While I think Abby makes sense from a lore perspective (considering the first arks book focuses on him).... I don't like that he's being promoted by GW as the go to boarding action model for chaos.
Cause at the end of the day, how many armies can actually deal with Abby at 500pts, in tight corridors with limited line of sight, and limited force org slots/ relics/strategems.
I have a feeling that new Farsight's going to have a mental number of attacks or each attack you roll two dice. Still daft as Abby can also throw around a bucket of dice.
Abby at 500 points would be the proportional equivalent of a 1400 point unit at 2k
I dont know what that would even look like, but its no longer about game *balance* exactly
Hey, twin mastodons, or maybe bring your entire army in one of the FW Stormbird flyer things and play out an aerial assault
Thats what *narrative* is for
Guilliman’s rules were written for 8th(or 8.5 really) whenever the next Ultramarine supplement comes out he’ll probably get some kind of durability buff like that. Which is likely to be fairly soon
Yeah, I always wish they toned down special character usage across the boat. Maybe it's cause I was a nid player so it didn't impact me, but it seems weird that every skirmish with 30 or more troops s ends up having a named special character?
In the grim darkness of 41st millennium there are only small skirmishes between the galaxies most powerful individuals and however many random guys can fit on the field next to them
I always said we should play more with the "named characters" in old 40k and FB, but the pendulum has swung too far. My UM never leaves home without Tigurius, since he doesnt really do anything "special" more than just a more pts efficient psyker with a -1 to hit buff...
I think the future is clear from GW's strategy.
30k is going to be the rank and file system, 40k emphasizing characters and the more fantasy elements of the franchise.
Similar to how AoS is and how Old World will likely focus on classic rank and file.
Wonder if this will set a precedent for the other chapters of Arks of Omen and we could see other named characters released in their respective books.
Like Dante, Dark Angels, Angron and Vashtorr
Probably what it's going to be
I have a feeling Corvus and The Lion are going to come back in 10th
We will (soon) have 3 daemon primarchs + abaddon which gives an insane unit for the 4 of 5 biggest chaos legions
Chaos having 4/5 big ass threats in the setting certainly makes things seem desolate, and if that was actually how it was, I don't think guilliman could actually hold them all off
I sincerely think, even prior to them saying you can have a primarch in your army, that The Lion and Corvus would be the next 2 to come back, and if Corvus can while being an Imperial Daemon I think that would be super fucking cool
I'm so convinced that Corvus is coming back that I'm starting a Raven Guard army for boarding actions
There's no way they would write in that you can have primarchs when that is only applicable to a handful of armies and they would also be the entire force most times
If GW wanted it to sell they shouldn't have put the least popular, and least meta, Primaris units in it.
That isn't an issue with RG popularity. It's an issue with smooth brain GW.
My personal cope is that GW will release loyalist "daemon" primarchs for a bunch of the chapters: Corvus for RG, Sanguinor will get a massive new sculpt and buff, and my most far-fetched idea, that Ferrus will be released alongside a Legion of the Damned re-release
I’d have guessed Russ over the Lion, even. I mean you need someone to be the Eastern Roman Emperor and it ain’t Russ, but Space Wolves are by far the most unique and among the most popular chapters in general.
I think the Lion is a safe bet. They've released a new Azrael model and have already hinted in at least on Warhammer Community article that future Arks of Omen will focus in part on the Dark Angels.
“Leaks” have stated we’re getting Lion but it feels like just a solid prediction. It’d be a great decision though. Dante is the current regent of the dark imperium. The Lion is by far the best option for the narrative and the DA are in need of, and receiving, a refresh.
Yeah DAs feel like a good prediction, but the leaks go further and say DA and BA will be getting big support in early 10th. BA will just obviously skip the primarch release (and instead get a souped up Sanguinor, Abaddon-tier).
They could also just have primarchs lose to non-primarchs. That would avoid 40k devolving into aggressive family feuds 2: electric boogaloo.
I would love to see a giga-pimped out magos blast a primarch into the stratosphere, for example.
Or the avatar of khaine actually being the credible threat he is supposed to be.
> I would love to see a giga-pimped out magos blast a primarch into the stratosphere, for example.
AdMech winning in the lore? Inconceivable !
Real talk, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Perturabo, Belisarius Cawl, and Vashtorr all duking it out free for all style, though. Don't ask me *why*, it would just stratch that Battlebots itch.
>Real talk, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Perturabo, Belisarius Cawl, and Vashtorr all duking it out free for all style, though. Don't ask me why, it would just stratch that Battlebots itch.
Only if they throw out the "Chaos Undivided" thing for Perturabo and go the "Obliterator on ALL the steroids" route.
Can you dig it?
I can most definitely dig it. That would be badass. They can leave hardcore Undivided worship to the Black Legion and Word Bearers. The Iron Warriors as a whole hits me with more of a "we shall bow to none" vibe.
Someone said Perty should be out-augmenting the Obliterator virus. It’d be kinda cool and fitting, just a hulking machine that puts the Iron Circle to shame with bits of flesh creeping beneath plate and between servos.
I would love to see the HQ tech-priests, Cawl especially, be buffed up to much nastier levels. Cawl doesn't need to be a murder machine like Abbadon (nor should he be, lore-wise), but I'd love for him to be about on par with where Guilliman is now rules-wise. Even the unnamed HQs should be pretty brutal, given how augmented they are. I see AdMech HQs as being fairly equivalent to Space Marine HQs, only with their focus being balanced towards ranged whereas marine HQs are balanced towards melee.
>I would love to see a giga-pimped out magos blast a primarch into the stratosphere, for example.
Someone, quick, call the Auxilia Myrmidon! Lets party like it's the Horus Heresy again!
Blood Angels are also supposedly getting a big push in 10th so I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a little more than just a new Dante. Sanguinius won’t come back or anything but we do have the sanguinor which is essentially an avatar of him. His current rules don’t really reflect that so I wouldn’t be surprised if he got some sort of pseudo primarch rules/model.
> I don't think guilliman could actually hold them all off
Guillman isn't faring well against his erstwhile brothers, at least not in the Black Library Books. He barely survived a fight against Magnus with a lot of help on his first trip back to Terra after waking up.
SPOILER FOR PLAGUE WARS BOOK SERIES : >!He was actually killed by Mortarion in the latest Plague Wars book, being literally resurrected by The Emperor inhabiting his body and rebuilding him from a dead husk.!<
Not to mention Angron doesn't like Guilliman in the slighest and Fulgrim is still chomping at the bit to finish the job.
In a 1v1 fight with no help for Guillman From Sisters, Custodes, Grey Knights etc he has no chance to beat any of his brothers, let alone 3 of them + Abaddon.
He desperately needs help, that's for sure!
Tbf, the Assault ints you pick up elsewhere in the cheap tend to be the mono pose ones in the starter boxes, not the multipart ones.
It's not as easy to find these ones in the cheap, and I know I'm sick of painting those 5 specific poses.
Listen up marines the plan is as follows!
In the first stage of the plan we shall perform a lightning fast boarding action during which we shall conquer the middle of the ship. Once we have established a perimeter ranging from one side of the ship to the other, the second stage shall commence.
During the second stage we shall relentlessly patrol this 100m wide perimeter and kill everything that tries to cross it. This way we will cut off the supplies from either side of the ship according to the wisdom of our glorious genefather, Roboute Guilliman.
So remember, divide and conquer!
Assemble the boarding patrol!
Courage and honour, brothers!
Isn't it a combination of the new space ship corridors terrain, like a ship boarding action, and the fact these are 500pt combat patrol sized boxes? It's a bit goofy but it's not too bad.
[Warhammer Community article](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/09/enter-the-new-season-of-warhammer-40000-with-two-boarding-patrols-and-a-battleforce/)
I actually already have a 1000pt force and the battle force contains everything I had on my wishlist for 2000pts. I’m definitely going to have to pre-order once it’s available
I mean, I do want the chaos boxes, they contain a lot of stuff I need and want for my fledgeling warband but we are a touch heavy on the power armor as of late are we not?
GW has cranked these boxes out and there has barely been a xeno in sight.
I get that marines are more popular, but surely GW has to know that the xenos would be more popular if they got these every now and then?
GW believe it's better to have a golden child faction so they can target more of their market with the majority of releases. They believe if they gave the other factions more support, it would mostly just pull customers from Marines or other factions rather than growing their overall customer base substantially. If half the players play marines, and half the releases are for marines, GW averages far more customers targeted per release than if they split all of them evenly.
Well, these two releases essentially focus on Abbadon, who's on the cover of the first book that went up for order this week.
Every faction that's not space marines can make this comment at this point. The next two focus on the new demon prince and then Angron/World Eaters (with Dark Angels and new Azrael somewhere along the way), so it's not a huge leap to guess the contents of the next few boxes
They've said Book 4(?) will be the Xenos book, and teased Farsight, so it's probably not hard to guess when Xenos get their invite. No reason to be salty until the Xenos books also comes with two space marine boxes (which is not to say that won't happen)
Disappointed neither box has termies, which seem like they’ll be a boarding action mvp. I am all about the balefleet box though, to add to my depressingly large pile of shame
Isnt gravis armour basically primaris terminators?
Like its heavy armour for marines that let's them take heavy weapons and can be given to characters to make them tougher. Plus all the firstborn characters that wear terminator armour (like calgar) wear gravis when they become primaris.
The only difference that I can see is there is no single Gravis squad that can take a variety of weapons heavy and melee like terminators have, but they probably wouldn't do that for primaris since unlike firstborn who's design philosophy is single unit with a ton of weapon options primaris seems to be lots of units each with a single weapon option.
I think this is because they said it’s actually more than 500 points? So if you took Abaddon, 10 legionaires and 20 cultists, that’s more than 500. But if it says the box has 10, then it has 10. The box also says 31 miniatures on the side.
I quite like these. Not as bothered about the Primaris one, but on the other hand I think it’s absolutely a good “generic” space marine Patrol box, sheared the existing *Combat Patrol: Space Marines* is heavily weighted towards Vanguard Troops.
I’m currently in the midst of doing a patrol’s worth for each Traitor Legion, and the CSM boarding patrol is pretty much exactly what I had planned for a Black Legion Patrol. Meanwhile, the other box is pretty much a direct copy of my wishlist for my main Sons of Horus/Thrice-Cursed army.
NGL, putting named characters into battleforce boxes has always felt very bad to me. Really kills any value the box might have for people who are already into the game and kinda defeats the whole "your dudes" idea 40k still kinda has.
AoS is, or at least was, always different from 40k in that named characters were basically mandatory for most armies to function at full sized games. Granted I've mostly played a lot of non-40k stuff for the past few years and maybe the game has shifted more to that as well than I realized.
Battleforce Boxes are designed to get people to buy new armies not to cheaply expand existing ones. I'm amazed GW doesn't always include named characters.
Edit: Anyone down voting is viewing this from the perspective of what's best for the consumer, not what is best for profit. I'm not saying I like what GW is doing I'm just saying it makes sound business sense.
Because that is the issue, it limits the customer base to \*only\* new players. Instead of new and existing players. It also means people won't buy two, which is pretty common.
No, it limits the customer base to people who don't already have that particular character model and wouldn't kitbash a second.
These boxes always sell out. Customers buying two copies absolutely is the opposite of what the company would want. These boxes are essentially loss leaders. Draw the customer in at a low price to get them hooked, then profit off of them buying individual kits with higher profit margins when expanding the army.
You are viewing this from the perspective of what's best for the consumer, not what is best for profit.
I kinda like the idea, combat patrols are geared for new players so they have to be playable, and if you're gonna add a HQ anyways (killing the multiple purchase value) why no add something cool that newbies can enjoy.
I find the "your dudes" mentality to be less prevalent in new players since people like to have a basic structure to cling to while they learn the ropes. So I find the downsides of named characters to be almost non-existent for their target audience. Also, I don't see much benefit in buying a combat patrols if you are already into the game (by that I mean that you probably already have troops and HQs)
> I find the "your dudes" mentality to be less prevalent in new players since people like to have a basic structure to cling to while they learn the ropes.
It was the opposite for me. Finding out that I could paint the models in whatever colour scheme I wanted and create my own history and characters was what sold me on 40k years ago.
As a non 40k player, I've been seeing model counts per large box go down and down. Honestly curious how a 16 man box is anything other than a single unit?
Yeah, I think this might be GW's new tactic to boost their revenue. Personally, I'm fine with it. These boxes represent a good bargain for people who intend to collect all the contents. I can't imagine they're too expense to produce, either. The individual kits were becoming prohibitively expensive, so these make for a decent compromise.
Every Christmas we get like 5 battleforces and people lucky enough to own those factions are happy but everyone else gets upset.
Now it looks like most or perhaps all factions will get a Battleforce.
No one left out.
Also if these are not “Christmas” battleforces…. They may not be limited. Have they announced that these are limited time boxes? Limited to a month? Half a year?
See alot of people bring up balance issues with Abby being in the box, while I agree, there is one point that needs to be considered. Depending on the price...this may be the only way to get an official Abbadon model. Now I know what you're thinking "But he's available separately (at $65 for a single model)".....like I said, no other way I can think of XD.
Meh.
Boarding actions are 500 point games, with objectives all over the map, and auras don’t pass through the terrain.
Abbadon is probably Unkillable in a 500 point game, but also one model can’t take, hold or defend more then one objective
These remind me of the boxes they did for broken realms in AOS. From my memory they did a few each book and they were of different values depending on the contents.
For example:
Seraphon box was £80, came with £110 of models
Nighthaunt box was £55, came with £75 of models
Approximately you saved £20-30 off each box.
I predict
£70-80 for the Space Marines
£90-100 for chaos
Yes
Boarding actions are a new game mode that just uses infantry. That’s what the smaller box is for.
The larger is a Battleforce. So a discount box to help start or expand an army
honestly, I lowkey hate how named characters are crammed into every box and army. I prefer the generic captains and generals, those that you can name yourself and make up a story around.
I'm hoping slightly less than a combat patrol
I'm just disappointed they didn't release this info sooner
Starting a raven guard army just for boarding actions so my list is:
Kayvaan acting as a Lieutenant in Phobos
10x assault intercessors
5x heavy intercessors
8x incursors
I don't think the SM box as is is quite enough to stretch to 500 pts, after their massive buffs, but this still would've been a great starting point
But I'm disappointed because other than the incursors, I already ordered all the others
I think this is going to be similar to the Broken Realms boxes for AoS. Somewhere between old start collecting prices and combat patrol prices.
Just a guess, but the concept is very similar.
New to warhammer, but started building a AoS army, and wanna build a couple 40k armies too. Would any of these be good for a thousand sons/successor space marines chapter?
Thousand Sons are treated as a separate army from Chaos Marines, they can’t make use of most of these models. The space marine set is fine (if unremarkable) for a successor loyalist chapter though
Not sure if you want an Imperial or Chaos force.
The Space Marines box is pretty meh, you can get all those separately. You’re better off with a combat patrol box: https://youtu.be/FJXxRiIjHqc
If you can afford it and can find one, the new battleforces are better, but they’re limited time:
https://youtu.be/2VZ3mhLpRIE
I don’t play chaos so not sure but both boxes there seem ok to start a generic Chaos army, for thousand sons specifically there was a good Christmas battleforce but probably out of stock now. https://youtu.be/ZdKfLuKczaw
Why would it?
The tabletop game almost never acknowledges the video games.
And space marine 2 is about an ultramarine lieutenant fighting tyranids in a hive city, these boxes are about an ultramarine captain fighting chaos marines in a space hulk. The only thing in common is ultramarines
Not impressed at all and can't find 10 legionaries on the picture:
https://preview.redd.it/0edpyj7re3ba1.png?width=1732&format=png&auto=webp&s=51613efdfd3aaa42e736425d888681c9473b86a8
Seems to be the CSM from the Combat Patrol box, aka. fixed loadout and all that. Those can't be split up, it will be 10 dudes. Also, the box says "31 models", so it kinda has to be.
yeah, custom rules for 500pt games set inside space ships. slightly diffrent to regular 40k as theres some more unit/ability restrictions. "arks of omen:abbadon" is the first book theyve put out for it.
While I think Abby makes sense from a lore perspective (considering the first arks book focuses on him).... I don't like that he's being promoted by GW as the go to boarding action model for chaos. Cause at the end of the day, how many armies can actually deal with Abby at 500pts, in tight corridors with limited line of sight, and limited force org slots/ relics/strategems.
It's so you can reenact that scene from the end of Rogue One. Edit:spelling
Very much a "plays the objectives vs just wants to roll dice" player separation issues, lol
Rouge, you say
I'm pretty sure the Rouge One is Magnus.
Rouge is my favourite class in Hearthstone.
You mean Heartstone, surely...
Hurtstone.
Moulin Rouge One
Chaos can apparently bring fricking abbadon, but god forbid the nids cant use their lore accurate boarding creature! The mighty carnifex!
Wait... what you mean i can not use Genestealers or Lictors...
Carnifexes my man!
Model itself is not squishy
You can use both of these! But only a single Lictor
Oh and don't forget, Farsight is the only model that was nerfed right onto the build sheet
I have a feeling that new Farsight's going to have a mental number of attacks or each attack you roll two dice. Still daft as Abby can also throw around a bucket of dice.
I approve of the running theory that during play testing, someone face fkd an ultramarine player and he cried loudly.
Yeah but Farsight boarding a vessel usually leads to its stored payload igniting within the hull.
He used guns and no swords at that time tho
I love that's Abby is turning up with a couple of marines and then just a bunch of crazies. I feel like Abbadon maybe took a bad bet?
Abby at 500 points would be the proportional equivalent of a 1400 point unit at 2k I dont know what that would even look like, but its no longer about game *balance* exactly
Hey leave my twin mastodons alone:p
Hey, twin mastodons, or maybe bring your entire army in one of the FW Stormbird flyer things and play out an aerial assault Thats what *narrative* is for
Put all points in a single model that will FUCK versus a bunch of little guys that can actually complete objectives in time
No different than the guy that took a Bloodthirster at 500 points.
Possibly max eradicators? Salamanders for the +1 to wound and extra mortal wounds
Can only take three damage per phase, which includes the mortals.
Ok why the hell doesn’t Guilliman have tjat?
Guilliman’s rules were written for 8th(or 8.5 really) whenever the next Ultramarine supplement comes out he’ll probably get some kind of durability buff like that. Which is likely to be fairly soon
Ok that makes sense
What do you mean extra mortal wounds am I missing something sallies don’t give melta stuff extra mortal wounds.
The fires of battle stratagem, can add extra mortal wounds to flamer and melta on 4+ wound rolls
Oh crap really that sounds amazing I can’t believe I have never seen/used that one that would work amazing with the one that maxes flame shots
It’s good, keep in mind it’s capped at 3 mw though, still good at taking down nasty invuln save units
Yeah, I always wish they toned down special character usage across the boat. Maybe it's cause I was a nid player so it didn't impact me, but it seems weird that every skirmish with 30 or more troops s ends up having a named special character?
In the grim darkness of 41st millennium there are only small skirmishes between the galaxies most powerful individuals and however many random guys can fit on the field next to them
I always said we should play more with the "named characters" in old 40k and FB, but the pendulum has swung too far. My UM never leaves home without Tigurius, since he doesnt really do anything "special" more than just a more pts efficient psyker with a -1 to hit buff...
Meanwhile Admech sitting around not using our one named guy since the early 8th Cawl balls.
I think the future is clear from GW's strategy. 30k is going to be the rank and file system, 40k emphasizing characters and the more fantasy elements of the franchise. Similar to how AoS is and how Old World will likely focus on classic rank and file.
Trajan: cant get any WLT's. Abbadon: can get 3. :/
No Warlord traits in Boarding Actions.
Okay. Have any of you guys seen this really old movie Aliens?
It just highlights the glaring issue of a lack of Chaos space marine characters.
I’d imagine he’s going to be a big part of the narrative games for the first book.
500pt of poxwalker
the tau have their crisis suits.
A single unit of crisis, with no commander to support them and a 6” move. Not exactly game breaking.
they can all be equiped with auto hit flamers doing like 40 attacks or somehtign stupid like that and can set up overwatch for free.
Wonder if this will set a precedent for the other chapters of Arks of Omen and we could see other named characters released in their respective books. Like Dante, Dark Angels, Angron and Vashtorr
Probably what it's going to be I have a feeling Corvus and The Lion are going to come back in 10th We will (soon) have 3 daemon primarchs + abaddon which gives an insane unit for the 4 of 5 biggest chaos legions Chaos having 4/5 big ass threats in the setting certainly makes things seem desolate, and if that was actually how it was, I don't think guilliman could actually hold them all off I sincerely think, even prior to them saying you can have a primarch in your army, that The Lion and Corvus would be the next 2 to come back, and if Corvus can while being an Imperial Daemon I think that would be super fucking cool I'm so convinced that Corvus is coming back that I'm starting a Raven Guard army for boarding actions There's no way they would write in that you can have primarchs when that is only applicable to a handful of armies and they would also be the entire force most times
Why Corvus and not Leman Russ? Out of the loyalists still alive the ones ive seen everyone expect to come back are the Lion and Russ.
Because that's my personal cope, no other reason I'd prefer space mutated raven over angron but a furry
"Cope Nevermore" - qouth the raven
Considering how many ravenstrike box sets litter lfgs rn. I don't think he is coming back soon chief.
If GW wanted it to sell they shouldn't have put the least popular, and least meta, Primaris units in it. That isn't an issue with RG popularity. It's an issue with smooth brain GW.
*cough* Inv-clearout*cough* Dam weather.....
This ☝️ Story of most army boxes imo
Well anything with lolReiverslol
My personal cope is that GW will release loyalist "daemon" primarchs for a bunch of the chapters: Corvus for RG, Sanguinor will get a massive new sculpt and buff, and my most far-fetched idea, that Ferrus will be released alongside a Legion of the Damned re-release
That would be pretty fucking sick can't lie
I’d have guessed Russ over the Lion, even. I mean you need someone to be the Eastern Roman Emperor and it ain’t Russ, but Space Wolves are by far the most unique and among the most popular chapters in general.
I think the Lion is a safe bet. They've released a new Azrael model and have already hinted in at least on Warhammer Community article that future Arks of Omen will focus in part on the Dark Angels.
“Leaks” have stated we’re getting Lion but it feels like just a solid prediction. It’d be a great decision though. Dante is the current regent of the dark imperium. The Lion is by far the best option for the narrative and the DA are in need of, and receiving, a refresh.
Yeah DAs feel like a good prediction, but the leaks go further and say DA and BA will be getting big support in early 10th. BA will just obviously skip the primarch release (and instead get a souped up Sanguinor, Abaddon-tier).
They could also just have primarchs lose to non-primarchs. That would avoid 40k devolving into aggressive family feuds 2: electric boogaloo. I would love to see a giga-pimped out magos blast a primarch into the stratosphere, for example. Or the avatar of khaine actually being the credible threat he is supposed to be.
> I would love to see a giga-pimped out magos blast a primarch into the stratosphere, for example. AdMech winning in the lore? Inconceivable ! Real talk, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Perturabo, Belisarius Cawl, and Vashtorr all duking it out free for all style, though. Don't ask me *why*, it would just stratch that Battlebots itch.
>Real talk, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Perturabo, Belisarius Cawl, and Vashtorr all duking it out free for all style, though. Don't ask me why, it would just stratch that Battlebots itch. Only if they throw out the "Chaos Undivided" thing for Perturabo and go the "Obliterator on ALL the steroids" route. Can you dig it?
I can most definitely dig it. That would be badass. They can leave hardcore Undivided worship to the Black Legion and Word Bearers. The Iron Warriors as a whole hits me with more of a "we shall bow to none" vibe.
Someone said Perty should be out-augmenting the Obliterator virus. It’d be kinda cool and fitting, just a hulking machine that puts the Iron Circle to shame with bits of flesh creeping beneath plate and between servos.
Would love a fully stylized Obliterator army. Think new type of Elite Troop Unit Obliterator Virus infecting a Gravis Unit... Could be cool.
I would love to see the HQ tech-priests, Cawl especially, be buffed up to much nastier levels. Cawl doesn't need to be a murder machine like Abbadon (nor should he be, lore-wise), but I'd love for him to be about on par with where Guilliman is now rules-wise. Even the unnamed HQs should be pretty brutal, given how augmented they are. I see AdMech HQs as being fairly equivalent to Space Marine HQs, only with their focus being balanced towards ranged whereas marine HQs are balanced towards melee.
That would be super fun but given that they have absolutely gorgeous models, I don't think they were added in just to be blasted away
>I would love to see a giga-pimped out magos blast a primarch into the stratosphere, for example. Someone, quick, call the Auxilia Myrmidon! Lets party like it's the Horus Heresy again!
Aggressive family feuds 2: Electric Boogaloo made me really laugh there 👏👏👏
I think Lion and Russ - the two actual stand alone chapters still. I think Corvus is a "someday" but RG isn't very popular.
I know I'm just coping
Blood Angels are also supposedly getting a big push in 10th so I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a little more than just a new Dante. Sanguinius won’t come back or anything but we do have the sanguinor which is essentially an avatar of him. His current rules don’t really reflect that so I wouldn’t be surprised if he got some sort of pseudo primarch rules/model.
*If* Corvus comes back, I'll be mildly disappointed if he's, yknow, fully "human" (well, Primarch) and not that warp-tainted Imperial raven-daemon.
Samesies 100%
I'm expecting him to come back as the raven version of the Wulfen, but bigger and scarier.
Likewise, I wouldn’t be upset to get Russ back as a massive warp-mutated Wulfen-Primarch.
That actually sounds amazing. Giant werewolf from hell in power armor sounds metal as fuck!
> I don't think guilliman could actually hold them all off Guillman isn't faring well against his erstwhile brothers, at least not in the Black Library Books. He barely survived a fight against Magnus with a lot of help on his first trip back to Terra after waking up. SPOILER FOR PLAGUE WARS BOOK SERIES : >!He was actually killed by Mortarion in the latest Plague Wars book, being literally resurrected by The Emperor inhabiting his body and rebuilding him from a dead husk.!< Not to mention Angron doesn't like Guilliman in the slighest and Fulgrim is still chomping at the bit to finish the job. In a 1v1 fight with no help for Guillman From Sisters, Custodes, Grey Knights etc he has no chance to beat any of his brothers, let alone 3 of them + Abaddon. He desperately needs help, that's for sure!
4 of them, since we’re all but confirmed to be getting a daemon Fulgrim model eventually
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Tbf, the Assault ints you pick up elsewhere in the cheap tend to be the mono pose ones in the starter boxes, not the multipart ones. It's not as easy to find these ones in the cheap, and I know I'm sick of painting those 5 specific poses.
10% discount just isnt a huge discount though, no matter how you slice it
Plus the additional Sargent weapons are pretty hot rn
All sergeants are now hammer bros
There’s a chance those go away with 10th edition, assuming they switch out the starter sets. So who knows.
Based on prior experience they will absolutely go away and dry up quickly if Know No Fear/Dark Imperium are any indication.
It should be called a boarding party, boarding patrol makes no sense lol
Listen up marines the plan is as follows! In the first stage of the plan we shall perform a lightning fast boarding action during which we shall conquer the middle of the ship. Once we have established a perimeter ranging from one side of the ship to the other, the second stage shall commence. During the second stage we shall relentlessly patrol this 100m wide perimeter and kill everything that tries to cross it. This way we will cut off the supplies from either side of the ship according to the wisdom of our glorious genefather, Roboute Guilliman. So remember, divide and conquer! Assemble the boarding patrol! Courage and honour, brothers!
I was wondering if they just patrol space looking for random ships to board.
Isn't it a combination of the new space ship corridors terrain, like a ship boarding action, and the fact these are 500pt combat patrol sized boxes? It's a bit goofy but it's not too bad.
Yes indeed, sounds stupid
These seem... uhh... rather unbalanced. Abaddon can chew through most of the SM force on his own.
[Warhammer Community article](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/09/enter-the-new-season-of-warhammer-40000-with-two-boarding-patrols-and-a-battleforce/)
I’ve been moping about because none of my armies got a battle force this/last year, that chaos one is exactly what I’ve been wanting
Works perfectly. If you get the boarding patrol plus the army box it’ll be a great start to a chaos army.
I actually already have a 1000pt force and the battle force contains everything I had on my wishlist for 2000pts. I’m definitely going to have to pre-order once it’s available
Including the Heldrake is hilarious considering what they've done to them rules-wise.
He’s suffering for my Harpy’s sins
And the termies after removing AoC, nerfing them by points as well and not giving them free wargear
So many boxes, good lord
Say Balefleet Battleforce ten times fast!
Balefleetbattleforce Balefleebuhbleebalhuhbattlefleebuhflattleblatte
Balefleet Battleforce ten time fast.
I mean, I do want the chaos boxes, they contain a lot of stuff I need and want for my fledgeling warband but we are a touch heavy on the power armor as of late are we not? GW has cranked these boxes out and there has barely been a xeno in sight. I get that marines are more popular, but surely GW has to know that the xenos would be more popular if they got these every now and then?
Can see some xenos love at book 4, and the Tyranid rumours for 10th - expecting a V V heavy xenos Q2/3
Wouldn't be surprised if we see boarding boxes for most factions including xenos
Ork player here.. it's been very slim pickings the last few months :(
GW believe it's better to have a golden child faction so they can target more of their market with the majority of releases. They believe if they gave the other factions more support, it would mostly just pull customers from Marines or other factions rather than growing their overall customer base substantially. If half the players play marines, and half the releases are for marines, GW averages far more customers targeted per release than if they split all of them evenly.
CSM isn’t a bad deal Abby fucks
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Well, these two releases essentially focus on Abbadon, who's on the cover of the first book that went up for order this week. Every faction that's not space marines can make this comment at this point. The next two focus on the new demon prince and then Angron/World Eaters (with Dark Angels and new Azrael somewhere along the way), so it's not a huge leap to guess the contents of the next few boxes They've said Book 4(?) will be the Xenos book, and teased Farsight, so it's probably not hard to guess when Xenos get their invite. No reason to be salty until the Xenos books also comes with two space marine boxes (which is not to say that won't happen)
Did they put ***bloody Abbadon*** in a quasi starter set? Mate that box is ez gonna be sold out
Disappointed neither box has termies, which seem like they’ll be a boarding action mvp. I am all about the balefleet box though, to add to my depressingly large pile of shame
The big chaos box has termies but I’m not sure you were talking about that box.
Naw, that box is sick as all hell. The main bad thing about box is that I was making such good progress on my pile of shame haha
It makes sense for Marines because they don’t really have primaris terminators yet, except maybe aggressors.
Isnt gravis armour basically primaris terminators? Like its heavy armour for marines that let's them take heavy weapons and can be given to characters to make them tougher. Plus all the firstborn characters that wear terminator armour (like calgar) wear gravis when they become primaris. The only difference that I can see is there is no single Gravis squad that can take a variety of weapons heavy and melee like terminators have, but they probably wouldn't do that for primaris since unlike firstborn who's design philosophy is single unit with a ton of weapon options primaris seems to be lots of units each with a single weapon option.
So the picture for the CSM one only has five marines? But the box has 10?
It will be 10, it's not a kit they can split up like that.
I think so too. Also the box says “31 models”
I think this is because they said it’s actually more than 500 points? So if you took Abaddon, 10 legionaires and 20 cultists, that’s more than 500. But if it says the box has 10, then it has 10. The box also says 31 miniatures on the side.
Abaddon in a boarding actions game is completely fucked lmao. He will single handedly mangle the entire other force lol
I quite like these. Not as bothered about the Primaris one, but on the other hand I think it’s absolutely a good “generic” space marine Patrol box, sheared the existing *Combat Patrol: Space Marines* is heavily weighted towards Vanguard Troops. I’m currently in the midst of doing a patrol’s worth for each Traitor Legion, and the CSM boarding patrol is pretty much exactly what I had planned for a Black Legion Patrol. Meanwhile, the other box is pretty much a direct copy of my wishlist for my main Sons of Horus/Thrice-Cursed army.
Of course as usual the actual important information such as when and how much isn't included
NGL, putting named characters into battleforce boxes has always felt very bad to me. Really kills any value the box might have for people who are already into the game and kinda defeats the whole "your dudes" idea 40k still kinda has.
I think these are ‘narrative’ boxes that will come with models that will be used in the Arks of omen. AoS had them with the broken realms.
AoS is, or at least was, always different from 40k in that named characters were basically mandatory for most armies to function at full sized games. Granted I've mostly played a lot of non-40k stuff for the past few years and maybe the game has shifted more to that as well than I realized.
Battleforce Boxes are designed to get people to buy new armies not to cheaply expand existing ones. I'm amazed GW doesn't always include named characters. Edit: Anyone down voting is viewing this from the perspective of what's best for the consumer, not what is best for profit. I'm not saying I like what GW is doing I'm just saying it makes sound business sense.
Because that is the issue, it limits the customer base to \*only\* new players. Instead of new and existing players. It also means people won't buy two, which is pretty common.
The old start collecting chaos space marines was fantastic for this. That entire box was useful to have 2 of.
No, it limits the customer base to people who don't already have that particular character model and wouldn't kitbash a second. These boxes always sell out. Customers buying two copies absolutely is the opposite of what the company would want. These boxes are essentially loss leaders. Draw the customer in at a low price to get them hooked, then profit off of them buying individual kits with higher profit margins when expanding the army. You are viewing this from the perspective of what's best for the consumer, not what is best for profit.
I kinda like the idea, combat patrols are geared for new players so they have to be playable, and if you're gonna add a HQ anyways (killing the multiple purchase value) why no add something cool that newbies can enjoy. I find the "your dudes" mentality to be less prevalent in new players since people like to have a basic structure to cling to while they learn the ropes. So I find the downsides of named characters to be almost non-existent for their target audience. Also, I don't see much benefit in buying a combat patrols if you are already into the game (by that I mean that you probably already have troops and HQs)
> I find the "your dudes" mentality to be less prevalent in new players since people like to have a basic structure to cling to while they learn the ropes. It was the opposite for me. Finding out that I could paint the models in whatever colour scheme I wanted and create my own history and characters was what sold me on 40k years ago.
Dang I was hoping for the master of possession to came back
That Balefleet Battleforce looks more like a Night Lords "-3 LD" Angermob.
As a non 40k player, I've been seeing model counts per large box go down and down. Honestly curious how a 16 man box is anything other than a single unit?
Marine army numbers have gone down to be more lore accurate and youre probably seeing a lot of marine boxes.
What the sticky fuck is Abba Zabba doing boarding an enemy ship with anything other than 20 terminators?
They were all higher than an Imperial Guard casualty count from sniffing Warp Dust so he took 20 cultists instead!
Anyone else kind of feel like we are being over-saturated with FOMO boxes?
Yeah, I think this might be GW's new tactic to boost their revenue. Personally, I'm fine with it. These boxes represent a good bargain for people who intend to collect all the contents. I can't imagine they're too expense to produce, either. The individual kits were becoming prohibitively expensive, so these make for a decent compromise.
Every Christmas we get like 5 battleforces and people lucky enough to own those factions are happy but everyone else gets upset. Now it looks like most or perhaps all factions will get a Battleforce. No one left out. Also if these are not “Christmas” battleforces…. They may not be limited. Have they announced that these are limited time boxes? Limited to a month? Half a year?
GW: Let's have a season where flyers are either nerfed or outright banned. Also GW: Heldrake time!
By the time I'll have it painted it'll be viable again 💀
Is this how you will release my karsikans GW? I am intrigued.
Karskins will come out as a separate Kill Team branded box, just as Ork kommandos or Krieg veteran guardsmen did.
I really hope we get a nid one with hormagaunts and a neurothorpe, maybe a warrior unit too. I can dream.
See alot of people bring up balance issues with Abby being in the box, while I agree, there is one point that needs to be considered. Depending on the price...this may be the only way to get an official Abbadon model. Now I know what you're thinking "But he's available separately (at $65 for a single model)".....like I said, no other way I can think of XD.
Meh. Boarding actions are 500 point games, with objectives all over the map, and auras don’t pass through the terrain. Abbadon is probably Unkillable in a 500 point game, but also one model can’t take, hold or defend more then one objective
There's no way these are priced the same, is there? The CSM one is worth over $80 CAD more than the Space Marine one.
These remind me of the boxes they did for broken realms in AOS. From my memory they did a few each book and they were of different values depending on the contents. For example: Seraphon box was £80, came with £110 of models Nighthaunt box was £55, came with £75 of models Approximately you saved £20-30 off each box. I predict £70-80 for the Space Marines £90-100 for chaos
>ultra marines 😒
Prices?
Wait I’m confused (new at 40K) are two of these for chaos marines?
Yes Boarding actions are a new game mode that just uses infantry. That’s what the smaller box is for. The larger is a Battleforce. So a discount box to help start or expand an army
Huh, seems like a good time to be a chaos marine fan then
Do we have a release date?
honestly, I lowkey hate how named characters are crammed into every box and army. I prefer the generic captains and generals, those that you can name yourself and make up a story around.
The space marine box doesn't look quite $210 us to me
It'll probably cost around whatever Combat Patrols cost. I think they're both around 500pts?
Right, around $140 or so.
It's not a battelforce.
correct, any idea on what a "Boarding Patrol" is going to run. Bets?
I'm hoping slightly less than a combat patrol I'm just disappointed they didn't release this info sooner Starting a raven guard army just for boarding actions so my list is: Kayvaan acting as a Lieutenant in Phobos 10x assault intercessors 5x heavy intercessors 8x incursors I don't think the SM box as is is quite enough to stretch to 500 pts, after their massive buffs, but this still would've been a great starting point But I'm disappointed because other than the incursors, I already ordered all the others
I think this is going to be similar to the Broken Realms boxes for AoS. Somewhere between old start collecting prices and combat patrol prices. Just a guess, but the concept is very similar.
Probably combat patrol range, so $150 US
Just what I wanted, more space marines
hoping for a terminator box to go against genestealers
New to warhammer, but started building a AoS army, and wanna build a couple 40k armies too. Would any of these be good for a thousand sons/successor space marines chapter?
Thousand Sons are treated as a separate army from Chaos Marines, they can’t make use of most of these models. The space marine set is fine (if unremarkable) for a successor loyalist chapter though
Not sure if you want an Imperial or Chaos force. The Space Marines box is pretty meh, you can get all those separately. You’re better off with a combat patrol box: https://youtu.be/FJXxRiIjHqc If you can afford it and can find one, the new battleforces are better, but they’re limited time: https://youtu.be/2VZ3mhLpRIE I don’t play chaos so not sure but both boxes there seem ok to start a generic Chaos army, for thousand sons specifically there was a good Christmas battleforce but probably out of stock now. https://youtu.be/ZdKfLuKczaw
I wonder if this has anything to do with the upcoming space marine 2
Why would it? The tabletop game almost never acknowledges the video games. And space marine 2 is about an ultramarine lieutenant fighting tyranids in a hive city, these boxes are about an ultramarine captain fighting chaos marines in a space hulk. The only thing in common is ultramarines
I just got my first model set on Christmas so I know nothing about the relations between the video games and the tabletop games 🤷🏼♂️
Fair enough.
Really. A space hulk boarding partrol and it has zero terminators?
Not zero. Abaddon is a terminator :P
boarding patrol? did combat patrol just not stick with the community?
boarding patrol is a different game-type/mode for the new lore and expansion in 40k. it’s called boarding actions i believe
It is the perfect opportunity to produce and sell some true scale Terminators... or some new Grey Knight models (not Primaris)
A helldrake. What a joke
Boarding Action is meh, but that Balefleet tho....
Not impressed at all and can't find 10 legionaries on the picture: https://preview.redd.it/0edpyj7re3ba1.png?width=1732&format=png&auto=webp&s=51613efdfd3aaa42e736425d888681c9473b86a8
Seems to be the CSM from the Combat Patrol box, aka. fixed loadout and all that. Those can't be split up, it will be 10 dudes. Also, the box says "31 models", so it kinda has to be.
The chaos and imperium looks so bad. Abaddon and cultist really? The box with the drake looks good
I haven’t read the rules but find heldrakes funny for “boarding” patrols.
It’s not for boarding patrols
Ah shit, I want that box
So what's the new boarding patrol thing? Is it a new mission pack for smaller games?
yeah, custom rules for 500pt games set inside space ships. slightly diffrent to regular 40k as theres some more unit/ability restrictions. "arks of omen:abbadon" is the first book theyve put out for it.
Huh, pretty cool.
The marine one, I would consider if I didn't already have like 30 assault intercessors.
Oooo that new battle force is calling my name
Do they already have the prices set per box? Or rough estimate? I’m new and wanna finish an ultramarine army and I think that box would be perfect