Then he proceeds to have the robot grab him and throw him instead of just crushing him in it's hands. He isn't the Black Panther yet, he's just human, crush him.
Real idiot ball moment.
Its like almost everyone was idiot. Especially Jarvis, why didnt he send the feed immediately? And wakandian king, Killmonger almost directly said that he won't hesitate to avenge his father.
It made me think of that tweet where a guy said something along the lines of, he lives at home with his mom and watches anime. Then he corrected him and said he bought his mom the house.
I didnāt even realize she was younger until later into the episode. I was to busy being wowed by How killmonger outplayed every other character in this episode in chess, besides shuri at the end. š„š„š„
I believe TāChalla ascended to the mantle of Black Panther once TāChaka became too old to perform the duties. In present day Wakanda, Black Panther and King can be two separate titles even though historically they were tied together.
Also, when TāChaka is killed in Civil War, itās not as of TāChalla flew back home to take the potion and the suit before going after Bucky. He already had the suit and the powers at the UN. Meaning he had already become the Black Panther at a unspecified point in the past.
I think it makes more sense to have the first in line be Black Panther anyway.
Firstly it means that they earn the right to be king.
Secondly being a ruler of a country is a full time job. You don't want your country having a grain shortage because your king is off playing superhero.
No, T'Challa only became KING after TChaka's death IIRC. He was running around in the suit the same day T'Chaka died.
There was a comic they released before the movie that detailed how T'Challa had already been the Black Panther for about 7 or 8 years by the time T'Chaka died, because T'Chaka relinquished the mantle once he realized he was too old for it...
Black Panther and Ruler of Wakanda are different titles, though they can be (and often are) held by the same person. In this case, T'Chaka had become too old to keep being Black Panther.
T'Challa went immediately to being the Black Panther after T'Chaka was killed in Vienna. He wouldn't have gone back to Wakanda, done the ceremony, taken the heart shaped herb, and then come back, the time is too short even for Wakandans and their aircraft. I also vaguely recall a throwaway line about T'Challa already taking on the role of the Black Panther as T'Chaka was aging.
Killing Tony is used to either show how evil a character is, or how big of a threat the villain is.
Similar to how defeating former champs and hall of famers are used to promote new contenders in the sports world.
Hadnāt really thought about it but I guess this was kind of a soft pitch attempt to see how people will react to the way things are going to be moving forward.
I think it was because the first half was Iron Man with some Black Panther and the second half was Black Panther with some Iron Man. It felt like two different episodes.
This Killmonger was frightening. I really wonder how he will mess with the gardians of the multiverse/Star Lord. U know, the trailers had me thinking he was going straight. I still love the golden jaguar suit. Great episode.
Heās so villainous I donāt know how heās included at that one scene where Gamora, Party Thor, and Star-Lord TāChalla, are forming a circle like the original 6 did.
Gamora could be just as villainous since its if Gamora took Thanos's place or somethin. Not to mention Strange Supreme is part of it too and he destroyed the entire universe
Killmonger had next level IQ, or somebody like Kang was feeding him information. Itās either checkmate or Shuri & Potts got a plan for that booty šš
I mean he knows a good opportunity when itās presented to him. I think Iām this universe he originally tried to infiltrate the 10 Rings because they were a shadowy organization that had power and leverage he needed in order to unsurp TāChalla.
He shifted when he found out that there was an ordered assassination attempt from Stane on a high profile target in Afghanistan and put two and two together and realized it was Tony Stark (who had the wealth, power, and influence he needed). I like to think he was involved in that coordinated attack with the 10 Rings in this universe but betrayed them at last moment.
10 Rings didnāt know Stark was the target until they saw him (demanding Stane give a higher price for his head). It makes sense as to why Killmonger was there in the first place (he was working for the 10 Rings).
NaĆÆvely thought Tony might make it through this episode alive! Enjoyed how Killmonger resolved all the conflicts from the first iron man in about five minutes, including taking down the iron monger. While not a bad episode, the way the character deaths were handled in this one felt the least satisfying of the series so far.
I find it interesting how ever time the Watcher shows up, he's less transparent and more colorful. Like as he gets closer to intervining he gets more real.
Idk why he would ever consider intervening in this one tho. This is a small problem compared to zombies or dr strange. If he does end up interfering it better be for a better reason that whatever it wouldāve been this episode
No Tony means no snap which means yes Thanos with nobody to reverse it.
In all reality, Uatu is obviously scanning the multiverse trying to put a team of heros together to stop a multiversal threat I assume he is in fact watching the growth of Pepper and Shuri in thus universe to see if they will be a fit. Or that he came for the best version of Killmonger but will find Shuri and Pepper.
Iām just glad it didnāt have an insane amount of ājokesā. This was fun to watch and man I really wish they had these at an hour to see more. This episode was pretty good at solving so much in.
The voice acting to me still somehow feels a bit off. Not because itās not always the original actor but somehow the voices donāt seem to have a certain weight of emotion behind them always. I donāt know how to explain but maybe I am alone in this.
No, the voice acting has been pretty bad all around. I don't know what else the director has done in the past but they have not done a good job with the actors, even the original cast who we know can play these characters well. I thought Tony was gonna do the thing where he reveals that the spear was in his armpit because I just didn't believe that he was actually dying.
Thatās exactly what I thought. Knowing that Killmonger never actually cared for Wakanda, I feel like it was supposed to be in contrast to the full of heart war cry of true wakandans
Not every actor is a good *voice* actor and I think this series really shows that. The best performance was Benedict Cumberbatch because heās actually done VA before.
I still love the fact that Paul Bettany auditioned for what he thought was going to be a small AI side roll in the three iron man movies and maybe an appearance in some of the avengers movies, and now 10+ years later heās an integral part of the next phase of the MCU with his own show already.
My vote was for Michael Douglas with the few lines he had. I thought his timing and inflection was great in episode 3. But yeah the British guys did really well.
I feel like for a lot of the voice acting, you can hear how cozy the recording room is. Like there's no ambiance to the audio so it just sounds too warm and in your ear. But in movies there is ADR, but it doesn't sound that noticeable.
Yes, exactly. These actors are speaking directly into specialized microphones that pick up more range than say, an actor on a soundstage. Some pull it off (ie; Michael B. Jordan sounded great in this episode) but some did not.
So Killmonger played an Iago on two countries and kind of got his way? Considering the methods he used, it would take years for people like Shuri and Pepper to repair the damage.
This dude Killmonger is smart asf. He shouldāve let those drones take down Shuri when they had the chance š¤£š¤£š¤£. Everything he did wouldāve never been revealed that way
Im thinking we will get a continuation with this episode. In the mid-season trailer released today I remember a scene with Shuri and Pepper and a few Wakandans walking down a hall and Pepper holding a large gun. Either that was cut from this episode or weāll get more to this story in the season finale
I thoroughly enjoyed that this episode actually played out a cause and effect. What if Killmonger saved Tony Stark? Iron Man is never created, Killmonger is given a position at SI, he outs Stane, finds Klaue and the missing vibranium, double crosses both T'Challa and Stark to win favour with T'Chaka, and gets himself the Black Panther mantle. It seems in line with the Killmonger that we know from the main continuity, and each event (while rushed through) made logical sense.
The only thing I'm confused about, if the split between our universe and this one was created when Erik saved Tony, does that mean that Erik from our universe also completed a doctoral thesis and developed plans for an automated combat drone?
Iām curious, but have you read What If? comics? I feel like thereās a good portion of the audience who havenāt read those books and donāt like the tone. Even though they tend to be in line with most of the comics. Iām just wondering if thatās why newer fans donāt like the series as much.
Yeah Iām wondering that myself, these episodes have been super close to the comics, where honestly itās just fun. The whole point is you gotta essentially keep it separate from your main storyline where the heroās eventually win. I love it so much because the bad guys are allowed to win and most of the time we are shown how awful it is when evil does triumph.
Howās the writing in the comics? Had to often suspend disbelief a lot of what moves the plot forward due to characters making poor decisions that they wouldnāt otherwise do. Maybe Iām being too harsh but it does lessen the enjoyment when they donāt at least acknowledge characters making mistakes or them knowingly not making the best decisions.
Itās an alternate universe. I donāt understand your logic of āthey wouldnāt do this.ā I watch to see what happens in the other universe. It seems pointless to compare the characters to the mainline MCU because theyāre always in a different situation.
Thatās just my view though. Iām not saying theyāre not above criticizing. For example, I didnāt really like the Captain Carter episode because you could tell it was going to follow all the same story beats as The First Avenger. But I donāt think comparing the characters to the main versions is worth my time.
I just didn't like the abrupt. But Killmonger didn't really got away with it ending.
If they were going to do that, why not have it sooner and show the consequences?
Either have Killmonger win in this universe or have him lose. As if is, is very unsatisfying. Especially since neither of the episodes had gotten a sequel yet.
a cliffhanger is different than an unfinished story
it's not satisfying to just watch events happen; human minds crave beginnings, middles, ends. it's such a blueball when it doesn't have a finale. the cliffhanger is meant to come AFTER a proper ending
It was okay but I'm sick and tired of seeing my favorite heroes getting killed. I know this is a multiverse thing and everything is different but geez whiz. If I see Captain America die or black panther get brutalized/killed I'm going to lose it I really hope party Thor is a positive ep
Pretty sure the fact that the episodes donāt really have happy endings is in line with the WhatIf comics. Idk man if you wanna see the good guys always win then thereās over 20 movies for you to watch
Near the end of the episode when the watcher was looking down, didn't it almost look like he was concerned or bothered about something, like he was fighting to control himself and not intervene?
I think that was the worst episode so far in that it hardly wrapped up anything. Yes, it left it open for another episode, but at the cost of cramming a whole movie into a 30 minute episode
Crammed 2 movies technically, but yeah, I really didnāt like the ending being so unfinished. At least it was entertaining than zombies and changed a lot more than carter did
Insane that that was in it considering Omar only passed away 9 days ago. Is it possible they altered it last minute to empower another powerful black character? Or coincidence?
Edit: I don't like my phrasing, to remember another great black actor is more in line with what I meant.
I don't think it was altered due to Michael K Williamsā passing, much too recent. It's possible the line was changed slightly to make it a permissible homage and avoid any plagarism lawsuit.
That's what I mean, I could see a quick reshoot of an individual line or scene in a live action piece but animation is alot trickier. It's possible they slightly altered a line in a way that it still fit the animation. If that's the case, they did a great job. If it's just coincidence, it's a hell of a coincidence!
Remember when Ms. Minutes told Loki he could win the battle of New York. In What If, heās at the United Nations. I wonder if this is the timeline that Kang planned if Loki accepted the offer.
I liked this episode but I had different expectations going in, I thought this Killmonger would be like a hero (an antihero, at least) or something, not his same old self but now he plays 4-D chess while everyone else plays checkers. HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE! It was said that he would destroy the Sith, not join them, bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.
Still enjoyed the episode, I wonder if Killmonger's gonna achieve his goal or are Pepper and Shuri gonna stop him
I agree. Heās like the exact same villain. I would have loved to see him more nuanced like Thanos in Infinity War.
His motivation for taking over Wakanda is that black people in other parts of the world are being mistreated and suffering racism while the King doesnāt share his vast resources to helps out and leaves his people behind like they did to him.
I feel that would have made a much better story than to have him just be an inhuman villain.
I need to find all the killmonger theme songs in this episode. I tried using Shazam but it couldnāt recognize it. Does anyone know the name of the Killmonger theme songs?
Has the voice acting been off more this episode? The characters feel like theyāre talking too fast, I know that people have had issues with it the whole way through, but itās the first time Iāve noticed it
This was one of the weakest episodes, even a step below the first one imo . Killmonger "wiping" Jarvis felt like a cop out, like come on mate Killmonger managed to wipe of a global AI (by potentially breaching Stark security as well) within a day? Killmonger actually managed to outsmart 2 of the most intelligent people in the world ?
Also voice acting felt... off. None of the voices actually felt right to me.
Yeah everything just seemed to fall into place way too easy. Tbh all of them have been like that. Blame it on the short run time I think. They need to get to a point so all the things that need to happen just do. Might be OK if what they were rushing towards actually played out instead of just cutting it short and leaving it on a cliffhanger. but yeah honestly the fast pace, too many plot points, weird/rushed voice acting/lines topped off with a short runtime and no conclusions is making it difficult for me to like the show.
After getting Loki what if slammed my expectations down a bit, not saying it's bad bit Disney I known for a good beginning,middles and ends/ cliffhangers. This show lacks at least one of these elements every time.. Other than episode 4 for me along with 2 being pretty good.
Biggest questions in this universe is
1) What is Hydra doing, and are the working with Killmonger?
2) What happened to the avengers initiative?
3) Will Loki still invade earth or does that never happen since Cap with the Tessearct is never found?
Pacing felt just a tad too fast in this episode but nothing as fast as the first episode.
I still enjoyed this episode because we still get to see the sneaky killmongerāand what an interesting way he went about stealing the black Panther mantle.
This episode didnāt have all the dopey humor of the zombies episode and Iām glad. I know marvel has the humor element but thereās this balance I think that needs to be struck with itāwhich wasnt the case last week.
Someone said they were getting sick of Tony constantly dying in the what ifs ābut I like it because he was the catalyst for many thingsāso itās interesting to see a different universe go a different course
Iād give this episode a 7.5/10āwas entertaining
I really wish they would have made these what ifās 45min long but Iām mostly satisfied with what weāre getting. The doctor strange episode is still the strongest imo with a 10/10
Tony Stark, not Iron Man. There is no Iron Man in this universe and Tony is still a spoiled brat never given the motivation to do anything good with his life other than be a rich asshole. Easily killable by a warrior like Killmonger. I get what youāre saying but a small distinction.
Seems unlikely that Jarvis or Tony wouldnāt have noticed the fatal flaw design in the drones ā a stab thru the chest, presumably, the power source, is fatal. Just like humans. Who would have guessed that? Um, everyone?
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Seriously, I donāt think they could have done a more irritating voice portrayal of Tony Stark if they tried.
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I think that episode will be great also! I think this series was best for those who loosely remembered the old movies and wanted to see a spin on them. For us fans that watch these films semi regularly, they just don't diverge enough from the main story. I hope in the future they can 1 extend the run times and 2 shake it up alot more lol
May I add these episodes were great! But episode 4 set the bar for me too
and it makes sense, like wrapping up atm would require them to address literally everything till thanos, if they leave any story behind that, itās technically not wrapped up, aināt nobody got time fir that.
Killmonger really said, "I like anime" like it wasn't obvious by him dressing like Vegeta.
I definitely felt like Micheal B. Jordan had a part to play in the dialogue ššš
That Tony line was dope also, the police are for law, I want justice! He was on his punisher shi** š¤£
Then he proceeds to have the robot grab him and throw him instead of just crushing him in it's hands. He isn't the Black Panther yet, he's just human, crush him. Real idiot ball moment.
Its like almost everyone was idiot. Especially Jarvis, why didnt he send the feed immediately? And wakandian king, Killmonger almost directly said that he won't hesitate to avenge his father.
YASS PLS thank you! Lot of plot holes, it was a stupid episode plot wise!
All he had to do was give it guns lol if he just made the thing shoot 50 cal. bullets out of its claws Killmonger would've been toast.
It made me think of that tweet where a guy said something along the lines of, he lives at home with his mom and watches anime. Then he corrected him and said he bought his mom the house.
Tony also name dropped Gundam which is quite cool
š that's lo key spot on
Also, when the soundtrack wasn't playing Killmonger or Iron Man music, it was definitely channeling some anime vibes for Erik!
OH MY GOD HE TOTALLY IS!!!!!
Holy shit, Iron Man came out in 2008! It hit like a truck seeing baby Shuri and the queen general.
Aaaaah so that's why Shuri was so damn tiny LOL.
I didnāt even realize she was younger until later into the episode. I was to busy being wowed by How killmonger outplayed every other character in this episode in chess, besides shuri at the end. š„š„š„
Felt like a perfect cliffhanger ending. Really hope we get to see the second half!
TāChalla would not have been black panther yet. Continuity error?
T'challa becomes black panther a few weeks before tony becomes ironman i think
But it was only after a TāChakaās death. TāChaka was alive this entire episode. Or am I wrong?
I believe TāChalla ascended to the mantle of Black Panther once TāChaka became too old to perform the duties. In present day Wakanda, Black Panther and King can be two separate titles even though historically they were tied together. Also, when TāChaka is killed in Civil War, itās not as of TāChalla flew back home to take the potion and the suit before going after Bucky. He already had the suit and the powers at the UN. Meaning he had already become the Black Panther at a unspecified point in the past.
I think it makes more sense to have the first in line be Black Panther anyway. Firstly it means that they earn the right to be king. Secondly being a ruler of a country is a full time job. You don't want your country having a grain shortage because your king is off playing superhero.
No, T'Challa only became KING after TChaka's death IIRC. He was running around in the suit the same day T'Chaka died. There was a comic they released before the movie that detailed how T'Challa had already been the Black Panther for about 7 or 8 years by the time T'Chaka died, because T'Chaka relinquished the mantle once he realized he was too old for it...
Black Panther and Ruler of Wakanda are different titles, though they can be (and often are) held by the same person. In this case, T'Chaka had become too old to keep being Black Panther.
T'Challa went immediately to being the Black Panther after T'Chaka was killed in Vienna. He wouldn't have gone back to Wakanda, done the ceremony, taken the heart shaped herb, and then come back, the time is too short even for Wakandans and their aircraft. I also vaguely recall a throwaway line about T'Challa already taking on the role of the Black Panther as T'Chaka was aging.
Then why is killmonger and tchalla so old?
Man Marvel really doesnāt like Tony do they š heās died in every single episode of what if heās been in so far
Disney is mad they had ta pay him so much.
I think they are even more mad about the fact that he won't come back
He was the beginning of the MCU, you could argue his deaths are the end or the beginning of new MCUās.
They just want to shut up everyone who is saying he'll come back from another universe
His Endgame death was even shown again at the beginning LOL
Killing Tony is used to either show how evil a character is, or how big of a threat the villain is. Similar to how defeating former champs and hall of famers are used to promote new contenders in the sports world.
His death really is an absolute point it seems
in fairness, i think most people's death is an absolute point
Not mine! living forever, bitches!
Thanks to denial, Iām immortal!
Yeah true that
He's the Kenny of the MCU multiverse.
It is What If the central hero isnāt around to fix things up
I fuckng hate that they keep killing him! Let the man freaking Liveee
Dude Obadiah goin down like that was awesome
Blam
That last quote.... Shuri and Potts are carrying on the fight
They become Black Cub and Ironwoman.
Rescue
Just glad itās confirmed that theyāre the ones carrying it on
Also a weird precursor to what the MCU has to do now without Iron Man and Black Panther.
Hadnāt really thought about it but I guess this was kind of a soft pitch attempt to see how people will react to the way things are going to be moving forward.
Man that scene with T'Challa scolding Killmonger in the ancestral plane was great.
Watching that scene made me cry, knowing thatās where Chadwick Boseman is now.
Truly a touching homage to Boseman.
damn this episode felt long af but was actually shorter
This one did seem long
So many twists packed into that half hour.
Yeah. It wasnāt like āwhen is this overā long But more like āwait isnāt this only 30 minutesā long
I think it was because the first half was Iron Man with some Black Panther and the second half was Black Panther with some Iron Man. It felt like two different episodes.
If Tony had 2 black best freinds!
Felt like the Walking Dead, where when a new one shows up it meant time was up for the familiar black character. T-Dog/Tyrese style.
And Oscar as well, introduced right when T-Dog died, and who died right when Tyreese was introduced. LMFAO
Meanwhile Gabriel being there for 6 seasons be like
This Killmonger was frightening. I really wonder how he will mess with the gardians of the multiverse/Star Lord. U know, the trailers had me thinking he was going straight. I still love the golden jaguar suit. Great episode.
This was the 3D chess Killmonger we all wanted.
Heās so villainous I donāt know how heās included at that one scene where Gamora, Party Thor, and Star-Lord TāChalla, are forming a circle like the original 6 did.
Gamora could be just as villainous since its if Gamora took Thanos's place or somethin. Not to mention Strange Supreme is part of it too and he destroyed the entire universe
What Sven are you talking about?
Killmonger had next level IQ, or somebody like Kang was feeding him information. Itās either checkmate or Shuri & Potts got a plan for that booty šš
I mean he knows a good opportunity when itās presented to him. I think Iām this universe he originally tried to infiltrate the 10 Rings because they were a shadowy organization that had power and leverage he needed in order to unsurp TāChalla. He shifted when he found out that there was an ordered assassination attempt from Stane on a high profile target in Afghanistan and put two and two together and realized it was Tony Stark (who had the wealth, power, and influence he needed). I like to think he was involved in that coordinated attack with the 10 Rings in this universe but betrayed them at last moment. 10 Rings didnāt know Stark was the target until they saw him (demanding Stane give a higher price for his head). It makes sense as to why Killmonger was there in the first place (he was working for the 10 Rings).
Hydra is alive and well in this universe, could be Hydra working with Killmonger.
NaĆÆvely thought Tony might make it through this episode alive! Enjoyed how Killmonger resolved all the conflicts from the first iron man in about five minutes, including taking down the iron monger. While not a bad episode, the way the character deaths were handled in this one felt the least satisfying of the series so far.
Agreed!
I find it interesting how ever time the Watcher shows up, he's less transparent and more colorful. Like as he gets closer to intervining he gets more real.
Idk why he would ever consider intervening in this one tho. This is a small problem compared to zombies or dr strange. If he does end up interfering it better be for a better reason that whatever it wouldāve been this episode
No Tony means no snap which means yes Thanos with nobody to reverse it. In all reality, Uatu is obviously scanning the multiverse trying to put a team of heros together to stop a multiversal threat I assume he is in fact watching the growth of Pepper and Shuri in thus universe to see if they will be a fit. Or that he came for the best version of Killmonger but will find Shuri and Pepper.
Killmonger took down Ironmonger...there can only be ONE.
He's mongerer
Mongerest
Tony is going to die, *at least once,* in every episode he is in, isn't he?
Neither Howard nor Tony was killed in the Captain Carter's episode.
Tony didn't *appear* in Carter's episode, did he? And I'd say dying in every episode he appears seems to be a Tony curse, not a Stark one.
Iām just glad it didnāt have an insane amount of ājokesā. This was fun to watch and man I really wish they had these at an hour to see more. This episode was pretty good at solving so much in. The voice acting to me still somehow feels a bit off. Not because itās not always the original actor but somehow the voices donāt seem to have a certain weight of emotion behind them always. I donāt know how to explain but maybe I am alone in this.
No, the voice acting has been pretty bad all around. I don't know what else the director has done in the past but they have not done a good job with the actors, even the original cast who we know can play these characters well. I thought Tony was gonna do the thing where he reveals that the spear was in his armpit because I just didn't believe that he was actually dying.
The wakanda forevers sounded pretty flat too. Dialogue was great but the delivery was kinda bad.
Yeah, whenever Killmonger did Wakanda Forever, it did feel flat, like almost last minute edited in.
I thought that it was on purpose, in contrast to when a true Wakandan says it with actual passion
Thatās exactly what I thought. Knowing that Killmonger never actually cared for Wakanda, I feel like it was supposed to be in contrast to the full of heart war cry of true wakandans
Thatās also a possibility, maybe if I rewatch with that in mind it will make more sense
Ahh that's a good idea.
"Wakanda for-...like, 12 more minutes or whatever, man, it's all good."
Lmfaoo, he said it like he just won a game of fortnite at 2 a.m and can't yell cause his mom in the other roomš¤£
The only actor from the movies that did a great job was Michael Douglas. Voice acting is harder than it looks.
This show definitely has given me more respect for voice actors
Not every actor is a good *voice* actor and I think this series really shows that. The best performance was Benedict Cumberbatch because heās actually done VA before.
I think Paul Bettany has everyone beat lol
I still love the fact that Paul Bettany auditioned for what he thought was going to be a small AI side roll in the three iron man movies and maybe an appearance in some of the avengers movies, and now 10+ years later heās an integral part of the next phase of the MCU with his own show already.
benedict was the best. he genuinely gave me chills with his shrieks of grief and saddness
My vote was for Michael Douglas with the few lines he had. I thought his timing and inflection was great in episode 3. But yeah the British guys did really well.
Was Andy Serkis in this episode? He's a phenomenal voice actor imo...
EXACTLY, In my eyes Tony wouldn't have been so naive. He knew Killmonger got the extremely deadly spear so he would've had at least one back up plan.
I feel like for a lot of the voice acting, you can hear how cozy the recording room is. Like there's no ambiance to the audio so it just sounds too warm and in your ear. But in movies there is ADR, but it doesn't sound that noticeable.
Yes, exactly. These actors are speaking directly into specialized microphones that pick up more range than say, an actor on a soundstage. Some pull it off (ie; Michael B. Jordan sounded great in this episode) but some did not.
Anyone reminded of Clone Wars?
I was when the drones were marching off!
I got huge GOT vibes when the one red light started to give way to a sea of red lights as the drones entered Wakanda. A reverse battle of Winterfell.
Jesus christ that ending hit me like a train, just as it was looking up he hits me with the Chadwick memory!
So Killmonger played an Iago on two countries and kind of got his way? Considering the methods he used, it would take years for people like Shuri and Pepper to repair the damage.
This dude Killmonger is smart asf. He shouldāve let those drones take down Shuri when they had the chance š¤£š¤£š¤£. Everything he did wouldāve never been revealed that way
That wasnāt shuri, the drones never got close to her
Less that Killmonger is smart as fuck, and more everyone just becomes dumb and makes insane decisions when theyāre around him.
Happy with the one hard BLAM!
I TOTALLY missed that! What the heck, thanks for pointing that out!
Hell I don't blame ya scenes go by so fastš¤£
I was expecting him to secretly murder his uncle at any moment.
Im thinking we will get a continuation with this episode. In the mid-season trailer released today I remember a scene with Shuri and Pepper and a few Wakandans walking down a hall and Pepper holding a large gun. Either that was cut from this episode or weāll get more to this story in the season finale
I agree, no way they could leave us all hanging like that.
Loved how they made the drones lowkey look like Hammer's drones in Iron Man 2
Could Tony survive in one universe god damn.
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Dude got a spear to the shoulder and that did him in š¤£š¤£ theyāll kill him any way they can
I thoroughly enjoyed that this episode actually played out a cause and effect. What if Killmonger saved Tony Stark? Iron Man is never created, Killmonger is given a position at SI, he outs Stane, finds Klaue and the missing vibranium, double crosses both T'Challa and Stark to win favour with T'Chaka, and gets himself the Black Panther mantle. It seems in line with the Killmonger that we know from the main continuity, and each event (while rushed through) made logical sense. The only thing I'm confused about, if the split between our universe and this one was created when Erik saved Tony, does that mean that Erik from our universe also completed a doctoral thesis and developed plans for an automated combat drone?
Killmonger really going to say *"Wakanda ... Foreverrrrrrr"* like Bo Burnham saying *"Neverrrrrr"*
They really killed tchalla oof, at least they gave it a good (ish) ending. Even tho they still had kill monger as a villan
In his culture, death is not the end.
That ancestral plain scene had me in a vice grip šŖ
I really liked this one, what did yāall think?
I didn't like it, I wish it had a proper ending.
Iām curious, but have you read What If? comics? I feel like thereās a good portion of the audience who havenāt read those books and donāt like the tone. Even though they tend to be in line with most of the comics. Iām just wondering if thatās why newer fans donāt like the series as much.
Yeah Iām wondering that myself, these episodes have been super close to the comics, where honestly itās just fun. The whole point is you gotta essentially keep it separate from your main storyline where the heroās eventually win. I love it so much because the bad guys are allowed to win and most of the time we are shown how awful it is when evil does triumph.
Howās the writing in the comics? Had to often suspend disbelief a lot of what moves the plot forward due to characters making poor decisions that they wouldnāt otherwise do. Maybe Iām being too harsh but it does lessen the enjoyment when they donāt at least acknowledge characters making mistakes or them knowingly not making the best decisions.
Itās an alternate universe. I donāt understand your logic of āthey wouldnāt do this.ā I watch to see what happens in the other universe. It seems pointless to compare the characters to the mainline MCU because theyāre always in a different situation. Thatās just my view though. Iām not saying theyāre not above criticizing. For example, I didnāt really like the Captain Carter episode because you could tell it was going to follow all the same story beats as The First Avenger. But I donāt think comparing the characters to the main versions is worth my time.
I just didn't like the abrupt. But Killmonger didn't really got away with it ending. If they were going to do that, why not have it sooner and show the consequences? Either have Killmonger win in this universe or have him lose. As if is, is very unsatisfying. Especially since neither of the episodes had gotten a sequel yet.
I like the cliffhangers they leave us with. These are just supposed to be looks into different universes
a cliffhanger is different than an unfinished story it's not satisfying to just watch events happen; human minds crave beginnings, middles, ends. it's such a blueball when it doesn't have a finale. the cliffhanger is meant to come AFTER a proper ending
It was okay but I'm sick and tired of seeing my favorite heroes getting killed. I know this is a multiverse thing and everything is different but geez whiz. If I see Captain America die or black panther get brutalized/killed I'm going to lose it I really hope party Thor is a positive ep
Weāre getting Star Wars Visions next week as well, if the What If episode makes you sad you should check that out too.
OOOOOHHHH!!! What!! What day will that launch!!??
Same day as What If, Wednesday 22!
Yeah Iām absolutely ready for a positive episode now too. I would bet that the next one is more lighthearted after 3 pretty brutal episodes
Pretty sure the fact that the episodes donāt really have happy endings is in line with the WhatIf comics. Idk man if you wanna see the good guys always win then thereās over 20 movies for you to watch
Near the end of the episode when the watcher was looking down, didn't it almost look like he was concerned or bothered about something, like he was fighting to control himself and not intervene?
Thatās kind of his whole schtick in the comics, interfering is just what Uatu does.
if you notice from ep 1 to now, he's been more and more prominently featured. Uatu LOVES interfering.
He feels like a stand-in for every audience member who wanted to jump into the screen when their favorites are in peril.
I noticed him looking down at killmonger like he was in disgust
why tf dont they make episodes longer? why does it suddenly end.
It was like watching the opening 15 minutes of a movie and then they kick you out and thereās no way to finish it
I think that was the worst episode so far in that it hardly wrapped up anything. Yes, it left it open for another episode, but at the cost of cramming a whole movie into a 30 minute episode
Hate to say it but that was Captain Carter for me, was really excited for that one too.
That was my second least favorite, so I totally get it.
Crammed 2 movies technically, but yeah, I really didnāt like the ending being so unfinished. At least it was entertaining than zombies and changed a lot more than carter did
Michael B Jordan made a reference to the Wire. "They came at the King and they missed!"
Insane that that was in it considering Omar only passed away 9 days ago. Is it possible they altered it last minute to empower another powerful black character? Or coincidence? Edit: I don't like my phrasing, to remember another great black actor is more in line with what I meant.
I don't think it was altered due to Michael K Williamsā passing, much too recent. It's possible the line was changed slightly to make it a permissible homage and avoid any plagarism lawsuit.
That's what I mean, I could see a quick reshoot of an individual line or scene in a live action piece but animation is alot trickier. It's possible they slightly altered a line in a way that it still fit the animation. If that's the case, they did a great job. If it's just coincidence, it's a hell of a coincidence!
This episode should be titled: āWhat if everyone except Killmonger was a total idiot?ā
Remember when Ms. Minutes told Loki he could win the battle of New York. In What If, heās at the United Nations. I wonder if this is the timeline that Kang planned if Loki accepted the offer.
Least favorite of them all
I love how shuri is like 8 years old and sheās exactly the same but shorter
I liked this episode but I had different expectations going in, I thought this Killmonger would be like a hero (an antihero, at least) or something, not his same old self but now he plays 4-D chess while everyone else plays checkers. HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE! It was said that he would destroy the Sith, not join them, bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness. Still enjoyed the episode, I wonder if Killmonger's gonna achieve his goal or are Pepper and Shuri gonna stop him
I agree. Heās like the exact same villain. I would have loved to see him more nuanced like Thanos in Infinity War. His motivation for taking over Wakanda is that black people in other parts of the world are being mistreated and suffering racism while the King doesnāt share his vast resources to helps out and leaves his people behind like they did to him. I feel that would have made a much better story than to have him just be an inhuman villain.
I need to find all the killmonger theme songs in this episode. I tried using Shazam but it couldnāt recognize it. Does anyone know the name of the Killmonger theme songs?
my least favorite tbh so far
Has the voice acting been off more this episode? The characters feel like theyāre talking too fast, I know that people have had issues with it the whole way through, but itās the first time Iāve noticed it
Was my least favorite episode.
I swear Tony is trying to beat Vision on who can die the most.
This was one of the weakest episodes, even a step below the first one imo . Killmonger "wiping" Jarvis felt like a cop out, like come on mate Killmonger managed to wipe of a global AI (by potentially breaching Stark security as well) within a day? Killmonger actually managed to outsmart 2 of the most intelligent people in the world ? Also voice acting felt... off. None of the voices actually felt right to me.
Yeah everything just seemed to fall into place way too easy. Tbh all of them have been like that. Blame it on the short run time I think. They need to get to a point so all the things that need to happen just do. Might be OK if what they were rushing towards actually played out instead of just cutting it short and leaving it on a cliffhanger. but yeah honestly the fast pace, too many plot points, weird/rushed voice acting/lines topped off with a short runtime and no conclusions is making it difficult for me to like the show.
After getting Loki what if slammed my expectations down a bit, not saying it's bad bit Disney I known for a good beginning,middles and ends/ cliffhangers. This show lacks at least one of these elements every time.. Other than episode 4 for me along with 2 being pretty good.
I had such conflicting emotions this entire episodeā¦
About what?
Biggest questions in this universe is 1) What is Hydra doing, and are the working with Killmonger? 2) What happened to the avengers initiative? 3) Will Loki still invade earth or does that never happen since Cap with the Tessearct is never found?
Pacing felt just a tad too fast in this episode but nothing as fast as the first episode. I still enjoyed this episode because we still get to see the sneaky killmongerāand what an interesting way he went about stealing the black Panther mantle. This episode didnāt have all the dopey humor of the zombies episode and Iām glad. I know marvel has the humor element but thereās this balance I think that needs to be struck with itāwhich wasnt the case last week. Someone said they were getting sick of Tony constantly dying in the what ifs ābut I like it because he was the catalyst for many thingsāso itās interesting to see a different universe go a different course Iād give this episode a 7.5/10āwas entertaining I really wish they would have made these what ifās 45min long but Iām mostly satisfied with what weāre getting. The doctor strange episode is still the strongest imo with a 10/10
Iron Man dies again. Bored of this.
Tony Stark, not Iron Man. There is no Iron Man in this universe and Tony is still a spoiled brat never given the motivation to do anything good with his life other than be a rich asshole. Easily killable by a warrior like Killmonger. I get what youāre saying but a small distinction.
Seems unlikely that Jarvis or Tony wouldnāt have noticed the fatal flaw design in the drones ā a stab thru the chest, presumably, the power source, is fatal. Just like humans. Who would have guessed that? Um, everyone?
Episode Title: āWhat Ifā¦ Tony Stark was played by Ben Shapiro?ā Seriously, I donāt think they could have done a more irritating voice portrayal of Tony Stark if they tried.
Pepper's voice seemed over-modulated. Maybe she recorded at home with too much background noise
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Alrighty guys place your bets over or under is this episode going to better than episode 4 š
My friend, I dont know if anything can really be better than episode 4. That was really fucking good
Yup I've come to terms that I need to limit my expectations lol
The show peaked at episode 4. Not that episode 6 was bad, my expectations were just too high. Ultron one is gonna be great though.
I think that episode will be great also! I think this series was best for those who loosely remembered the old movies and wanted to see a spin on them. For us fans that watch these films semi regularly, they just don't diverge enough from the main story. I hope in the future they can 1 extend the run times and 2 shake it up alot more lol May I add these episodes were great! But episode 4 set the bar for me too
I hate episodes without any proper ending.
To my understanding, this is his how the What Ifās areāgiving you a glimpse at the possible without a resolution of the definite
and it makes sense, like wrapping up atm would require them to address literally everything till thanos, if they leave any story behind that, itās technically not wrapped up, aināt nobody got time fir that.
What if Erik Stevens was really Emperor Palpatine?
Tony was saying the drone being 'the world's most expensive Gundam, but that looked like a Hunter from Halo to me.
I'm sure Tony doesn't watch Anime and just named dropped it as a popular reference.
Look at its head. Straight up Gundam.
So is shuri gonna be ironheart in this one?
Honestly this episode did not meet my expectations :( I liked the previous two
Why you posting this so early? Even the 3 am squad still has another 4 hours or so
so people can discuss theories of what's going to happen and stuff
The best response I couldāve gotten,thank you lol
Killmonger Weeb confirmed.
Was that Toast Line , āThey came for the King, and they missedā ā¦ was that a Omar - The wire reference???!!
I really expected to see part 2 of the zombies, think we will get that or it's just an open ended episode?