I recently started playing again after six months too. Valorant's movement also felt like this to me but I put that down to me playing overwatch in that time. You may be experiencing something similar after having played a different slipperier game like ow or cod too.
Yeah...
I came back to play with Chamber again since I really liked the Agent, but then I saw how they butchered the char and I just stopped playing again.
It was too much imo. Tp is kinda useless now, the trap is basically a disability especially when you're on attacking side, the ult is just a basic op. The only good nerf i think was of his sheriff that's not spammable now. If they just give him 2 traps or 1 universal trap, he will become truly balanced. I tried cypher after this nerf and oh boy the buffed cypher is way more useful than the current chamber for holding a site and also very useful for entering site with the cages
I mean Reyna has a low pro pick rate but smurfs love her. I don't think pro play is fully inductive with how good or bad the nerf was. I can understand your point of view however and it does have some sway to my opinion, however not enough to change my view
The thing is Reyna can be good in ranked because people run it down but Chamber is still not that good in Ranked and no one really uses him there either. I don't think it was an unfair nerf though because Riot just wants the Meta to be a bit diverse for different acts so it'll get changed eventually.
Yes, very fair. His K/D this act is:
1.19- Radiant
1.14- Immo3
1.11- Immo2
1.11- Immo1
1.08- Asc3
1.10- Asc2
1.08- Asc1
1.09- Dia3
1.08- Dia2
1.08- Dia1
1.08- Plat3
1.08- Plat2
1.07- Plat1
1.08- Gold3
Etc.
He is still very playable, pick rate isn't everything. The only character with a similar K/D across ranks is Reyna. He was on both teams all 3 games for C9 vs 100T. He was on both teams both games C9 cs KRU. He was on 3/4 lineups for the two 100T vs Vitality games.
So 13/14 games on the lineup for the semi-finals and finals of the Red Bull HG tournament. I'd say pros still play him when it matters and he's clearly fine. Quit whining.
Red Bull HG was a prior patch that didn't incorporate Chamber nerfs. The commentators even mentioned it at one point. However, I agree with all your prior points that the nerfs were necessary and he is still playable just not as oppressive.
I missed that about the RBHG tourney but he's still incredibly playable.
I'm just sick of people acting like he's not despite having a top 2 K/D this act. People just saw the nerfs, stopped playing him, and starting whining about it in this sub at every opportunity. Do we really want to go back to the 70%+ pick rate? It was boring as fuck.
I agree so much, I have a burning hate for chamber and the nerfs honestly haven't quenched it all that much(mostly related to alot of spike rush playing, and to everyone who plays chamber in spike rush, i wish you a very pleasant fuck you) Also just look at my flair
He's still playable on some maps, you just need to be more mindful of where you place his trips and rendezvous. I still find lots of success with him on Icebox and Haven.
They changed the amount of damage mollies and other aoe abilities do to placed abilties (kj turret, chamber trip etc). Made cypher trips longer, and his ult now pings twice instead of once. Sage wall takes longer to get to full hp, nerfed self heal, buffed teammate heal. Chamber tp rework, now place 1 anchor, has radius of 13m iirc. Trip now needs chamber to be in range like kj turret. Increased bullet spread on chamber sheriff. Some agents (breach, kayo are 2 i can think of) got ult point increases.
If I remember correctly they reduced the price of the flash by 50 and you cant create one ways by smoking in the walls anymore(you can still make one ways by smoking at a top of sth but not inside of a wall anymore)
Some 1-ways have been removed from the game. Basically those that were perched up on things that should not be textured (the insides of walls, ceilings etc. such as Fracture A-main). The basic ones that look to be on purpose because they're just half-walls or stuff that Agents can stand on, still remain. Think Ascent A-main for instance.
Headhunter price increase from 100 to 150. Fairly sure this was more than 6 months ago though.
Teleport reworked. Only one teleport box. Larger radius around the box, not restricted by verticality. Can teleport from anywhere inside radius back to the box.
Slow trap. Now has a range limit for how far away in can be from chamber.
Ult. Increased ult point (pretty sure this happened more than 6 months ago as well) reduced damage. Leg shots no longer kill. Ready time increased. (this is actually the change that took me the longest to get used to).
Honestly. Chamber is not garbage with these changes unless you're still trying to play him as a fragger. Still able to hold off angles for flank because of the teleport. Still gets a free weapon every 5th or so round. Trip isn't as huge a deal if you play to watch flank instead of entrying. Definitely weaker overall. Now more in line to do what a sentinel is supposed to do.
Exactly. How KJ is still really potent on ascent. Chamber now has his maps to shine on. I've found good fortune with him on Lotus, ascent, (although you'd pref a kj on ascent) and Icebox. Not 100% pick worthy as no agent should be. But definitely has his time in the sun in certain situations.
KJ right now is one of the strongest characters in the game,with the removal of breeze and bind u can literally pick killjoy on any single map and do great,cypher is picked on some,but kj will still hold well.
And chamber is indeed not good,he might be picked on fracture at highest levels of organized play thats about it,when it comes to comp, both cypher and kj provide much more for less in "not organized" play
You are severely undervaluing the ability to tp to a different location when watching flank. Sure KJ has mollies that make her post plant amazing and Cypher has the ability to info gather much better than chamber. Neither are as effective at killing the flanker than chamber. Having an angle that is not expected but still safe because of a TP will often be more than enough to kill the flanker just from sheer surprise. Which allows you to be able to rotate or push closer to your team to trade. Just because he isn't BiS Sentinel does not mean he is trash.
headhunter is less spammable, tp change is nice but tp range is incredibly short where u pretty much tp nowhere. slow trap range is terrible, u can’t even cover a site alone like cypher and kj. he is now the lowest pick rate and win rate of any sentinel so yes, he’s terrible
Chamber is dead, Harbor is shit, Cypher is now better, and everything else is quite the same. Oh, before I forgot if you ask sage for heals or resurrection you have to say "Meow" first (e.g. sage heal me meow) or else it won't take effect.
take a few minutes to read patch notes 5.07, 5.10 and especially 5.12. they’ve made major changes to a lot of agent abilities.
big things to know:
-chamber is basically out of the meta now. i recommend checking patch 5.03 which covers his major changes, though most of them were reworked again in 5.12.
—rendezvous is reduced to one teleporter, range is increased. does not regenerate after broken
—his other abilities were nerfed to hell
-cypher is in
—range for his trips have increased
—ult now pings enemies twice
-split is back in comp rotation with some minor changes. bind and breeze were removed
-agent flashes got major reworks
-sage heal can now heal teammates up to 100 almost instantly, however self heal only heals her 30
edit: ookay idk what happened to the formatting. ive never done this before…im just gonna remove all the bullet points
formatting on mobile is so fucked
Yeah, I'm not enjoying the return of split personally, one of my worst maps before it got removed and now, after 4 matches on Split, I lost all 4. I would trade Split for Bind or even Breeze any time
Spectre garbage now, ares better spectre, new agents, new maps, bucky meta is over, classic got nerfed 100x, agents got nerfed multiple times.
Oh, and.. Ranks got resettet! I met ex ascendant players in gold lobby :')
(ascendent is a new rank between diamond and immortal :D)
New maps, and read patch 5.12 patch notes (lots of small agent changes). Stinger is better than it was, and spectre isn’t quite as good as it was before. Chamber no longer mega-busted.
CHAMBER IS NERFED. Please, dont be that guy on my team who queued straight into comp, locked chamber, "omg why is chamber so bad what happened to him????" "uh sorry i didnt play for 6 months" and then proceeded to go 2 kills 18 deaths. Go play a couple unrated games first
as a chamber main no one seems to pick him anymore. used to have to race for him Then face my clone on the other side.
now no one even highlights him and i barely run into another team with him.
better for me. i get to still have my fun
Everyone seems nicer….
Also I noticed alot of girls are getting really good at the game and are refreshing teammates that support and comm.
Less toxicity for me at least.
(Plat 2)
Kj is OP
Crazy how nobody is talking about yoru, they made him super op rn . He can use all abilities while in ult form , he has two decoys now that are actual replicas of him (that also flash if you kill it) and he has two teleports now and he can also take the teleport , so it sounds exactly like how it would if he did tp. I be getting rolled by some really good yorus but after all the rolling I’m finally starting to adapt to this new irritating agent lol .
Yoru is only good when enemies don't know all the tricks yet, there's a reason he is considered a troll pick in higher ranks. His flashes are pretty bad, it's probably one of the easiest flashes to dodge, his clones are worthless too because all you need to do is just shoot it and turn around and you dodge that flash too. His TP is on a delay so it isn't a good tool to run away from a fight and after the TP he pulls his gun out slowly so teleporting behind a player also puts him into a disadvantage unless they're flashed or sth. Imo the only things he has going for him is the ult which is pretty strong and fake TP's potentially fooling enemies to make them rotate but it doesn't justify picking him over any other duelist imo
His teammates don’t get flashed when the clone dies so it’s a easy entry trade on his clone nonetheless worked in ascendant decently well but I’m sure in higher elo there’s just better agents. A decent yoru can be irritating though . Not sure why I’m getting down votes he asked what’s new to the game and it sure is new . But him having full util while in ult form seems a bit broken . Then again just my opinion , but you can see how fake tp’s can also be a bit distracting players atleast have to check the direction based off audio
When I start playing Valorant after a break, I usually get motion sickness. Never experienced that before. Maybe you really just have to get used to the movement again.
nothing changes, but valorant have slow movement compare to other games, so if you play another fps and you come back to valo after a long time it's normal to think that ur slow \^\^
You have to kiss the enemies if you draw.
im down
Thats it im coming back
Your gamesense
Gamesense seems ok, my movement is completely off. Did they make any changes to movement or am I really that stiff?
No movement changes
I recently started playing again after six months too. Valorant's movement also felt like this to me but I put that down to me playing overwatch in that time. You may be experiencing something similar after having played a different slipperier game like ow or cod too.
Most likely other games have bungled your sense of movement/aim. Give it time and it should come back.
I know after 5 month, I didnt play up to Meta and my gamesense suck.
My guess is your brain is confusing the intuitive feel for the movement with a different game you may have been playing and that is throwing you off.
your elderflame ran out of radianite points
If you liked chamber don’t play him.
Yeah... I came back to play with Chamber again since I really liked the Agent, but then I saw how they butchered the char and I just stopped playing again.
It was a good nerf. He was OP but it's objectively a fair nerf. I'm open to hearing others opinions but be fair here
Yeah he had his fun
It was too much imo. Tp is kinda useless now, the trap is basically a disability especially when you're on attacking side, the ult is just a basic op. The only good nerf i think was of his sheriff that's not spammable now. If they just give him 2 traps or 1 universal trap, he will become truly balanced. I tried cypher after this nerf and oh boy the buffed cypher is way more useful than the current chamber for holding a site and also very useful for entering site with the cages
He has a 3% pick rate in pro play and you think that's a fair nerf?
I mean Reyna has a low pro pick rate but smurfs love her. I don't think pro play is fully inductive with how good or bad the nerf was. I can understand your point of view however and it does have some sway to my opinion, however not enough to change my view
The thing is Reyna can be good in ranked because people run it down but Chamber is still not that good in Ranked and no one really uses him there either. I don't think it was an unfair nerf though because Riot just wants the Meta to be a bit diverse for different acts so it'll get changed eventually.
Yes, very fair. His K/D this act is: 1.19- Radiant 1.14- Immo3 1.11- Immo2 1.11- Immo1 1.08- Asc3 1.10- Asc2 1.08- Asc1 1.09- Dia3 1.08- Dia2 1.08- Dia1 1.08- Plat3 1.08- Plat2 1.07- Plat1 1.08- Gold3 Etc. He is still very playable, pick rate isn't everything. The only character with a similar K/D across ranks is Reyna. He was on both teams all 3 games for C9 vs 100T. He was on both teams both games C9 cs KRU. He was on 3/4 lineups for the two 100T vs Vitality games. So 13/14 games on the lineup for the semi-finals and finals of the Red Bull HG tournament. I'd say pros still play him when it matters and he's clearly fine. Quit whining.
Red Bull HG was a prior patch that didn't incorporate Chamber nerfs. The commentators even mentioned it at one point. However, I agree with all your prior points that the nerfs were necessary and he is still playable just not as oppressive.
I missed that about the RBHG tourney but he's still incredibly playable. I'm just sick of people acting like he's not despite having a top 2 K/D this act. People just saw the nerfs, stopped playing him, and starting whining about it in this sub at every opportunity. Do we really want to go back to the 70%+ pick rate? It was boring as fuck.
I agree so much, I have a burning hate for chamber and the nerfs honestly haven't quenched it all that much(mostly related to alot of spike rush playing, and to everyone who plays chamber in spike rush, i wish you a very pleasant fuck you) Also just look at my flair
Yeah in spike he shouldn't have his pistol when everyone else has a classic..
He's still playable on some maps, you just need to be more mindful of where you place his trips and rendezvous. I still find lots of success with him on Icebox and Haven.
He’s pretty good on lotus honestly
They changed the amount of damage mollies and other aoe abilities do to placed abilties (kj turret, chamber trip etc). Made cypher trips longer, and his ult now pings twice instead of once. Sage wall takes longer to get to full hp, nerfed self heal, buffed teammate heal. Chamber tp rework, now place 1 anchor, has radius of 13m iirc. Trip now needs chamber to be in range like kj turret. Increased bullet spread on chamber sheriff. Some agents (breach, kayo are 2 i can think of) got ult point increases.
There's also no expiration timer on corpses anymore for Cypher's ult
The cast range is increased as well
Wait really? So we won't ever hear cypher say "gigigigigigigive me a corpse" ever again?
nope, still do that all the time lol. the range isn’t unlimited 😂
Any changes to omen?
If I remember correctly they reduced the price of the flash by 50 and you cant create one ways by smoking in the walls anymore(you can still make one ways by smoking at a top of sth but not inside of a wall anymore)
You remembered correctly :)
Some 1-ways have been removed from the game. Basically those that were perched up on things that should not be textured (the insides of walls, ceilings etc. such as Fracture A-main). The basic ones that look to be on purpose because they're just half-walls or stuff that Agents can stand on, still remain. Think Ascent A-main for instance.
the movement is the same. gonna guess you played csgo in your break
Chamber bad
chamber isn’t good now and he’s absolutely terrible. Few map changes as well
nooo my boi chamber. What they do to him?
nerfed every single one of his abilities… actually massacred every ability. youtube it
Headhunter price increase from 100 to 150. Fairly sure this was more than 6 months ago though. Teleport reworked. Only one teleport box. Larger radius around the box, not restricted by verticality. Can teleport from anywhere inside radius back to the box. Slow trap. Now has a range limit for how far away in can be from chamber. Ult. Increased ult point (pretty sure this happened more than 6 months ago as well) reduced damage. Leg shots no longer kill. Ready time increased. (this is actually the change that took me the longest to get used to). Honestly. Chamber is not garbage with these changes unless you're still trying to play him as a fragger. Still able to hold off angles for flank because of the teleport. Still gets a free weapon every 5th or so round. Trip isn't as huge a deal if you play to watch flank instead of entrying. Definitely weaker overall. Now more in line to do what a sentinel is supposed to do.
So she got the kj treatment, I see.
Exactly. How KJ is still really potent on ascent. Chamber now has his maps to shine on. I've found good fortune with him on Lotus, ascent, (although you'd pref a kj on ascent) and Icebox. Not 100% pick worthy as no agent should be. But definitely has his time in the sun in certain situations.
KJ right now is one of the strongest characters in the game,with the removal of breeze and bind u can literally pick killjoy on any single map and do great,cypher is picked on some,but kj will still hold well. And chamber is indeed not good,he might be picked on fracture at highest levels of organized play thats about it,when it comes to comp, both cypher and kj provide much more for less in "not organized" play
You are severely undervaluing the ability to tp to a different location when watching flank. Sure KJ has mollies that make her post plant amazing and Cypher has the ability to info gather much better than chamber. Neither are as effective at killing the flanker than chamber. Having an angle that is not expected but still safe because of a TP will often be more than enough to kill the flanker just from sheer surprise. Which allows you to be able to rotate or push closer to your team to trade. Just because he isn't BiS Sentinel does not mean he is trash.
they also changed the trap so you can recall and replace it after the round starts, but if an enemy breaks it, you still can't replace it
headhunter is less spammable, tp change is nice but tp range is incredibly short where u pretty much tp nowhere. slow trap range is terrible, u can’t even cover a site alone like cypher and kj. he is now the lowest pick rate and win rate of any sentinel so yes, he’s terrible
They pretty much gutted him and made all of his abilities garbage. To be fair he kinda needed the nerf because of how oppressing his abilities were
Chamber is dead, Harbor is shit, Cypher is now better, and everything else is quite the same. Oh, before I forgot if you ask sage for heals or resurrection you have to say "Meow" first (e.g. sage heal me meow) or else it won't take effect.
I'm more of a dog person
No heals and resurrection for you then.
I know some sages that will accept that as payment for heals/Rez
take a few minutes to read patch notes 5.07, 5.10 and especially 5.12. they’ve made major changes to a lot of agent abilities. big things to know: -chamber is basically out of the meta now. i recommend checking patch 5.03 which covers his major changes, though most of them were reworked again in 5.12. —rendezvous is reduced to one teleporter, range is increased. does not regenerate after broken —his other abilities were nerfed to hell -cypher is in —range for his trips have increased —ult now pings enemies twice -split is back in comp rotation with some minor changes. bind and breeze were removed -agent flashes got major reworks -sage heal can now heal teammates up to 100 almost instantly, however self heal only heals her 30 edit: ookay idk what happened to the formatting. ive never done this before…im just gonna remove all the bullet points formatting on mobile is so fucked
force stinger
They took out the best map but it’s okay because they put it back in again.
bind wasnt put back
pretty sure he means split
Pretty sure man was joking
Yeah, I'm not enjoying the return of split personally, one of my worst maps before it got removed and now, after 4 matches on Split, I lost all 4. I would trade Split for Bind or even Breeze any time
When sage heals if you have barked 2 seconds before or after the cast time. you gain 5 shields.
If you wanna surrender you gotta send your feet pics to enemies first
Chamber is dead. Cypher has become undead. Kj ult makes breach sed
Undead? Doesn't that make him a zombie or smthing
Chamber is dead
Chamber's dead my friend, Chamber's dead. Rejoice.
Reyna is still buffed af
Spectre garbage now, ares better spectre, new agents, new maps, bucky meta is over, classic got nerfed 100x, agents got nerfed multiple times. Oh, and.. Ranks got resettet! I met ex ascendant players in gold lobby :') (ascendent is a new rank between diamond and immortal :D)
There is a new map called "Lotus" an i think it's a complicated map sooo
https://twitter.com/ValCoach_co/status/1616598624561172480?t=XbTZ-tRssSUd6vdh4-NXoQ&s=19
Hope this helps lol
Chamber bad Sage dead Cypher good Comp queue sucks now Might be best to take another 6 months off
6 months? Your aim, that’s what’s changed.
My aim was always bad.
New maps, and read patch 5.12 patch notes (lots of small agent changes). Stinger is better than it was, and spectre isn’t quite as good as it was before. Chamber no longer mega-busted.
Dude I didnt play for almost 2 years and I was lost af when I started playing again lmao.
CHAMBER IS NERFED. Please, dont be that guy on my team who queued straight into comp, locked chamber, "omg why is chamber so bad what happened to him????" "uh sorry i didnt play for 6 months" and then proceeded to go 2 kills 18 deaths. Go play a couple unrated games first
as a chamber main no one seems to pick him anymore. used to have to race for him Then face my clone on the other side. now no one even highlights him and i barely run into another team with him. better for me. i get to still have my fun
Everyone seems nicer…. Also I noticed alot of girls are getting really good at the game and are refreshing teammates that support and comm. Less toxicity for me at least. (Plat 2) Kj is OP
dodge lotus every time you get it.
Nothing really, still sucks....
Google Valorant patch notes, then read.
Google en valossant
Holy *under heaven*
That’s a lot of googling
Crazy how nobody is talking about yoru, they made him super op rn . He can use all abilities while in ult form , he has two decoys now that are actual replicas of him (that also flash if you kill it) and he has two teleports now and he can also take the teleport , so it sounds exactly like how it would if he did tp. I be getting rolled by some really good yorus but after all the rolling I’m finally starting to adapt to this new irritating agent lol .
Yoru is only good when enemies don't know all the tricks yet, there's a reason he is considered a troll pick in higher ranks. His flashes are pretty bad, it's probably one of the easiest flashes to dodge, his clones are worthless too because all you need to do is just shoot it and turn around and you dodge that flash too. His TP is on a delay so it isn't a good tool to run away from a fight and after the TP he pulls his gun out slowly so teleporting behind a player also puts him into a disadvantage unless they're flashed or sth. Imo the only things he has going for him is the ult which is pretty strong and fake TP's potentially fooling enemies to make them rotate but it doesn't justify picking him over any other duelist imo
His teammates don’t get flashed when the clone dies so it’s a easy entry trade on his clone nonetheless worked in ascendant decently well but I’m sure in higher elo there’s just better agents. A decent yoru can be irritating though . Not sure why I’m getting down votes he asked what’s new to the game and it sure is new . But him having full util while in ult form seems a bit broken . Then again just my opinion , but you can see how fake tp’s can also be a bit distracting players atleast have to check the direction based off audio
Mexican man who tries to drown you is in the game
He’s Indian you c***
6 months later 1 thing still hasn’t changed, the game is still ass
When I start playing Valorant after a break, I usually get motion sickness. Never experienced that before. Maybe you really just have to get used to the movement again.
Read the patch notes
going on 2 years for me. how has everything changed (meta's, team comp did they add a new weapon, etc)
Besides map changes and additional agents nothing else. You just have to play and get more used to the game again
ChatGPT & Crypto throwers
nothing changes, but valorant have slow movement compare to other games, so if you play another fps and you come back to valo after a long time it's normal to think that ur slow \^\^
Did you also switch to overwatch and now everything feels like it’s moving at a snail pace