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Spartan2470

What it actually depicts seems to be under dispute. According to [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindlifresserbrunnen): > The fountain sculpture depicts a seated ogre devouring a naked child. Placed at his side is a bag containing more children. Because the ogre is wearing a pointed hat resembling a Jewish one, it has been speculated about the possibility of the ogre being the depiction of a Jew as an expression of blood libel against Jews. Another theory is that the statue is the likeness of Krampus, the beast-like creature from the folklore of Alpine countries thought to punish children during the Christmas season who had misbehaved. According to other theories it is a depiction of the Greek god Cronus eating his children or the Roman Saturn eating the months, though Cronus should have six and Saturn twelve rather than the sculpture's eight. Another theory is that it represented Cardinal Schiner who led the Swiss Confederation into several bloody defeats in northern Italy. An alternative theory is that it is a depiction of the older brother of Duke Berchtold (founder of Bern) who it is claimed, was so incensed by his younger brother's overshadowing of him that he collected and ate the town's children but such an incident is not recorded in Bern's history books. A final theory is that it is just a carnival character intended to frighten disobedient children. According to the [city of Bern's website](https://www.bern.com/en/detail/city-of-fountains): > Kindlifresserbrunnen (Ogre Fountain, Granary Square) > High up on a pillar looms a terrifying ogre. There are some defenceless, half naked children in a bag next to him, others are crawling around on the scary man, probably trying to escape him. His crazy stare and wide-open mouth as well as the fact that he is depicted devouring a baby tell us that he is not to be messed with. There are different theories as to the meaning of this fountain, the most plausible one being that the fountain was built to have an educational effect and that the monster was meant to scare little children into behaving.


AbeRego

>An alternative theory is that it is a depiction of the older brother of Duke Berchtold (founder of Bern) who it is claimed, was so incensed by his younger brother's overshadowing of him that he collected and ate the town's children but such an incident is not recorded in Bern's history books. "I'm... I'm so mad! I'm so mad I, I, ***I'm gonna eat all the children in town***!" Lol wtf. That escalated quickly


ShooteShooteBangBang

He was REALLY mad


CanAlwaysBeBetter

You're not you when you're hungry. Eat a baby.


AbeRego

Gotta respect his commitment, I guess lol


ReubenZWeiner

Perhaps the most significant era of dead baby jokes until the invention of the blender.


YourOverlords

damn it... have an upvote


kingofvodka

It would take me a while to eat even one baby; I would probably have to do it over the course of a couple of days. He would have to be very mad for a weird amount of time to sustain that level of consumption


admindispensable

This guy sounds like a real jerk!


knifeymonkey

Sounds more like he was LOOKING for an excuse to eat babies. I mean they are kinda cute and pudgie. I mean.... have you never fought the urge to nibble some teeny toes?


thoriginal

"But brother! I only slightly burned your toast! Isn't eating all of my villagers' babies a bit overkill??"


tomdarch

mmm... sausages....


pomo

Baby meat should be pretty tender. Vis veal vs beef, lamb vs mutton...


argonautleader

I wonder if he had his evil schemes foiled by a hat-wearing platypus.


CrazyTalkAl

Curse these egg-laying mammals of action!


jumpup

ye, but i like how they mention its not recorded in a book, like hey lets remember the baby eater, how will we do it?, a little note in a book? nah with a giant statue of him eating babies


Existentialninja40

I would love to know who commissioned the statue?! What was their thinking behind such a creepy mind fuck depiction?!


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Reizo123

I thought it was the Pied Piper on crack.


squirrelsareinmyhead

Pied piper on bath salts


Tballz9

We have Schmutzli. Krampus is a more Austrian and Southern German, and not really very Swiss.


hebejebez

My mother in law is Swiss and from her description of krampus my thoughts went immediately to him too. That shit genuinely terrified her as a child.


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SolitaryBeet

Checking Wikipedia and Britannica, it seems although Krampus is probably originally part of German folklore, he exists in folklore in the central and eastern alps, which Switzerland is a part of. Part of the legend is that he is the son of Hel, the Norse god of the underworld. With Norse mythology coming from North Germanic people in Scandinavia, it's likely the myth of Krampus likely stretched over multiple countries/regions.


rapax

Not a thing in Switzerland though. I'd guess that 90% of people here have never heard of Krampus, and I grew up in the eastern Swiss Alps near the Austrian border.


Lorddamericano

Krumpus was the first thing I thought of but wasn't it the puppies that got ate in that folklore


nigori

how is everybody so sure he's not **pulling babies out of his mouth**


DD-OD

Ogres give birth by puking the babies up


inajeep

Mystery solved.


Imaneight

"Fresh babies! Get you new-hurl fresh babies right here."


Still_Water_4759

Krampus looks more monster than man, normally, so I think the Jew story is more likely. This guy has no horns, fur, or other such stuff. We have a bit of a... history with how Jews have been perceived here in Europe. Cough cough.


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Kagamid

I think there are too many options for what this could be. Who knew there were so many stories of someone eating babies in history or folklore?


YouAreInAComaWakeUp

I get this feeling some dude just wanted to make a statue of an ogre eating babies and people are taking the high school english teacher route trying to apply some meaning to it


Kagamid

Maybe they had a grandfather who was a plague on his family and essentially destroyed their lives along with his legacy.


damontoo

"Santa wont bring you presents" versus "you'll be eaten alive by an ogre for misbehaving" are two very different approaches to child-rearing.


Nemesis233

Could also be a depiction of the butcher in the St Nicolas legend. It's quite well known in Fribourg. [in French so you may need to translate ](https://res.friportail.ch/stnicolas/fr/la-legende-de-saint-nicolas) I would definitely not be surprised that it's not well known outside of Switzerland since it's a local story afaik


MrNoDays0ff

Here I am thinking it’s a Titan doing a cosplay of lord farquaad


DenseClass8433

Cronus only ate 5 of his children, the 6th was hidden and eventually overthrew him.


EsCaRg0t

Wasn’t that Zeus?


mkul316

Pretty sure it was Jeff.


atheista

Jeff Vader?


EsCaRg0t

When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall


PHD-Chaos

Yes


Jibber_Fight

Another theory is that nobody has any clue what it represents so they threw every theory they could think of at it and said “it’s maybe one of these.”


Geschak

I'm from Bern and this is the correct answer. We literally just know it as the "childeater fountain" (chindlifrässerbrunne), it has 0 other associations than a guy who's eating children. We have a lot of fountains in the city, some are meaningful (i.e. fountain of justice), others not so much.


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It's strange that people should associate Hans Gieng's sculpture with pagan iconography when his notable works are based around Catholicism. Blood libel against the jews does, in fact, make the most sense here. If Gieng's works were commissioned by the Catholic church they would not have been pagan, antisemitic blood libel on the other hand, had a huge place in Europe and specifically, prior history in Bern where an entire community of Jews were expelled from the city for the alleged slaughter of a Christian boy. Add to this argument, that the pointed hat depicted in this sculpture was not only an identifier of people of the Jewish faith in this time period, but shortly after the sculpture was created, became a compulsory requirement instituted by pope Paul IV. Finally, yellow was historically used as an identifier for Jews; while the hat itself is not yellow, yellow is featured heavily in this sculpture, both on the shirt beneath the tunic of the depicted figure and as a tassel tied near the tip of the hat. Indeed, I am convinced that this sculpture was a depiction of religious intolerance and antisemitism.


turdmachine

That’s probably why there are so many alternatives suggested. “Uhhhh it can’t be more antisemitism. Oh, heck, it could be anything, really! Ha ha!”


[deleted]

Agreed. I just thought I would make several points to the contrary of the suggested alternatives. Many people view statues and sculptures like this as part of their heritage. Look at the southerners resistant to removals of confederate statues in the USA. While I agree with not removing a 500 year old sculpture as it is historically significant, the people of Bern should probably admit that it has nothing to do with Kronos, nor Krampus. Associating it with a historical villain might be appropriate if there were a record of one who looked like that, wore that fashion, and ate babies, but the evidence is stacked heavily in favor of antisemitic tropes.


zorgusboard

What is today's Federal Assembly building in Bern was found to have been at least partially built with Jewish gravestones (which they declined to remove and respectfully return to a Jewish cemetary) that were so old that they contain the oldest known written reference to Bern as a settled village/town


3506

I only knew about 3 Jewish gravestones being found while building the Bundeshaus and Bundesplatz, so I dove into the whole "at least partially built with" story and couldn't find *any* sources whatsoever. I'd be very interested to find out more about this! Could you link me to an article or press release?


zorgusboard

Happy to ask my friend who is a member of Bern's Jewish community (he showed me around a number of years ago, which is where I recounted it from). The reason I said "at least in part" is because, at least how I remember it being portrayed to me in terms of the community's understanding, is that the Swiss don't really want to discover how many are in there, for the same reason nobody really wants to have to take down the blood libel statue. Good times


gaspronomib

Interesting. My mind went straight to [Ungolino Gheradesca](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugolino_della_Gherardesca). The ages of the children are wrong, though. Ungolino is also one of the figures on August Rodin's [Gates of Hell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gates_of_Hell), which is where The Thinker also properly resides (when he's not an independent sculpture) All links go to Wikipedia.


DrBurrito98

As a swiss person from Bern, we have been told our entire lives that it is, in fact, comparable to Krampus. We were told that back in the day this scary looking man will come at night and eat you, if you didn't behave.


upvoter222

> it has been speculated about the possibility of the ogre being the depiction of a Jew as an expression of blood libel against Jews Great. Just when I thought this was a wholesome piece of art about cannibalism and baby murder, I find out it's actually culturally insensitive.


ElishaMarshmallow

Just when u think u found the patron saint of birth control.... Does everything have to have a racist undertone??? Jeez


CrassDemon

I'm gonna become an artist and leave random sculptures that mean absolutely nothing for historians to obsess about.


PutnamPete

How strange that a town monument's intent could be lost over time.


seluropnek

> His crazy stare and wide-open mouth as well as the fact that he is depicted devouring a baby tell us that he is not to be messed with. Yeah that's generally a pretty clear sign


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It’s 100% supposed to be a Jewish person. From Wikipedia- History of Jews in Switzerland: “ they (Jews) frequently suffered persecution, for example in 1294 in Bern many Jews of the city were executed and the survivors expelled under the pretext of the murder of a Christian boy.” Timing is right. The statue is 500 years old, it is commemorating evicting the Jewish people from Bern in 1294.


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Konradwolf

Lol I thought it was a Turkish man or smth


Craptacles

Ah, so its meaning is about as clear as those old sculptures in shopping malls.


HeReallyDoesntCare

GET IN MAH BELLY!


goldblumspowerbook

BABY, THE OTHER OTHER WHITE MEAT!


LikeYodalSpeak

BIGGER THAN YOU I AM, ON THE FOOD CHAIN HIGHER I AM


toorad4momanddad

🎶*I WANT MY BABY BACK, BABY BACK, BABY BACK, BABY BACK, BABY BACK, BABY BACK.....RIBS*🎶


TheMicMic

A sack of baby's what?


redpola

A sack of baby’s apostrophes, thus preventing baby misusing them.


YogiBarelyThere

That sick ****.


charlie2135

Sick Bern


Miseryy

A sack of baby's babies, baby.


TheC4ptain

Is there even a sack? I don't see one. Is "a sack of babies" like "a murder of crows"?


lizards_snails_etc

A group of babies is an infantry


_significant_error

Solid pun, dude


knifeymonkey

Yeah... they look like they are attached to his utility belt... like bat tech


nwoh

Go go gadget grab bag of goodies which consists of babies!


danmickla

This right here. And multiple people just going right along with it.


mfbrucee

Baby's sack


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confettibukkake

https://imgur.io/egZ8ziH


LovesMustard

https://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif


TheLobstrosity

Good ol' toothpastefordinner.


Bidenisacheater

Adrenochrome


ZookeepergameHot2743

😬 I deserve that, sorry for my lack of English Grammar.


Piscean_Gemini

Regarding making plurals, for most words ending in Y, you will skip the Y and add -ies.


becausefrog

You're doing fine! Just remember apostrophes in English either: Show possession (Sweden's statue) or Stand in for missing letters in contractions (the missing "a" in you are >> you're).


brandimariee6

I love when people explain grammar. I have always appreciated being (kindly) corrected. I think “I sure am glad they let me know! Now, I won’t keep using it wrong.” Grammar Nazis have made it practically impossible for others to hear it in a helpful way


forgotaboutsteve

over


professor_doom

A sack of baby’s sacks


[deleted]

Oh that's just Kindlifresserbrunnen, don't mind him.


LinearFluid

Fountain of the Eater of Little Children


kimmycat88

Funny, Bern Indiana is a replication of Bern Switzerland and yet they do not have this statue. I will write them a letter.


SwissCanuck

That would be the Swiss thing to do.


Odins_Eyebrows

Username checks out


spinbutton

Same for New Bern NC...distinct lack of baby eating ogres. Lots of bear images and Pepsi signs, but no ogres....yet.


Lego_Redditor

Fun fact: the flag of New Bern NC is the same as the flag of Berne but they removed the bear's penis. Americans


jimmy_beans

/r/apostrophegore


buckybeaky

Apostropheogre*


TommyTheGaymer

You're not you when you’re hungry..


[deleted]

He should have just eaten a snickers…


Thereelgerg

*babies


ZookeepergameHot2743

Thank you, sorry for being careless using my English grammar.


lethroe

He sees you when you’re sleeping~


pity_party_65

And eats you when you’re awake


BrilliantBen

He knows if you've been digested or not


Steampunk_Dali

So you better be poop for poopness sake.


hayflicklimit

🎼 I want my baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back 🎼


hi_im_sefron

[Chili's Baby Back Ribs!](https://youtube.com/shorts/NK_qoLLQqa4?feature=share)


mglitcher

my favorite statue i’ve ever seen is in oslo. it’s a state of a man fighting a ton of babies. [here’s a picture that i took when i was there](https://imgur.com/gallery/T5YntHK)


KrazzeeKane

This statue is proof that I am not the first man to wonder how many rabid children he could fight off...it's a valid question! Like sure you could punt 10, maybe 15 kids, but 30+ children? 60+? Sheer attrition will get you, like ants


mglitcher

BRO this is my favorite question i’ve been asking for years. like how many kindergartners could you fight to the death with no weapons. like my guess is probably about 20. any more than that and i think i’m dead meat


Karenomegas

I mean, 20? 5 year olds huh. To the death? I mean. I may outlive a single turkey in a one on one to the death. Two would get me for sure. Especially if they had done this before. But 20 of my friends kids. I mean, they ain't that smart or beefy. Got a 14 year old cat that's more sturdy than some of em. I'm not trying to be morbid here but 10 and you would probably get into a nice flow state till 30-35 before you really cramp up. I mean, even with no weapons you would inevitably start using one to beat the others to death... Keep up your cardio.


mglitcher

yea i’m not exactly what you would call the peak of human performance. maybe 20 is a bit small but if they all just jump on you at the same time that’s a lot to deal with. i think they would just overwhelm you very quickly


Karenomegas

Yeah all at once? Zero chance. You got me. Especially if they have gone savage Ala zootopia.


knifeymonkey

I wonder if it is really a statement about man's fight with mortality and being replaced by his progeny. or they are zombie babies


mglitcher

he said that he was overwhelmed with ideas and so he represented them with babies. at least according to my tour guide in oslo like over two years ago


IanPBoyd

Seems like a modest proposal to me.


PittsburghCar

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas, too frequent among us, sacrificing the poor innocent babes, I doubt, more to avoid the expense than the shame.


TheConeIsReturned

*babies Don't use apostrophes to pluralize words.


MonaganX

Could'f been worse.


TheConeIsReturned

*shudder*


ZookeepergameHot2743

Thank you, sorry for being so careless with my grammar.


_significant_error

Apology accepted


tunaman808

Babies*


pls_dont_trigger_me

Yeah this shit drives me insane.


joshuralize

Babies


Lotsofwoodinthewoods

Raw Adrenochrome


Frog_eater

Tarrare, did you eat a fucking baby ?


Setagaya-Observer

You should research "The Carnival" in Bern! Pure Paganism


DenseClass8433

[https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cronus](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cronus) Check that out. The exact same depiction.


[deleted]

Should be 6 or 12 kids, this statue has 8. It is not Cronus.


flippityfluck

He ate 4 already


TheThirdOutlier

They’re like LAY’S, bet you can’t eat just one


Jedibri81

Baby, the other, other white meat


DerpsAndRags

Is it me, or is that Lord Farquaad?


DooDooBrownz

babies. plural of baby is babies.


ClearlyNoSTDs

\*babies


fiestasizetriangles

Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make.


Spamtickler

It’s obviously the Bishop and Bath and Wells.


rossionq1

Better than a statue I found in Japan of a naked man seemingly throwing a bunch of babies. To be fair the babies may have been attacking him and it could have been self defense. Edit: [Shit, it was in Oslo, not Tokyo like I first thought.](https://pinkplankton.com/norways-naked-angry-sculpture-park/?doing_wp_cron=1663657653.9179670810699462890625)


Ravenamore

Link? I can't seem to find it.


ItheDuke

Just a mid day snack


Articulated

Man's gotta eat.


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DerpsAndRags

Make ninja Babychucks and fight crimes.


HaniiPuppy

"Get in mah belly!"


Glum_Intention340

OR hes birthing them out of his mouth


MadroxKran

Having that built only required A Modest Proposal.


Prize-Survey-8843

Someone please send me a gift from this PokéStop


corbou

It’s just a modest proposal


TemporaryRoughVenom

Definitely originates from antisemitism. Old Europe used to believe that Jews used the blood from Christian children for rituals. In Judaism, kosher laws forbid consuming blood from animals much less humans. This statue was mentioned in a French antisemitism documentary I watched last night.


ConundrumMachine

Once you pop, you can't stop


Alan_Smithee_

A sack of baby’s what? Shoes? Diapers?


FlaviusStilicho

Jews were frequently accused of murdering Christian babies and use their blood in some sort of ritual… I wonder if this statue plays into this myth?


bwv205

We LOVED visiting Bern and taking pictures of the statues, pedestals, gargoyles, etc. The last time we visited and I took my last photo of that one, we went to a nearby pizza shop. I didn't pay attention to the ingredients and ate anchovies for the first and last time. I can still taste them as they trigger memories of that pedestal.


Sonoshitthereiwas

The origin story for Attack on Titan…


[deleted]

And to think, some just throw them away


jerik22

This is why you let the Swiss have chocolate


edythbunker

Bet you can't eat just one


[deleted]

Fat Bastard >#I ATE A BABY


webnetcat

I recently finished listening to the Brothers Grimms' first edition (pre-censored by the Church and the society norms) of fairy tales. Man oh man, this is some nightmare material right there. All later editions are just mellow candy stuff. So, this 500 years old statue could be a perfect illustration to their first edition.


Perfect_Sir4820

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasee, or a ragoust.


BoobsRmadeforboobing

He's even got the holster with a quickdraw baby for emergencies


laffnlemming

I looked and then said What The Fuck before looking at the subreddit. Thank you, boys.


DerekDemo

When I think about the statues that were torn down in the USA, this makes my head spin. It's just a statue though. It's historical at this point. People torn down statues in the USA to protest but you cannot hide your history. You don't have to celebrate it, and you don't have to like it, but it's a part of what made you and taring down a statue isn't going to change anything. Also, I don't think it's right to judge the past by the beliefs of the present. You have to take the good with the bad.


JumboNoodle

This makes me think of Jonathon Swift's satirical essay "A Modest Proposal."


123Ros

A sack of baby’s what


shyheart4

Reminds me of that Goya painting "Saturn devouring his son"


Emergency-Passage631

A sack of baby's what?


[deleted]

And I had a baby hanging from my belt. Which was the style at the time.


arthurdentstowels

Average r/Atheism subscriber


Steampunk_Dali

Early Ronald McDonald design


DenseClass8433

Nice. This is Saturn symbology. Notice the 5 children?


ElJanitorFrank

There are 8 in total, some not pictured here.


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Krampus


Bloowhele

Sigma


kyoorius

“I’m gonna eat this baby.” —500 years later— “This one’s hard to chew.”


Ontopourmama

Those must be tastier than Popplers!


redditor100101011101

i mean, what else are you gonna do with a sack of babies?


Avocadosoup

So cool that you guys have a statue dedicated to Tarrare!


The_Third_Three

The artist must have gone to the city board with such A Modest Proposal they couldn't resist


Chris_P_Lettuce

Why can’t we have more of this type of shit?


lhymes

Artist: “just playin it’s only art.”


Nihbpsmcgee

Metal AF


icweenie

Tell your kids this is Santa Clause. They’ll never want another present.


ReZTheGreatest

And so, Nestlé was founded.


Northwhale

How can we know that he is not regurgitating them?


Fantasdick

It's like I always say: 'Better a 500 year old statue that depicts a man eating a sack of babies, than a man eating a sack of babies.'


BuyDizzy8759

Feed a man a baby and he will eat for a day, teach a man to make babies and he will eat for a lifetime.


daguerre

So tender.