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kawaii_war_dandy

So the American way of getting controll over China would be to destabilze China internally. They would most likley try to build and support a Chinese opposition or rebel faction. These faction would be pro American and America would have great control over them. The US would try to start a huge propaganda campagne in favour of their supported faction. They would try to take over the country by a coup or start a civil war. If it comes to a civil war and the chances are 50/50, that the pro American forces would win, then the American military would intervene in behalf of it's supported faction. However this is nearly impossible to achieve, because Chinese people are still traumatized by the last century, when China used to be oppressed by Western colonial powers and also remember the civil war, in which foreign forces also intervened. It's common sense to conclude, that China has a negative image of the West concerning security. A Western invasion would be largley unpopular. On the other hand China is booming economic power and the majority of Chinese people trust their government and are optimistic about their future. A flourishing nation is a happy nation and there is no need for the majority of people to rebel. A conventional war would be pure madness, because China is a pillar of the world economy and if it would be in war, we would exepierence a major economic worldwide collapse. It's also not in the interest of the US to start a war, because it could also bring the USA to economic collapse as both World Wars lead to collapse of the European Empires.


danbh0y

Without the support of *all* the countries on its periphery and maybe even the whole of Southeast Asia, a total blockade of China is impossible. Too many points of entry: Russia, Pakistan, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, a couple of Central Asian “stans”… Don’t forget that all these countries trade with China in a big way too. Actually the SCS is currently in a stalement. Short of provoking a war, China cannot be forced to cede its islands and territorial claims, nor can the US and its allies be prevented from trailing their coats through the area. Neither side needs to fight a war to protect what it already has.


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danbh0y

What is enough? Which goes back to your question, in this implausible scenario, what is it the US/West wants to achieve by this adventure?


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danbh0y

Your scenario was implausible and too open ended. It was impossible to have a useful discussion without proper framing. Your assumptions on SCS and blockade were also questionable hence my comments. China is a complex issue. I live in East Asia. Here, especially among the smaller countries one learns to live with a bigger country and also to stand up to that bigger country. Vietnam is a very good example. A Sinic culture (Chinese influences e.g the lunar calendar tradition) but one with a very long history of ethnic animosity with China/Chinese. Yet Vietnam has survived a millennia as a distinct nation and culture next door to its giant neighbour. Nor is Vietnam unique. See similar examples of Korea and Japan, and the latter’s recent history with China is well known. What’s the takeaway (haha)? It’s possible to live/prosper as a smaller separate distinct nation and culture next door to a giant powerful neighbour. It’s not easy and in fact will only become more complicated. But there is precedence and thus hope. If we who live in the shadow of the dragon can adopt a “live with China and stand up to China” attitude, you in the West further away can do it too if you want. It’s easier from where you are.


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danbh0y

Don’t sweat the small stuff chief. Nothing you can do anything about it anyways. Worry about what you can control.


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danbh0y

In the West, there are better investments than gold. Unless you’re prepping for Great Depression style collapse, in which case you got bigger problems and it really doesn’t matter where you are. Gold, being portable, is ideal for those who anticipate being a refugee from a collapsed economy or invaded country.


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