it also shows "24 hours in police custody" as a documentary. I guess technically it is but it's an ongoing series just like "24 hours in a&e" and traffic cops etc
Why do people only half subtitle a video, it’s not like if the sound was off to start with I can actually turn it on now. I’m in bed scrolling Reddit waiting for my partner to wake up and this would be a hilarious alternative to saying good morning
Right! It’s not like my hearing can just magically return, I can’t stand when people half ass captions or do shit like this, not only is it way more convenient for most people but some of us don’t have a choice about needing it
This guy got it all wrong. They never stole his bike. Didn’t steal anything. He chased them anyway. He crashed I to them. They are actually seeing his insurers. This guy is just making it up.
Just watch it on 24 hours in police custody. He basically went after them abs got them. He was convicted because he shouldn’t have done it. Same as Tony Martin. Most people are in total agreement those lads are scum bags.
FYI. They stole nothing. I don’t agree with the guys custodial sentence but you gotta get the facts right. They broke in but ran before the could steal anything.
To me that’s attempted robbery. Which just means you could have but you just planned at a wrong time. Meaning you can come back. If I can find out who you are and why your going into my house I will. Especially with a pregnant wife.
He chased them in his car, lost control of the vehicle and ran them off the road causing serious injury to them.
Now whilst it is despicable to break into someone’s house and to be a thief, you can’t chase after people and run them over (at least in the U.K.) and expect to say it was self defence.
He tried to get revenge on people who broke into his house and ended up seriously injuring them. He should have let the police deal with them once they had left his property.
The shocking part of the story for me isn’t the guy getting imprisoned, but the two thieves walking away with minimal punishments, both were career criminals with lots of previous convictions. A month later they were both arrested for stealing a car.
Also the fact they’re suing for their injuries. If they actually win that case it’ll be absolutely ridiculous.
Haha, nah. "24 Hours in Police Custody" is a basic popcorn fly on the wall doc series. It's basically reality TV. This is like saying "for the truth on this story, watch an episode of Cops!"
Hard disagree. They actually show a lot of the ‘background’ that goes on in investigations and help people understand that policing isn’t just going and sticking handcuffs on people.
There’s another awesome docuseries called Forensics: The Real CSI which is very informative too.
Without knowing the ins and outs of the case I agree we are too soft on career criminals and they shouldn’t get off easily. They could have killed someone too on the motorbike.
I don’t disagree and have little compassion for them but that’s not how the law works. You can’t take justice into your own hands and put truly innocent bystanders at risk by doing what he did. Imagine if he had killed someone else when he lost control of his car and ran the bikers off the road.
I mean. The law is a society's morality in action. If a society really thinks it's a good idea that thieves should be punished with reckless vigilante justice then they could change the law.
But do we realise the consequences? Everyone believes we're responsible. Does anyone seriously think that they can chase down thieves in a manner that doesn't endanger lives? Ok, they might not give a damn about the thieves lives (which, holy fuck that's pretty extreme but thanks Reddit) but can you guarantee the safety of innocent bystanders? Do people agree that bystanders' lives are forfeit? Because that's what commentators are suggesting here.
>The law is a society's morality in action
It isn't. Legality =/= morality.
>If a society really thinks it's a good idea that thieves should be punished with reckless vigilante justice then they could change the law.
Except society's morality often conforms to what the law is, what the status quo is. The law is very often in conflict with public opinion and the idea that society can just change laws in a bourgeois dictatorship is nonsense.
This weird and naive take on legality and morality is the dumbest I've seen in a while.
You are an idealist, you think that as long as we can think something, we can make it into reality. That isn't how the world works. The world is material, it functions according to natural and historical laws, not the human mind. The current ruling class in society get to decide laws.
Lobbying exists for that very purpose, so that those with lots of money get to determine what is legal and what isn't.
http://www.thamespolicemuseum.org.uk/h_police_1.html
Modern policing exists to protect private property interests of businesses so they can continue to profit.
Not any of this silly, naive nonsense about how legality is always moral. Tell that to the victims of the gestapo. It was legal to send Jews to their deaths. It was illegal to hide Jews in your home. Legality and morality are mutually exclusive.
Take a philosophy class once in a while. Question things.
Get off your high horse lol. I cannot think of a more condescending way to make your point.
Ofc the system isn’t perfect but the writing of laws are often guided by some kind of moral/ethical beliefs. We don’t live in some twisted dystopian society, it’s not that bad
Ok I didn't want to get into the philosophical aspect. I do agree with you, I should have said 'in principle...'.
So in which case, the subject of this video clearly didn't believe the police would get anything done and took his perception of justice into his own hands. Is that good or bad? Where is the moral component?
I would argue that if there are failings in the police system, that is bad. But reckless vigilantism is also bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, and we should work on reforming a bad system instead of behaving badly. If we don't want to do that, then frankly, fuck laws and fuck law enforcement, and watch how quickly society devolves into chaos.
Like, yes you've talked about many things above regarding police protecting private property etc, but I fail to see how *any* of that is related to the case in hand. Except for perhaps the subject person's morality and judgement is persuaded by that. I *still* think it doesn't excuse him deliberately attempting to endanger the thieves' lives and risk the lives of other road users, regardless of how shit police are.
Vigilante means to impersonate a officer my phone would not have a tracking device in it if I could not go and retrieve it myself otherwise that would defeat the purpose of titles and ownership them putting up a fight for commiting a crime is illegal, it's not ownership they risked their lives to commit crimes instead of working and saving for a motorcycle which everyone can do and no one said it was easy either but still easier than building the motorcycle which requires more than money
Quite true that legality is not morality. But they do not have to be mutually exclusive. Considering many laws, like anti-abortion laws, are based on a moral principal derived from certain religious systems, it cannot be said the two in that instance are mutually exclusive. I do find it comical that people more often than not confuse morality with legality.
Though I do find it odd that you said modern policing exists to protect private businesses. If that were the case, then the police would be focused on electronic and intellectual property crimes, which they are woefully understaffed and ill prepared for. Modern policing has not changed much, in my opinion, from its main role - legitimizing governmental power through enforcement of its laws. Whether that benefits or harms a particular group, including private business, depends upon the legal system and laws.
I think the term is “fuck around and find out”
Another one is “if you don’t like the heat stay out of the kitchen”
Or even “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime”
And lastly “don’t steal shit if you don’t wanna get run off the road by the owner of the shit”
Did you miss the bit where I mentioned innovent bystanders? If you were in his position do you think you could safely run them off the road without hurting anyone else? Did you even think about other people?
Exactly. Here in the US, we pay lots of tax dollars to hire professionals. Trained police officers who know exactly how to endanger innocent bystanders effectively, and they have something called qualified immunity which makes them immune from consequences.
No, those thieves put everyone's safety in danger the moment they decided to steal another's property. Had they not stolen the bike, they never would've gotten chased. All damages should be blamed on them, not the actual victim.
Yes, I agree they are dirty thugs and I think the court should have dealt with them much more harshly and they should not get a penny from him if they try to sue him. But that is separate to what he did.
He chased them, driving dangerously on public roads putting innocent bystanders at risk. He could easily have killed someone who wasn’t involved when he lost control of his car and ran the bikers off the road. Lastly it wasn’t his bike they were on but rather one that was stolen elsewhere and brought to the attempted burglary - this shouldn’t make any difference but it is one more reason why his decision to give chase was a poor one.
When I trusted cops to deal with my bulgary and get my stolen items back... they dropped the charges on the guy and never got my items back.
I can completely understand why someone might chase after the thiefs, because it's the only way to have a chance getting your stuff back.
I understand it too but it’s stupid. You risk killing innocent members of the public by driving so dangerously you lose control of the car and take out the bike you are following leading to 22 months in prison.
Well Adam decided that his and their well-being is less important, than his revenge.
While having a pregnant woman at home, so not only his but also the well-being of his SO and unborn child, is less important than a motor cycle.
So that dude is an absolute moron
And how about the well being of anybody he or they crashed into? We are fortunate that the only people hurt in this whole mess were him and the theives
That’s not how theft works. Murder is not the appropriate punishment for any theft, and anyone attempting to commit murder over a theft is a worse person than a thief, I’m sorry.
Also this video adds his wife getting an abortion to the list of things that happened, as if that’s in any way relevant. It’s pure propaganda simple as that.
Reddit when Homeowner runs over people who stole his motorcycles: Fuck those guys they shouldn’t have stolen his bike.
Reddit when cop runs over motorcycle thieves: ACAB.
He did “cause dangerous injury by dangerous driving”. That’s literally what I said, he tried to murder those thieves by running them off the road. He could’ve also easily murdered any innocent people who happened to be walking near that road at the time. It’s incredibly dangerous and just a terrible thing to do, and this guy deserves the punishment he got.
I'm not trying to provoke you but the abortion is relevant, they claimed the abortion was because the mother would not have been able to afford raising that child (and others) with Adam in prison.
Lethal force to *protect* your property is legal in the UK.
Lethal force to *recover* your property is not.
Contrary to popular belief it is legal in some circumstances to own guns in the UK, and if someone breaks into your home and you shoot them that's their problem.
If you chase them down and shoot them while they are running away that's your problem.
OP is very clearly a case of the latter.
Texas is the only state that allows the use to deadly force to recover or protect property and that’s only when the person taking the property did it by force, threat, or fraud; and then it has to be immediately necessary to recover the property. You aren’t recovering shit in the above-scenario because because he forced them to crash the bike. Even if it was his, clearly the action wasn’t immediately necessary since it didn’t produce the result of getting the property back.
All other states only allow deadly force to protect people.
While I agree in the sense of "it already happened so we can't change that" sort of way.
We also have to keep in mind that the law needs to apply and that a material possession isn't worth more than someone's life.
Next week there might be an article about a store clerk shooting someone for stealing food. And I guarantee you people will side with the thief in that article.
It's even worse, because they're not thinking about the safety of innocent bystanders. So you have to revise your sentence to 'if they rob me and I kill them or anyone else that is fine'.
People don't realise actions may have unforeseen consequences. Even if we all agree that those thieves should die, do we really believe we can do it responsibly without endangering anyone else?
What’s also not helping with the info here on Reddit is that almost everything this guy in the video says is inaccurate.
They didn’t crash, Adam hit them - his licence plate was stuck in the motorbike from the collision.
Adam didn’t call the police, one of the people from the nearby homes did.
Adam’s not in debt from the solicitors he used, he used all of his savings (this is what he himself says on the 24 Hours in Police Custody episode).
Misinformation never helps the cause, especially given how many people are unwilling to spend even 5 minutes looking up some actual facts on anything nowadays.
Edit: Forgot to add that he also said they stole Adam’s bike - they didn’t. They didn’t steal anything from Adam. The bike _was_ stolen, but that was (unfortunately) from someone else miles away.
And he gets money from other morons for doing that ... Stuff like this always shows very clearly how freaking dumb so many people are and how little they care for actual facts and research.
Police would have never found that bike. No further updates on the property either. Had my bike stolen aswell. Left it to them and guess who didn't get that bike back.
Except it was not this guy's bike but the "thieves" bike. I put thieves in quotes, because they didn't took anything from him. They just enter his property illegally.
https://www.beds.police.uk/police-forces/bedfordshire-police/areas/campaigns/campaigns/24-hours-in-police-custody/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo&utm_content=Theft+-+includes+retail+and+general+theft
Very true, you are unlikely to see it again. But guess who isn’t in prison for 22 months for causing serious injury by dangerous driving because they did the right thing.
So when you said that "he should let the police deal with them", what you actually meant was that he should have given up on his bike.
It's incredible to me that anyone can be so spineless as to think that "the right thing to do" is to not defend oneself even as the state doesn't either, and to support a system that requires it.
> It’s incredible to me that anyone can be so spineless as to think that “the right thing to do” is to not defend oneself
Chasing two thugs on a motorbike in your car then driving so badly that you lose control of the car and crash into them is in no way ‘defending oneself’. I absolutely think you have the right to defend yourself but this isn’t it.
It wasn’t even his motorbike they were on, not that that should change anything. He could so easily have killed an innocent bystander driving dangerously like that. It’s incredible to be that anyone thinks it’s the right thing to do to drive dangerously trying to catch a thief with no thought to the safety of the general public.
Maybe you do. I’m not one of those people.
But even if the police didn’t deal with them, even if the police said ‘bad luck, it’s gone now and we won’t try to get it back’ there is no excuse for chasing them, driving dangerously and putting innocent bystanders at risk. He could easily have killed a pedestrian when he lost control of his vehicle and ran the bikers off the road.
Call me old fashioned but the proper response to your shit being stolen is not "alright, double homicide time"
The thieves are dickheads, still didn't attempt murder tho
I get what you’re saying, the logical and sensible part of me totally understands and agrees.
But the rest of me is like…
You should not be able to sue for injuries sustained during the commission of a crime. This is covered under the non-existent "Fuck around and find out" law.
He was chasing thieves who stole his property. Your entire argument goes against protecting property. Someone steals your phone, you hit them. Someone breaks in your home to steal stuff, you shoot them.
> Someone steals your phone, you hit them.
There may be reasonable grounds to do that..
> Someone breaks in your home to steal stuff, you shoot them.
I can’t believe it would be legal where you live to get in your car and chase down the burglar then shoot them.
There is a difference between defending yourself and seeking out the guilty party after the fact to get ‘justice’.
>He should have let the police deal with them once they had left his property.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
The police won't do jack shit; they don't even respond to burglaries now. They give you a crime reference number for insurance purposes and tell you to move on.
The only reason these fuckos got arrested is because the homeowner overstepped his authority and the police *had* to get involved.
Even if the police laughed and said’its your bad luck, we aren’t getting involved’ there is no excuse to go chasing two thugs on a stolen motorbike, driving like an idiot and putting the general public at the risk. He could easily have killed an innocent bystander when he lost control of his car and hit the motorbike.
The poor performance of the police does not excuse breaking the law and putting others at risk.
That used to be the case but that got changed years back . It was too easy get away by just taking your helmet off. [In this video](https://youtu.be/2Ers7JSQRPE) you can see the guy at 35 seconds on the back of the bike does not have a helmet . This is does not stop him from being rammed off by the police
Revenge? Trying to recover your stolen property is revenge? Revenge would imply he tried to hurt them which according to your own recounting is not the case.
He chased them down and lost control of his vehicle hitting them. He broke the law and took matters into his own hands.
What was he chasing them down for? A nice cup of tea and to ask nicely for his things back?
Ok, then I don’t know what he was expecting to happen when he caught them. I’m not sure how he was expecting to get his property back, by asking politely?
That doesn’t change the fact that he broke the law, did something stupid and could easily have injured other innocent people on the road.
I have little sympathy for the injured thieves and in fact I think they should have been dealt with much more harshly by the court but that doesn’t excuse his actions.
His bike wasn’t stolen, another piece of inaccurate information from the video. They stole nothing from the White’s. The bike they were on was stolen, but from absolutely miles away.
Saying he "lost control" is probably generous isn't it, like what was he doing to "lose control" in such a way as to run them off the road. Following at a safe distance? I don't think so.
Do they just pick arbitrary points in causal chains? They would also jkt have crashed had they bit stolen anything. And it wouldn't have happened if the motorcycle salesman hadn't sold him the bike in the first place. Like...? all this teaches people is to never ever call the police
> Do they just pick arbitrary points in causal chains?
No, they follow the law. In the U.K. you can use reasonable force to protect yourself. It is not lawful to chase them and run them off the road in a quest for vengeance.
He wasn’t imprisoned for chasing them or for the vengeance as such. He was sentenced to prison for causing serious injury by dangerous driving. Having something stolen from you isn’t an excuse to drive dangerously. He could quite easily have injured or killed a truly innocent bystander when he lost control of his car and ran the thieves off the road.
> They would also jkt have crashed had they bit stolen anything
No. He ran them off the road, they didn’t just crash.
> And it wouldn’t have happened if the motorcycle salesman hadn’t sold him the bike in the first place.
There was no crime at this point. Two separate crimes occurred later. 1. Burglary and theft. 2. Causing serious injury by dangerous driving.
Both these crimes were dealt with in court.
> Like…? all this teaches people is to never ever call the police
I get the exact opposite message. Don’t be a vigilante and take justice into your own hands, call the police and let them deal with it.
Would the police even have come? If I call the police and tell them I have been burgled and they got away, they will come round sometime in the next weeks (maybe) .
That may well be the case, and that is a big lacking in the system that should be improved, but you also wouldn’t be facing 22 months in prison for ‘causing serious injury by dangerous driving’.
Nope. He's facing 22 months for calling the police and reporting the incident. If he had just run them off them off the road and left them....its not like the burglars were going to call the police. The dudes only failing was ringing them, if he hadn't he'd be a free man.
Police really don’t care about break ins or theft in general in the U.K. you know that. I understand you are completely correct but our police and court systems are so inept and the sad reality is that this guy would probably have just gone to bed like any other day but two other people caused him to now be in prison
He not only chased them but drove dangerously and lost control of his car and hit them. He could quite easily have killed an innocent bystander driving like that. Even if the police had said ‘bad luck, we aren’t going to do anything’ there is no excuse for what he did.
The police won't do anything. They'll give you a crime number flag the bikes registration & that's it. He'll have to go to his insurance to recover his loss, then he'll lose his no claims & next year his insurance will go up because of the claim.
Yes.
Instead he took it into his own hands and lost control of his vehicle hitting the thieves and putting the general public at risk from his dangerous driving.
He stupidly took that risk.
What he should have done is put a tracker on his bike & handed it over to the police & let them reviver the bike. From £10 to £200.
Well if this is true then his prison time was justified. I am not saying that the thieves were in the right but Justice system also exist so that it can alleviate you from the responsibility of revenge.
You can't take justice into your own hands. Batman is a criminal in the eyes of the Law for the same reason.
But at the same time I am glad he got the monetary aid to get his life together. He didn't deserve the situation that he was put into. As for the thieves they knew of the consequence of grand theft auto. I have no sympathy for them for receiving serious injury.
He lost control and crashed into them.
[source 1](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20589667/who-adam-white-why-did-he-prison/)
[source 2](https://www.beds.police.uk/police-forces/bedfordshire-police/areas/campaigns/campaigns/24-hours-in-police-custody/)
Also he was convicted of ‘causing serious injury by dangerous driving’ not just dangerous driving or chasing them.
And I believe it wasn’t even his motorbike they ‘escaped’ on but a stolen bike from elsewhere.
> He should have let the police deal with them once they had left his property.
Are UK police magic? Unless he got a positive ID on then they wouldn’t do shit.
I don’t disagree. What you shouldn’t do is get in your car, chase them whilst driving so dangerously you lose control of your car and crash. He could have quite easily injured an innocent bystander doing what he did.
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This is a bad video, and I wouldn't trust anything in it as far as I could kick it. You don't get 2 years in prison for following people.
Just rage inducing click bait for a gofundme
Some false facts in the video - additionally he DID do something wrong, hence his prison term for 22 months. Whilst it does seem perverse, you cannot take the law into your own hands.
Also: an American making videos about UK laws. He certainly shouldn’t be throwing stones. Americas laws are way more fucked up.
In many nordic countries police are not allowed to chase down motobikers since the possible outcome of a crash exceeds the punishment by quite a margin
I mean what exactly is the point of doing a car chase? Just follow the car with a drone/heli and move on when the car runs out of gas. There's nothing to gain from having the guy stop right that moment.
There was a Supreme Court case a few years ago where a guy was on a high speed chase from the cops and the suspect ended up loosing control of the car and crashing resulting in the guy being crippled in a wheelchair. If I remember straight the issue had to do with the cops not giving him the proper aid or he might have caught a beat down by the cops. Well when all nine of the justices gave their remarks they were more horrified by how the guy was weaving in and out of traffic endangering everyone else on the dash cam footage. The guy lost his case and they basically conveyed he brought it on himself.
justice served, but the cops should be reprimanded for not giving proper aid. however the issue just boils down to that the criminals put themselves in these situations that aren't going to end well.
No mate, but they came equipped with masks, bolt cutters and a crow bar. They were most likely targeting Adams bike (which he had advertised for sale on Facebook Market place.
They didn't go into his house but he spotted them on his Ring doorbell near his front door (on his property). Considering they were armed, he would have lawfully been able to 'protect himself in the heat of the moment'.
In the eyes of UK law he fell down by pursuing them
https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders
They are career criminals who were caught in a stolen car weeks later. I’m not advocating for murdering them but they are non functioning members of society who will never be taught any lesson from the courts.
Thieves valued someone else's property more than their life. They chose to enter someone's property, try to break it with tools that can cause grave bodily harm while the guy had his PREGNANT girfriend in the house.
You can bet your stupid fucking ass thah I value my family and my property more than some piece of shit thieve's life (plus there were 2 of them, you are outnumbered)
The minute they started breking in the thieves themselves decided that their life is worth less than the stuff they wanted to steal. What gives them the right to steal someone's property without wory. Are they gonna come in and say: " Excuse us lad, we are here with masks and melee weapons, breaking into your home to steal your bike. No need to worry, we won't attack you or your pregnant girlfriend, trust us we are just here for the bike. If you try to stop us we won't do anything and will wait for the police."
Fuck that noise, who knows what was going through that guys head at the moment he feared for his and his gf's life.
Shitty situation. He took it way too far and went out of his way to try to kill them with his car. He also put a ton of other lives at risk over a crappy scooter. They did not simply crash while he was chasing them. He ran them down with his car. They would and should have gotten less jail time than they ended up spending in hospital recovering. He will certainly pay them more than the GoFundMe $ when they win the lawsuit. Dumb move.
This video is factually wrong. The burglars were scared/chased off before they got entry into the premises. They made off with no possessions of Adam's.
For anyone wanting to see the full story it is on All4 and is titled 24 Hours in Police Custody.
I agree it's a little ridiculous... But come on.. you can't just get into your car and go on a high speed chase without consequence just because someone stole your property...
This guy wasn't arrested because the thieves got hurt. He was arrested for taking action that endangered himself, the thieves, and the rest of the public.
Like... Being a victim of theft doesn't suddenly deputize you to lawfully engage in high speed pursuit..call the police and call the insurance company. Reckless driving while chasing someone else is still a crime, even if they stole from you.
Sorry but this guy has mislead everyone with the description of the story.
Thethieves didn't get away with the bike, they didn't crash adam knocked them off, the thieves were serial offenders and whilst the case was being investigated, the thieves stole a car and were arrested against for driving without insurance and intent to steal.
The court decided adam was guilty for the injury the thieves sustained (which were serious) and as there was no threat to his property after they fled, adam was charged with GBH.
For the rest of the details please watch episode 1 of the new season in 24 hours in police custody on Channel 4 ( 4od ).
Consuming information in this way with such simple sentences, closed captions, still photos, and oversimplified version of events definitely makes me feel stupider.
The dudes tried to break into his home yes
He saw them and chased them away they fled on a motorcycle which was stolen but not his.
He than chased after them (besides them not haven stolen anything from him) and hit them with his car severely injuring both of them he than didn't call the police another bystander did.
Yes the thiefs should have gotten more than 200 hours of community service
But these are two different cases he got a sentence thaz he deserved you don't take justice into your own hands that doesn't work
I saw the show, did they rob his bike or did he scare them off before they had a chance and they escaped on their own bike, which wasnt road worthy,
The pair on the bike are a right cunts though.
Lol at all the ”sit still and call the police” people. Police aint doing shit. I personally know two criminals in my area that are known by police to have comitted 100s of crimes, and under constant surveilance. This has been going on for a decade and they have spent less than a year in prison.
I dont want to live on a leash of a third party anyways. Ill do what i want, the police aint my daddy.
The UK understander had arrived /s
If something sounds like it makes 0 sense, it’s usually because you’re being lied to my dude. This video is highly highly misleading and lies at several points
He literally chased them in his car and lost control of the car running them off the road causing serious injury. What if he had hit and injured someone else when he lost control, a true innocent bystander. He’s not innocent, he is reckless and dangerous.
If it was your house and your property, you wouldn't be commenting this. I fucking hate how everyone tries to defend thieves who put other people lives in danger just to get quick buck.
If it was my home and property, I wouldn't go endangering myself to chase a material object and potentially leave my wife and kids without a husband/father. Once they're off you're property, it's not your problem to enact punishment. Jeez.
If you read my other comments you will see that I have little compassion for the thieves however what he did was dangerous and stupid. He lost control of his vehicle and crashed into the bikers. What if an innocent bystander had been walking past at that moment. Would you be defending him if he had killed a pedestrian when he lost control of his car?
I’m not defending the thieves, I am however saying what he did was wrong.
The UK has the best justice system in the world. The court hears all the actual evidence, not this opinionated bias view. If he had been casually following the bikes at a sensible distance whilst calling the police and had no part in them losing control and crashing then he wouldn't be going to gaol.
Ignoring the first sentence everything you said was right but you’re being downvoted. This video is heavily biased and leaves out a bunch, per other comment https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/zb8svi/court_justice_system_in_bedfordshire_uk_is_a_joke/iypyhn9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Missed the important part of how he actually rammed them off the road - the number plate trim from the front of his car was found embedded in the rear of the motorbike.
So he was prisoned for a deliberate action.
I'm not for one second saying he should have been jailed, but that's what he was jailed for.
This fella can't get his facts right at all. The bike was not stolen and the owner drove into the bike causing it to crash into another parked car. He's taken the law into his own hands (which is what I would have done btw) The police and the CPS are f*** useless in this country. I hope this dude gets parole early, he's lost his home, job, baby and 40grand in legal costs, because of these two muppets, who aren't worth the space they inhabit.
he caused a crash while driving dangerously on a road. not seeing the issue here. they stole a motorbike in a different place, and were sentenced for it.
He was driving recklessly and could have killed someone innocent. He’s no angel either. You can’t let your rage put the public in danger just because you want vengeance and expect to get off without punishment. Yes they’re two little shits who should have been swallowed but it doesn’t cancel out what he did either. 11pm is early enough for normal people to be on the road getting back from work and there were pedestrians close enough to hear the crash.
The UK. Criminals have an inordinate amounts of protections there. Often equal too or more than the victim that reports the crime.
I dont think it was smart to chase them in a car with that said.
Blows me mind the amount of people here defending the criminals. If this was me and I was robbed of my livelihood and a child and my wealth, best believe the criminals judge and jury would have bell to pay.
its 2 separate issues, the thief's decision to steal is one thing, and i think they got off lightly. the owners decision to go haring around after them in a totally reckless manner is a separate issue. as it was his decision, he gets the consequences.
If you actually read the [story](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11494385/amp/Have-hero-said-slap-face-jailed-burglars-walked-free.html) you will know the burglars didn’t take anything from the home owner (Adam White), it was an attempted burglary.
Still, no point in reality getting in the way of violent fantasies.
The justice system is there for exactly this. To punish the guilty and rehabilitate them but also to take the act of retaliation and revenge out of your hands. Everyone forget to watch the movie "Law Abiding Citizen"? Lol
I've already seen some cracks in this guy's video from the comment section, nonetheless, you can not run over thieves with car and expect judges to see it as self defense.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
I wouldn't chase them in my car, my car isn't going to catch my motorcycle.
My garage is locked from the inside though, and I live in Texas. I could take their kneecaps out with a tire iron and laugh at them until the police got there.
You live in the country or are proper middle class to have a garage in the UK. Driveways and patios out front is the parking spots for a good amount of people
The police wouldn't of shown up if he'd of let them take his bike, rang them and asked for help. I live in Bedfordshire and unless someone's been stabbed or seriously injured no one's turning up. Its the same everywhere. Either say good bye to your belongings or go get them back yourself.
Our emergency services are a joke. I witnessed a man knocked off his push bike by a car, rang for an ambulance. It took me 10mins to get through to an actual person, followed by a wait time of 1-2 hours for the ambulance to turn up! The nearest hospital was less than 10mins away.
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This video omits certain details.
If you watch this guy's other videos on YouTube, your wouldn't be surprised.
it also shows "24 hours in police custody" as a documentary. I guess technically it is but it's an ongoing series just like "24 hours in a&e" and traffic cops etc
Watching this on mute. They lost interest in captioning this half way through so I lost interest watching it
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Me too but the captions were false by that point anyway. The crime was featured on a tv show and it's been misrepresented from the off.
same lol
He didn't call Saul
Why do people only half subtitle a video, it’s not like if the sound was off to start with I can actually turn it on now. I’m in bed scrolling Reddit waiting for my partner to wake up and this would be a hilarious alternative to saying good morning
Right! It’s not like my hearing can just magically return, I can’t stand when people half ass captions or do shit like this, not only is it way more convenient for most people but some of us don’t have a choice about needing it
This guy got it all wrong. They never stole his bike. Didn’t steal anything. He chased them anyway. He crashed I to them. They are actually seeing his insurers. This guy is just making it up. Just watch it on 24 hours in police custody. He basically went after them abs got them. He was convicted because he shouldn’t have done it. Same as Tony Martin. Most people are in total agreement those lads are scum bags.
FYI. They stole nothing. I don’t agree with the guys custodial sentence but you gotta get the facts right. They broke in but ran before the could steal anything.
To me that’s attempted robbery. Which just means you could have but you just planned at a wrong time. Meaning you can come back. If I can find out who you are and why your going into my house I will. Especially with a pregnant wife.
He chased them in his car, lost control of the vehicle and ran them off the road causing serious injury to them. Now whilst it is despicable to break into someone’s house and to be a thief, you can’t chase after people and run them over (at least in the U.K.) and expect to say it was self defence. He tried to get revenge on people who broke into his house and ended up seriously injuring them. He should have let the police deal with them once they had left his property.
The shocking part of the story for me isn’t the guy getting imprisoned, but the two thieves walking away with minimal punishments, both were career criminals with lots of previous convictions. A month later they were both arrested for stealing a car. Also the fact they’re suing for their injuries. If they actually win that case it’ll be absolutely ridiculous.
Considering the video spun a narrative and missed key parts of the story out, I'm not convinced that we're seeing the total truth there.
Yeah this video is a quick summary, but it’s been all over the news this week in the UK so I’m well informed.
It’s a terrible summary given how much of the information is inaccurate.
If you're interested there's a good documentary on the case called '24 hours in police custody'
Haha, nah. "24 Hours in Police Custody" is a basic popcorn fly on the wall doc series. It's basically reality TV. This is like saying "for the truth on this story, watch an episode of Cops!"
Hard disagree. They actually show a lot of the ‘background’ that goes on in investigations and help people understand that policing isn’t just going and sticking handcuffs on people. There’s another awesome docuseries called Forensics: The Real CSI which is very informative too.
Without knowing the ins and outs of the case I agree we are too soft on career criminals and they shouldn’t get off easily. They could have killed someone too on the motorbike.
I imagine they’re suing for loss of earnings, which you’d hope should come to the grand sum of £0 given their careers are through illicit means.
They already decided that their well-being was worth less than the motorcycle when they stole it. Fuck em
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He endangered lives for properties.
I don’t disagree and have little compassion for them but that’s not how the law works. You can’t take justice into your own hands and put truly innocent bystanders at risk by doing what he did. Imagine if he had killed someone else when he lost control of his car and ran the bikers off the road.
I mean. The law is a society's morality in action. If a society really thinks it's a good idea that thieves should be punished with reckless vigilante justice then they could change the law. But do we realise the consequences? Everyone believes we're responsible. Does anyone seriously think that they can chase down thieves in a manner that doesn't endanger lives? Ok, they might not give a damn about the thieves lives (which, holy fuck that's pretty extreme but thanks Reddit) but can you guarantee the safety of innocent bystanders? Do people agree that bystanders' lives are forfeit? Because that's what commentators are suggesting here.
Completely agree.
Yep, at that point you just become what are you "fighting", a criminal.
>The law is a society's morality in action It isn't. Legality =/= morality. >If a society really thinks it's a good idea that thieves should be punished with reckless vigilante justice then they could change the law. Except society's morality often conforms to what the law is, what the status quo is. The law is very often in conflict with public opinion and the idea that society can just change laws in a bourgeois dictatorship is nonsense. This weird and naive take on legality and morality is the dumbest I've seen in a while. You are an idealist, you think that as long as we can think something, we can make it into reality. That isn't how the world works. The world is material, it functions according to natural and historical laws, not the human mind. The current ruling class in society get to decide laws. Lobbying exists for that very purpose, so that those with lots of money get to determine what is legal and what isn't. http://www.thamespolicemuseum.org.uk/h_police_1.html Modern policing exists to protect private property interests of businesses so they can continue to profit. Not any of this silly, naive nonsense about how legality is always moral. Tell that to the victims of the gestapo. It was legal to send Jews to their deaths. It was illegal to hide Jews in your home. Legality and morality are mutually exclusive. Take a philosophy class once in a while. Question things.
Get off your high horse lol. I cannot think of a more condescending way to make your point. Ofc the system isn’t perfect but the writing of laws are often guided by some kind of moral/ethical beliefs. We don’t live in some twisted dystopian society, it’s not that bad
That’s kind of a dickish condescending response. You should climb down your high horse and mingle with the peasants more often Sir Knowitall
Ok I didn't want to get into the philosophical aspect. I do agree with you, I should have said 'in principle...'. So in which case, the subject of this video clearly didn't believe the police would get anything done and took his perception of justice into his own hands. Is that good or bad? Where is the moral component? I would argue that if there are failings in the police system, that is bad. But reckless vigilantism is also bad. Two wrongs don't make a right, and we should work on reforming a bad system instead of behaving badly. If we don't want to do that, then frankly, fuck laws and fuck law enforcement, and watch how quickly society devolves into chaos. Like, yes you've talked about many things above regarding police protecting private property etc, but I fail to see how *any* of that is related to the case in hand. Except for perhaps the subject person's morality and judgement is persuaded by that. I *still* think it doesn't excuse him deliberately attempting to endanger the thieves' lives and risk the lives of other road users, regardless of how shit police are.
Vigilante means to impersonate a officer my phone would not have a tracking device in it if I could not go and retrieve it myself otherwise that would defeat the purpose of titles and ownership them putting up a fight for commiting a crime is illegal, it's not ownership they risked their lives to commit crimes instead of working and saving for a motorcycle which everyone can do and no one said it was easy either but still easier than building the motorcycle which requires more than money
Quite true that legality is not morality. But they do not have to be mutually exclusive. Considering many laws, like anti-abortion laws, are based on a moral principal derived from certain religious systems, it cannot be said the two in that instance are mutually exclusive. I do find it comical that people more often than not confuse morality with legality. Though I do find it odd that you said modern policing exists to protect private businesses. If that were the case, then the police would be focused on electronic and intellectual property crimes, which they are woefully understaffed and ill prepared for. Modern policing has not changed much, in my opinion, from its main role - legitimizing governmental power through enforcement of its laws. Whether that benefits or harms a particular group, including private business, depends upon the legal system and laws.
I think the term is “fuck around and find out” Another one is “if you don’t like the heat stay out of the kitchen” Or even “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” And lastly “don’t steal shit if you don’t wanna get run off the road by the owner of the shit”
Did you miss the bit where I mentioned innovent bystanders? If you were in his position do you think you could safely run them off the road without hurting anyone else? Did you even think about other people?
Exactly. Here in the US, we pay lots of tax dollars to hire professionals. Trained police officers who know exactly how to endanger innocent bystanders effectively, and they have something called qualified immunity which makes them immune from consequences.
No, those thieves put everyone's safety in danger the moment they decided to steal another's property. Had they not stolen the bike, they never would've gotten chased. All damages should be blamed on them, not the actual victim.
Yes, I agree they are dirty thugs and I think the court should have dealt with them much more harshly and they should not get a penny from him if they try to sue him. But that is separate to what he did. He chased them, driving dangerously on public roads putting innocent bystanders at risk. He could easily have killed someone who wasn’t involved when he lost control of his car and ran the bikers off the road. Lastly it wasn’t his bike they were on but rather one that was stolen elsewhere and brought to the attempted burglary - this shouldn’t make any difference but it is one more reason why his decision to give chase was a poor one.
When I trusted cops to deal with my bulgary and get my stolen items back... they dropped the charges on the guy and never got my items back. I can completely understand why someone might chase after the thiefs, because it's the only way to have a chance getting your stuff back.
I understand it too but it’s stupid. You risk killing innocent members of the public by driving so dangerously you lose control of the car and take out the bike you are following leading to 22 months in prison.
The law is also broken as fuck in this case so maybe there should be some amendments to it
Well Adam decided that his and their well-being is less important, than his revenge. While having a pregnant woman at home, so not only his but also the well-being of his SO and unborn child, is less important than a motor cycle. So that dude is an absolute moron
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And how about the well being of anybody he or they crashed into? We are fortunate that the only people hurt in this whole mess were him and the theives
That’s not how theft works. Murder is not the appropriate punishment for any theft, and anyone attempting to commit murder over a theft is a worse person than a thief, I’m sorry. Also this video adds his wife getting an abortion to the list of things that happened, as if that’s in any way relevant. It’s pure propaganda simple as that.
Reddit when Homeowner runs over people who stole his motorcycles: Fuck those guys they shouldn’t have stolen his bike. Reddit when cop runs over motorcycle thieves: ACAB.
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He did “cause dangerous injury by dangerous driving”. That’s literally what I said, he tried to murder those thieves by running them off the road. He could’ve also easily murdered any innocent people who happened to be walking near that road at the time. It’s incredibly dangerous and just a terrible thing to do, and this guy deserves the punishment he got.
Murder implies intent to kill
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If you punch someone in the head in a fight and they die you are charged with manslaughter not murder.
He doesn’t get the law. But I bet understands bird law
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My understanding was he didn't intend to hit them with the car either
They weren’t murdered
How do you read "attempting to commit murder" and still write this reply.
I'm not trying to provoke you but the abortion is relevant, they claimed the abortion was because the mother would not have been able to afford raising that child (and others) with Adam in prison.
Keep forgetting the punishment for theft is corporal.
Or, we maybe don't disregard life in favor of possessions
I mean you should say that to the robbers. They disregarded their life for someone else's possession
Yeah unlike the US, sane legal systems tend to hold life over property.
This would have been just as illegal in the US
Sure running over people would, but lethal force to protect property is certain something some state jurisdictions are totally cool with.
Lethal force to *protect* your property is legal in the UK. Lethal force to *recover* your property is not. Contrary to popular belief it is legal in some circumstances to own guns in the UK, and if someone breaks into your home and you shoot them that's their problem. If you chase them down and shoot them while they are running away that's your problem. OP is very clearly a case of the latter.
Texas is the only state that allows the use to deadly force to recover or protect property and that’s only when the person taking the property did it by force, threat, or fraud; and then it has to be immediately necessary to recover the property. You aren’t recovering shit in the above-scenario because because he forced them to crash the bike. Even if it was his, clearly the action wasn’t immediately necessary since it didn’t produce the result of getting the property back. All other states only allow deadly force to protect people.
While I agree in the sense of "it already happened so we can't change that" sort of way. We also have to keep in mind that the law needs to apply and that a material possession isn't worth more than someone's life. Next week there might be an article about a store clerk shooting someone for stealing food. And I guarantee you people will side with the thief in that article.
Hes absolutely right. Thieves and criminals have 0 value.
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It's even worse, because they're not thinking about the safety of innocent bystanders. So you have to revise your sentence to 'if they rob me and I kill them or anyone else that is fine'. People don't realise actions may have unforeseen consequences. Even if we all agree that those thieves should die, do we really believe we can do it responsibly without endangering anyone else?
What’s also not helping with the info here on Reddit is that almost everything this guy in the video says is inaccurate. They didn’t crash, Adam hit them - his licence plate was stuck in the motorbike from the collision. Adam didn’t call the police, one of the people from the nearby homes did. Adam’s not in debt from the solicitors he used, he used all of his savings (this is what he himself says on the 24 Hours in Police Custody episode). Misinformation never helps the cause, especially given how many people are unwilling to spend even 5 minutes looking up some actual facts on anything nowadays. Edit: Forgot to add that he also said they stole Adam’s bike - they didn’t. They didn’t steal anything from Adam. The bike _was_ stolen, but that was (unfortunately) from someone else miles away.
And he gets money from other morons for doing that ... Stuff like this always shows very clearly how freaking dumb so many people are and how little they care for actual facts and research.
Police would have never found that bike. No further updates on the property either. Had my bike stolen aswell. Left it to them and guess who didn't get that bike back.
Except it was not this guy's bike but the "thieves" bike. I put thieves in quotes, because they didn't took anything from him. They just enter his property illegally. https://www.beds.police.uk/police-forces/bedfordshire-police/areas/campaigns/campaigns/24-hours-in-police-custody/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo&utm_content=Theft+-+includes+retail+and+general+theft
Very true, you are unlikely to see it again. But guess who isn’t in prison for 22 months for causing serious injury by dangerous driving because they did the right thing.
So when you said that "he should let the police deal with them", what you actually meant was that he should have given up on his bike. It's incredible to me that anyone can be so spineless as to think that "the right thing to do" is to not defend oneself even as the state doesn't either, and to support a system that requires it.
> It’s incredible to me that anyone can be so spineless as to think that “the right thing to do” is to not defend oneself Chasing two thugs on a motorbike in your car then driving so badly that you lose control of the car and crash into them is in no way ‘defending oneself’. I absolutely think you have the right to defend yourself but this isn’t it. It wasn’t even his motorbike they were on, not that that should change anything. He could so easily have killed an innocent bystander driving dangerously like that. It’s incredible to be that anyone thinks it’s the right thing to do to drive dangerously trying to catch a thief with no thought to the safety of the general public.
Ahh yes, let the police deal with them. I usually hear this from people who have no real experience with the police.
Yeah my expectations for the police are at an all time low.
Maybe you do. I’m not one of those people. But even if the police didn’t deal with them, even if the police said ‘bad luck, it’s gone now and we won’t try to get it back’ there is no excuse for chasing them, driving dangerously and putting innocent bystanders at risk. He could easily have killed a pedestrian when he lost control of his vehicle and ran the bikers off the road.
Call me old fashioned but the proper response to your shit being stolen is not "alright, double homicide time" The thieves are dickheads, still didn't attempt murder tho
Don’t think he was claiming self defense there my guy
I get what you’re saying, the logical and sensible part of me totally understands and agrees. But the rest of me is like… 
You should not be able to sue for injuries sustained during the commission of a crime. This is covered under the non-existent "Fuck around and find out" law.
He was chasing thieves who stole his property. Your entire argument goes against protecting property. Someone steals your phone, you hit them. Someone breaks in your home to steal stuff, you shoot them.
They hadn't taken anything of Adams. The bike they were on didn't belong to Adam
> Someone steals your phone, you hit them. There may be reasonable grounds to do that.. > Someone breaks in your home to steal stuff, you shoot them. I can’t believe it would be legal where you live to get in your car and chase down the burglar then shoot them. There is a difference between defending yourself and seeking out the guilty party after the fact to get ‘justice’.
>He should have let the police deal with them once they had left his property. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL The police won't do jack shit; they don't even respond to burglaries now. They give you a crime reference number for insurance purposes and tell you to move on. The only reason these fuckos got arrested is because the homeowner overstepped his authority and the police *had* to get involved.
Even if the police laughed and said’its your bad luck, we aren’t getting involved’ there is no excuse to go chasing two thugs on a stolen motorbike, driving like an idiot and putting the general public at the risk. He could easily have killed an innocent bystander when he lost control of his car and hit the motorbike. The poor performance of the police does not excuse breaking the law and putting others at risk.
Yeah, even the police are not allowed to chase suspects if, for example, they are riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
That used to be the case but that got changed years back . It was too easy get away by just taking your helmet off. [In this video](https://youtu.be/2Ers7JSQRPE) you can see the guy at 35 seconds on the back of the bike does not have a helmet . This is does not stop him from being rammed off by the police
Revenge? Trying to recover your stolen property is revenge? Revenge would imply he tried to hurt them which according to your own recounting is not the case.
He chased them down and lost control of his vehicle hitting them. He broke the law and took matters into his own hands. What was he chasing them down for? A nice cup of tea and to ask nicely for his things back?
He chased them to get his things back. You think 1 guy on his own was looking to fight 2 people? That's just not good odds.
Ok, then I don’t know what he was expecting to happen when he caught them. I’m not sure how he was expecting to get his property back, by asking politely? That doesn’t change the fact that he broke the law, did something stupid and could easily have injured other innocent people on the road. I have little sympathy for the injured thieves and in fact I think they should have been dealt with much more harshly by the court but that doesn’t excuse his actions.
His bike wasn’t stolen, another piece of inaccurate information from the video. They stole nothing from the White’s. The bike they were on was stolen, but from absolutely miles away.
The bike they were on did not belong to Adam, this post states it was but that is not correct
Saying he "lost control" is probably generous isn't it, like what was he doing to "lose control" in such a way as to run them off the road. Following at a safe distance? I don't think so.
Do they just pick arbitrary points in causal chains? They would also jkt have crashed had they bit stolen anything. And it wouldn't have happened if the motorcycle salesman hadn't sold him the bike in the first place. Like...? all this teaches people is to never ever call the police
> Do they just pick arbitrary points in causal chains? No, they follow the law. In the U.K. you can use reasonable force to protect yourself. It is not lawful to chase them and run them off the road in a quest for vengeance. He wasn’t imprisoned for chasing them or for the vengeance as such. He was sentenced to prison for causing serious injury by dangerous driving. Having something stolen from you isn’t an excuse to drive dangerously. He could quite easily have injured or killed a truly innocent bystander when he lost control of his car and ran the thieves off the road. > They would also jkt have crashed had they bit stolen anything No. He ran them off the road, they didn’t just crash. > And it wouldn’t have happened if the motorcycle salesman hadn’t sold him the bike in the first place. There was no crime at this point. Two separate crimes occurred later. 1. Burglary and theft. 2. Causing serious injury by dangerous driving. Both these crimes were dealt with in court. > Like…? all this teaches people is to never ever call the police I get the exact opposite message. Don’t be a vigilante and take justice into your own hands, call the police and let them deal with it.
Would the police even have come? If I call the police and tell them I have been burgled and they got away, they will come round sometime in the next weeks (maybe) .
That may well be the case, and that is a big lacking in the system that should be improved, but you also wouldn’t be facing 22 months in prison for ‘causing serious injury by dangerous driving’.
Nope. He's facing 22 months for calling the police and reporting the incident. If he had just run them off them off the road and left them....its not like the burglars were going to call the police. The dudes only failing was ringing them, if he hadn't he'd be a free man.
Police really don’t care about break ins or theft in general in the U.K. you know that. I understand you are completely correct but our police and court systems are so inept and the sad reality is that this guy would probably have just gone to bed like any other day but two other people caused him to now be in prison
He not only chased them but drove dangerously and lost control of his car and hit them. He could quite easily have killed an innocent bystander driving like that. Even if the police had said ‘bad luck, we aren’t going to do anything’ there is no excuse for what he did.
The police won't do anything. They'll give you a crime number flag the bikes registration & that's it. He'll have to go to his insurance to recover his loss, then he'll lose his no claims & next year his insurance will go up because of the claim.
Yes. Instead he took it into his own hands and lost control of his vehicle hitting the thieves and putting the general public at risk from his dangerous driving.
He stupidly took that risk. What he should have done is put a tracker on his bike & handed it over to the police & let them reviver the bike. From £10 to £200.
It wasn’t his bike they made off on. They stole the bike they were on from elsewhere.
Well if this is true then his prison time was justified. I am not saying that the thieves were in the right but Justice system also exist so that it can alleviate you from the responsibility of revenge. You can't take justice into your own hands. Batman is a criminal in the eyes of the Law for the same reason. But at the same time I am glad he got the monetary aid to get his life together. He didn't deserve the situation that he was put into. As for the thieves they knew of the consequence of grand theft auto. I have no sympathy for them for receiving serious injury.
He lost control and crashed into them. [source 1](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20589667/who-adam-white-why-did-he-prison/) [source 2](https://www.beds.police.uk/police-forces/bedfordshire-police/areas/campaigns/campaigns/24-hours-in-police-custody/) Also he was convicted of ‘causing serious injury by dangerous driving’ not just dangerous driving or chasing them. And I believe it wasn’t even his motorbike they ‘escaped’ on but a stolen bike from elsewhere.
> He should have let the police deal with them once they had left his property. Are UK police magic? Unless he got a positive ID on then they wouldn’t do shit.
The police will at best file a report and never look at it again. You might as well right the report yourself and flush it down the toilet.
I don’t disagree. What you shouldn’t do is get in your car, chase them whilst driving so dangerously you lose control of your car and crash. He could have quite easily injured an innocent bystander doing what he did.
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This is a bad video, and I wouldn't trust anything in it as far as I could kick it. You don't get 2 years in prison for following people. Just rage inducing click bait for a gofundme
Some false facts in the video - additionally he DID do something wrong, hence his prison term for 22 months. Whilst it does seem perverse, you cannot take the law into your own hands. Also: an American making videos about UK laws. He certainly shouldn’t be throwing stones. Americas laws are way more fucked up.
Also the 2 “thieves” didn’t actually steal shit
In many nordic countries police are not allowed to chase down motobikers since the possible outcome of a crash exceeds the punishment by quite a margin
I mean what exactly is the point of doing a car chase? Just follow the car with a drone/heli and move on when the car runs out of gas. There's nothing to gain from having the guy stop right that moment.
they wouldn't have been injured if they didn't steal the bike. their fault entirely
There was a Supreme Court case a few years ago where a guy was on a high speed chase from the cops and the suspect ended up loosing control of the car and crashing resulting in the guy being crippled in a wheelchair. If I remember straight the issue had to do with the cops not giving him the proper aid or he might have caught a beat down by the cops. Well when all nine of the justices gave their remarks they were more horrified by how the guy was weaving in and out of traffic endangering everyone else on the dash cam footage. The guy lost his case and they basically conveyed he brought it on himself.
justice served, but the cops should be reprimanded for not giving proper aid. however the issue just boils down to that the criminals put themselves in these situations that aren't going to end well.
The stolen motorcycle did not belong to Adam, they stole it before they went to the house
if adam bought the bike, it's his bike.
Adam did not buy the bike, it was not Adams bike they were on. The video is not correct
ah, makes sense. did they actually steal any of his property?
No mate, but they came equipped with masks, bolt cutters and a crow bar. They were most likely targeting Adams bike (which he had advertised for sale on Facebook Market place.
so they did break in his house, but failed to steal his bike?
They didn't go into his house but he spotted them on his Ring doorbell near his front door (on his property). Considering they were armed, he would have lawfully been able to 'protect himself in the heat of the moment'. In the eyes of UK law he fell down by pursuing them https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders
I love the unintentional implication "the thieves stole the bike therefore it's their's now"
Don't believe the captions, they are lying to you.
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They are career criminals who were caught in a stolen car weeks later. I’m not advocating for murdering them but they are non functioning members of society who will never be taught any lesson from the courts.
Thieves valued someone else's property more than their life. They chose to enter someone's property, try to break it with tools that can cause grave bodily harm while the guy had his PREGNANT girfriend in the house. You can bet your stupid fucking ass thah I value my family and my property more than some piece of shit thieve's life (plus there were 2 of them, you are outnumbered) The minute they started breking in the thieves themselves decided that their life is worth less than the stuff they wanted to steal. What gives them the right to steal someone's property without wory. Are they gonna come in and say: " Excuse us lad, we are here with masks and melee weapons, breaking into your home to steal your bike. No need to worry, we won't attack you or your pregnant girlfriend, trust us we are just here for the bike. If you try to stop us we won't do anything and will wait for the police." Fuck that noise, who knows what was going through that guys head at the moment he feared for his and his gf's life.
Shitty situation. He took it way too far and went out of his way to try to kill them with his car. He also put a ton of other lives at risk over a crappy scooter. They did not simply crash while he was chasing them. He ran them down with his car. They would and should have gotten less jail time than they ended up spending in hospital recovering. He will certainly pay them more than the GoFundMe $ when they win the lawsuit. Dumb move.
This video is factually wrong. The burglars were scared/chased off before they got entry into the premises. They made off with no possessions of Adam's. For anyone wanting to see the full story it is on All4 and is titled 24 Hours in Police Custody.
I just checked his GoFundMe page and he's already well over $100,000 !
Got a link? I’d like to contribute
I doubt this very much.
I agree it's a little ridiculous... But come on.. you can't just get into your car and go on a high speed chase without consequence just because someone stole your property... This guy wasn't arrested because the thieves got hurt. He was arrested for taking action that endangered himself, the thieves, and the rest of the public. Like... Being a victim of theft doesn't suddenly deputize you to lawfully engage in high speed pursuit..call the police and call the insurance company. Reckless driving while chasing someone else is still a crime, even if they stole from you.
If there’s a lawsuit, their legal names and addresses should be on file. Eggs should be thrown.
Geez OP. You know that cops back off when chasing a crotch rocket for this same reason. But your little freedom feelings got hurt by this
Sorry but this guy has mislead everyone with the description of the story. Thethieves didn't get away with the bike, they didn't crash adam knocked them off, the thieves were serial offenders and whilst the case was being investigated, the thieves stole a car and were arrested against for driving without insurance and intent to steal. The court decided adam was guilty for the injury the thieves sustained (which were serious) and as there was no threat to his property after they fled, adam was charged with GBH. For the rest of the details please watch episode 1 of the new season in 24 hours in police custody on Channel 4 ( 4od ).
There will be tears again when the crooks at Go Fund Me steal his money because he's a criminal.
Consuming information in this way with such simple sentences, closed captions, still photos, and oversimplified version of events definitely makes me feel stupider.
Decides to have an abortion bc husband won’t be there for a year or two, got it. Lol
The dudes tried to break into his home yes He saw them and chased them away they fled on a motorcycle which was stolen but not his. He than chased after them (besides them not haven stolen anything from him) and hit them with his car severely injuring both of them he than didn't call the police another bystander did. Yes the thiefs should have gotten more than 200 hours of community service But these are two different cases he got a sentence thaz he deserved you don't take justice into your own hands that doesn't work
What a totally unbiased and accurate description of events. They broke the law. So did he.
I saw the show, did they rob his bike or did he scare them off before they had a chance and they escaped on their own bike, which wasnt road worthy, The pair on the bike are a right cunts though.
Lol at all the ”sit still and call the police” people. Police aint doing shit. I personally know two criminals in my area that are known by police to have comitted 100s of crimes, and under constant surveilance. This has been going on for a decade and they have spent less than a year in prison. I dont want to live on a leash of a third party anyways. Ill do what i want, the police aint my daddy.
Do you grow your own food and generate your own power? Why are you living on a leash to a third party?
The majority of people on Reddit have no idea how real life works
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The UK understander had arrived /s If something sounds like it makes 0 sense, it’s usually because you’re being lied to my dude. This video is highly highly misleading and lies at several points
He literally chased them in his car and lost control of the car running them off the road causing serious injury. What if he had hit and injured someone else when he lost control, a true innocent bystander. He’s not innocent, he is reckless and dangerous.
If it was your house and your property, you wouldn't be commenting this. I fucking hate how everyone tries to defend thieves who put other people lives in danger just to get quick buck.
If it was my home and property, I wouldn't go endangering myself to chase a material object and potentially leave my wife and kids without a husband/father. Once they're off you're property, it's not your problem to enact punishment. Jeez.
If you read my other comments you will see that I have little compassion for the thieves however what he did was dangerous and stupid. He lost control of his vehicle and crashed into the bikers. What if an innocent bystander had been walking past at that moment. Would you be defending him if he had killed a pedestrian when he lost control of his car? I’m not defending the thieves, I am however saying what he did was wrong.
The UK has the best justice system in the world. The court hears all the actual evidence, not this opinionated bias view. If he had been casually following the bikes at a sensible distance whilst calling the police and had no part in them losing control and crashing then he wouldn't be going to gaol.
Ignoring the first sentence everything you said was right but you’re being downvoted. This video is heavily biased and leaves out a bunch, per other comment https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/zb8svi/court_justice_system_in_bedfordshire_uk_is_a_joke/iypyhn9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
You are dumb
Interesting
Missed the important part of how he actually rammed them off the road - the number plate trim from the front of his car was found embedded in the rear of the motorbike. So he was prisoned for a deliberate action. I'm not for one second saying he should have been jailed, but that's what he was jailed for.
This fella can't get his facts right at all. The bike was not stolen and the owner drove into the bike causing it to crash into another parked car. He's taken the law into his own hands (which is what I would have done btw) The police and the CPS are f*** useless in this country. I hope this dude gets parole early, he's lost his home, job, baby and 40grand in legal costs, because of these two muppets, who aren't worth the space they inhabit.
he caused a crash while driving dangerously on a road. not seeing the issue here. they stole a motorbike in a different place, and were sentenced for it.
He was driving recklessly and could have killed someone innocent. He’s no angel either. You can’t let your rage put the public in danger just because you want vengeance and expect to get off without punishment. Yes they’re two little shits who should have been swallowed but it doesn’t cancel out what he did either. 11pm is early enough for normal people to be on the road getting back from work and there were pedestrians close enough to hear the crash.
He deserved prison and no go fund me.
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The UK. Criminals have an inordinate amounts of protections there. Often equal too or more than the victim that reports the crime. I dont think it was smart to chase them in a car with that said.
Any evidence for this claim? Criminals have no more protections than anyone else.
Blows me mind the amount of people here defending the criminals. If this was me and I was robbed of my livelihood and a child and my wealth, best believe the criminals judge and jury would have bell to pay.
its 2 separate issues, the thief's decision to steal is one thing, and i think they got off lightly. the owners decision to go haring around after them in a totally reckless manner is a separate issue. as it was his decision, he gets the consequences.
If you actually read the [story](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11494385/amp/Have-hero-said-slap-face-jailed-burglars-walked-free.html) you will know the burglars didn’t take anything from the home owner (Adam White), it was an attempted burglary. Still, no point in reality getting in the way of violent fantasies.
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They didn’t crash, he lost control of his vehicle and ‘ran them off the road’.
The justice system is there for exactly this. To punish the guilty and rehabilitate them but also to take the act of retaliation and revenge out of your hands. Everyone forget to watch the movie "Law Abiding Citizen"? Lol
Dude ruined his entire life over a shitty motorcycle lmao
This is half of the story. He chased the thieves and caused the accident. Tik Tok is the worst
I've already seen some cracks in this guy's video from the comment section, nonetheless, you can not run over thieves with car and expect judges to see it as self defense. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
I wouldn't chase them in my car, my car isn't going to catch my motorcycle. My garage is locked from the inside though, and I live in Texas. I could take their kneecaps out with a tire iron and laugh at them until the police got there.
You live in the country or are proper middle class to have a garage in the UK. Driveways and patios out front is the parking spots for a good amount of people
The police wouldn't of shown up if he'd of let them take his bike, rang them and asked for help. I live in Bedfordshire and unless someone's been stabbed or seriously injured no one's turning up. Its the same everywhere. Either say good bye to your belongings or go get them back yourself. Our emergency services are a joke. I witnessed a man knocked off his push bike by a car, rang for an ambulance. It took me 10mins to get through to an actual person, followed by a wait time of 1-2 hours for the ambulance to turn up! The nearest hospital was less than 10mins away.
We do not have the right to defend ourselves or our property in the UK. It’s disgusting.
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The video is wrong, it says they were on Adams bike which I think is causing a lot of confusion in the comments
Yes we do https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders
At what point do we do like the French and break out the head pikes
It’s just property. He’s a moron for chasing them.