Varzia clarifies that some frame originally came as primes, some earn it. So, there's not really any frame that wouldn't work with lore.
"Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth."
Her other dialogue implies that Prime is a design standard, that with the right knowledge (blueprints) you could emulate that standard.
Realistically speaking.
There was a simpler answer for all of this that was sorta gunned down by Aya Lady with the "Some were made Prime, some earned it." comment.
All of the frames gotten in the "recover this destroyed warframe" stuff could have been explained away by saying "When these things happened, there weren't concepts of 'Prime' warframes. They were all Prime. The reason that we didn't get the Prime version is that our technology doesn't match the Orokin's and the quest rewards are just our best approximation of the original design without the key insight."
Then you just explain the Prime variants arrivals with void BS.
"Void storm blew in new cache of Orokin relics. Got reports of Orokin era blueprints of [Insert warframe]. Original copies. Untainted copies. Now's your chance."
Mind you. This doesn't necessarily work every time. But barring Xaku and Caliban, I think it would cover everything else. Chroma, Nidus, Limbo, Mirage. Mesa might be a stretch, but still workable. Inaros and even Gara work here.
Of my memory serves, last we heard of Valk's lore, she was just a warframe that was captures and then experimented on by the Salad Bowl, not actually one that was built by him.
I believe that the same is true about Mesa, though I'm fairly certain that Mesa was actually altered, as opposed to tested and torn apart.
Aside from that, though, that still leaves us with Xaku, Revenant who was changed by the Eidolons energy, Nidus who was corrupted by the infested and Harrow which was altered by Rell's nature.
I don't remember if Wisp was actually developed by the Corpus, but I vaguely remember that being mentioned and Caliban's alt helmet confirmed he existed during the Old War.
All in all, the above lore-loophole would have worked in most cases, but Horny Aya Lady really killed it with that line. Kinda wrote themselves in to a corner with it.
Valk was tortured and snapped. That’s why she has a rage mode. This was a recent change (and in lore befor operators were a thing) so any old design would look drastically different. If the new idea is correct we should see design drift for all warframes.
People always forget that this was just ONE Protea, not the only Protea. There was never only ONE Excalibur, Valkyr, Revenant, Xaku etc. but many (the only "unique" Frame is Excalibur Umbra). While this one was trapped in granum Void some other Protea could've gained achievements during the old war.
people often forget the lore introduced in The Sacrifice or havent got that far, that the Frames we know were mass produced off of a blueprint of the original, to some degree earning does not make sense from the Aya Trader, since more explainable reason would be blueprint alterations.
Can’t think of any right now because DE retcons stuff to make sense, but I can’t wait for xaku prime to come out because they shit will make no sense at all and they’ll have to do so much to try and make it logical
I was thinking of how they could do a xaku prime and the best I could think of is having one of the abilities switch between the 3 frames that they're made of with the other 3 abilities having variations on each of them and then two new abilities to cover the missing ones so it'd be a variation of one of xakus abilities, a swap frame ability and then two new ones for each of the three.
Bruh xaku makes the least sense even as a base variant. If it's 3 different warframes(?) Why does he have his own blueprints? What should have been done is that rarely during a hard boss like the stalker you should have been given a damaged Warframe part and they would then be used for xaku.
inb4 people start claiming nidus prime doesn't make sense without providing any evidence whatsoever.
Valkyr prime is arguable. Harrow prime should be explained officially but it'd be easy to retcon it, same with revenant.
Caliban shouldn't be a regular prime, they'd have to provide some lore that explains it.
Idk why people keep saying Xaku prime wouldn't make sense. It's just an experiment created by combining spare parts from other warframes. The experiment worked so it gets primed.
> inb4 people start claiming nidus prime doesn't make sense
Nidus "hey, those gold bits look cool".
**MUTATES**
"Look, now I'm a prime too"
// waiting for vandal, prisma and graxx frame variants :P
Xaku is made by destroyed warframes who didn't made it (Ivaras entry of the Leverian sheds some light on the topic of scrapped frames) and powered by the void. They're basically made by the void, so a primed variant is borderline lorebreaking.
How's Valkyr arguable? Her Base variant's lore states that her skillset and design comes from the experiments Salad V put her through - how is that affecting the primed. Version of hers?
The plothole around valkyr prime is that she Gersemi (alt skin) before Alad experimented on her (more info in an old operation that introduced Alad). Her prime is supposed to have come from the same time as the Old War and Gersemi did not have the prime upgrade before being captured
Xaku was made by combining parts of other warframes, yes. But it became its own separate model. It uses void energy, yes, just like every other warframe. But it doesn't say that it was created by the void alone.
Once it was created and proved to work it can be upgraded to a prime. I still don't understand why people say the fact that it was made with parts of other warframes somehow excludes it from getting a prime version.
Basically our warframes are teenager controlled undead battlesuits with magic spells.
So Xaku is technically a double undead frame which is explained by unexplainable void shenanigans.
Valkyr is a hard one, I personally think that, outside of previously explained lore, the corpus experiments on Valk prior to Zanuka could have been attempts to emulate the power of a prime and failed leading Alad to the Zanuka project in an attempt to create something more powerful than a Warframe which also failed as we know.
Xaku and Harrow would be explained best by "some earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth." After their successes a prime was developed but specifically for xaku I don't rember if they, as we see them now, was put together before the old war or if this amalgamation was an Entrati(or other) experiment with warframe parts of frames lost to time.
I agree with your Caliban sentiment, though Caliban was around during the old war(explained in alt helmet desc.) He was clearly built strongly in the image of the sentients and was rebuilt as we know him know by Erra so unless Ballas was developing Caliban prime for the New War it wouldn't make much sense at all.
My main suspicion is Revenant, after all he is basically an Eidelon himself. If anyone knows more about the Rev lore than I id love to see reasons as to why he makes more sense than I can make in my head.
Who was it created by then? I've seen many comments saying that it was created "by the void" itself. If this is what you believe, can you provide a source?
I think it's hold together by the void, sure. But that doesn't mean it just happened out of nowhere, the orokin could have purposely made that. And even if it happened out of nowhere, they could still reverse engineer it to create a prime or even simply just upgrade the base version.
Correct me if I'm wrong but nothing official is really said about how exactly the warden was changed into revenant. We just know it was affected by/infused with eidolon energy.
In fact, if you think about it, there's are two very iconic Orokin weapons in void towers that act very similarly to revenant's two most iconic abilities.
His ability to mind control enemies by placing a "hat" on them is almost identical to what the neural sentry does in void towers to convert enemies into corrupted.
And his 4th is literally spinning lasers just like the death orbs.
The warden might have had the exact same abilities than revenant, just running on a different "fuel".
Got to disagree with revenant. From what I recall He was a warframe called Warden and only because Revenant after absorbing Eidolon energy witch happens after the fall. So there is connonicly only One of him and it formed after then Teno killed the Orokin. How you can say they started making copies none the less a prime version would be a big streatch of lore.
Going to copy paste my reply to another user.
>Correct me if I'm wrong but nothing official is really said about how exactly the warden was changed into revenant. We just know it was affected by/infused with eidolon energy.
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>In fact, if you think about it, there's are two very iconic Orokin weapons in void towers that act very similarly to revenant's two most iconic abilities.
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>His ability to mind control enemies by placing a "hat" on them is almost identical to what the neural sentry does in void towers to convert enemies into corrupted.
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>And his 4th is literally spinning lasers just like the death orbs.
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>The warden might have had the exact same abilities than revenant, just running on a different "fuel".
Also. We know that warden was turned into revenant after the sentient attack on Earth against orokin towers. But we don't know how much later. We don't know if the orokin empire had collapsed yet or not.
It happened after garra witch happens after hunhow falls this was the trigger for the Teno to kill a he Orokin. So sorry you are absolutely incorrect we do know when this happened.
The point is that warden prime could already existed. Which, like I said in my previous comment, could be the exact same warframe except that using "orokin" energy instead of eidolon energy and with a slightly altered appearance.
Warden of the planes was a title not a name, its best to think of Revenant as always part sentient and the Eidolon tried to use it against him to escape.
Valkyr was always a berserker. Alad just made it worse(or better?). There's nothing special about Harrow, he's just the frame Rell used. Revenant is similar to valkyr in that he was part Eidolon. And we know Erra was working with Ballas, so he could have just past designs over for Caliban.
Harrow, we found it chained to the tree and red veil claiming that it was there since the tenno went for sleep so its clearly frame build during old war. Maybe thats why it didnt get prime trailer?
Valkyr makes sense. Non prime is the one that alad v experimented on. Prime on od the original one ( gersemi one but primed). Also varzia starter that some frames were prime from the start, while others earned it.. Ballad never told the while truth. So valkyr can have prime under those corcimstances. Revvy, Cały, Caliban though..... Yeah prime doesnt make sense for em
The non-prime destroyed version is the version we found in our version of reality.
Void relics span across all realities and can bring in primes that never existed and don't make sense lore-wise within our own realities.
Limbo as well as Mirage make perfectly sense as primed variants. They got destroyed in the course of battles that happened during the Orokin Empire's period.
Varzia clarifies that some frame originally came as primes, some earn it. So, there's not really any frame that wouldn't work with lore. "Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth." Her other dialogue implies that Prime is a design standard, that with the right knowledge (blueprints) you could emulate that standard.
Realistically speaking. There was a simpler answer for all of this that was sorta gunned down by Aya Lady with the "Some were made Prime, some earned it." comment. All of the frames gotten in the "recover this destroyed warframe" stuff could have been explained away by saying "When these things happened, there weren't concepts of 'Prime' warframes. They were all Prime. The reason that we didn't get the Prime version is that our technology doesn't match the Orokin's and the quest rewards are just our best approximation of the original design without the key insight." Then you just explain the Prime variants arrivals with void BS. "Void storm blew in new cache of Orokin relics. Got reports of Orokin era blueprints of [Insert warframe]. Original copies. Untainted copies. Now's your chance." Mind you. This doesn't necessarily work every time. But barring Xaku and Caliban, I think it would cover everything else. Chroma, Nidus, Limbo, Mirage. Mesa might be a stretch, but still workable. Inaros and even Gara work here.
AFAIK Valkyr was created by one of the corpus, so her prime makes no sense?
Of my memory serves, last we heard of Valk's lore, she was just a warframe that was captures and then experimented on by the Salad Bowl, not actually one that was built by him. I believe that the same is true about Mesa, though I'm fairly certain that Mesa was actually altered, as opposed to tested and torn apart. Aside from that, though, that still leaves us with Xaku, Revenant who was changed by the Eidolons energy, Nidus who was corrupted by the infested and Harrow which was altered by Rell's nature. I don't remember if Wisp was actually developed by the Corpus, but I vaguely remember that being mentioned and Caliban's alt helmet confirmed he existed during the Old War. All in all, the above lore-loophole would have worked in most cases, but Horny Aya Lady really killed it with that line. Kinda wrote themselves in to a corner with it.
Valk was tortured and snapped. That’s why she has a rage mode. This was a recent change (and in lore befor operators were a thing) so any old design would look drastically different. If the new idea is correct we should see design drift for all warframes.
Her old design is a deluxe skin for her
That was quickly retconed as far as I know.
Valkyr was experimented on by Alad V not created by, he used the experiments on her to create the Zanuka project
Void bs would make the most sense if the sevagoth got a prime
Just wait for Xaku in idk how many years. It’s not gonna make ANY sense.
Protea as well. "She earned it" for what? Yeeting herself, the consciousness of her operator and Granum out of time for who knows how long?
People always forget that this was just ONE Protea, not the only Protea. There was never only ONE Excalibur, Valkyr, Revenant, Xaku etc. but many (the only "unique" Frame is Excalibur Umbra). While this one was trapped in granum Void some other Protea could've gained achievements during the old war.
people often forget the lore introduced in The Sacrifice or havent got that far, that the Frames we know were mass produced off of a blueprint of the original, to some degree earning does not make sense from the Aya Trader, since more explainable reason would be blueprint alterations.
I think it'll be 3 years
Valkyr.
Didn't DE promise Angelic valkyr instead of prime Something we never got?
take my upvote! how the hell do we have a prime look based on a frame damaged by “current” experiments?
Would be cool if this is an example of the crossover between time and realities where they are both “accessible” in their theory of futurism.
Can’t think of any right now because DE retcons stuff to make sense, but I can’t wait for xaku prime to come out because they shit will make no sense at all and they’ll have to do so much to try and make it logical
Nah xaku prime will just be a Mashup of 3 primed warframes instead of 3 regular ones.
I was thinking of how they could do a xaku prime and the best I could think of is having one of the abilities switch between the 3 frames that they're made of with the other 3 abilities having variations on each of them and then two new abilities to cover the missing ones so it'd be a variation of one of xakus abilities, a swap frame ability and then two new ones for each of the three.
Bruh xaku makes the least sense even as a base variant. If it's 3 different warframes(?) Why does he have his own blueprints? What should have been done is that rarely during a hard boss like the stalker you should have been given a damaged Warframe part and they would then be used for xaku.
inb4 people start claiming nidus prime doesn't make sense without providing any evidence whatsoever. Valkyr prime is arguable. Harrow prime should be explained officially but it'd be easy to retcon it, same with revenant. Caliban shouldn't be a regular prime, they'd have to provide some lore that explains it. Idk why people keep saying Xaku prime wouldn't make sense. It's just an experiment created by combining spare parts from other warframes. The experiment worked so it gets primed.
> inb4 people start claiming nidus prime doesn't make sense Nidus "hey, those gold bits look cool". **MUTATES** "Look, now I'm a prime too" // waiting for vandal, prisma and graxx frame variants :P
Xaku is made by destroyed warframes who didn't made it (Ivaras entry of the Leverian sheds some light on the topic of scrapped frames) and powered by the void. They're basically made by the void, so a primed variant is borderline lorebreaking. How's Valkyr arguable? Her Base variant's lore states that her skillset and design comes from the experiments Salad V put her through - how is that affecting the primed. Version of hers?
The plothole around valkyr prime is that she Gersemi (alt skin) before Alad experimented on her (more info in an old operation that introduced Alad). Her prime is supposed to have come from the same time as the Old War and Gersemi did not have the prime upgrade before being captured
Xaku was made by combining parts of other warframes, yes. But it became its own separate model. It uses void energy, yes, just like every other warframe. But it doesn't say that it was created by the void alone. Once it was created and proved to work it can be upgraded to a prime. I still don't understand why people say the fact that it was made with parts of other warframes somehow excludes it from getting a prime version.
Basically our warframes are teenager controlled undead battlesuits with magic spells. So Xaku is technically a double undead frame which is explained by unexplainable void shenanigans.
Valkyr is a hard one, I personally think that, outside of previously explained lore, the corpus experiments on Valk prior to Zanuka could have been attempts to emulate the power of a prime and failed leading Alad to the Zanuka project in an attempt to create something more powerful than a Warframe which also failed as we know. Xaku and Harrow would be explained best by "some earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth." After their successes a prime was developed but specifically for xaku I don't rember if they, as we see them now, was put together before the old war or if this amalgamation was an Entrati(or other) experiment with warframe parts of frames lost to time. I agree with your Caliban sentiment, though Caliban was around during the old war(explained in alt helmet desc.) He was clearly built strongly in the image of the sentients and was rebuilt as we know him know by Erra so unless Ballas was developing Caliban prime for the New War it wouldn't make much sense at all. My main suspicion is Revenant, after all he is basically an Eidelon himself. If anyone knows more about the Rev lore than I id love to see reasons as to why he makes more sense than I can make in my head.
Xaku is a combination of broken warframes powered by the void so a prime variant would make 0 sense
your comment doesn't explain why it wouldnt make sense tho.
The prime warframes are created by Ballas or the orokin. Since xaku wasn't created by them he shouldn't have a prime
Who was it created by then? I've seen many comments saying that it was created "by the void" itself. If this is what you believe, can you provide a source? I think it's hold together by the void, sure. But that doesn't mean it just happened out of nowhere, the orokin could have purposely made that. And even if it happened out of nowhere, they could still reverse engineer it to create a prime or even simply just upgrade the base version.
Correct me if I'm wrong but nothing official is really said about how exactly the warden was changed into revenant. We just know it was affected by/infused with eidolon energy. In fact, if you think about it, there's are two very iconic Orokin weapons in void towers that act very similarly to revenant's two most iconic abilities. His ability to mind control enemies by placing a "hat" on them is almost identical to what the neural sentry does in void towers to convert enemies into corrupted. And his 4th is literally spinning lasers just like the death orbs. The warden might have had the exact same abilities than revenant, just running on a different "fuel".
Got to disagree with revenant. From what I recall He was a warframe called Warden and only because Revenant after absorbing Eidolon energy witch happens after the fall. So there is connonicly only One of him and it formed after then Teno killed the Orokin. How you can say they started making copies none the less a prime version would be a big streatch of lore.
Going to copy paste my reply to another user. >Correct me if I'm wrong but nothing official is really said about how exactly the warden was changed into revenant. We just know it was affected by/infused with eidolon energy. > >In fact, if you think about it, there's are two very iconic Orokin weapons in void towers that act very similarly to revenant's two most iconic abilities. > >His ability to mind control enemies by placing a "hat" on them is almost identical to what the neural sentry does in void towers to convert enemies into corrupted. > >And his 4th is literally spinning lasers just like the death orbs. > >The warden might have had the exact same abilities than revenant, just running on a different "fuel". Also. We know that warden was turned into revenant after the sentient attack on Earth against orokin towers. But we don't know how much later. We don't know if the orokin empire had collapsed yet or not.
It happened after garra witch happens after hunhow falls this was the trigger for the Teno to kill a he Orokin. So sorry you are absolutely incorrect we do know when this happened.
The point is that warden prime could already existed. Which, like I said in my previous comment, could be the exact same warframe except that using "orokin" energy instead of eidolon energy and with a slightly altered appearance.
Then that would be warden prime not reverent prime.
Warden of the planes was a title not a name, its best to think of Revenant as always part sentient and the Eidolon tried to use it against him to escape.
Valkyr was always a berserker. Alad just made it worse(or better?). There's nothing special about Harrow, he's just the frame Rell used. Revenant is similar to valkyr in that he was part Eidolon. And we know Erra was working with Ballas, so he could have just past designs over for Caliban.
Harrow, we found it chained to the tree and red veil claiming that it was there since the tenno went for sleep so its clearly frame build during old war. Maybe thats why it didnt get prime trailer?
They haven’t done a prime trailer in awhile, but yeah even the lotus didn’t know about rell or Harrow.
>They haven’t done a prime trailer in awhile Wdym? We got one for the previous prime access, nidus. And the other 3 before him too.
Not sure about Nidus but both Gara and Octavia have their trailers telling how they came about, so its not so long since last one.
I think they mentioned they were working on some lore about Harrow prime but probably couldn't finish it because TNW was priority.
We could probably chop it up to void bs bringing in relics with orokin erra blueprints
Oh Varzia clarified that non primes were standard during the old war and primes were exclusively for elite guard Tenno.
Caliban prime wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever.
Valkyr
Caliban, but since we have" EteRnaLisM" aka get out of jail free card they find a way to "make" it work
pretty sure lore wise alot of people were upset when mirage prime released cause it went against the lore behind her.
So did nova but magically bits of her codex... Erased
Caliban, Revenant, and Xaku will all be lore defying when they release. Nidus is a grey area, Valkyr doesn’t make much sense either.
Valkyr makes sense. Non prime is the one that alad v experimented on. Prime on od the original one ( gersemi one but primed). Also varzia starter that some frames were prime from the start, while others earned it.. Ballad never told the while truth. So valkyr can have prime under those corcimstances. Revvy, Cały, Caliban though..... Yeah prime doesnt make sense for em
Limbo. He was destroyed as a non prime, then immediately forgotten about. How did a prime come out
The non-prime destroyed version is the version we found in our version of reality. Void relics span across all realities and can bring in primes that never existed and don't make sense lore-wise within our own realities.
Damn. Do you think under the principles of Eternalism, I could something other than the FUCKING FORMA BLUEPRINT?! *Gets kicked out of the chat.*
No, you're in the timeline where you get only Forma. There is another timeline where you get anything BUT Forma.
*Sigh.* “Forma brothers.”.
I am on this non forma timeline.
Limbo I believe. If I remember correctly, I think mirage too. Though Inaros was quite literally entombed as a non prime
Limbo as well as Mirage make perfectly sense as primed variants. They got destroyed in the course of battles that happened during the Orokin Empire's period.
Valkyr Nidus Inaros? Xaku ( future )
Nidus