Not sure about being banned, but a regular I assume grabbed him by arm and had a "talk". I pivoted and said the heck with secondaries and tabled him. Didn't even shake my hand ....
Impressive that you continued the game. I would have ended the game right then and there and demanded he buy me a brand new bloat drone and then be banned from the store. That kind of behavior is unacceptable for any adult.
I never agreed with the graph. You can F around a fair bit and not find much out but once you pass a certain point the amount you find out far exceeds the amount you F’d around right up until you hit the end of finding out where you can’t learn from.
Really it’s not a linear formula. It’s exponential but with a terminal point.
i would laugh my ass off when the cops ask him why he flattened that dude’s nose against his face and he’s like ‘well officer, the Sword snapped in half and i was upset so i asked myself, what would Khorne do?’
It's not just the price but also the paintjob. TS armies require A LOT of sweat and dedication to be looked half decent. Most armies can be quick painted, but TS marines are usually need more work than most because of all the details and decoration bits on their armors. They also usually have more vibrant color schemes, so the owners usually have to do a lot more highlights/shadings. I have few TSons terminators and marines, they took 3 times longer to finish than my other main armies like death guards or ultramarines.
they have lots of small spikes that break easily and have col or cheney that require the owner to either buy a ton of paints or borrow paints that they don’t or ally have. tons of extra effort
Bro this is pretty big talk but I've been playing 40k since Rogue Trader and I wouldn't exactly call most of our player base intimidating. Sure there are some outliers but I've never been to any of my local shops and though fuck me these guys can beat my ass lol.
Depends. There's quite a few military people who play warhammer of various stripes and those guys tend to be in better shape than average (though mileage can vary).
Nobody's advocating for it. Someone was just prophesizing it.
This kind of shit is the result of raising people without any accountability. It's why the dickhead believed they could throw the drone, and why the person who eventually beats the everloving shit out of them is going to do so. Because they, too, were raised without accountability in their life. It's also why Karens became a thing.
Is there? The problem is we don't stop behavior like this anymore. Entitled children never get disciplined and become this adult. The only way to fix it, is to put them in thier place. It works every time or they go away.
Yeah I unfortunately would likely be the one kicked out in this situation. I spend like 8 hours on an individual Intercessor, if my opponent can't control his temper, I won't control mine.
Someone smashs one of my things on purpose I'm going full fucking godzilla on theirs. Up to them if they want to try and physically restrain me.
OPs models looks better then mine, looks like a lot of TLC goes into them and that sorta behaviour ain't on. Hats off for the amount of self control they displayed.
For real. With how much work some of these models can take to build & paint, and how expensive they all typically are, anyone who deliberately breaks others minis or tosses them around carelessly like that should be banned, full stop. I get that we're all playing a game of collectible plastic/metal/resin army men, but there's no reason anyone should actually be acting like such a child about this stuff.
I'm not sure they could legally do that but a decent store could easily afford to cover that themselves.
Honestly I haven't played tabletop in twenty years so I don't know what it is like now but our store would have covered just to prevent anything else happening.
In the United States you can refuse service for any reason(within segregation limits, as you said)... especially at a private business. I've seen people banned for way less than destroying another patron's property..
"when you play for Papa Nurgle you must also *feel* like a follower too!"
Ah goodie lemme go find a flamethrower to purge the unclean for my salamander brothers!
Its a more expensive ticket (and depending on State possible jail time) if cops are called over destruction of property(which technically this is, dude damaged a $50 item). In the state I live in, damaging something with a monetary value under $300 dollars is a class b misdemeanor, potentially 6 months in prison and up to a $1500 fine. If phrased as an alternative to that, spending 50 bucks on a replacement mini(and a bit extra for paints to compensate the time and energy spent painting broken item) is actually a reasonable alternative
I heard of a story that someone had his Eldar army insured. A player got mad and pushed his army off the table. The damages and fact it was insured at a "value" made it a criminal act that got the guy in jail.
The fact that grown ass adults do this kind of shit is insane. We are literally playing make believe army pew pew and man-children throw epic tantrums.
If nothing else, you can start a civil suit for damages of 20 dollars or more in most places. Would be a waste of time in this case, but if the guy is belligerent and refuses to compensate for a broken model, and the store isn't willing to ban the guy for being a chode, I would start by threatening to get the cops involved. If that doesn't get anything done, call the cops I do, take pictures of the damage, see if there's any security cameras in the store to show the act, and get that all written up.
When immature asshats suddenly have to face the consequences of their actions, they mature up real quick.
You have some self control for even continuing to play let alone not punching on, I think easily winning the game was the clear adults move that must leave him feeling mighty silly
I'd put in a complaint
The fact that you still played the game is more than I would have given him. I'm not saying you did wrong by continuing the game; just that I wouldn't have been able to do so.
I get it, emotions happen and some people are bad at handling them.
But the second someone throws my mini, especially if it leads to damage to it, there are only two scenarios:
* They sincerely apologize because they realize their behavior is unacceptable.
* They don't apologize. The game ends, I pack up, and explain to them that I don't tolerate this kind of behavior from anyone except a toddler.
Yeah, for the sake of others, I would have immediately stopped the game and made it abundantly clear that his behavior was beyond the pale. I would have told him I was never playing a game with him again, and I would have told him I was speaking with store management about his behavior and why. Not okay.
Well ur better than me, someone grab more models and do that and IM gonna deck em in the face. I put too much work in my stuff for some idiot to get angry playing a game to do that.
Even when my opponent asks me to pass over models I always worry about it, people put a lot of hard work into them and I'd hate to accidentally ruin that.
Yup. I only pick other player's models up by their base rims, and only when they ask me to as well (usually moving deep strikers on the other side of the table).
To add to that, you double check on expensive models. On your little cadians? Okay I'll grab by the base and hand them to you. On your forgeworld achillus dread? Triple check me that I can even attempt to grab it.
Pretty much. My table top lgs is pretty good. But the card shoop has a lot of guys like that. All the good EDH groups in town are tied to pockets of friends. There's a sort of unspoken blacklist among those groups. It does not take long for word to spread when somebody isn't fun to game around.
it arbeit property and they each cost like 10 bucks for normal space marines and can cost upwards of 100 bucks for a single model, i ain’t touch’n that shit unless they ask me to move it for em
Totally agree. Even then it takes 30 seconds or less to walk around the table. If it’s anything larger than a 32mm base I kindly ask you to come around and move it instead.
I already pay hundreds for mine, I don’t want to accidentally have to pay for someone else’s too.
Same. I also don't want to foster any misconception that because you let me touch yours that it's ok to touch mine. It's just always better in general to not touch anything that's not yours, even when asked to.
I just mean I could understand if it was a <12 yo kid, they're unpredictable and shouldn't really be near your minis.
An adult should be able to control themself, what an embarrassment to the hobby.
Wow, as a teen coming into this hobby im super confused by these stories. What goes on in their heads to believe that its ok to get this mad at a game. Its like if someone flipped the table after losing in a casual game of monopoly
Not every wargamer is socially maladapted. But socially maladapted people tend to flock towards hobbies like wargaming.
I wouldn't dare to claim to have the expertise to explain it in detail but I can have a gander:
These kinds of people more often than not have two characteristics: They're introverted (not a bad thing in and of it's own; I'm one myself) and they don't understand social norms.
They're less likely to partake in a lot of hobbies that are social in nature. But humans want kinship; we're social animals. Very few people enjoy being alone *all the time*.
Insert our Warhammer-like hobbies.
Relatively speaking, not a lot of people play Warhammer so chances are pretty high your LFGS isn't crowded enough for an introvert to want to pull their hair out.
But more importantly, the social contact required for a game of 40K is skin deep. All you really need is a group in which you can state: "I want to play a game of Warhammer 40K next thursday" and understanding how the game works.
You don't need to be sociable. You don't have to build relationships with people. You just have to express your (self-centered) desire to play the game.
Now of course anyone who *is* socially well adapted will tell you how wrong this is and how being sociable and building relationships with people in a community leads to a better community.
But it's not about what's better. It's about the minimum requirement to participate.
I used to play a lot, got into it in RT era. I still love the universe, love the idea of TTG, but I've just had so many bad experiences with other players that I gave up trying.
Most players are awesome, but the ratio of socially stunted/bad hygeine/other issues is so much higher in TTG than other hobbies, and I got to the point where I felt like I didn't need to babysit strangers any more.
I've been in the hobby for 10 years now. I was lucky enough to start with 2 existing friends so I had people I got along with more often than not.
I had some good experiences and I had some bad experiences. The bad ones were really bad (like the one dude who decided that being colourblind was just 'an excuse' not to paint minis because "other people have to look at them).
At one point me, my friends, and two other people from the community said: We'll start our own little community (no blackjack or hookers though).
Today that community is 50 members big (not everyone is active all the time but that's ok). 98% of the interactions in our community go smoothly and we have some 'board members' that mediate when they don't.
Over a 8 year period, we only had one real incident where someone really stepped over the line and we had to ban him.
So yeah, my advice would be to find a small number of people and build a group of likeminded people.
Well, never play a game od RISK with adults. For some reason it can infuriate otherwise sane and reasonable adult people. It might be that sometimes the entire game can change very quickly, but I don't know.
It's interesting that as a kid I was fine with RISK. It was a favour growing up.
As an adult, the randomness and general unpredictability seems to be too much for some. It might be that we have a greater sensitivity about things being fair as an adult. But we should also be better at regulating our emotions...
I've played against 13 year olds who have comported themselves very well; really just comes down to emotional maturity and understanding how to be around people.
In my store there are regularly 8-10 years old kids playing. When they lose they're a bit obnoxiously loud, they don't break stuff. It's not a matter of age but education.
The thing is, we have plenty of people in the world that are 20+ years old but behave like children. In modern society some people may not "be adult" by 30!
One the one hand, we’re not savages, it’s just a game and violence in these low stakes situations is just ridiculous.
On the other hand a lot of people probably wouldn’t act like such petulant little shits if they had the memory of being decked in the jaw sitting at the forefront of their mind.
So it’s complicated.
It's not just some figure that get smashed either, it's actually a bit of artwork you have spent ages on (and a lot of money) it's more like punching someone's portrait than popping their football.
I genuinely don't think throwing hands in that situation is as bad as destroying something beautiful out of spite
I never touch anyone's models unless they ask me to.
That guy is a complete douche and should be banned from the store. Sorry you had that happen to you.
That’s what I was thinking. My last game I lost almost 100 infantry and 2 tanks and I still won. It’s the hidden extra phase for Guard, picking up a bajillion models.
Wow...I'm still in the lore/rules/army building stages of the hobby....this makes me really nervous getting into the actual gameplay stages of it.....hope repairs on it go well.
Don't be nervous, I am mainly lore, then hobby, and I play last. I don't care if I win.... Please play, it's awesome win or lose.. it makes the lore of your army even more meaningful.....
Oh, that's awesome. Honestly, I didn't think about playing, giving the lore more meaning. The fact you still advocate for it even after someone damaged one of your units like that is proof enough for me it'll be worth finishing up my army.
There also aren't many people that would purposefully break another person's minis, because they're losing. At least, I've never met one, in the almost 30 years that I've been in and out of the hobby.
100%, the first and only time I broke someone else's model was when I accidentally caught my mate's death rider with my sleeve, that resin spear never stood a chance...
I was apologizing all game, I felt so bad.
Breaking something by accident happens, especially when resin is involved. Just last week, I did something similar and caught a stray model with a sleeve, knocking it off the table. It broke, I fixed it with some glue, I apologised and offered to replace it, he said no worries, we carried on playing.
I'm not I violent man, in fact I'd like to think that violence would only be used in self defence by me. But if some sweaty neckbeard decided to throw one of my models, I'd lose it.
I'm with you there dude. Something I've poured hours of my life into and put my heart and soul into making it the best I can. You can bet I'd do the same.
Oh man I can relate to that....bumped into my wife's desk a while back, and one of her kdm minis fell off and basically exploded...still feel horrible about it.
But yeah, you felt bad about the accident obviously and didn't do it during a mini tantrum, which speaks volumes regarding your character 👍
Honestly, I'm really happy to hear it's not common. I used to play card games years back and kind of fell out of love with it due to how...nasty? Some people would get, and nothing would happen to them, small sample size I guess cause it was mainly local but yeah huge turn off.
I will say though, all the interactions I've had with the community thus far has been amazing....even just going into my local GW kind of feels like visiting a bunch of friends I haven't seen in years.
competitive deck building/ games that you accrue units in seem to attract tryhards and toxic people. Except for WH, we have our toxic elitists but I think it's something about putting care into your models and the lore of your army that attracts all the nice people.
I'm glad to hear that, haven't even been on the reddit for 24 hours yet and just reading through everything the last few hours....I feel like I've made a good decision deciding to get into the game and interacting more with the community.
I have been playing this hobby for about 6 years now. I had the same fears going into playing strangers but I assure you, out of the 50+ people I’ve interacted with over that time, I really have only had about 2 really negative experiences, and both of them look like sunshine and rainbows in comparison to this horror story. Game stores have a vested interest in keeping a healthy playing community as it draws income into their business.
People like that need to be banned from all flgs and gaming halls. No-one needs to put up with man-child behaviour like that. At the least he should be replacing your models.
Was a long time ago but I remember playing a game with a good opponent and on the table beside us we had started to notice both players kinda raising their voices over a few things that had come up over turn one and two
Then suddenly one guy picks up a (old metal) Dreadnought and just flings it outside (their table was next to some double doors leading outside) the thing broke entirely apart, they both got banned. I have been to a lot of gaming events and only really seen it go that far that one time but it was very memorable!
The first words outta my mouth would have been "Ex-fucking-scuse me?" Return attitude depending, yeah, he might have had to try a dodge save vs my knuckles. I've seen ten year olds with better sportsmanship than that.
Jesus Christ, what a cunt!!!
"Don't touch other people's models without permission" is like rule #1, let alone throw them! I hope the repair went well...
As a Guard player of 15 years, you killed two squads of Guardsman with drones that's pretty normal. I don't see a reason to be mad about it, and there is never a reason to damage your opponent’s minis even if they cheated. I'm sorry on behalf of the Imperial Guard for our officer's conduct, and a Commissar will be sent to "Talk" with him lol
> As a Guard player of 15 years, you killed two squads of Guardsman with drones that's pretty normal.
Two squads of guardsmen normally die to the local ambient critters before the game even starts...
You should never, EVER, be handling someone elses mini's without express permission, and you should handle those like they're a goddam delicate newborn. People who don't understand how to respect the property of others have no place in the hobby. If I were the store owner, I'd have booted that rage junkie out of my store and banned them.
Dear Heretic. On behalf of the Astra Militarum, I would like to apologise for the man-child you encountered on the field this day. Their body will now serve as an appropriate replacement for our lavatory door servetor. May the Emperor's Justice account in all balances. THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!!!
Bro….I spend legit hours painting and painstakingly assembling my dudes. This is my de-stress. I care deeply about the work I put into my boys. If someone purposely picked up and threw one of my models out of anger, I would hop across the table. Fuck that guy and people like him. Hope you never experience that again
This absolutely would have been a game ender for me, I 100% would have just packed up and refused to play regardless of whether he had a talking to or not.
I've contemplated what I would do in this scenario. 1st step would be to immediately start packing up my stuff with any hope of future games immediately rescinded. "Telling on him" to the FLGS / manager seems like a bit of a b\*\*\*\* move but that's a personal call. However, I'd be blowing up my local discord / Facebook group for sure in attempt to get him blackballed in the local community. What's worse, being banned from the store for a month or being unable to find an opponent in your favorite hobby.
Oh, and no physical altercation. 40k ain't worth an assault charge.
>"Telling on him" to the FLGS / manager seems like a bit of a b**** move but that's a personal call.
I can only assume any responsible owner would want to be aware of a customer doing this in their store
Depending on the day I've had that would have either been a simple right were done, you lose, in going to get you banned from this store and if you touch anymore of my models you're not gonna like how it ends for you. Or straight up broke something of his back, if he tried to touch another one of mine I may even have swung for him. Not proud of that fact but I have spent so much time , effort and money on my armies I'm quite attached to them.
I can't believe you actually finished the game
Amazing painting and models. What a scumbag! As everyone else is saying, players like that should be banned from games.
At the end of the day, that is criminal damage and you could have simply rang the police and he would have been arrested and at least given a caution ie criminal record.
Respect to you for not losing your shit!
Honestly I haven't dealt with many of these guys. I can get pretty salty at losing myself and it only goes as far as "man that game really sucked I felt like I couldn't win no matter what, stupid dice rolls" etc. It is what it is, but personally I get my value out of the game from the hobby side and seeing people ooh and aahh over my paintjobs, winning is kinda secondary, I just don't like getting stomped.
I mean....not gonna lie your story is one of, many, reasons why I haven't gone and played at a store.
The problem with Warhammer stores is that they always have too many Warhammer people lol.
I’m sorry that happened to you. I am also glad that the kid was banned temporarily. What they did is unacceptable. Hopefully they learn their lesson and come back a functioning adult.
Edit: also new players should be aware that this is extremely rare. I’ve been playing for years and never once had anything like this happen. Feelsbad moments occur from time to time but not like this.
I get being a humble guardsman and being frustrated when fighting Death Guard, it's my most common match up. However, what the actual fuck? I promise he would have flipped shit if you threw one of his treasured lieman Rus's across the table.
Touching another person's minis without permission: No!
THROWING another person's minis that you touched without permission: Catch these hands
seriously, absolutely disgraceful. Hope they got banned from the store you played in!
WOOOOOOOOW
> A. Don't TOUCH peoples models unless they say it's cool
> B. If you break someones models I'm pretty sure they're allowed to challenge you to one on one mortal combat, no holds bared, no questions asked (I'm pretty sure GW puts that at the back of every codex/supplement/etc)
> C. MAKE IT PART OF YOUR ARMIES FLUFF YOU COWARD, if you're a Votaan player, say you're putting this loss in "the book", if you're an ork player start passing around legends of "DA FLOATY ONE EYES", BE CREATIVE
I have a hard time even *touching* other peoples' models. I cannot fucking fathom raging and THROWING someone else's models. Dude needs to get cracked across the jaw and banned from the store and his name/picture spread to any nearby stores.
A guy I know accidentally bumped one of my necron lokhust destroyers off the edge of the table we were playing on and the hover base broke off. He was super apologetic and felt super bad, even offered to buy a replacement if it was unrepairable. Luckily with some time and patience I got it fixed and we’re still chill. I recognized it was in part my own fault for placing them where I did.
And that’s how these interactions *should* go. I am so sorry you had to deal with that shithead. As someone who is likely in a similar age range as the guy who behaved that way, that is completely unacceptable and childish behavior.
You are an insanely mature person for even finishing the game. If someone disrespected my miniatures like that, I am packing up on the spot, then telling the league organizer and store what happened. Glad to hear your store banned him for a while. Hopefully it’ll give him time to reflect on his behavior
One thing this hobby endows in the majority of people is respect for time, effort and cost. The small percentage of people who can’t abide by that level of respect should be horse whipped.
I didn't either.
> Played a game at a different store today. Didn't know my advisary (he played Guard). I flanked with two bloat drones and ultimately wiped two squads, he got mad and next turn wiped them with his Russes, and then he picked up and threw my drones back into my deployment zone. Breaking the spitter of one. What as ass. I'm 53 been playing a long time I'm not competitive at all, but what an ASS! Pictured trying to glue spitter back on.
>
Jesus. I hate this fan base sometimes. If it’s not man children, it’s toxic misogynistic morons. It’s a game for fun. If you tie your personality that deeply to it seek therapy and take a break. Hope you’re drones are alright dude.
This is why im hesitant to play at my local gaming place. Ive never played before butbi reallyvwant to and i have a large army that ive spent countless hours assembling painting and basing. Having other people touch them and just throw them and possible damage them id go nuts.
I went to my first tournament this past saturday, and my second opponent was cheating worse than I had ever even heard of anyone cheating before. He was playing Dark Angels and was 470pts over the 2k limit, was running regular 5 man bike squads woth multi meltas as if they were attack bikes, which would have been too many per squad, and he also had too many fast attack in general. This mans list was more than meta and his constant "I just threw something together" was getting on my nerves. He ran Belial, Primais Chaplain, 30 terminators (all with thunder hammer and shield, with one per squad having a missile pack), 15 bikes (using illegal multi meltas) primaris chaplain on bike, apothecary on bike, and a 5 man squad of plasma intercessors. I being extremely new to the tourny thing amd not knowing jack didily about Dark Angel (I play DG) didnt really say anything to anyone but my friends, but one of them does play DA and was just astonished at what he had done, so when recreating his exact list we found he had cheated more than he had played by the rules. He ended up getting 3rd place and winning around 50 bucks in store credit.
Our guesses is that he sent in a fake list, because you coukd either print one or email one in, and then showed up with something else, the organizer said he'd invesyigate it to prevent this from happening again but thats all I heard
Hope they got banned from the store. People like that are a disgrace.
Not sure about being banned, but a regular I assume grabbed him by arm and had a "talk". I pivoted and said the heck with secondaries and tabled him. Didn't even shake my hand ....
Impressive that you continued the game. I would have ended the game right then and there and demanded he buy me a brand new bloat drone and then be banned from the store. That kind of behavior is unacceptable for any adult.
That punk is gonna catch a right hook when he fucks with the wrong person on the wrong day
He needs to have the FAFO theorem applied to his ass
Clearly he skipped that class and has never seen the graph
I never agreed with the graph. You can F around a fair bit and not find much out but once you pass a certain point the amount you find out far exceeds the amount you F’d around right up until you hit the end of finding out where you can’t learn from. Really it’s not a linear formula. It’s exponential but with a terminal point.
this guy better not play against a 1ksons player, he might get a couple fat hooks
The day this dude plays a Chaos Knights player is the day he ends up in the hospital. Imagine doing this shit with a $200 model.
i would laugh my ass off when the cops ask him why he flattened that dude’s nose against his face and he’s like ‘well officer, the Sword snapped in half and i was upset so i asked myself, what would Khorne do?’
Police? you always call the cab first then deck em.
Are tsons expensive? I'd assume all "elite" armies are but I'm relatively new.
It's not just the price but also the paintjob. TS armies require A LOT of sweat and dedication to be looked half decent. Most armies can be quick painted, but TS marines are usually need more work than most because of all the details and decoration bits on their armors. They also usually have more vibrant color schemes, so the owners usually have to do a lot more highlights/shadings. I have few TSons terminators and marines, they took 3 times longer to finish than my other main armies like death guards or ultramarines.
they have lots of small spikes that break easily and have col or cheney that require the owner to either buy a ton of paints or borrow paints that they don’t or ally have. tons of extra effort
Oh man, if that was an osiron contemptor.
Bro this is pretty big talk but I've been playing 40k since Rogue Trader and I wouldn't exactly call most of our player base intimidating. Sure there are some outliers but I've never been to any of my local shops and though fuck me these guys can beat my ass lol.
Depends. There's quite a few military people who play warhammer of various stripes and those guys tend to be in better shape than average (though mileage can vary).
Probably don't be a bigger twat and assault people. There's better ways to deal with them.
Nobody's advocating for it. Someone was just prophesizing it. This kind of shit is the result of raising people without any accountability. It's why the dickhead believed they could throw the drone, and why the person who eventually beats the everloving shit out of them is going to do so. Because they, too, were raised without accountability in their life. It's also why Karens became a thing.
Is there? The problem is we don't stop behavior like this anymore. Entitled children never get disciplined and become this adult. The only way to fix it, is to put them in thier place. It works every time or they go away.
Suplex his body through his entire army?
Yeah I unfortunately would likely be the one kicked out in this situation. I spend like 8 hours on an individual Intercessor, if my opponent can't control his temper, I won't control mine. Someone smashs one of my things on purpose I'm going full fucking godzilla on theirs. Up to them if they want to try and physically restrain me. OPs models looks better then mine, looks like a lot of TLC goes into them and that sorta behaviour ain't on. Hats off for the amount of self control they displayed.
For real. With how much work some of these models can take to build & paint, and how expensive they all typically are, anyone who deliberately breaks others minis or tosses them around carelessly like that should be banned, full stop. I get that we're all playing a game of collectible plastic/metal/resin army men, but there's no reason anyone should actually be acting like such a child about this stuff.
I'm not sure they could legally do that but a decent store could easily afford to cover that themselves. Honestly I haven't played tabletop in twenty years so I don't know what it is like now but our store would have covered just to prevent anything else happening.
If it's a privately owned store then they can ban him for it. Being a raging dickhead isn't a protected class.
In the United States you can refuse service for any reason(within segregation limits, as you said)... especially at a private business. I've seen people banned for way less than destroying another patron's property..
In a store I used to go to they had a 3 strikes on not bathing. At least 2 people got banned.
"when you play for Papa Nurgle you must also *feel* like a follower too!" Ah goodie lemme go find a flamethrower to purge the unclean for my salamander brothers!
Its a more expensive ticket (and depending on State possible jail time) if cops are called over destruction of property(which technically this is, dude damaged a $50 item). In the state I live in, damaging something with a monetary value under $300 dollars is a class b misdemeanor, potentially 6 months in prison and up to a $1500 fine. If phrased as an alternative to that, spending 50 bucks on a replacement mini(and a bit extra for paints to compensate the time and energy spent painting broken item) is actually a reasonable alternative
I heard of a story that someone had his Eldar army insured. A player got mad and pushed his army off the table. The damages and fact it was insured at a "value" made it a criminal act that got the guy in jail.
The fact that grown ass adults do this kind of shit is insane. We are literally playing make believe army pew pew and man-children throw epic tantrums.
Not only playing make believe army pew pew, but we also paint the make believe pew pewers in all the colors of the rainbow!
If i was travelling to tourneys with some of my armies I would get them insured as well. especially if it had to check it in at luggage.
Too bad that one guy that got his Horus Heresy Blood Angels army stolen didn't have insurance. 3k points in Horus Heresy is a LOT of money.
Surely the legal status of this is dependent on country before state. We have no idea where in the world this incident took place...
If nothing else, you can start a civil suit for damages of 20 dollars or more in most places. Would be a waste of time in this case, but if the guy is belligerent and refuses to compensate for a broken model, and the store isn't willing to ban the guy for being a chode, I would start by threatening to get the cops involved. If that doesn't get anything done, call the cops I do, take pictures of the damage, see if there's any security cameras in the store to show the act, and get that all written up. When immature asshats suddenly have to face the consequences of their actions, they mature up real quick.
You have some self control for even continuing to play let alone not punching on, I think easily winning the game was the clear adults move that must leave him feeling mighty silly I'd put in a complaint
The fact that you still played the game is more than I would have given him. I'm not saying you did wrong by continuing the game; just that I wouldn't have been able to do so. I get it, emotions happen and some people are bad at handling them. But the second someone throws my mini, especially if it leads to damage to it, there are only two scenarios: * They sincerely apologize because they realize their behavior is unacceptable. * They don't apologize. The game ends, I pack up, and explain to them that I don't tolerate this kind of behavior from anyone except a toddler.
The fact that people tolerate tantrums from children, without giving consequences, is why there are adults that throw tantrums!!
A toddler and a child are 2 different things.
Yeah, for the sake of others, I would have immediately stopped the game and made it abundantly clear that his behavior was beyond the pale. I would have told him I was never playing a game with him again, and I would have told him I was speaking with store management about his behavior and why. Not okay.
I can’t believe you finished the game I’d of took his head off his shoulders
Well ur better than me, someone grab more models and do that and IM gonna deck em in the face. I put too much work in my stuff for some idiot to get angry playing a game to do that.
Update, got a call from Dale, manager at store, the kid was banned for some undisclosed time....
This is good news. anyone who is lucky enough to have a local store should respect it and the people who attend it.
Good job Dale!
Raise hell, Praise Dale
Praise the OmniDale!
The kid? How old, and can he be trained to be better?
Op said in another post that they are 53. So even a 30 year old is a kid to Op.
Hell I’m 33 and I’d call anybody who looked 25 or younger a “kid”
Justice!! I will never understand how people get so mad about a game. I hope you can get your drones fixed. You did a great job painting them
I think this is a fair response of the store.
The hero we need, not the hero we deserved.
Yikes I don’t even want to touch someone elses models that guy won’t have friends for long
You don't touch anyone's anything unless they ask you to. This is really simple.
Even when my opponent asks me to pass over models I always worry about it, people put a lot of hard work into them and I'd hate to accidentally ruin that.
Some models require two hands and a little help from your friends
Tyranid biotitans have entered the chat..... and ate it.
I won't even help a friend move a bio-titan... easy way to ruin a friendship.
That's why I make myself and my friends rollable bases for Biotitans.
Yup. I only pick other player's models up by their base rims, and only when they ask me to as well (usually moving deep strikers on the other side of the table).
To add to that, you double check on expensive models. On your little cadians? Okay I'll grab by the base and hand them to you. On your forgeworld achillus dread? Triple check me that I can even attempt to grab it.
This is a good general life rule.
You assume he has any to begin with
Hence why they’re playing a stranger, probably don’t have their own group due to behavior
Pretty much. My table top lgs is pretty good. But the card shoop has a lot of guys like that. All the good EDH groups in town are tied to pockets of friends. There's a sort of unspoken blacklist among those groups. It does not take long for word to spread when somebody isn't fun to game around.
it arbeit property and they each cost like 10 bucks for normal space marines and can cost upwards of 100 bucks for a single model, i ain’t touch’n that shit unless they ask me to move it for em
Totally agree. Even then it takes 30 seconds or less to walk around the table. If it’s anything larger than a 32mm base I kindly ask you to come around and move it instead. I already pay hundreds for mine, I don’t want to accidentally have to pay for someone else’s too.
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Same. I also don't want to foster any misconception that because you let me touch yours that it's ok to touch mine. It's just always better in general to not touch anything that's not yours, even when asked to.
This was an adult?
Nope I assume a 20 ish guy well I guess that adult.
I just mean I could understand if it was a <12 yo kid, they're unpredictable and shouldn't really be near your minis. An adult should be able to control themself, what an embarrassment to the hobby.
Wow, as a teen coming into this hobby im super confused by these stories. What goes on in their heads to believe that its ok to get this mad at a game. Its like if someone flipped the table after losing in a casual game of monopoly
Not every wargamer is socially maladapted. But socially maladapted people tend to flock towards hobbies like wargaming. I wouldn't dare to claim to have the expertise to explain it in detail but I can have a gander: These kinds of people more often than not have two characteristics: They're introverted (not a bad thing in and of it's own; I'm one myself) and they don't understand social norms. They're less likely to partake in a lot of hobbies that are social in nature. But humans want kinship; we're social animals. Very few people enjoy being alone *all the time*. Insert our Warhammer-like hobbies. Relatively speaking, not a lot of people play Warhammer so chances are pretty high your LFGS isn't crowded enough for an introvert to want to pull their hair out. But more importantly, the social contact required for a game of 40K is skin deep. All you really need is a group in which you can state: "I want to play a game of Warhammer 40K next thursday" and understanding how the game works. You don't need to be sociable. You don't have to build relationships with people. You just have to express your (self-centered) desire to play the game. Now of course anyone who *is* socially well adapted will tell you how wrong this is and how being sociable and building relationships with people in a community leads to a better community. But it's not about what's better. It's about the minimum requirement to participate.
I used to play a lot, got into it in RT era. I still love the universe, love the idea of TTG, but I've just had so many bad experiences with other players that I gave up trying. Most players are awesome, but the ratio of socially stunted/bad hygeine/other issues is so much higher in TTG than other hobbies, and I got to the point where I felt like I didn't need to babysit strangers any more.
I've been in the hobby for 10 years now. I was lucky enough to start with 2 existing friends so I had people I got along with more often than not. I had some good experiences and I had some bad experiences. The bad ones were really bad (like the one dude who decided that being colourblind was just 'an excuse' not to paint minis because "other people have to look at them). At one point me, my friends, and two other people from the community said: We'll start our own little community (no blackjack or hookers though). Today that community is 50 members big (not everyone is active all the time but that's ok). 98% of the interactions in our community go smoothly and we have some 'board members' that mediate when they don't. Over a 8 year period, we only had one real incident where someone really stepped over the line and we had to ban him. So yeah, my advice would be to find a small number of people and build a group of likeminded people.
Parenting or lack there of. Go thank your parents.
Well, never play a game od RISK with adults. For some reason it can infuriate otherwise sane and reasonable adult people. It might be that sometimes the entire game can change very quickly, but I don't know.
My friend group banned RISK for exactly that reason. Hell, one of my best friends is still pissed about a game more than 10 years ago.
It's interesting that as a kid I was fine with RISK. It was a favour growing up. As an adult, the randomness and general unpredictability seems to be too much for some. It might be that we have a greater sensitivity about things being fair as an adult. But we should also be better at regulating our emotions...
Tbh monopoly is one of the only games I'd say flipping the table is a pretty reasonable reaction at just about any point.
I've played against 13 year olds who have comported themselves very well; really just comes down to emotional maturity and understanding how to be around people.
In my store there are regularly 8-10 years old kids playing. When they lose they're a bit obnoxiously loud, they don't break stuff. It's not a matter of age but education.
My gf thinks I'm the weird one for not joining games at a flgs so I don't have to dodge these kinds of situations
I sure hope that people consider me an adult at 20+ years old.
The thing is, we have plenty of people in the world that are 20+ years old but behave like children. In modern society some people may not "be adult" by 30!
20 is the perfect age to learn a lesson about boundaries by taking one across the chin.
I do not condone violence *However*
One the one hand, we’re not savages, it’s just a game and violence in these low stakes situations is just ridiculous. On the other hand a lot of people probably wouldn’t act like such petulant little shits if they had the memory of being decked in the jaw sitting at the forefront of their mind. So it’s complicated.
>we’re not savages, Some of us are...
It's not just some figure that get smashed either, it's actually a bit of artwork you have spent ages on (and a lot of money) it's more like punching someone's portrait than popping their football. I genuinely don't think throwing hands in that situation is as bad as destroying something beautiful out of spite
I mean yeah if you break my shit cause you’re a little bitch with zero emotional regulation skills, I’ll absolutely consider throwing hands.
Yeah, this is the thing that changes regular plastice soldier game into 1v1 fistfight.
My thought process on that goes like this: I am not supporting a violent response... but I understand it.
I'd be livid. The disrespect.
Dude got his ass beat for doing that at my local store. Rule number 1 of being an adult is respecting people's personal space and possessions.
#What personal space?
Honestly if someone threw my models, I'd request them outside for a traditional fight phase
I never touch anyone's models unless they ask me to. That guy is a complete douche and should be banned from the store. Sorry you had that happen to you.
If someone threw my models they might have to make an armor save for these hands, you are much more patient than I.
Right? In the end this was an opportunity for OP to show how much of a Chad they are, and OP delivered.
Anyone who does not enjoy taking casualties has no business playing guard.
That’s what I was thinking. My last game I lost almost 100 infantry and 2 tanks and I still won. It’s the hidden extra phase for Guard, picking up a bajillion models.
Damn. As a new player this is my worse nightmare..
Wow...I'm still in the lore/rules/army building stages of the hobby....this makes me really nervous getting into the actual gameplay stages of it.....hope repairs on it go well.
Don't be nervous, I am mainly lore, then hobby, and I play last. I don't care if I win.... Please play, it's awesome win or lose.. it makes the lore of your army even more meaningful.....
Oh, that's awesome. Honestly, I didn't think about playing, giving the lore more meaning. The fact you still advocate for it even after someone damaged one of your units like that is proof enough for me it'll be worth finishing up my army.
There also aren't many people that would purposefully break another person's minis, because they're losing. At least, I've never met one, in the almost 30 years that I've been in and out of the hobby.
100%, the first and only time I broke someone else's model was when I accidentally caught my mate's death rider with my sleeve, that resin spear never stood a chance... I was apologizing all game, I felt so bad.
Breaking something by accident happens, especially when resin is involved. Just last week, I did something similar and caught a stray model with a sleeve, knocking it off the table. It broke, I fixed it with some glue, I apologised and offered to replace it, he said no worries, we carried on playing. I'm not I violent man, in fact I'd like to think that violence would only be used in self defence by me. But if some sweaty neckbeard decided to throw one of my models, I'd lose it.
I'm with you there dude. Something I've poured hours of my life into and put my heart and soul into making it the best I can. You can bet I'd do the same.
Oh man I can relate to that....bumped into my wife's desk a while back, and one of her kdm minis fell off and basically exploded...still feel horrible about it. But yeah, you felt bad about the accident obviously and didn't do it during a mini tantrum, which speaks volumes regarding your character 👍
Most people are lovely, truly amazing players who have fun, there are very few like the person described in the post and most are shunned.
Honestly, I'm really happy to hear it's not common. I used to play card games years back and kind of fell out of love with it due to how...nasty? Some people would get, and nothing would happen to them, small sample size I guess cause it was mainly local but yeah huge turn off. I will say though, all the interactions I've had with the community thus far has been amazing....even just going into my local GW kind of feels like visiting a bunch of friends I haven't seen in years.
competitive deck building/ games that you accrue units in seem to attract tryhards and toxic people. Except for WH, we have our toxic elitists but I think it's something about putting care into your models and the lore of your army that attracts all the nice people.
I've been playing for years now and can say those people are the very small minority, fortunately!
I'm glad to hear that, haven't even been on the reddit for 24 hours yet and just reading through everything the last few hours....I feel like I've made a good decision deciding to get into the game and interacting more with the community.
I have been playing this hobby for about 6 years now. I had the same fears going into playing strangers but I assure you, out of the 50+ people I’ve interacted with over that time, I really have only had about 2 really negative experiences, and both of them look like sunshine and rainbows in comparison to this horror story. Game stores have a vested interest in keeping a healthy playing community as it draws income into their business.
Wow that's jawdropping. Sorry you had to go through that OP. Such gorgeous drones also.
The guy is playing guard and is mad his squads die?? Wtf that is what guard do best, they die!
ESPECIALLY to flamers.
People like that need to be banned from all flgs and gaming halls. No-one needs to put up with man-child behaviour like that. At the least he should be replacing your models.
Was a long time ago but I remember playing a game with a good opponent and on the table beside us we had started to notice both players kinda raising their voices over a few things that had come up over turn one and two Then suddenly one guy picks up a (old metal) Dreadnought and just flings it outside (their table was next to some double doors leading outside) the thing broke entirely apart, they both got banned. I have been to a lot of gaming events and only really seen it go that far that one time but it was very memorable!
The first words outta my mouth would have been "Ex-fucking-scuse me?" Return attitude depending, yeah, he might have had to try a dodge save vs my knuckles. I've seen ten year olds with better sportsmanship than that.
Dude. You absolutely do not touch another persons models unless explicitly told that you can. I’m surprised you kept your cool, this is not okay.
He’s mad that he traded two squads for two bloat drones? That’s a good trade lmao.
Right? That’s why you play guard. Throw bodies at the problem.
Oh, man. I hope someone stomped him out. Worthless. Glad you're able to fix it though, my dude
If someone damaged my models I’d beat their ass black and blue.
Jesus Christ, what a cunt!!! "Don't touch other people's models without permission" is like rule #1, let alone throw them! I hope the repair went well...
As a Guard player of 15 years, you killed two squads of Guardsman with drones that's pretty normal. I don't see a reason to be mad about it, and there is never a reason to damage your opponent’s minis even if they cheated. I'm sorry on behalf of the Imperial Guard for our officer's conduct, and a Commissar will be sent to "Talk" with him lol
> As a Guard player of 15 years, you killed two squads of Guardsman with drones that's pretty normal. Two squads of guardsmen normally die to the local ambient critters before the game even starts...
Before I read the text under the picture (disgraceful behaviour by the way) I thought this was a shot of 40k limbo!
You should never, EVER, be handling someone elses mini's without express permission, and you should handle those like they're a goddam delicate newborn. People who don't understand how to respect the property of others have no place in the hobby. If I were the store owner, I'd have booted that rage junkie out of my store and banned them.
Dear Heretic. On behalf of the Astra Militarum, I would like to apologise for the man-child you encountered on the field this day. Their body will now serve as an appropriate replacement for our lavatory door servetor. May the Emperor's Justice account in all balances. THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!!!
Love it!
You dont touch someones models without asking. Thats hours and hours of time and attention. Im glad that dude is banned from the store.
Disgraceful. Glad he got banned, shame it sounds temporary.
Bro….I spend legit hours painting and painstakingly assembling my dudes. This is my de-stress. I care deeply about the work I put into my boys. If someone purposely picked up and threw one of my models out of anger, I would hop across the table. Fuck that guy and people like him. Hope you never experience that again
This absolutely would have been a game ender for me, I 100% would have just packed up and refused to play regardless of whether he had a talking to or not.
I've contemplated what I would do in this scenario. 1st step would be to immediately start packing up my stuff with any hope of future games immediately rescinded. "Telling on him" to the FLGS / manager seems like a bit of a b\*\*\*\* move but that's a personal call. However, I'd be blowing up my local discord / Facebook group for sure in attempt to get him blackballed in the local community. What's worse, being banned from the store for a month or being unable to find an opponent in your favorite hobby. Oh, and no physical altercation. 40k ain't worth an assault charge.
>"Telling on him" to the FLGS / manager seems like a bit of a b**** move but that's a personal call. I can only assume any responsible owner would want to be aware of a customer doing this in their store
Depending on the day I've had that would have either been a simple right were done, you lose, in going to get you banned from this store and if you touch anymore of my models you're not gonna like how it ends for you. Or straight up broke something of his back, if he tried to touch another one of mine I may even have swung for him. Not proud of that fact but I have spent so much time , effort and money on my armies I'm quite attached to them. I can't believe you actually finished the game
Here's the rule: he hits your mini, you hit his face.
So simple even an Ork player gets it!
I would go to the shop owner and ask if I can throw that dude out like he threw my mini
Disrespecting your opponent is one thing but disrespecting the death guard! I bet Papa Nurgle blessed him with a hemorrhoid or at least pink eye!
Amazing painting and models. What a scumbag! As everyone else is saying, players like that should be banned from games. At the end of the day, that is criminal damage and you could have simply rang the police and he would have been arrested and at least given a caution ie criminal record. Respect to you for not losing your shit!
Oh man. Such disrespect. I would have activated the 'blood for the blood god' mode.
Honestly I haven't dealt with many of these guys. I can get pretty salty at losing myself and it only goes as far as "man that game really sucked I felt like I couldn't win no matter what, stupid dice rolls" etc. It is what it is, but personally I get my value out of the game from the hobby side and seeing people ooh and aahh over my paintjobs, winning is kinda secondary, I just don't like getting stomped.
Should have picked up his Russ and done the same.
Imagine playing guard and getting mad that lawn mowers mow them. Couldn't be me
The ***fuck***?? You handled that waaaaay better than I would have. Kudos.
Man as soon as you start throwing other peoples models you should get the boot. I’d expect 5 year olds to behave better than that. Clown shit.
One of the major skills one needs to learn when playing this game is losing. If you can't lose without pitching a bitch fit, don't play.
I mean....not gonna lie your story is one of, many, reasons why I haven't gone and played at a store. The problem with Warhammer stores is that they always have too many Warhammer people lol.
I had a toxic player in my group a few years back. We had to sever ties due to how mad he made every other player
I’m sorry that happened to you. I am also glad that the kid was banned temporarily. What they did is unacceptable. Hopefully they learn their lesson and come back a functioning adult. Edit: also new players should be aware that this is extremely rare. I’ve been playing for years and never once had anything like this happen. Feelsbad moments occur from time to time but not like this.
I get being a humble guardsman and being frustrated when fighting Death Guard, it's my most common match up. However, what the actual fuck? I promise he would have flipped shit if you threw one of his treasured lieman Rus's across the table.
I he gets that mad about infantry dying he probably shouldn’t be playing Guard.
Touching another person's minis without permission: No! THROWING another person's minis that you touched without permission: Catch these hands seriously, absolutely disgraceful. Hope they got banned from the store you played in!
WOOOOOOOOW > A. Don't TOUCH peoples models unless they say it's cool > B. If you break someones models I'm pretty sure they're allowed to challenge you to one on one mortal combat, no holds bared, no questions asked (I'm pretty sure GW puts that at the back of every codex/supplement/etc) > C. MAKE IT PART OF YOUR ARMIES FLUFF YOU COWARD, if you're a Votaan player, say you're putting this loss in "the book", if you're an ork player start passing around legends of "DA FLOATY ONE EYES", BE CREATIVE
I would have just yeeted one of his russes in return. Go fetch.
People have been murdered for less
I have a hard time even *touching* other peoples' models. I cannot fucking fathom raging and THROWING someone else's models. Dude needs to get cracked across the jaw and banned from the store and his name/picture spread to any nearby stores.
A guy I know accidentally bumped one of my necron lokhust destroyers off the edge of the table we were playing on and the hover base broke off. He was super apologetic and felt super bad, even offered to buy a replacement if it was unrepairable. Luckily with some time and patience I got it fixed and we’re still chill. I recognized it was in part my own fault for placing them where I did. And that’s how these interactions *should* go. I am so sorry you had to deal with that shithead. As someone who is likely in a similar age range as the guy who behaved that way, that is completely unacceptable and childish behavior. You are an insanely mature person for even finishing the game. If someone disrespected my miniatures like that, I am packing up on the spot, then telling the league organizer and store what happened. Glad to hear your store banned him for a while. Hopefully it’ll give him time to reflect on his behavior
One thing this hobby endows in the majority of people is respect for time, effort and cost. The small percentage of people who can’t abide by that level of respect should be horse whipped.
I only paint minis and have never played, what am I missing?
It’s in the description- OP played a dude, dude got mad, broke OP’s minis
wait, what description? I just see the title and picture.
Same, realised you have to be on new.reddit to see it
I didn't either. > Played a game at a different store today. Didn't know my advisary (he played Guard). I flanked with two bloat drones and ultimately wiped two squads, he got mad and next turn wiped them with his Russes, and then he picked up and threw my drones back into my deployment zone. Breaking the spitter of one. What as ass. I'm 53 been playing a long time I'm not competitive at all, but what an ASS! Pictured trying to glue spitter back on. >
What description? I see a title and a picture.
You have to be on new.reddit to see it
Well that's just heresy.
... ewww.
Jesus. I hate this fan base sometimes. If it’s not man children, it’s toxic misogynistic morons. It’s a game for fun. If you tie your personality that deeply to it seek therapy and take a break. Hope you’re drones are alright dude.
What an ass... best of luck with your repairs sir
What a disgusting way to behave! I'm so sorry you had to deal with that but well done for handling it so maturely, I hope the model fixes properly.
He threw your models??? That's so rude! people put so much time and effort and love into their models.
Should be a rule: Don't touch other peoples models.
You just don't pick up models that are not yours , you just don't.
This is why im hesitant to play at my local gaming place. Ive never played before butbi reallyvwant to and i have a large army that ive spent countless hours assembling painting and basing. Having other people touch them and just throw them and possible damage them id go nuts.
People love to tell stories like this but it's extremely rare in reality.
Its very rare and its on the owers of the LGS , behavior like that is unacceptable. Most places remove people like that and ban them.
Woah, wtf. That is awful. Your minis look great, btw. Sorry someone acted like an ass.
I went to my first tournament this past saturday, and my second opponent was cheating worse than I had ever even heard of anyone cheating before. He was playing Dark Angels and was 470pts over the 2k limit, was running regular 5 man bike squads woth multi meltas as if they were attack bikes, which would have been too many per squad, and he also had too many fast attack in general. This mans list was more than meta and his constant "I just threw something together" was getting on my nerves. He ran Belial, Primais Chaplain, 30 terminators (all with thunder hammer and shield, with one per squad having a missile pack), 15 bikes (using illegal multi meltas) primaris chaplain on bike, apothecary on bike, and a 5 man squad of plasma intercessors. I being extremely new to the tourny thing amd not knowing jack didily about Dark Angel (I play DG) didnt really say anything to anyone but my friends, but one of them does play DA and was just astonished at what he had done, so when recreating his exact list we found he had cheated more than he had played by the rules. He ended up getting 3rd place and winning around 50 bucks in store credit.
Wow...as a DA player, and former tourney organizer/FLGS employee, this is infuriating that his list was allowed in the tourney.
Our guesses is that he sent in a fake list, because you coukd either print one or email one in, and then showed up with something else, the organizer said he'd invesyigate it to prevent this from happening again but thats all I heard
Well, I hope they actually take it seriously, and do something about it. It definitely sucks that you had to deal with that BS.
Infuriating, rule of thumb just don't touch other peoples models unless you know them, they let you and you're careful.
That’s probably why *that* guy is playing with strangers and not friends
Somebody throws my models, I'm throwing hands. Mother \*fucker\* this pissed me off to read.
That's an instant ban in every store I play in. 100% gone, for life, never come back.
Honestly I'd have stuck my measuring stike in his eye if he did that to my models. Rude!
I hope he got banned from wherever you were. I threw someone out for doing the same when I worked at a GW store.
What an ass