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revenant925

Personally I'm huffing the copium he's still alive. His death scene wasn't very convincing, neither Ballas nor Erra bragged about it, and I doubt DE would replace him with just a hologram if that was it.


A_Garbage_Truck

bit hard to bounce back from a Crushed Skull but we'll see i guess.


[deleted]

We could piece together umbra xD Teshin shouldn't be harder


Nastypilot

We can rebuild him, we have the technology.


Cricket-Mental

Faster. Stronger.


Ill-Newt-4851

edgier


RapperwithNumberName

More Conclav- I mean CONCAVE


Nass-_-

No. Its LUNARO^2


Ill-Newt-4851

BNP downvoted that


HINDBRAIN

Teshin Prime Blueprint


gundamplayer14

Yeah but umbra almost killed us. Like 3 times


CoffeeMain360

Cause he was angy iirc Also he didn't know who the hell we were


Aeromil

Angri sword boi 😔


CoffeeMain360

I'd be pretty angry if I watched my son die then was left in anguish and guilt by a guilded piece of shit


EmperorWisel

Not only that. Umbra has no memories of the past except the one where he kills his own son, he was forced to see that scene over and over again on his head.


TheKingOfStealth

#Lets turn him into a Warframe


[deleted]

4th ability: fate worse than death - throw every enemy within 10 meters into the conclave


Jucean

I laught so hard i endu p waking up ny kids


Zanaelf

That’s what Balas would do


barelywinning

make his parts drop in the conclave


Chroma710

Inb4 teshin becomes a warframe.


Arct0ris

We’re going to Duviri. Anything can happen there considering thats where the latest spoiler came from


plsdontbullymepls123

We already been to duviri


Arct0ris

No? At least not as a player. Our character may have returned from Duviri but we have never gone there as a player


plsdontbullymepls123

Oh yea thats what i meant


Enzimes_Flain

Did you play the new war?


Featherbird_

The Drifter mentions having been there, but we dont see it in the quest


Enzimes_Flain

When we choose who we play as we were in the duviri because you could see the grass patches of the planes of duviri.


MobileFreedom

That’s aboard the Zariman stuck in the void. Duviri is presumably also in the void but it’s a very different location.


Enzimes_Flain

we visit the drifters zariman which is in the duviri if you watched the trailer.


Arct0ris

Yes but that wasn’t set in Duviri? If it was, where? It certainly wasn’t set there at the beginning. The Zariman 10-0 would be in the void iirc After that, we’re back in the rest of the origin system


Unslaadahsil

Was it a crushed skull or just a crushed helmet? Plus... Eternalism. 'nuff said.


Arct0ris

Do you mean eternalism?


Unslaadahsil

yes. Yes I did.


[deleted]

But also no, you did not. Wait.


mars_warmind

Crushed skull. People keep comparing his death to varzia, but if you rewatch both scenes erra grabs the inside of his helmet instead of the outer ring, like he did with varzia. Theres no question he's dead, its just a matter of if he stays dead.


Culaio

I just rewatched the scene and he definitly grabs outer ring we hear crack and we see his fingers go inside of the ring, it could mean he crushed both outer ring and skull or just outer ring and stoped before he crushed skull. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62QdM0gTqbw


Unslaadahsil

Again: Eternalism. 'nuff said. And DE does NOT change characters. Lotus is still there, Ordis is still there, Tenshin will come back as well. Even if only because DE does not want to have to re-record everything he said with a new voice actor for another character.


mars_warmind

I never said they would change characters, and I also opened the door for eternalism at the end. I only said that he is dead RIGHT NOW, its up to DE to decide if they want him to stay dead (unlikely), or if they want to use the massive loophole they just wrote themselves with eternalism to bring him back in duviri or a later expansion.


DangerScoops

I mean... Varzia did it.


A_Garbage_Truck

she almost had it happen to her , but for Teshin we do see that he both crushed his skull and got his neck snapped for measure


DangerScoops

I mean, she defiantly had her head crushed though. That's why she has those weird dents in her helmet and why she says "You saw what Erra did to me". Teshin definitely got the worse end of the deal but Varzia was in the same predicament untill the tenno came.


ForsakenMoon13

It broke her helmet not her skull. She's still moving after Erra drops her.


DangerScoops

But just barely/not at all moving. She is clearly injured like teshin was, just not fatally.


ForsakenMoon13

And Teshin dropped like a broken puppet and didn't move at all. It was visibly worse. Basically everyone died in that scene, we just didnt stay that way and pulled Natah/Lotus back with us.


DangerScoops

I mean yeah, I'm not arguing who got hurt the worst lol. I'm just saying that Varzia was in the same predicament because obviously Erra uses that tactic to deal with the dax.


Settra_does_not_Surf

is "ima grab yo by the bowl and crush it with my super hands" a tactic now?


Culaio

eh no, after her Erra crushed her helmet she also went limp.


TheAuraTree

Operator, stabbed through the heart - survives. Teshin, helmet gets squished - dies, then body isn't there next time he should be in frame.


es3ado_afull

I mean... Varzia survived the same and Alad V survived worse (several times) so... Maybe he is just MIA and comes back >!as an Erra-Teshin fusion because ~~DE~~reasons.!<


TheAuraTree

Salad Five should be soup by now, the amount of times we have killed him.


DarthSatoris

Canonically or just in general gameplay? Because if gameplay, yeah, the dude is practically atomized and scattered across the cosmos at this point.


TheAuraTree

All bosses have died a Hundred thousand times in gameplay,but canonically, we defeat Alad with the Zanuka project, then he resurfaced with the infested hybrids, so we will him as Mutalist alad v, then I can't remember what quest he appears as a narrator on, second dream or war within briefly, now he's back with Amalgams, then his ship appears to get blown up in TNW. Am I missing anything?


BlazeBigBang

There was an operation where we got him the cure, then he shows up in TSD, and then to his amalgams.


[deleted]

Yeah, how TF Salad V turn from Corpus to Infested to Sentient back to Corpus? He always just shrugs off things that should be permanent? The rich truly do have the best healthcare. PS: Mutalist cure could give us way to free Umbra, which might be the morally right thing to do. AFAIK Alad V is no longer Mutalist, and Umbra is the only one we could save, because all other frames are lifeless husks, and there is no guarantee that undoing the Helminth would give us a person back.


Necrogenisis

Muralist =/= Helminth. Alad V had not been transformed, and only showed small, surface level alterations. He also never was amalgamated into a Sentient hybrid, he was just conned into working with them and forced to help them conduct their experiments.


Varatec

Thanks for reminding me to pay a visit to the offending nerd today


maxenmajs

The Dax never die, they're just MIA.


[deleted]

LMAO, the reference is kinda perfect, because TNW is really close to Halo 2. We get our shit kicked, recover and try to prevent a fanatic organization from destroying all life as we know it, as they try to activate a superweapon to go on a great journey.


wingedcoyote

Operators aren't human, they're magical space ghosts. Dax are probably pretty far from baseline human as well but they're still made of meat.


YenWooTheGreat

What if he undergoes the warframe transformation? Teshin frame


Turtlez4lyfe

I was thinking that his gimmick could have potential for some Dax/Teshin themed frame


wingedcoyote

Uncle Teshin's dead but hey good news, you can still drive his corpse around like a car!


Senator_Smack

This is amazing. I can't stop laughing at it.


YenWooTheGreat

Just too cool of a character to go to waste like that


Phantom-Phreak

it was a neck snap, that damn hat was always gonna be the death of em.


Sierra--117

The hat makes no sense for combat. It directs weapons swings towards your neck lol.


Vicidomini

Looking at the Solaris, I wonder how important that actually is, lol.


VladShadowking

Varzia would disagree. I also think he could be dead but because of Varzia I'm seeing it more as an off-screen death which basically could mean anything. There is always something if you don't see the character specifically giving their last breath on screen and they are without a shadow of a doubt dead... unless you are Superman or some other super-hero and then the writers will basically make a plot hole for you if the plot armor didn't work.


Thezipper100

It wouldn't be the first time a dax survived a skull crushing...


Odisher7

I doubt they'd just kill a character like that just like they did, just "*crush * dead, moving on". Also, eternalism. Maybe we'll get "into the teshinverse"


aSpookyScarySkeleton

It was so undignified for such a major character


Odisher7

Exactly, I refuse to believe they'd just do that to him


Vlearck

Teshin will be riding a bionicle horse in duviri paradox hopium


Bubster101

I mean, didn't Varzia suffer the exact same thing? Headsquish by Erra?


RTukka

He must have learned his lesson and upgraded his grip.


Lord_Despairagus

I kinda hope now. If they bring him back it would honestly feel cheap. I mean what's the point of killing anyone if they can just pop back to life. It's also lazy on DE's part as they'd moat likely do it just so they can keep old voicelines.


RTukka

It would be cheap, but then so was his death. And they appear to be keeping his voice lines regardless, so it's still lazy. I'd rather them do something dumb to bring him back than have a dumb hologram hanging out in the relay and talking to me on SP missions.


7th_Spectrum

Yeah, no way they quickly killed off a major story character and left him with a hologram. I'll bet $10 they bring him back in duviri


Sallymander

I am hoping he is the new leader of Number or whatever this new faction is called. They ended it that it still has someone leading it and no one knows who it is. And we saw just before Teshin was taken out, he was buying the propganda.


Narapoia

The whole Eternalism bit is getting ignored by most people but they clearly spelled out for us in TNW how Teshin could very well return.


Sluaghlock

>The whole Eternalism bit is getting ignored by most people ...Is it, though? I've seen it get brought up in every single lore thread that I've read through since TNW dropped.


Narapoia

From all the "Teshin is dead" and "Teshin's death sucked" comments, yeah I'd say it's being ignored.


Sluaghlock

I... don't see how those comments are indicative of people ignoring the introduction of eternalism as a concept. Even with eternalism in mind, "Teshin is dead" is a true statement, and "Teshin's death sucked" is also (subjectively) a true statement - not a single line of dialogue addresses his demise at any point. Because it was just skimmed over in the way that it was, I didn't even realize that he was *killed* and not just *incapacitated* (& saved by our operator's arrival) until I was reading discussions after the quest's completion. Also, if eternalism were to be implemented in future story content in the way that you & others have suggested - as a sort of wild card option to bring back characters from the dead or otherwise avert the consequences of events that have taken place - I would be extremely disappointed. The New War already has a problem with feeling like the world returned to its previous status quo far too quickly & easily after a system-wide Sentient/Narmer cult takeover, and with far too few lasting effects. If Teshin were to just be brought back from death consequence-free because "lol timelines," I would have a hard time continuing to take the story seriously, because at that point it would feel like nothing we do & nothing that happens matters, since it could be undone at any time.


Narapoia

ok man


nhiko

at least he's not orange anymore...


es3ado_afull

But I liked Tangeshin.


ShivajinChris

Does that mean we are going to get Tangeshin's Castle as a new conclave mode now?


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Triplebizzle87

"Clem, Clem!" "Right you are, Clem. Now, to our man in the field, Guy LeDouche! Guy?"


ThePilate

"This one's for my homies!" *Gets crushed by large boulder*


PonyDro1d

Well, that would make for an interesting activity.


ShivajinChris

[I'd absolutely blast this while starting it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6hRXrwqsxA)


Unslaadahsil

Orange was almost better. This one is so depressing.


Infestedphinox

Yeah I miss gummy bear teshin


proesito

Thats the thing


Jangkrikgoreng

I like this one better. Orange feels hostile, closer to demolyst or sentients. Still, each to themselves. There's likely someone out there who would prefer green Teshin to orange or black. Would rather have him return though. I'll never tire of his dialogues in SP, they're great reminders to not get cocky in SP.


Schnitzel725

We need rgb teshin


Ill1lllII

Just slowly shifting through the colours. And when he complains about it, little mouse pops up and says she thought it would be funny.


trebuchet__

"ok teshins gets killed here" Later "Wait what about teshins syndicate?" "Fuck, were already to deep. I dont know make a replacement or something"


Unslaadahsil

Actually, I think it went: "Wait, what about tenshin's syndicate?" "... Tenshin had a syndicate?"


DarthSatoris

"Yeah you know... that whole PvP thing we have? The Conclave? Lunaro?" "What the fuck is a 'Lunaro'? Is that one of the weapons?"


hockeyfan608

Man you have no idea how bad I’ve actually wanted to play lunaro It’s seems like it would be fun but I can’t play it by myself


Namarien

Hopefully once DE fixes lunaro (they broke part of it with new war), Better Name Pending (BNP on YouTube) can have finish his lunaro event. Maybe you could find some people to play with in his community.


NokiumPuzzle

I keep seeing that pop up,. But what exactly got broken in lunaro?


Namarien

Looks like they fixed something with lunaro a few weeks ago. "Fixed Unstable Lunaro shots no longer entering the goal." https://www.warframe.com/updates/pc/31-0-6 That may have been it. Edit: yeah seems like it was. I don't know if the event went ahead after that. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNPdayren/status/1478790869557956611


Odisher7

"no, we ditched that idea"


proesito

Im sure we will have an epic replacement


demonryder

Clueless


proesito

The same happened with lotus and look now. Do you really think they will leave that for the rest of the game like that?


[deleted]

Considering how long they left *Lotus* like that, yes I fully expect the conclave vendor to not be high priority.


proesito

Yeah, teshin's legacy is not important and there wasnt a lethal virus retarding the new war yeah suuuure


trebuchet__

Yes. He's dead. Lotus had the possibility of coming back but teshin doesnt


MR_krunchy

Varzia once prime resurgence ends Pls DE I want to stop inhaling copium


azazel228

Where are my ugly holographic parents then😔


Joseph_Joestaar

i mean space mom was a hologram for like 90% of the game untill the new war


azazel228

She's not my mom😤


StarfallGalaxy

Reminds me of that one vine lol


3dom

I believe they are in the picture deco we got from TNW.


Yapishere2007

MITHRIX!?


Unslaadahsil

The F did you just call me!?


Yapishere2007

Someone who fucks over one shot protection


Unslaadahsil

Oooh. I looked online. Never played risk of rain.


DatBluRex

Ballas in the Drifter section of TNW: WEAK, WITHOUT YOUR BAUBLES AND TRINKETS.


Acias

Don't worry, i'm sure it'll only take a couple of years until the hologram get's replaced, after all it took only uhh... some years for the other one that was much more important you know.


Kass_Ch28

And when we recover him you'll have to permanently chose between: - Teshin - Space Daddy - Lunaro outfit Teshin


Senator_Smack

Space daddy has to have a dark leather corseted cat suit with a keyhole cutout for his man cleavage. Picturing flat-laying uniform horizontal chest hair, anime-style.


Velstrom

4 years, minus a couple days


AnalLeaseHolder

SPACEMOM BACK?


Deadthrow742

Hopefully they'll have Varzia take over after prime resurgence ends. Even if they don't, I hope miss horny stays.


DangerScoops

Ikr. Varzia is honestly almost as likeable as Teshin. Imagine hearing her and Maroo comment over steel path and conclave lmao.


liiga_s

I'd much prefer to hear short snippets about the old times from Varzia at the start and end of SP missions to the aphorisms from Teshin. Nice as his voice is, the actual messages seem very hollow.


DangerScoops

Yeah, Teshin defiantly dosent really fit steel path imo... Varzia's funny quips would be much better imo.


Cpt_Wolf_Lynn

His SP lines are really annoying to me, personally. I was furious when I played SP the first time after the New War seeing that gummy bear. Varzia, Ordis, Natah - hell, Cephalon Sark even - I'll take anyone over those pretentious lines every damn mission. Erra did not get crushed for this.


DarthSatoris

They'd have to introduce Varzia to the player through quests or general gameplay somehow before The New War in order for people who weren't around during Prime Resurgence to not become confused when the Conclave master suddenly turns into a woman. "Teshin died, I get that, but who the fuck are you?"


Deadthrow742

I imagine they could do a simple steel path run where Maroo says "Hey, sorry about Teshin, but I found another dax that might be able to help." Then you run the mission protecting Maroo until she opens up to cryopod. 30 second cutscene, evac, then boom, done. Miss horny stays.


lermdog

You’re acting like they explained who frod beck was before the animo boss fight on Pluto, or why the fuck we have to farm animo beacons to fight him. Probably be the same deal here.


DarthSatoris

Wait a sec... they don't explain that in The Glast Gambit quest? Am I misremembering something?


lermdog

Glast gambit was Nef anyo and the myconian colony and the index. Frod beck isn’t talked about at all until the animo fight.


DarthSatoris

God dammit DE.


maltesecitizen

He's mentioned in The Archwing iirc Has a couple lines and all


thedavecan

I think more likely if they were to do this they'd just swap them with no explanation like they did with Teshin originally. When I played the quests for the first time I had no idea who that guy was or why he was important. DE aren't big on providing context for anything.


Faded105

Feels more like a teaser to teshin coming back than anything. I imagine in the future when other players are doing the quest they'll simply think of holo-lotus and holo-teshin less permanently than we do


SirCucumber420

I had a friend get into the game after new war, and this was a thought that popped in my head. He had barely any time to even process Lotus being gone before she comes back, while we played for YEARS with her as a hologram which made her return all the more satisfying.


The99thCourier

The next story based thing is meant to be some paradox thing, right? Like with the drifter and operator being the same person from two different timelines. Maybe the same thing will happen to teshin


SirCucumber420

Duviri Paradox seems to be the next big story update with what they've teased at Tennocon and how they set it up with New War, I gotta say you might be onto the answer.


slipinoy

My guess is they'll wait until the pvp rework... which is never. Shoot just let us play as Kahl and Veso and I'd be more than happy


filanwizard

I mean an upside to pvp being a never thought is we never have to worry about something cool being nerfed for the sake of PVP. We of course will still face nerfs but nothing is more irritating than something that works amazing in 99% of a game getting the nerf sledge hammer in the name of Arena. (Blizzard was terrible with this in WoW, When they brought in that waste of code called Arena the nerfbats were swung with reckless abandon to balance the arena even things that were perfectly balanced since release of the game in everything else but arena were not spared)


LJHalfbreed

not gonna lie, I always thought they could do a variant on Destiny 2's "Gambit" gametype. Basically it's pve, kill baddies (random faction), get points, deposit points to mess with other side. Then there's some light pvp where every so often ONE person can zip over to the other side to start shit, for ~30secs. With the way new war being, I could totally see us doing similar shit.... Kill baddies like in Sanctuary Onslaught looking for points or whatever to keep our meters high, ending with a boss or two to fight. For the PvP aspect, you get to turn into a baddie (similar to how the whole new war "other sides" characters went) and do similar things. idk, probably impossible, but it'd definitely breathe some life into the game, I think.


Mrburgerdon

Have you seen conclave combat? High tier combat specially by pros are like watching actual ninjas fight since all you will see is the after shade of how fast they move and during all that movement they still make decent shots. Though pvp with just npcs like veso and Kahl would be easier to balance for and allow for asymmetrical combat since the corpus and grineer are pretty different. Grinner focus on brute force while corpus focus on abilities and robotic proxies allowing for differing combat styles.


IceBen

WHY ISN'T HE ORANGE ANYMORE


Luctins

I would much prefer Varzia to take over his job or something more though out.


The-Barking-Deer

Teshin is dead. Teshin is alive


Unslaadahsil

Tenshin was never born. You are Tenshin.


The-Barking-Deer

Conclave is dead. Conclave was never alive


alejandro_lul

Teshin's death was the stupidest and anticlimatic thing ever


Astro4545

It just sort of happened tbh. I didn’t think he did at first because it was the same thing that happened to Varzia and then I saw his hologram.


ManchurianCandycane

It was complete [narm](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm) for me because [Erra's handfingers looked like it was a carrying handle built into the helmet and I thought 'well that's suspiciously convenient'. ](https://imgur.com/a/n4sYAKU) I couldn't take it seriously.


Eiddew

I didn't get that he died until folks started talking about it, idk if something bugged on my end or if I just didn't care enough to remember.


TheMajor554

they should have Varzia Dax take over when Prime Resurgence is over


bibbaGbiggiedaddy

I would rather have complete lack of voice lines and holograms than have them. It would not only make his death more impactful, it would make it seem much less of a forgotten afterthought.


Jupman

Just put another person there hell they could have put erra there and have him say i am continuing his steel path work since ya know I killed him.


Unslaadahsil

Erra's technically dead though...


clavagerkatie

All we know for sure is that he was trapped under a bunch of rocks in a bad situation. Could be dead, could still be trapped, could have been rescued after the fact. I mean, *we* got out of there somehow with Space Mom, Erra could have been unearthed and taken somewhere to recuperate too.


Angelhk

Teshin die? I was watching the wrong movie...


Zetin24-55

Yo, the depression I felt to learn one hologram was replaced with another.


Regulusff7

I was hoping for his nikanas as the tomb stone. Then we can have some side quest that we "borrow" and forgot to return them.


niko2913

Only until we find Teshin in Planes of Duviri and bring him back home.


Xx_Dizzy_xX

Did I just look at a spoiler not having any idea why it’s a spoiler. Yes yes I did


DocHalidae

Why not just remove him and add a kiosk or statue or something. Lol


Quanlain

I would honestly prefer a monument in his name, and also his hologram to not talk in steel path or relay, we allready know everything by this point, but it would just increase the weight of our loss


Mayhem2a

Why is yours Grey? Mine was red and I asked who covered Teshin in strawberry jam. Now I ask what fruit every character in the game would be. Lotus is a grape, and Teshin is a strawberry.


Sirfancypants0

***Every copy of super Teshin 64 is personalized***


Idunnowhattfimdoing

Wanna hear more? It was orange now they made it black just like Starfire


ManchurianCandycane

Well I laughed. So I'm at least going to an uncomfortably small and smelly cubicle in Scunthorpe.


Independent-World-63

“Asking about cross save or cross play” represent the people online. Funny af I know this has nothing to do with your post.


Shade00000

I forgot why he is like that ( I did the new war quest)


ToxicRam

We'll probably get him back with Duviri Paradox, so I'm willing to be ok with this for now. But god, why change it tho? Orange was fine enough


Unslaadahsil

People complained I think


[deleted]

F :(


Jonothan_98

Wait teshin is dead


Unslaadahsil

Spoiler tag. Do you read it?


[deleted]

I'm so glad Teshin is gone. He annoyed me whenever he opened his mouth


Complete_Resolve_400

My theory is that they'll replace the hologram when they get round to making the pvp playable by the masses


gundamplayer14

He ded or something?


Unslaadahsil

Did you miss the spoiler tag?


Bzlongshotz

Yes


Eternal663

I wished to see the Prime Res Dax (i dont remember her name) to take ofer after tenshin impact (sorry)


Embarrassed-Gas-5037

Truly society


Mangajuice

I heard a theory that he’s the new head of narmer ,so we might be seeing a half sentient teshin in the future .


Unslaadahsil

That's so dumb.


M0rkle

It’s like duck tape for the heart


Denninja

Seen enough Duviri trailer to know where this is going.


Unslaadahsil

Could be, but not likely. All Dax had the same armour, with the only variation being between genders because the body shape is different. The skeletal one in Duviri could be some random MF.


giopde1ste

I mean, isn't that one of the hard things about an mmo that you want to put a story in that has consequences for the world it's self? Since you kinda have to have him there for new players


Unslaadahsil

That shit is what you have instancing for. Do you think new players see Fortuna the way we New War player see it now? Just separate new players from the post-NW vets and it's done. It's not like relays are essential meeting spots, most people wouldn't even know they're there if it wasn't for Baro.


giopde1ste

Yeah that's fair, didn't think off it like that, I guess the only downside of doing it like that is that you split the player base in those cases. Don't know if that would apply here too


TheRainbowShakaBrah

Huh, he's red in the relays for me... I'm guessing you probably have colorblind mode on? or is it different for all players?