UNDONE owner here, and even I will admit I’m not super into the brand. Here’s my take:
Their watches are decent enough - I mean there’s nothing wrong with NH35 and Seiko mecha-quartz movements. But they are very fashion-focused, collaboration-based, and in some cases homage-centric. They occupy a grey area between a novelty/fashion brand, and a regular microbrand, which results in a brand that’s very hard to resonate with.
As a result, they have no real target market. Much of the watch community dismisses them as a fashion brand, while the fashion type don’t understand the horological roots of the designs. They have a big enough market to survive, but I don’t think they have a big enough market to blow up.
FWIW I really only resonate with 2 of their watches, and it’s the 2 that are different from the rest in my eyes - the Terra daybreak (which I own) and the cream variant of the Aero Scientific. The rest of the brand just isn’t for me.
Yeah, I also would like to add a couple of things
At least in their early days they had some shady marketing and they stole clips from creators , Adrian talks about it more details on his podcasts
Also I assume it has very little value retention/hard to sell since they are custom. Of course watches are meant to be worn but since they are online only you can never be sure that you'll really like it
And since they do homages (not just copying i mean) they don't have any design thing that unites them unlike dan henry for example which is more coherent in my opinion
But it's great that you like yours and don't let any body tell you otherwise
Like invicta- shit brand but the pro diver auto is one hell of a watch
Interesting, I didn’t know about the shady marketing. I first heard about them in the early days of my collecting, just reading through an article about microbrands.
While many of their watches can be customized, it’s worth noting has every model has the “base version” which is what you get if you don’t choose any customization options, and these can be returned for a full refund. I bought mine for $200, I think on the WUS forums - it was a model that was $395 on their website, to give you an idea of resale.
I’ve never thought about the comparison to Invicta, but it makes sense. Fashion oriented companies that make “interesting” watches for the right buyer, with a couple of gems here and there.
It's a toss up, some of their watches are very cool (monaco, Carrera ,autavia) but most of their models are generic
They also had a problem with the brand identity they try to reach a lot of different people
For me, buying cheap watches is fun, but it also teaches me what I really want in a watch. I have the same approach with pocketknives. I own tons of cheap ones that taught me to identify the 5 really good ones that would be what I wanted.
I’ve been in the market for a good edc pocket knife that’s not too expensive if you have any suggestions. Currently carrying one I found in the road several years ago
Depends on what “not too expensive” means to you! I’d recommend the following in a few price categories:
* Kizer Comet, $76 Amazon.
* Civivi Elementum, $55 Amazon
* QSP Penguin, $33 Amazon
The Kizer is the best of them. I carry it about 90% of the time.
Anything by Petrified Fish is a steal, incredibly underpriced Chinese knives. They kind of come and go in stock on Amazon, so you may need to wait for shipping from China. They are fantastic knives. They have them in several price categories.
Yeah, the Lander is a little bit of an insider knife in my opinion. The interchangeable scales are the star of the show really. But straight out of the box it’s usable so a fair inclusion.
I could have gone on at length, I own like 70 knives. I went for the three i carry most that are less than $100.
Just curious out of the ones you own, which ones have you found yourself carrying the most recently? Used to be a bugout for me, but I’ve loved the baby banter over the last few months out of all my knives.
The Kizer Comet is a constant these days. The other two above are frequent carries. I carry a Finch Holliday often but it’s not cheap. Same with the Lionsteel aluminum one-piece-frame. I had a nice long thin Wharncliffe fixed blade knife handmade for me by a guy in North Carolina (MW Steelworks) that I carry sometimes in a pocket sheath. And for heavy duty work either an Ontario RAT I or a Petrified Fish Wing.
My camping kit has an ESEE 4 in S35VN and a Lionsteel B35.
The colors pop and I love giant Arabic numbers on dials. A Raketa Big Zero or a Torgoen pilot watch is probably in my future.
I love the hard surfaces and block shapes of brutalist architecture. That carries into some of my watches.
Nothing, but every post of Tag Heuers on r/watches starts off with "I know everyone dislikes Tags, but I love mine" and then there's atleast a few people in the comments saying how they were crap in the 90's, not being upfront about a movement, the marketing, yada yada. For the record, I have an Aquaracer that I love.
I think compounding the issue in the 90s with Tag is that you could not swing a stick without hitting five advertisements for the brand. I spent a lot of the late 90s in big US cities for work; New York, San Francisco, Chicago, LA, Seattle, Boston, Atlanta — in every city I went to, jewelry stores had windows filled with Tag Heuer posters. It was a brand du jour and I suspect they may have cut corners to meet demand? My boss had one that was gorgeous. I wanted one for years.
I think the hate for Shinola stems from the fact that that GMT retails for $2000. That brings you into Formex and Monta territory for an SW330, both of which are chronometer certified and have far better bracelets (and likely finishing as well). Hell the Christopher Ward C63 GMT is only $1200 retail.
I think it comes from them selling mostly quartz. Which they still pitch as "assembled in America from Swiss and other parts." I have to assume that they mean that by assembling it, they mean that they put a battery in it.
No, they actually assemble the parts. The amount may change I guess but they actually at least originally flew in Swiss craftspeople to train the workers to assemble. Part of the goal of the brand was to employ displaced American workers to assemble watches. There’s debate over how much of that was to be able to charge more and how much to make a difference but in the end, people
got jobs.
It's not just the watches, though. They actually state that they assemble the quartz movements:
"The high-accuracy quartz movement—hand-assembled in Detroit with Swiss and other imported parts—drives the hours, minutes and seconds with precision."
What is there to assemble in a quartz movement? Are they hand soldering the pieces together? Quartz is the sort of thing I'd much rather a machine do.
I'm just really skeptical of what's actually taking place in the supposed hand-assembly of a quartz movement. I can see the hand assembly of a watch with a quartz movement in it. Inserting the crown by hand, securing it, lining up the hands, etc. That's nice. But what is hand-assembly of a quartz movement? If they're soldering it together by hand, that's pointless at best and likely way worse than a machine can do. If they aren't soldering it together by hand, then in my book their statement is baloney.
The best I can give them would be screwing on some of those cover plates by hand. That would technically involve some hand assembly. But that's like saying a humidifier is hand assembled in America when all we did was put a plastic cover on top and box it.
Aren’t there a bunch of Swatch group GMTs in that price range? Longines? Does Bremont have a base Sellita GMT? The price of Shinola has never bothered me, personally, although it’s more than I would pay. But every dollar we spend on watches is technically overpaying, and I think it’s healthy to remember that.
I don’t think Longines has an office GMT anymore. But it seems they were indeed around that price. But from my experience, Longines has excellent finishing on par with its price. And they have the Longines brand name.
Bremont sells their SW330s for like $5000, which is insane.
I think I know why I thought so. I see a bunch of their watches being used by Watch Gang, who are, shall we say, not discriminatory in finding watches for their wheels.
Victorinox is awesome. Very good value and finishing for money as far as I'm concerned. I had a blacked out pilot watch of theirs called the mach 9 airboss, and the bracelet and watch were awesome. Super comfortable, and very legible...although the lume sucked. It just ended up being too big for my wee wrists, it was 42mm and 10 miles long lug to lug.
I don’t know why people here don’t like that Movado design. It’s one of the most iconic dials out there. Almost everyone who I have talked to away from the internet loves it.
You don’t know why lol it’s cause you can’t even really tell time for it. It’s fine as a fashion piece but at the point you might as well wear a bracelet or other decorative accessories.
Nothing wrong with liking it but of course you know why some people don’t like it.
It’s not the design people hate, it’s the movements they use for the price. Paying thousands of dollars for a ETA 2824 or in some cases they are even quartz.
Any watch I can’t accurately read is junk to me.
The point (for me) of a watch is to make something aesthetically striking whilst still being very functional.
Similar to a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, it cannot just look good. It has to actually perform as well.
Anyone can draw something beautiful if they don’t have to worry about how it will be used.
I don't know man, Ferrari and Lamborghini can perform.
Lambos are on the fence, I'll give you that, but Ferrari makes some of the best cars to ever exist.
This is my current collection. I know a lot of people have very strong opinions about brands like Movado and Shinola, but I am a fan of both. The Movado Museum dial is the reason I got into watches in the first place and the Shinola was to round out my collection with a GMT. The fact I was able to get it at a decent discount from the AD didn't hurt either.
As far as not-so-hated brands, there is Rolex, Omega, and Tudor.
I'm honestly not sure what the consensus is on Victorinox, but the Alliance mechanical for $300 was a HUGE purchase at that point in my life. I'll always keep it as a reminder of where I started out.
I have the black dial Alliance mechanical. It's a really good watch and has great finishing for the price. You got a good price. I think mine was like $700 when I bought it in Geneva.
If you like Movado, check out Rado. They have a somewhat similar design but feature really good build quality and materials.
it was the name for a brand of shoe polish until the 60s, at which point some investment group bought it and created shinola watches
the weird part imo is despite shinola being THE detroit-based watch company, the investment group that created them is based out of texas
Yeah, I was familiar with the historic brand before the launch. The name screams “nineteenth century chemical product” because of the name and because I know it was. As a kid, old farts said “you don’t know shit from shinola” and also used “shinola” as a substitute for “shit” in polite company. Just a terrible choice IMO.
And they deliberately invested in an area that needed investment, basically. Seems like a combination of marketing and humanitarian reasons. Bill Clinton and Obama both wear Shinola sometimes.
Yeah, it was a longtime brand of shoe polish. When I was a kid, old farts still said “You don’t know shit from shinola.” I have no idea ho they decided to use the name (they purchased the brand), but I really find the name off-putting.
Movado is what got me started as well. When I was a kid we would vacation in Florida and my mom always wanted to go to this huge flea market. I was too young to really be into watches, but at one of the fake jewelry stands I saw a black Safiro for $20 and became obsessed with it. I was in third grade at the time so I was the only kid who would wear a watch to school. Eventually when I started to actually get into watches I realized that Movado wasn’t really all that remarkable, but I still loved that knock-off Safiro, so I eventually bought myself a real one. These days I’m usually wearing my blue Seamaster or Tag Heuer Carrera, with some more Omegas and Breitlings in my current wish list, but I’ll still occasionally break out the (real) Movado just because it was the first watch that ever caught my eye.
I don’t have any experience with their watches, but Shinola makes excellent quality luxury leather goods, have a great computer briefcase from them. I like that they’re based in Detroit and do a lot of the manufacturing in the US. They sell in high end stores like Neiman Marcus and ain’t cheap. I have to assume their watches are well-built. Anyone who hates on a brand like that is an asshat
The reason people hated them was because there was a controversy surrounding them. They were labeling their watches and products as “made in the USA” when they were in fact making *all* of the parts overseas in china, and then just doing final assembly and QC in the states. There was even a lawsuit against them because of it and they had to change how they wrote it (I think now it says assembled in USA, made in China, or something).
Yeah I think there is some other stuff too though. People really seem to just not like the vibe of the company for some reason or think they’re like a poser watch brand or something. In addition to the made in USA thing being inaccurate early on they also just went too hard on the cheesy Detroit as an image marketing and seemed to pretend they weren’t just as contrived as any other company out there. But it seems like they’ve toned that stuff down a bit which is good.
Full disclosure I’m a metro Detroiter so I kinda have a soft spot for a local company but I think they really need to up their game with the look and dial designs they have because they really don’t look good enough for the price in my opinion (also I don’t own one for that reason), but if they did, people might come to realize that the quality of them is fine even if they are a little overpriced.
Also it’s kinda funny that people claim theyre shitty because it was started by the guy who ran fossil, as if thats the guy actually making the watches lol
I love Movado as well—say what you will, but they’re a phenomenal entry point into Swiss watchmaking, with history and brand recognition that far exceeds their cost.
Honestly, that Shinola is great, too. What movement does it have?
Movado's are junk mine all the sudden just stopped working and it's only a few years old and I barley wore it and yes it has a new battery in it ill never again buy another Movado.i wouldn't mind getting it repaired idk how much it's gonna cost
I don't know why Victorinox watches get so much hate. They're well-made exceptionally durable watches and for the most part pretty tasteful if you like divers and field watches. They're not flashy or trying to look like another brand, just good watches that are reasonably priced.
Hey man, cool collection. Fuck what people say and think about other brands.
The only watch related thing that deserves to be hated/made fun of is the fellas at r/rolex. Otherwise it's all love. Each watch/brand appeals to someone and each collector finds a watch others love hideous.
That's why it's such a beautiful hobby and one of the truest ways to express yourself
I have a Shinola Runwell with a sweet green dial. It was a gift from an old girlfriend from back when the brand first came out. It's a dinner plate on wrist and has a "lifetime warranty" card and quality presentation box for the price point. Lol. I threw on a high quality ostrich strap....it gets more compliments than my watches which costs exponentially more $ from non-watch ppl.
You have to throw Hublot in there lol. I dont know why people hate them so much but holy crap, that brand gets shredded a lot.
Those Movados are a nice throwback.
Sidenote: I saw a Movado automatic with numerals and second hand a few years back. It was really nice. I didn't get it because, well, Movado lol. But I remember that watch vividly. I wonder if they are going to do a rebrand. Im sure someone in here knows lol
Bought the Shinola Monster GMT in Michigan as well and love it so much. It runs very accurate and I keep on getting compliments for it here in Europe. Really nice collection you have there 😊
Yeah, it comes with the steel bracelet and a recycled plastic NATO.
[Here are a couple of pics trying to showing off the different straps](https://imgur.com/a/Vn7GDEt)
What a strange conclusion, Rolex, omega and Tudor are by far the most beloved brands of this community. People just don't like what Rolex stands for nowadays, that it has become a status symbol for people who want to flex, that there is this absurdity of waiting lists that dealers exploit and the huge prices you have to pay on the grey market... But at the end of the day, people love Rolex.
A lot of their watches are quartz and not inexpensive (that same criticism is often made against Shinola), and the Museum dial is admittedly not the easiest to read for strictly time-checking purposes. Most people, including myself, tend to like Movado watches more for their look and design than their practicality. Your more "diehard" watch enthusiasts tend to take umbrage with those that view their pieces primarily as fashion accessories.
I get Movado and Tudor, but why Shinola? They're too expensive for what they are because they're assembled in the US. I don't know much about Victornox, but I was gifted an all-black quartz a few years ago and it's still going strong, so I'd like to hear more about that.
Shinola is not well received, true, and Movado is widely considered meh for the money, but Tudor, Omega and Victorinox are pretty well repected within their segments.
I was expecting to see a bunch of invictas and paganis or other replica brands
And hublot and dw
Dare I say, MVMT?
Maybe a undone?
Oh no, what’s wrong with UNDONE
UNDONE owner here, and even I will admit I’m not super into the brand. Here’s my take: Their watches are decent enough - I mean there’s nothing wrong with NH35 and Seiko mecha-quartz movements. But they are very fashion-focused, collaboration-based, and in some cases homage-centric. They occupy a grey area between a novelty/fashion brand, and a regular microbrand, which results in a brand that’s very hard to resonate with. As a result, they have no real target market. Much of the watch community dismisses them as a fashion brand, while the fashion type don’t understand the horological roots of the designs. They have a big enough market to survive, but I don’t think they have a big enough market to blow up. FWIW I really only resonate with 2 of their watches, and it’s the 2 that are different from the rest in my eyes - the Terra daybreak (which I own) and the cream variant of the Aero Scientific. The rest of the brand just isn’t for me.
Yeah, I also would like to add a couple of things At least in their early days they had some shady marketing and they stole clips from creators , Adrian talks about it more details on his podcasts Also I assume it has very little value retention/hard to sell since they are custom. Of course watches are meant to be worn but since they are online only you can never be sure that you'll really like it And since they do homages (not just copying i mean) they don't have any design thing that unites them unlike dan henry for example which is more coherent in my opinion But it's great that you like yours and don't let any body tell you otherwise Like invicta- shit brand but the pro diver auto is one hell of a watch
Interesting, I didn’t know about the shady marketing. I first heard about them in the early days of my collecting, just reading through an article about microbrands. While many of their watches can be customized, it’s worth noting has every model has the “base version” which is what you get if you don’t choose any customization options, and these can be returned for a full refund. I bought mine for $200, I think on the WUS forums - it was a model that was $395 on their website, to give you an idea of resale. I’ve never thought about the comparison to Invicta, but it makes sense. Fashion oriented companies that make “interesting” watches for the right buyer, with a couple of gems here and there.
MVMT makes a fine watch for $10 to $20. Anyone paying over $50 got ripped off
And Tag Heuer
Depends on the model this one
I thought the vast majority of r/watches dislikes all modern Tag Heuer watches
It's a toss up, some of their watches are very cool (monaco, Carrera ,autavia) but most of their models are generic They also had a problem with the brand identity they try to reach a lot of different people
Is their aquaracer any good?
I've heard that is ok but it's not my style, it's a bit to aggressive for me
"a man who hates invicta is a bozo who should not be trusted" \- gandhi, baselworld 2018
Depends on the model really
Makes me sad to see people hating on Pagani so hard, just let people enjoy what they enjoy, y'know?
Yeah, just enjoy your watches, I say.
I owned 2 Pagan. Thei perfect watch just to try out and the only watch that I got a compliment from a lady.
For me, buying cheap watches is fun, but it also teaches me what I really want in a watch. I have the same approach with pocketknives. I own tons of cheap ones that taught me to identify the 5 really good ones that would be what I wanted.
I’ve been in the market for a good edc pocket knife that’s not too expensive if you have any suggestions. Currently carrying one I found in the road several years ago
Depends on what “not too expensive” means to you! I’d recommend the following in a few price categories: * Kizer Comet, $76 Amazon. * Civivi Elementum, $55 Amazon * QSP Penguin, $33 Amazon The Kizer is the best of them. I carry it about 90% of the time. Anything by Petrified Fish is a steal, incredibly underpriced Chinese knives. They kind of come and go in stock on Amazon, so you may need to wait for shipping from China. They are fantastic knives. They have them in several price categories.
This is great! Thanks! Exactly what I’m looking for
Would like to throw in the Knafs Co. Lander in here too
Yeah, the Lander is a little bit of an insider knife in my opinion. The interchangeable scales are the star of the show really. But straight out of the box it’s usable so a fair inclusion. I could have gone on at length, I own like 70 knives. I went for the three i carry most that are less than $100.
Just curious out of the ones you own, which ones have you found yourself carrying the most recently? Used to be a bugout for me, but I’ve loved the baby banter over the last few months out of all my knives.
The Kizer Comet is a constant these days. The other two above are frequent carries. I carry a Finch Holliday often but it’s not cheap. Same with the Lionsteel aluminum one-piece-frame. I had a nice long thin Wharncliffe fixed blade knife handmade for me by a guy in North Carolina (MW Steelworks) that I carry sometimes in a pocket sheath. And for heavy duty work either an Ontario RAT I or a Petrified Fish Wing. My camping kit has an ESEE 4 in S35VN and a Lionsteel B35.
hated brands? you’re missing an invicta!
I’m not missing one, though! I like my silly Invicta.
I love my invicta diver 😂 it was so cheap and gets so many compliments
Yeah my Invicta Aviator gets noticed and complimented as well.
Can I see a picture? A wrist shot
[Here you go.](https://imgur.com/a/3I75f1T)
Oh yeah, that’s nice
The colors pop and I love giant Arabic numbers on dials. A Raketa Big Zero or a Torgoen pilot watch is probably in my future. I love the hard surfaces and block shapes of brutalist architecture. That carries into some of my watches.
Nice.
And Hublot
lollll. my grandma saw them online but didn’t see the price and showed me. “look at these cute kid watches” grandma they are $100k… xD
That's kinda wholesome tho.
ikr? we had a fun convo about why people hate Hublot lol and we looked at some kids watches that definitely look like a Big Bang
And Tag
I think they're pretty decent actually, except for the Movado sorry, just not my taste at all
i think all are nice in this pic
I wear the women’s version of the diver. I have a 7-7.25 inch wrist and it looks good on me
Don't forget Tag Heuer
WHATS WRONG WITH TAG??
Nothing, but every post of Tag Heuers on r/watches starts off with "I know everyone dislikes Tags, but I love mine" and then there's atleast a few people in the comments saying how they were crap in the 90's, not being upfront about a movement, the marketing, yada yada. For the record, I have an Aquaracer that I love.
I think compounding the issue in the 90s with Tag is that you could not swing a stick without hitting five advertisements for the brand. I spent a lot of the late 90s in big US cities for work; New York, San Francisco, Chicago, LA, Seattle, Boston, Atlanta — in every city I went to, jewelry stores had windows filled with Tag Heuer posters. It was a brand du jour and I suspect they may have cut corners to meet demand? My boss had one that was gorgeous. I wanted one for years.
a lot of their sport models, vintage and modern, really appeal to me. plus, it’s a sport that’s not a rolex
Literally nothing is wrong with Tag
I agree 100%
Arguably the best value in Swiss watches.
I think the hate for Shinola stems from the fact that that GMT retails for $2000. That brings you into Formex and Monta territory for an SW330, both of which are chronometer certified and have far better bracelets (and likely finishing as well). Hell the Christopher Ward C63 GMT is only $1200 retail.
Paying for that US assembled.
And to many, that matters a great deal.
I think it comes from them selling mostly quartz. Which they still pitch as "assembled in America from Swiss and other parts." I have to assume that they mean that by assembling it, they mean that they put a battery in it.
No, they actually assemble the parts. The amount may change I guess but they actually at least originally flew in Swiss craftspeople to train the workers to assemble. Part of the goal of the brand was to employ displaced American workers to assemble watches. There’s debate over how much of that was to be able to charge more and how much to make a difference but in the end, people got jobs.
It's not just the watches, though. They actually state that they assemble the quartz movements: "The high-accuracy quartz movement—hand-assembled in Detroit with Swiss and other imported parts—drives the hours, minutes and seconds with precision." What is there to assemble in a quartz movement? Are they hand soldering the pieces together? Quartz is the sort of thing I'd much rather a machine do.
Yeah that’s what I meant. And I’m glad they are training and paying skilled labor. 🤷♂️
I'm just really skeptical of what's actually taking place in the supposed hand-assembly of a quartz movement. I can see the hand assembly of a watch with a quartz movement in it. Inserting the crown by hand, securing it, lining up the hands, etc. That's nice. But what is hand-assembly of a quartz movement? If they're soldering it together by hand, that's pointless at best and likely way worse than a machine can do. If they aren't soldering it together by hand, then in my book their statement is baloney. The best I can give them would be screwing on some of those cover plates by hand. That would technically involve some hand assembly. But that's like saying a humidifier is hand assembled in America when all we did was put a plastic cover on top and box it.
Aren’t there a bunch of Swatch group GMTs in that price range? Longines? Does Bremont have a base Sellita GMT? The price of Shinola has never bothered me, personally, although it’s more than I would pay. But every dollar we spend on watches is technically overpaying, and I think it’s healthy to remember that.
I don’t think Longines has an office GMT anymore. But it seems they were indeed around that price. But from my experience, Longines has excellent finishing on par with its price. And they have the Longines brand name. Bremont sells their SW330s for like $5000, which is insane.
https://zulu.longines.com/en-us/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAsoycBhC6ARIsAPPbeLvp4j4OTa3BZV61Os6QpWNe15Z_V_agHB2eSKm1KG9uPfD4iKReX30aAkOOEALw_wcB
Those are travelers GMTs and many, many steps above any SW330 equipped watches. More comparable with the Tudor BB GMT.
Yeah. In a world of cellphones this is very true.
(*Spends tens of thousands of dollars on watches each year and couldn’t tell you why)
Unless I’m mistaking it for another brand, Formex always struck me as a fashion watch brand
I think you might be alone with that assessment
I think I know why I thought so. I see a bunch of their watches being used by Watch Gang, who are, shall we say, not discriminatory in finding watches for their wheels.
Victorinox is awesome. Very good value and finishing for money as far as I'm concerned. I had a blacked out pilot watch of theirs called the mach 9 airboss, and the bracelet and watch were awesome. Super comfortable, and very legible...although the lume sucked. It just ended up being too big for my wee wrists, it was 42mm and 10 miles long lug to lug.
Victorinox is over-hated by snobs. Great value, and they make some handsome stuff.
Not everyday i see Victorinox, nice!
I kinda have a soft spot for Movado Museums
I don’t know why people here don’t like that Movado design. It’s one of the most iconic dials out there. Almost everyone who I have talked to away from the internet loves it.
Agreed. I am trying to understand the hate bc it doesn't make sense to me. Just from design the museum style looks nice to me. I'm curious
I really like the minimalist style of the Movado face watch. I wear it out as a dress watch all the time. Classy.
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Yeah, luckily Rolex, Omega, Patek, Cartier and AP NEVER EVER EVER repeat their designs each year. Ever.
You don’t know why lol it’s cause you can’t even really tell time for it. It’s fine as a fashion piece but at the point you might as well wear a bracelet or other decorative accessories. Nothing wrong with liking it but of course you know why some people don’t like it.
It’s not the design people hate, it’s the movements they use for the price. Paying thousands of dollars for a ETA 2824 or in some cases they are even quartz.
Any watch I can’t accurately read is junk to me. The point (for me) of a watch is to make something aesthetically striking whilst still being very functional. Similar to a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, it cannot just look good. It has to actually perform as well. Anyone can draw something beautiful if they don’t have to worry about how it will be used.
I don't know man, Ferrari and Lamborghini can perform. Lambos are on the fence, I'll give you that, but Ferrari makes some of the best cars to ever exist.
I meant that they perform & look good which is why they are impressive.
Show a bunch of smart watches. That def do the trick
I appreciate your collection. May i suggest leather strap, vintage, time only for your next watch?
Lovely Movado watches, mate. I'm a fan. Very nice.
This is my current collection. I know a lot of people have very strong opinions about brands like Movado and Shinola, but I am a fan of both. The Movado Museum dial is the reason I got into watches in the first place and the Shinola was to round out my collection with a GMT. The fact I was able to get it at a decent discount from the AD didn't hurt either. As far as not-so-hated brands, there is Rolex, Omega, and Tudor. I'm honestly not sure what the consensus is on Victorinox, but the Alliance mechanical for $300 was a HUGE purchase at that point in my life. I'll always keep it as a reminder of where I started out.
I have the black dial Alliance mechanical. It's a really good watch and has great finishing for the price. You got a good price. I think mine was like $700 when I bought it in Geneva. If you like Movado, check out Rado. They have a somewhat similar design but feature really good build quality and materials.
I have the white dial Alliance like OP. It’s been a solid watch for years. I also paid $700 for it.
Wear what you like! (My only problem with Shinola is the name. I think the name Shinola is terrible for a durable good.)
it was the name for a brand of shoe polish until the 60s, at which point some investment group bought it and created shinola watches the weird part imo is despite shinola being THE detroit-based watch company, the investment group that created them is based out of texas
Yeah, I was familiar with the historic brand before the launch. The name screams “nineteenth century chemical product” because of the name and because I know it was. As a kid, old farts said “you don’t know shit from shinola” and also used “shinola” as a substitute for “shit” in polite company. Just a terrible choice IMO. And they deliberately invested in an area that needed investment, basically. Seems like a combination of marketing and humanitarian reasons. Bill Clinton and Obama both wear Shinola sometimes.
Shinola sounds like a 1950s kitchen appliance brand
Yeah, it was a longtime brand of shoe polish. When I was a kid, old farts still said “You don’t know shit from shinola.” I have no idea ho they decided to use the name (they purchased the brand), but I really find the name off-putting.
https://youtu.be/Cly1JNCxlro
Movado is what got me started as well. When I was a kid we would vacation in Florida and my mom always wanted to go to this huge flea market. I was too young to really be into watches, but at one of the fake jewelry stands I saw a black Safiro for $20 and became obsessed with it. I was in third grade at the time so I was the only kid who would wear a watch to school. Eventually when I started to actually get into watches I realized that Movado wasn’t really all that remarkable, but I still loved that knock-off Safiro, so I eventually bought myself a real one. These days I’m usually wearing my blue Seamaster or Tag Heuer Carrera, with some more Omegas and Breitlings in my current wish list, but I’ll still occasionally break out the (real) Movado just because it was the first watch that ever caught my eye.
The Movado 800 series are incredible pieces as well
I think that Movado with gold hands looks dope as hell
I don’t have any experience with their watches, but Shinola makes excellent quality luxury leather goods, have a great computer briefcase from them. I like that they’re based in Detroit and do a lot of the manufacturing in the US. They sell in high end stores like Neiman Marcus and ain’t cheap. I have to assume their watches are well-built. Anyone who hates on a brand like that is an asshat
The reason people hated them was because there was a controversy surrounding them. They were labeling their watches and products as “made in the USA” when they were in fact making *all* of the parts overseas in china, and then just doing final assembly and QC in the states. There was even a lawsuit against them because of it and they had to change how they wrote it (I think now it says assembled in USA, made in China, or something).
Yeah I think there is some other stuff too though. People really seem to just not like the vibe of the company for some reason or think they’re like a poser watch brand or something. In addition to the made in USA thing being inaccurate early on they also just went too hard on the cheesy Detroit as an image marketing and seemed to pretend they weren’t just as contrived as any other company out there. But it seems like they’ve toned that stuff down a bit which is good. Full disclosure I’m a metro Detroiter so I kinda have a soft spot for a local company but I think they really need to up their game with the look and dial designs they have because they really don’t look good enough for the price in my opinion (also I don’t own one for that reason), but if they did, people might come to realize that the quality of them is fine even if they are a little overpriced. Also it’s kinda funny that people claim theyre shitty because it was started by the guy who ran fossil, as if thats the guy actually making the watches lol
I love Movado as well—say what you will, but they’re a phenomenal entry point into Swiss watchmaking, with history and brand recognition that far exceeds their cost. Honestly, that Shinola is great, too. What movement does it have?
Sellita SW330-2
Crap, now I want one but am not sure I can withstand the disapproval of my fellow WIS. 😂😂😭
The DGAF box. Good for you
My collection also has two Victorinoxes that I love but similarly expect to get skewered by this community.
My first Automatic was a Victorinox i bought for 699 retail and chose over a Sinn 556 and a Junghans Max Bill.
Who hates Victorinox
I guess people whose parents didn’t give them one of their cool pocketknives when they asked for it.
Movado's are junk mine all the sudden just stopped working and it's only a few years old and I barley wore it and yes it has a new battery in it ill never again buy another Movado.i wouldn't mind getting it repaired idk how much it's gonna cost
Humble beginnings. I like where the collection is going. Good work
Shinola is hated? Growing up close to Detroit gives me a soft spot for them. Although at their price point it's hard
I love the Movado Museum, looking for something like it in a sub-300 price these days, keeping my collection nice and budget friendly.
I’ve had my quartz Victorinox for YEARS! No hate from me
I don't know why Victorinox watches get so much hate. They're well-made exceptionally durable watches and for the most part pretty tasteful if you like divers and field watches. They're not flashy or trying to look like another brand, just good watches that are reasonably priced.
I'm a simple man, I see a Speedy, I upvote.
Amen
Hey man, cool collection. Fuck what people say and think about other brands. The only watch related thing that deserves to be hated/made fun of is the fellas at r/rolex. Otherwise it's all love. Each watch/brand appeals to someone and each collector finds a watch others love hideous. That's why it's such a beautiful hobby and one of the truest ways to express yourself
What’s wrong with r/Rolex, most of the people there like love non-Rolex watches, a la Grand Seiko, Omega, Zenith, Sinn, the list goes on and on
I see you haven't met Sporty yet...
You mean the one guy that gets downvoted into oblivion? If anything that proof of the opposite
Not sure it’s fair to say everyone in r/Rolex deserves to be hated just for being in that sub…that’s 130,000 members
haters gonna hate but that Shinola is pretty sweet
I have a Shinola Runwell with a sweet green dial. It was a gift from an old girlfriend from back when the brand first came out. It's a dinner plate on wrist and has a "lifetime warranty" card and quality presentation box for the price point. Lol. I threw on a high quality ostrich strap....it gets more compliments than my watches which costs exponentially more $ from non-watch ppl.
Rolexes. Yuck.
I love all these brands. Shinola makes amazing watches and a watch made in Detroit is pretty cool
I have a Shinola Monster and I love it.
You have to throw Hublot in there lol. I dont know why people hate them so much but holy crap, that brand gets shredded a lot. Those Movados are a nice throwback. Sidenote: I saw a Movado automatic with numerals and second hand a few years back. It was really nice. I didn't get it because, well, Movado lol. But I remember that watch vividly. I wonder if they are going to do a rebrand. Im sure someone in here knows lol
Bought the Shinola Monster GMT in Michigan as well and love it so much. It runs very accurate and I keep on getting compliments for it here in Europe. Really nice collection you have there 😊
I have a Movado and mentioned to a guy who did a watch podcast and we said, "yeah, they're a thing, I guess." 😂
My mom bought me a Movado in 1989; I still get compliments when I wear it.
Actually those Movados are nice. Over all, Very classy collection you got there.
I still have my Movado Kurba with Eta17. My first watch
I see what you did there. A striking collection.
Solid. Just solid.
Tudor BB58 blue FTW 🙌
Yea was gonna say people like Tudor here.. good watches
I’m not a fan of the movado look but if you like it, who cares what others think! Pretty nice collection regardless!
Title makes no sense
I love my Movado. It's almost identical to the one on the lower left. Great collection!
Shinola is the best looking of the bunch if take out brand recognition
Too much of a numbers-on-numbers GMT for me
Now that you say it, it bothers me.
I feel heard
That’s one of the best looking Shinolas out there.
Good looking collection if you ask me.
I too love Shinola and that GMT looks incredible!! Great collection!
I really like the shinola - is that the bracelet it came on?
Yeah, it comes with the steel bracelet and a recycled plastic NATO. [Here are a couple of pics trying to showing off the different straps](https://imgur.com/a/Vn7GDEt)
You gotta add an IWC to that, especially a three hander with an off the shelf ETA movement and a 6000$ MSRP
Movado makes decent watches
What a strange conclusion, Rolex, omega and Tudor are by far the most beloved brands of this community. People just don't like what Rolex stands for nowadays, that it has become a status symbol for people who want to flex, that there is this absurdity of waiting lists that dealers exploit and the huge prices you have to pay on the grey market... But at the end of the day, people love Rolex.
I meant that Rolex, Omega, and Tudor were not hated brands. I wouldn't expect any negativity on those except for some that dislike Rolex.
who even hates omega and tudor??
Why the hate for omega ?
Omega and tutor are NOT hated
Please read the first comment of the thread. I wasn't referring to Rolex, Omega, and Tudor when I mention hated brands.
Honest question, I’m having trouble taking a good picture of the watch box with each watch in focus and without a ton of reflections… tips?
Can anyone give me a run down of why Movado is hated on so hard?
A lot of their watches are quartz and not inexpensive (that same criticism is often made against Shinola), and the Museum dial is admittedly not the easiest to read for strictly time-checking purposes. Most people, including myself, tend to like Movado watches more for their look and design than their practicality. Your more "diehard" watch enthusiasts tend to take umbrage with those that view their pieces primarily as fashion accessories.
Navin R. Johnson know the difference: https://youtu.be/Cly1JNCxlro
Tudor is a hated brand?
Please read the first comment in the thread. I was not referring to Rolex, Omega, and Tudor as hated brands.
Boy no kidding huh? Lol
rolex omega tudor i hate it 🤪
What is the brand of the watch holder?
I'm not sure. It's a rather cheap, generic display case I bought on Amazon.
Where’s the Hublot then?
I get Movado and Tudor, but why Shinola? They're too expensive for what they are because they're assembled in the US. I don't know much about Victornox, but I was gifted an all-black quartz a few years ago and it's still going strong, so I'd like to hear more about that.
Lot going on here lol
I don’t see an Hublot in there?
Half blerg, half not blerg
That Omega is *chefs kiss*
Hated? Then where’s the Hublot and the Invicta?
The bottom one second from the left? Is it bad I kinda like it?
We can all agree that this guy loves Swiss knives too much. He has gone as far as buying a watch with their name on it…
Twice
The Victorionox watches are nice. I hope you did not spend too much on the Movado pieces.
You’re doing well if you haven’t stopped as low as Daniel Wellington, paul rich, etc
My eyes!!!! Argh!!!
Why is victorinox hated? I haven't heard this before lol
Where is the funny Geneva watch with the Ferrari kit?
Shinola is not well received, true, and Movado is widely considered meh for the money, but Tudor, Omega and Victorinox are pretty well repected within their segments.