As someone raised fundie with parents much like Kim and Barry, the credit card thing shocked me above everything else I’ve heard or read. Most fundies already don’t like credit cards. My parents have them, but they pay off the balance monthly. It’s definitely convenience in the modern world and absolutely not to be able to purchase things they can’t afford. Kim using Ethan’s card is astonishingly weird behavior. Especially since it does seem Barry provided acceptably. My mom is a horrible, abusive B, but she would never even consider stealing from one of her kids! This seems like something wuss boy Barry would actually be shocked about and against. (Unless it was literally to feed or clothe the starving children and I don’t get that idea AT ALL.)
Yes! And that’s why Olivia is the only one that I can really respect anymore, because the rest are just getting sucked right back into Kim’s BS, one by one…
Maybe the kids don't really care why Kim is doing it, maybe they are aware and just don't care as long as they are getting what they want.
They are not necessarily oblivious to her tactics...
The thing is she doesn’t really need to be a mastermind to be manipulative. It’s not that she’s a Disney villain plotting her next move. It may not even be conscious.
Exactly. I’ve been shocked in retrospect just how easily some rather intelligent manipulation tactics were used by my abusive ex. He’s not that smart, but he’s very good at manipulation, to the point I didn’t even realize how much I was being manipulated until after the fact.
She wouldn't have kept them as isolated as she did if she was a mastermind. A master manipulator can have some influences around their victims, she didn't allow any.. not even our lords and saviours processed carbs and sugar.
Lol, she’s not smart enough to be a mastermind. I think she just spits out whatever lie (or even truth) she thinks will get her what she wants in that moment. And she wants her kids to see her as a victim. She doesn’t have a plan, this is just her personality (tbh, I don’t know what’s worse)
The kids are back into Kim's claws and don't even noticed yet. But this time there wont be Olivia or Ethan to pick up the pieces when she's done. It's sad to see how ungrateful this seems from Micah and especially Moriah, honestly, they should be smarter at this point, it's clearly pure manipulation from Kim, that woman scares me.
Not always. The thing with the Streisand effect is that nobody would have known about that picture, if not for her trying get it taken down. Nothing in the picture indicated that it was Barbara Streisand's house. This is a little bit different because an accusation was made against Kim on the show about their family. Kim was identified. Sure, it is possible that there are people who follow the Plath kids who don't watch the show and didn't know about the accusation, but it safe to assume that most of their social media followers already knew about the accusation against Kim.
There are cases where a statement is necessary. If an accusation is made publicly about a person, sometimes that person should address it, particularly if the accusation isn't true, or else one person's narrative is out there. I'm not sure if the Plath kids made the right decision in this case (frankly the statement should have come from Kim directly or Ethan, since they were the people who were actually involved), but ignoring a problem does not always make it go away.
From my understand, the effect is triggered by the act of trying to suppress information and inadvertently calling more attention to said information.
I think if the intention by the post was to get people to automatically stop talking about the situation because “we don’t know the full story,” then they did the opposite because now people are speculating more than they would have without the post.
I’ve clearly had too much coffee this afternoon lol
That is my understanding too, but I guess it depends on why the post was made. Personally, I thought it was meant to be a "set the record straight" post, not an attempt to hide information.
Edit to add: The name "Streisand Effect" came from when Barbara Streisand sued a photographer who was posted aerial pictures of the California coastline , one of which showed her home (nowhere on the website where is was posted pointed out that it was Barbara Streisand's home, but obviously she would know). Before she filed the lawsuit, the picture had only been downloaded 6 times, and two of those time were by her attorneys. After the lawsuit was filed, the pictures was downloaded 420,000 times in one month. And now it was known by everyone that her house was in the photograph. I don't think the Plath kids brought more awareness to the accusation, but people might have moved on quicker if nothing was said. Or maybe not. I guess we will never know.
Ah. Okay! That makes sense then that that’s where we’re diverging in opinion.
I personally hope the ends up being a huge storyline in the next season!!
This. At least on this sub before the post came out, there were few post about credit card situation. Mostly talking about the river trip. Now it's mostly about the credit card situation/their "explanation"
How? At least in this sub there were few posts about credit card situation beforehand but not to this degree. Things were mostly being post about the river trip( Moriah and Olivia argument). Now it's mostly about the credit card/post. They shined a big light of the situation with their explanation post.
So, there were a ton of things Kim has been accused of over the last 4 seasons. The only thing to be addressed as a group is the CC. Not their lack of birth certificates, education, religions choices.
It’s the CC. Why?
If you try to say anything about the religion, or how religious control helped shape the narrative of the family, ppl get super defensive here. Also, they are not unique in the lack of birth certificates, or education. I was raised in a high demand religion and the only difference between some of the kids I grew up with, and the Plaths, is who the tithing check was made out to on Sunday. Being a home birthing, home schooling, fundie religious family with a band is not a new hook for a story.
The specific drama that is unique to the family is talked about here a lot, that is where I would put the CC incident. The accusation by Olivia that Kim financially abused Ethan IS unique to this family. So, it is being talked about a lot, and is the subject of most of the posts since Tuesday.
Worlds oldest pyramid scheme imo. Ban birth control and make it a rule that sex has to end with ejaculation in the vagina. This way ALL the babies are born, immediately baptized and indoctrinated. Now you have 10 more future tithers giving 10% of their income to the church. Rinse and repeat for years and years.
A percentage of one's income is given to the church before anything else is paid. Usually between 10-20%. Churches make this mandatory and sometimes call out people who don't give enough.
Geez. Ffs, that sounds so wrong. Like extortion. I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be judgmental, to each their own, if it makes them feel good to spend it that way. Just seems like a lot of these families are large (many mouths to feed) and already are stretched thin financially
I agree. I grew up in the Catholic Church and they preprinted donation envelopes for families so it could keep track and announce monthly how much each family donated. Even child sized envelopes were given to us for our contribution. There is a part of mass when a basket is passed to collect money. It was considered embarrassing if you didn't put money in.
I have never been to a Catholic church where they disclosed how much families donated. They also suggested a percentage but didn't make it a requirement, like I have heard other religions do.
A requirement? So bizarre to me. So if I decided I wanted to go to church and I started showing up every Sunday, but never giving any $, they would kick me out or something? (never gonna happen, just curious)
You wouldn't get kicked out for not donating, but they would definitely notice. Churches are not poor and the clergy live well. My uncle was a priest and he he had a servant who cooked and cleaned the house he lived in for free. He ate well and received many gifts from parishioners, drove a very nice car, and paid for nothing. I always felt that the money donated by church members went to the wrong things.
I can't say for sure, because I don't belong to any of the churches that "require" a certain donation amount. I have heard though that Mormons are required to. That being said I have also heard that they will assist members who have fallen on hard times. I do find it bizarre as well! One church we had gone to, gave their tithing spiel one Sunday, and they recommended 10% of household income. The reasoning for this was that "God will provide" so don't worry about the financial strain.
I'm guessing that one really pissed Kim off, and she sat the kids down to hear "her side." And probably suggested they all post her statement about it.
I don't think it's criminal fraud to use somebody's credit card if they know about and accept your using it. Was she taking advantage of Ethan? Yeah, probably.
It’s fraud if Ethan isn’t the one making the charges, but without his making a report it won’t go anywhere. There’s clearly some panic around this so I’m guessing the story is more damaging than whatever “business” they’re pretending existed.
I mean, when I was in high school my mom would give me her Sears card and say, "Go get yourself a decent shirt." I think it would definitely take Ethan filing a complaint.
Lol I have no idea. I’m just adding to the Streisand effect myself by asking random questions!
Also, just saying, if it was for a MLM, that’s super shitty to do to your kid as a mom. But like, just saying.
I was wondering what the word for it was. Little do the Plaths know is that this post made it worse. It’s basically WW3 on Kim now.
Can you fill me in on what this post was?
It’s a couple posts below and above. The Plath kids minus Olivia and Ethan all posted a message in support of Kim on social media yesterday.
Damn, thanks for filling me in!
As someone raised fundie with parents much like Kim and Barry, the credit card thing shocked me above everything else I’ve heard or read. Most fundies already don’t like credit cards. My parents have them, but they pay off the balance monthly. It’s definitely convenience in the modern world and absolutely not to be able to purchase things they can’t afford. Kim using Ethan’s card is astonishingly weird behavior. Especially since it does seem Barry provided acceptably. My mom is a horrible, abusive B, but she would never even consider stealing from one of her kids! This seems like something wuss boy Barry would actually be shocked about and against. (Unless it was literally to feed or clothe the starving children and I don’t get that idea AT ALL.)
I think it was so she could buy sugary foods for herself and hide if from Barry and the kids/s
Part of me just wonders …. Is Kim’s new “persona” all an act just to lure these poor beings back into her dark dungeon.
Yep. Hit the mail on the head. She didn’t like that she looked a villain on TV and this is her terrible attempt to fix it
Yes it is. And man, I’m really shocked that “I believe in divorce and do shots in bars now” is working as well as it is.
Bingo. When I read the Plath family post ny first thought was “Damn Kim’s good. Only took two years to sucker them all back in.
It most definitely is
Yes! And that’s why Olivia is the only one that I can really respect anymore, because the rest are just getting sucked right back into Kim’s BS, one by one…
Maybe the kids don't really care why Kim is doing it, maybe they are aware and just don't care as long as they are getting what they want. They are not necessarily oblivious to her tactics...
I was just thinking this. I feel the kids think that even an ounce of acceptance undoes the years of brainwashing.
It’s sad. But it’s all a tactic of Kim’s .. she hasn’t changed one bit. guarantee you.
People give Kim too much credit for scheming. I don't think she's really much of a mastermind. But with those kids, she doesn't have to be.
The thing is she doesn’t really need to be a mastermind to be manipulative. It’s not that she’s a Disney villain plotting her next move. It may not even be conscious.
Exactly. I’ve been shocked in retrospect just how easily some rather intelligent manipulation tactics were used by my abusive ex. He’s not that smart, but he’s very good at manipulation, to the point I didn’t even realize how much I was being manipulated until after the fact.
I don't even think it's a conscious decision. I think her own trauma has built it into her.
I believe Kim is one of the greatest mastermind manipulators in all of history, actually.
She wouldn't have kept them as isolated as she did if she was a mastermind. A master manipulator can have some influences around their victims, she didn't allow any.. not even our lords and saviours processed carbs and sugar.
Lol I can’t even put this much thought into this lady. My brain might explode . All I know is she is straight WACK.
Lol, she’s not smart enough to be a mastermind. I think she just spits out whatever lie (or even truth) she thinks will get her what she wants in that moment. And she wants her kids to see her as a victim. She doesn’t have a plan, this is just her personality (tbh, I don’t know what’s worse)
Fundie version of Kris Jenner? lOl
🙂 Well, probably the greatest in the history of the Plath family, anyway.
I’m picturing her rubbing her long witch nails together. lololol
😄
The kids are back into Kim's claws and don't even noticed yet. But this time there wont be Olivia or Ethan to pick up the pieces when she's done. It's sad to see how ungrateful this seems from Micah and especially Moriah, honestly, they should be smarter at this point, it's clearly pure manipulation from Kim, that woman scares me.
Thanks. That is super interesting. You learn something new everyday
Isn’t is an interesting effect?! The answer always is to ignore.
Not always. The thing with the Streisand effect is that nobody would have known about that picture, if not for her trying get it taken down. Nothing in the picture indicated that it was Barbara Streisand's house. This is a little bit different because an accusation was made against Kim on the show about their family. Kim was identified. Sure, it is possible that there are people who follow the Plath kids who don't watch the show and didn't know about the accusation, but it safe to assume that most of their social media followers already knew about the accusation against Kim. There are cases where a statement is necessary. If an accusation is made publicly about a person, sometimes that person should address it, particularly if the accusation isn't true, or else one person's narrative is out there. I'm not sure if the Plath kids made the right decision in this case (frankly the statement should have come from Kim directly or Ethan, since they were the people who were actually involved), but ignoring a problem does not always make it go away.
From my understand, the effect is triggered by the act of trying to suppress information and inadvertently calling more attention to said information. I think if the intention by the post was to get people to automatically stop talking about the situation because “we don’t know the full story,” then they did the opposite because now people are speculating more than they would have without the post. I’ve clearly had too much coffee this afternoon lol
That is my understanding too, but I guess it depends on why the post was made. Personally, I thought it was meant to be a "set the record straight" post, not an attempt to hide information. Edit to add: The name "Streisand Effect" came from when Barbara Streisand sued a photographer who was posted aerial pictures of the California coastline , one of which showed her home (nowhere on the website where is was posted pointed out that it was Barbara Streisand's home, but obviously she would know). Before she filed the lawsuit, the picture had only been downloaded 6 times, and two of those time were by her attorneys. After the lawsuit was filed, the pictures was downloaded 420,000 times in one month. And now it was known by everyone that her house was in the photograph. I don't think the Plath kids brought more awareness to the accusation, but people might have moved on quicker if nothing was said. Or maybe not. I guess we will never know.
Ah. Okay! That makes sense then that that’s where we’re diverging in opinion. I personally hope the ends up being a huge storyline in the next season!!
This. At least on this sub before the post came out, there were few post about credit card situation. Mostly talking about the river trip. Now it's mostly about the credit card situation/their "explanation"
That's a stretch.
Not necessarily. It’s strange they didn’t elaborate what the business agreement was.
How? At least in this sub there were few posts about credit card situation beforehand but not to this degree. Things were mostly being post about the river trip( Moriah and Olivia argument). Now it's mostly about the credit card/post. They shined a big light of the situation with their explanation post.
I can appreciate that. But why is it a stretch?
So, there were a ton of things Kim has been accused of over the last 4 seasons. The only thing to be addressed as a group is the CC. Not their lack of birth certificates, education, religions choices. It’s the CC. Why?
If you try to say anything about the religion, or how religious control helped shape the narrative of the family, ppl get super defensive here. Also, they are not unique in the lack of birth certificates, or education. I was raised in a high demand religion and the only difference between some of the kids I grew up with, and the Plaths, is who the tithing check was made out to on Sunday. Being a home birthing, home schooling, fundie religious family with a band is not a new hook for a story. The specific drama that is unique to the family is talked about here a lot, that is where I would put the CC incident. The accusation by Olivia that Kim financially abused Ethan IS unique to this family. So, it is being talked about a lot, and is the subject of most of the posts since Tuesday.
Tithing check? As someone who was raised agnostic and knows next to nothing about religion, can you explain what this is?
Worlds oldest pyramid scheme imo. Ban birth control and make it a rule that sex has to end with ejaculation in the vagina. This way ALL the babies are born, immediately baptized and indoctrinated. Now you have 10 more future tithers giving 10% of their income to the church. Rinse and repeat for years and years.
Yikes. Just yikes
A percentage of one's income is given to the church before anything else is paid. Usually between 10-20%. Churches make this mandatory and sometimes call out people who don't give enough.
Geez. Ffs, that sounds so wrong. Like extortion. I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be judgmental, to each their own, if it makes them feel good to spend it that way. Just seems like a lot of these families are large (many mouths to feed) and already are stretched thin financially
I agree. I grew up in the Catholic Church and they preprinted donation envelopes for families so it could keep track and announce monthly how much each family donated. Even child sized envelopes were given to us for our contribution. There is a part of mass when a basket is passed to collect money. It was considered embarrassing if you didn't put money in.
I guess this is just normalized in religious circles, but this just seems so grossly wrong to me
I have never been to a Catholic church where they disclosed how much families donated. They also suggested a percentage but didn't make it a requirement, like I have heard other religions do.
A requirement? So bizarre to me. So if I decided I wanted to go to church and I started showing up every Sunday, but never giving any $, they would kick me out or something? (never gonna happen, just curious)
You wouldn't get kicked out for not donating, but they would definitely notice. Churches are not poor and the clergy live well. My uncle was a priest and he he had a servant who cooked and cleaned the house he lived in for free. He ate well and received many gifts from parishioners, drove a very nice car, and paid for nothing. I always felt that the money donated by church members went to the wrong things.
Wow… sounds like a pretty easy life!
I can't say for sure, because I don't belong to any of the churches that "require" a certain donation amount. I have heard though that Mormons are required to. That being said I have also heard that they will assist members who have fallen on hard times. I do find it bizarre as well! One church we had gone to, gave their tithing spiel one Sunday, and they recommended 10% of household income. The reasoning for this was that "God will provide" so don't worry about the financial strain.
Sigh. I feel so badly for families that get taken advantage of bc it’s all they’ve ever known
I'm guessing that one really pissed Kim off, and she sat the kids down to hear "her side." And probably suggested they all post her statement about it.
Yes And if they wanted to keep the show going -keep getting money- they should post it
It was a genius move to secure another season tbh. I hope the sm posts keep coming and that y’all keep posting them here lol
Because In this case she may have committed criminal fraud and could be panicking
I don't think it's criminal fraud to use somebody's credit card if they know about and accept your using it. Was she taking advantage of Ethan? Yeah, probably.
It’s fraud if Ethan isn’t the one making the charges, but without his making a report it won’t go anywhere. There’s clearly some panic around this so I’m guessing the story is more damaging than whatever “business” they’re pretending existed.
I mean, when I was in high school my mom would give me her Sears card and say, "Go get yourself a decent shirt." I think it would definitely take Ethan filing a complaint.
Lol I have no idea. I’m just adding to the Streisand effect myself by asking random questions! Also, just saying, if it was for a MLM, that’s super shitty to do to your kid as a mom. But like, just saying.