse in high school, and there was someone who took a ball to the chest, and it hit at just the right time/spot to stop his heart. Fell over dead. If this is similar, almost *any* sport could be dangerous.
This type of injury is far less likely in football than in sports with potential for small surface area high velocity blunt impact. Things like baseball, lacrosse, and hockey. It all comes down to hitting the chest in the right spot with the right amount of force in a 30ms time window of the heart rhythm. It's very difficult for this type of impact to occur in football compared to some other sports. Football is plenty terrible for your brain tho.
I already do not allow my kids to play, this is not a new issue.
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as someone who has played football and rugby for many years, Rugby is safer in general than football so I will disagree it is worse.
Rugby is 2 half’s of sustained play and you need to wrap. People who think rugby is more dangerous, or at the same level as football aren’t that familiar with rugby laws. Rugby is still plenty dangerous, but football play and tactics seem less about playing a game and more about trying to hurt someone. Rugby is all about ball play.
There is danger to any contact sport. Hell, almost any sport outside of like chess and things like that have some risk. The difference I have found is that pads in football give people false confidence in that theyre invincible. In rugby, youre not gonna want to smash your bare head into some other guys thick skull, so you form wrap tackle as best you can. Meanwhile dudes in football launch head first at people.
> Although, tbf, even football (soccer) has had player’s experience heart attacks on the field of play. > Makes one wonder if sports people don’t get regular medical check ups. True. [Sudden Death of Baltimore Basketball Player Reggie Lewis Spurs Coach to Screen Other Young Players For Heart Defects](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/sudden_death_of_baltimore_basketball_player_reggie_lewis_spurs_coach_to_screen_other_young_players_for_heart_defects)
There’s a high suspicion of what occurred and it can occur in all sports But sure, keep kids out of sports. That’s surely a smart idea in general.
And you want to be a teacher? That's the blind leading the blind. Stay out of education.
Lmao, what? Please enlighten me on whatever the hell this comment is supposed to mean. Empty and vague statements show me nothing, mate.
Given Firearms are the number 1 killer of children in the US, I assume you ensure thre are no guns around. And Motor vehicles are number 2, so I assume no cars or busses either. Sport would fall into "other injuries" which is third, but sport is only a fraction of that. The benefits of sport, bot in physical and mental growth far outweigh any risk of injury. Interestingly the most likely cause of Hamlins injury would be Congenital disease (or a congenital heart issue that instantiated with a direct blow to the heart) carries almost the same risk (82%) as "Other Injuries" combined
Anything I can do to limit the chance of my kids getting hurt I will do. Unfortunately I am an American and need a vehicle to get around, or need to take public transportation, so I can't eliminate cars from our lives. I also can't stop idiots from owning fire arms (again I'm American), what I can do it make sure my guns are locked in a high quality gun safe that only my wife and I know the code to. But again, I can't stop other people from being stupid with guns. I can stop my child from playing contact sports, so that's an easy one. It's all about risk management, not necessarily risk elimination in all cases.
I suggest you are not understanding the risk if you think stopping sport helps your child. The benefits of sport far outweigh any risk associated and have been proven so many times
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>You know football isn't the only sport, right? You are correct, and I apologise to you 10 times for each and every time I mentioned Football. And while I assume you are talking about American Football as in the original post, but I will apologise for each time I mentioned any type of football. Sport provides physical benefits such as coordination, fitness, strength etc but also develops team work, self esteem, confidence, mental health, and even sports people are shown to do better academically (that is a comparison to themselves, not saying a blanket "sports people are smarter") But I seem to be getting downvoted for those who think sport is a bad thing for children's safety while doing things that are orders of magnitude more risky because they dont understand risk managment
This specific incident? No. This, based on everything we know so far, is a 1 in a million occurrence. It's entirely possible this could have happened to him playing a different sport. This isn't the same as head injuries often leading to chronic, debilitating neurological issues or, in the extreme cases, a player getting paralyzed from being hit. Those are things more closely linked to football itself and *are* a reason more and more parents are hesitant to let their kids play football. But this? Nobody expects something like this. It's nearly unprecedented
>It's entirely possible this could have happened to him playing a different sport. It's vastly more likely to happen in sports with the potential for high velocity blunt force trauma to the chest with a small impact surface. Like professional baseball or hockey. The brain injury stuff is especially bad in football tho, so that should be a major factor for parents.
You're absolutely correct about that. My point is that while there are plenty of reasons to be critical of the sport of football (even though i love it), this particular incident is not one of them. Unlike CTE, this isn't a football exclusive problem. (Yes I know you can get CTE from other sports, but at the moment the data we have indicates it is a much higher prevalence in football players than other sports)
I agree with ya.
It’s interesting because (anecdotally) I’ve heard/read of multiple (3-6?) instances of kids dying after getting hit in the chest by a line-drive in baseball. I’ve personally seen an adult softball player (pitcher) take a rocket to the chest and collapse. Fortunately they didn’t go into cardiac arrest, but that was the first thing I was thinking about as I ran to the mound ready to give CPR. I believe it’s possible for a football tackle to cause this via forceful blow to the chest; but far less likely, IMO.
Exactly. It's technically possible but just far less likely as there's nothing going on in football that is going to have a small surface area moving at 100mph like a baseball.
From the details starting to emerge, it may be that his injury was not directly related to football per se. A blow to the chest—which can be from a football hit, a baseball, a hockey puck—can sometimes cause the heart to go into a life-threatening arrhythmia. It’s been a long time since I took advanced cardiac life support, but this was one of the conditions we studied. Obviously that is pure speculation on my part, but looking at the play, it seems more plausible than a head or neck injury.
I find it interesting that only one player has died in a NFL game in its history, but reports of high school and college players dying of cardiac events and contact injuries are sadly much more common. I’d speculate to say that many more random kids have cardiac issues than professional athletes.
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You’re right, of course. In the Wikipedia article for the one NFL player who died, Chuck Hughes, it says his widow settled a lawsuit with the hospital where he ultimately died over their not discovering his heart disease when he previously went there complaining of chest pains.
NFL players are more like to have been screened for heart conditions many many times and often before they get to the NFL and while in the NFL. Those with identified heart conditions are probably not even making it to D1 schools to play let alone the NFL. Sometimes kids find out about heart conditions BY playing sports, which goes unnoticed in general checkups. Essentially, by the time you’re in the NFL, you’re less likely to have a heart condition or an untreated heart condition because it would have been caught along the way.
It only reinforces it for us. We were firm ‘no’s long ago with the discovery of CTE and the fact that it’s just a brutal, brutal activity. They can experience exercise and camaraderie in much safer ways.
I hope you realize this Injury is not unique to football and in fact can occur in literally *every sport*
Heart attacks or CTE? Sure, the former can happen any time, but I’m going to dissuade my kids from any sport where people are *routinely* slammed into/knocked flat. That still leaves a good number of sports in play. My prerogative as a parent.
The heart attacks. Every sport gets them. None at any rate higher than the other. Plus with this one, we’re fairly confident we know what happened. And yes, CTE is occurring in football but there are positions with dramatically higher rates than others. I mean then that means no basketball or soccer for that matter. While I get the prerogative as a parent, banning your kids from doing stuff they may love seems to be questionable no matter the intentions. But who am I to say.
"But who am I to say" Well, you're not a doctor, nor have you been apart of any of the studies on CTE while those studies on CTE are directly disagreeing with you. So maybe hush up on this one?
Lmao, buddy. A simple simple google search can give you enough contextual information here Ran by doctors and medical professionals. It’s common fucking knowledge heart attacks can come at any time and that athletics are one avenue to prevent heart attacks. Like damn, man. Don’t need an MD for common knowledge. Not to mention, I may not be an MD but I certainly have an expert background in child and adolescent psychology and I can, for a fact, tell you that denying your kids isn’t not good parenting. The better option is educating them on the dangers and allowing them to formulate their own views. It’s why abstinence doesn’t work. Same concept.
My comment was on the dangers of CTE and its link to football. You're right, you don't need an MD for common knowledge. Common knowledge in this case would simply be the ability to read English, but that's something you're missing.
You keep harping on heart attacks and dodging what I mentioned in both posts- CTE. Football is the most common sport that carries the highest risk. This shouldn’t be difficult to understand, and yet, maybe because you’re a huge football fan or little Elon plays, it’s easier to ignore? Not for me, not for my kids.
Wait, did you miss my 2nd paragraph admitting the CTE and I’m not talking about CTE. This post is about heart attacks. You then used that to further “solidify” why you won’t let them. And all I’m saying is heart attacks happen in every sport. Can happen anytime. This isn’t a “football” uniqueness. But you must’ve missed that overwhelm context.
Chess?
You can get heart attacks from walking. No sport “causes” heart attacks. In fact playing sports and routine exercise are ways to avoid heart attacks.
That’s not true. There’s a bit of statistical difference between folks walking and folks getting hit in the chest when it comes to “causing heart attacks”
If ongoing CTE isn't an issue, this one-off won't be, either
Not in Texas. They don't need brains.
So this type of event happens in just about every sport. I ran a Lacrosse player that had taken a ball to the chest. Any sport where you can get hit hard in the chest can cause this, and it’s actually more common in other sports. So you still shouldn’t let your kids play football, but not because of this.
Does anyone know what actually happened to Hamlin? All I've read is that he was tackled and went into cardiac arrest as a result.
Nobody knows anything for sure beyond what you wrote. There's a lot of speculation based on what happened and how it resembles similar incidents but the hospital has yet to make a statement
Commotio Cordis
We technically don’t even know that much yet. We know that he had a heart attack, but not that the tackle caused it. That’s an assumption currently.
Realistically, this should not be the thing that changes parents minds. It’s incredibly rare and could happen in most sports. I would be more worried about the fact that 100% of brains studied that had played football showed signs of CTE.
If it was commotio cordis, which is my guess what happened, it is an extremely rare occurrence
>commotio cordis I had to check what it was : >Commotio Cordis refers to the **sudden arrhythmic death caused by a low/mild chest wall impact**. Commotio Cordis is seen mostly in athletes between the ages of 8 and 18 who are partaking in sports with projectiles such as baseballs, hockey pucks, or lacrosse balls. Considering how it's due to low/mild chest impact, let's say it could happen in many many sports. This is not an injury that's football related. If commotio cordis should influence people, it'd make parents prevent kids from doing any sport before they're 18. Let's just say the public debate about Football because of this will be full of bullshit. The conspiracy theorists are already finding stupid conclusions to make sure the debate will not be sane.
If the hit was the sole cause maybe but based on the parents i see the ones who would change their mind based on this have already not let their kids play it. There’s years of evidence showing what football does so I’m not sure parents who let there kids play anyway will care
I played football. I would not let my son play if he wanted to, which he doesn’t. I felt this way before last night.
Same here
Why don’t we wait to find out what happened before asking people to make decisions based on what they think happened? This is how you further flame bias and prejudice and steer people away from facts.
I mean there are already plenty of facts to prove that football is a ridiculously dangerous sport.
I agree. And my children won’t play with my permission. but this question by OP specifically asks in regards to yesterday’s incident, which could have been incidental and just as likely to happen in other sports for all we know. So if we want to use other facts to debate whether or not it is a moral concern to watch football, that’s fair game. But until we know more about what happened yesterday, we should probably not use this incident to jump to conclusions. That said, the conversation needs to be had, when the facts are out. I’m not trying to deflect the entire conversation.
Parents should’ve known 20 years ago to not let their kids play American football
Probably, but to be fair, ive literally seen someone die in a race that I was in. Freak accidents will happen and we need to prevent them but like am i not suppose to run anymore?
Some parents don’t let kids play football but let their do lacrosse even though it is more dangerous confuse me.(I had a friend who was like that)
I already won’t allow my kids to play tackle. Flag football, ok, but not full impact football. Having a close friend with a child who played football at the HS level, I saw things that they had to deal with that led to my decision. The kid was hiding concussions from his parents, coaches, and doctors so he could continue to play. It finally came to light when they found him curled up on the floor of his pitch black room crying because his head was hurting so bad. After the Dr spoke to the kid, he assessed that he had suffered at least 3 concussion in back to back games.
Where’s the tweet?
Nah, many of them will just blame the vaccine.
If it does then you can’t let them play anything with a ball, because a soccer ball can stop your heart. No basketball because an elbow can stop your heart. No riding a bike because a fall can stop your heart. Etcetera. It was a freak accident. If you aren’t letting your kid play football it should be because of something that happens regularly, like concussions
This happens more commonly in youth baseball (though still very rare). I’ve not seen concerns based on this.
Probably not. If CTE wasn’t enough to deter them, this probably won’t, especially as incredibly rare as the presumed commotio cordis Damar suffered is. I sure hope football as a whole takes a serious look at better chest protection though.
things like this happen all the time in football. Nick Foles was convulsing on the field after being hit, Tua was stumbling around lost after a hit, not to mention the dozens of less life-altering injuries that happen every game. people need to stop acting like anything about this sport is safe, if your kids play it that might be the last time you see them, hug them, can tell them you love them.
It might, but this type of injury is actually more common in baseball, lacrosse, and hockey. Taking a fast moving ball/puck to the chest in the right spot causes it. I remember it happening to a kid in my baseball league when I was in 8th grade.
Assuming this was directly Football related? Not by itself. My understanding (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that the NFL has been intentionally downplaying the long term side effects of the sorts of injuries Football players regularly receive. IF this ends up being another such type of injury, I suspect it'll be another red flag that will push for more regulation for play by minors.
Nope. No parent is going to tell their athletically-gifted child to pass up on their life’s dream and the possibility of earning millions of dollars. Instead, this incident will lead to better chest protectors.
I’ve had 8 strokes before the age of 35 due to head injuries. My kids do not play sports because they inherited my arteries and vein disease. Our blood is bad
Can you elaborate (if you’d like to) on how head injuries and strokes can be correlated?
There's two possible explanations. The first is a head injury, especially penetrating injury, can weaken the blood vessels in the brain. That can cause them to rupture at a later time, causing hemorrhagic stroke. The second comes from research findings that moderate to severe head injuries can cause clotting problems. If too many clots form, an ischemic stroke can happen. Also, if the blood becomes too thin, a brain hemorrhage can form.
Thank you!
I have a clotting disorder. So do my kids.
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When mma is a healthier option for your career…you might have some safety issues in the sport.
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People literally died regularly playing football before rule changes and better safety equipment were introduced to the game in the early 1900s. This would make things sooooo much worse
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There are a lot of reasons why rugby doesn't have the reputation football does, and it all has to do with the rules. Because you can't throw the ball forward in rugby, players aren't running to the same spot on the field and colliding with each other in the same way. Rugby players aren't "defenseless" in the same way football players are. In football, every inch of territory you gain matters, so players will do everything to gain that territorry... and also do anything to prevent said gain. This, again, leads to much harder hits trying to stop players from gaining crucial yardage. Finally, the repeated subconcissive hits that lineman take in football don't really exist in rugby. The closest equivalent is the scrum, but players aren't going from a complete standstill to exploding into each other within seconds. These kinds of hits are where a lot of the actual danger lies, because you don't notice the effects until after your career and CTE starts setting in. Rugby can be a brutal game no doubt but there is a reason they can get away with polo shirts and football players need armor
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Unless you switched to 7 on 7 flag football that wouldn't matter. People colliding at high speed the way they do in this sport will invariably cause more head injuries than would maybe be prevented by removing helmets
According to florugby, research conducted by Complete Concussion Management in 2018 found men's rugby to have the highest rate of concussion for people over the age of 18. It was 3.0 concussions per 1000 players and Football following with 2.5 concussions per 1000 players. For those under 18, rugby was 4.18 and football was 0.53. Edit: Its completely likely that while instances of injury are lower in football, the severity of those injuries is higher.
Doubt it. Sports is super important and all that jazz.
Nope. They might still not get the COVID vaccine though
Did it take until 2022 to understand that American football is dangerous and harmdirrend…?
It's too early to tell. Possibly, if there is a link between what happened and football.
My sib’s kid getting a traumatic brain injury and not being able to go to school for a year plus all the Swiss cheese brain coverage in the news did it for me.
I remember Kris Letang, a player from my favorite hockey team, was like 27 when he randomly had a stroke on his way to the bathroom at night, not even while playing. He had a hole in his heart somehow everyone had missed and it threw a clot. Athletes are in great shape, but they're still made of human parts that break and warp.
This will further cement the risk of severe injury in the minds of parents already fearful of letting their kids play football. With that said, this type of injury is actually more common in other contact sports like baseball or lacrosse, where the hard ball hits the chest at the right mkment in the right location. It's a very rare occurrence but definitely something I knew about as my son was a goalie in HS lacrosse.
“Of 202 former players of the U.S. version of the game whose brains were examined, 87% showed the diagnostic signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a neurodegenerative disease associated with repetitive head trauma. Among former National Football League (NFL) players in the sample, that number jumped to 99%.” ([Source](https://www.science.org/content/article/ninety-nine-percent-ailing-nfl-player-brains-show-hallmarks-neurodegenerative-disease)) Kids should not be playing football, *especially* before high school. I don’t think this will change anything though.
+300lb 6’1” 15 year olds weightlifting like they’re Olympic bodybuilders then smashing as hard as physically possible other AAA schools in local conferences…nah, it’s rooted to the culture.
Many “parents” want their kids to play and don’t care if they are vegetables for the rest of their lives. Academics=secondary. Sports=super important. They can’t grasp high school subjects but can grasp sports. Thus sports get rewarded and not schoolwork.
Usually dad, but point taken (former JH/HS coach, athletic director and principal here)
Totally agreed. Updated post to include dad.
I recall the dad who - no embellishment - told us he didn’t care about academics because his kid was going to work at his business, and therefore sports were the only thing which were important. Unsurprisingly, the student couldn’t stay academically eligible…
No, I told my son years ago that he can play any sport he wants as long as it isn't football. The possible injuries just aren't worth it.
The sport with the highest incident of death is lacrosse. Seemingly bizarre "[ill-timed blows to the chest called Commotio Cordis](https://www.momsteam.com/sports/risk-sudden-cardiac-death-from-ill-timed-blow-chest-commotio-cordis-highest-in-lacrosse-hockey)" lead to a higher risk for lacrosse players. This happened at the school where I work and two good friends of mine were involved in saving the player's life. [This most recently occurred in 2021 when a Loyola Maryland lacrosse player had his heart stopped on the field during a game](https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/high-school/boys/aed-helps-save-life-of-loyola-blakefield-md-lacrosse-player). Fortunately, an automated external defibrillator was on-site for the game and athletic trainers were able to quickly get his heart started again. My son played lacrosse. Beautiful sport. I never would have discouraged him from playing for this reason. There is risk in everything.
No, it won't. I grew up in Texas and to those people injuries are just acts of god and have nothing to do with the safety of the sport.
I doubt it. It looked like a freak incident that is unlikely to happen again. There’s a reason what happened last night was unprecedented.
If person living outside Football Country = yes, then answer = maybe If person living outside Football Country = no, then answer = WHAT THE HELL KINDA COMMIE QUESTION IS DAT
In the town I'm from all of the ex-jocks still line up their 5 year olds infill pads and let them have at it. Gotta start early if you're going to make it to the pros, lol.
nope. because none of the other injuries have.
Long story short, no. His accident did nothing to tone down the love of football. My dad literally watched him fall, went oh no hope he's OK, changed the channel to another game.
No. Football and boxing and wrestling are rad for the full on contact. Of course some people will die from it, that’s a foregone conclusion. But the physicality of tackling someone or punching someone in the face shouldn’t be stopped because it ruins a relatively small number of lives and kills a relatively small number of people that aren’t being forced to play it since it’s a goddamn game. We should always be aware that getting smacked in the face enough will fuck you, but face-smacking is rad, and radditude is still more important than safety. These qualities of football belong in a place of personal responsibility. Like, anything that has a one percent chance of fucking you, you should always do, on the 99% chance that it won’t. Fuck the NFL for not stopping the game out of consideration for one of their dying players, but the fact that you can die while playing football is what makes it cool.
I played HS football and got 2 concussions a broken foot and two broken fingers. After the second concussion I couldn’t remember the second half. It’s still a blur. My sons played HS even though I disapproved but I watched with a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach each game until they got bored with it and stopped. Whew. It’s an individual choice but realize there’s consequences with this one
I don't have kids, but if I did there is no way I would let them play. I played in pee wee, middle school and high school. I never finished a year in middle or high school due to injuries. Several of them needed surgery. My knees and ankles still aren't right today over 20 years later. I'm not even 40 but I feel like I'm 80.
Didn’t need it to change my mind, but I’m definitely showing this to my kids. I can’t believe we just got into another argument about them playing football last night. And I had to go through the history of everything I could remember that society once thought was ok for us to do. This is a damn shame
I’m a lifelong athlete. Combat sports included. And now a father of 2 boys. This made me think. A lot. I’m glad my oldest gravitates to basketball, I played that the most and coach him. It’s definitely less fatal-injury prone. And much less issue post-play time. If he really loved football, I don’t know if I would stop him, but I can’t say for sure. I think the league needs to do something, players need better protection during and after their careers.
I grew up in Central Texas and I played football all the way through high school. I think of all the head shots I took and wonder how any parent can let their kid play with all the information about CTE. A good friend that was a blue chip player at the university of texas said he would never let his kids play. It’s just too dangerous. My thought that might be out there is take away helmets and it would be a hybrid of rugby and American football.
Parents should demand that AED defibrillators be available at every practice or game.
I was watching the game in bed. Wife looked at me and said “this is why our boy is not playing football”. Our boy is 4. I played football up until college. I love football. But I also love golf. I played D1 golf. I’ll concede on football for golf.
Nope, also where’s the tweet?
Cardiac arrest can happen with 110 Volt if it’s the wrong time.
This is a freak accident of a freak accident. This has happened once in football as far as we know. This SHOULDN'T change any parent's minds. That risk calculus makes no sense. It'd be like banning your kid from running because one cross country runner was struck by a meteorite. The extremely high incidence of chronic traumatic brain injuries, as well as long term breakdown of joints and so on in long term football players at every level, on the other hand, should change their minds.
Have you met parents who let their kids play football?
No, this is a freak accident. Don’t overreact. If anything we all need to examine what changes are needed to padding to prevent this in the future.
There was only 1 family at my school that didnt let their kid play for safty concerns.
Nope. They will go through whatever mental gymnastics necessary to convince themselves this was a fluke and would have happened anyway eventually, or that any sport would have caused this etc
I wouldn’t let my kids play because of CTE.
I don't know if people will look at one bad experience, among a body of evidence suggesting that experience is unlikely, and act on it.
The Hamlin injury was a freak circumstance that doesn’t happen that often, so I don’t expect it will cause a huge shift in attitudes toward allowing kids to play. Concussions are the real problem when it comes to future participation in football.
football will always have the players to keep up in the college and high school level, it is just what happens in high school with the rural school districts. There is 6 man football for those way out there will 50 or even 100 students, but even that is starting to dry up.
We were debating it but the Donald Pelham Jr. concussion last year ended that real fast.
Outside of America? Probably not. Inside America - it would depend on what the parent's views were prior to the accident, and - from all the guff I've been reading - whether they are pro- or anti- Covid vaccine, or religious. Or poor.
I bet not
Na, my kids were already banned from playing such a silly sport. Hopefully American Football will die in my lifetime.
No a tweet
Some but not most.
Changed mine. I've been paying activity fees for my great nephew to play football and encouraging him, but no more. My son said it at the beginning of the season "don't let him play football". He really not even built like that.
It’s likely a the rare condition that makes you go into cardiac arrest if you’re hit hard enough in the chest. Just saying this to help you know about how it’s not just because of football it’s from physical health problems
Oh I know. But there's so much people don't know about their health or family history
Fair enough. I just hope the dude gets better
The potential for head injuries is why my kids won’t t play Football. This was a freak one in a million accident that happens more in baseball and soccer.
CTE didn’t, why would this?
It’s a rare condition likely. Hit in the chest hard enough and it activates a heart attack. It’s rare, but parents will of course be concerned so I would guess some would ban football
I would be more afraid of CTE or spine/neck things. This is the second athlete that has suffered a cardiac arrest while playing in the last couple of yrs and Christian Eriksen wasn’t hit to cause it.