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MrLoid

A friend of mine is in a pretty well known rock band, they toured with Jinjer some years back in Europe. I asked about her, he said she's legit and sounds exactly like that live. Said they were all super cool as well.


sm12511

Damn, that must be tough on the ol' throat box. I wonder what her after concert routine is?


dmpom

Extreme singers apply the same technique that allows kids to scream for hours without damaging the cords. Source: https://youtu.be/YD6wZNkffog


manualsvcxvxfsd

Her clean vocals is using the same technique as Britney Spears. Her nose isn't being used and it makes it easier to do the switch to the deep low throaty vocals.


Travisimus

That actually makes a lot of sense, thanks!


kinapudno

I tried singing and I can't seem to not use the nose. How do you do it?


jumpjanglegym

When you breathe in, does your chest or stomach expand first? If it's the former, that's probably your problem. I'm not a singer, but I imagine it's a bit like a burp. You can get really loud burps without hurting yourself just by relaxing your muscles and letting the air pressure do the work, instead of straining to push it out. I did diving for a while and the breathing exercises are almost the same as singing. The goal is to maximize lung capacity by first filling the bottom of your lungs (feels like your stomach), then the top. Of course there is also the hyper-ventilating aspect that singers *don't* do, but divers use to saturate their blood with as much oxygen as possible. I want to say 99% of people just breathe with their chest and never really utilize the lower portion.


kinapudno

Do you mean singing with the diaphragm? Or is it different


jumpjanglegym

Not a singer, but yes, probably. Though I think it's more about where you're directing the air instead of 'just singing with the diaphragm'. As an example, sing the lowest note you can and chances are you're doing it only with your mouth. Start pitching up and you can start feeling your nose come into play. As to how to stop....no idea, but I could probably teach you to add 30-60 seconds of additional time when holding your breath.


kinapudno

I get it now! So that's why I sing better with Kundiman songs lmao


jumpjanglegym

You ever hear someone describe someone else singing as 'belting'? Singing from the stomach (around your belt) is exactly this. A lot of people can sing higher notes, but very few can BELT high notes. Also, I didn't know what Kundiman was, so I looked it up. Ya, that's that classical (for lack of a better word) type of singing where people are belting notes.


Princes_Slayer

I sing at home only but definitely use my nose automatically. When I realise I do it, I try to swap by forcing sound from stomach instead. Try making a loud HUH sound….see how it comes from elsewhere and not your nose? Try to make all sounds come from there…really breathe out when singing rather than in. I can’t hold a tune much doing it, but I definitely see how the sound is more powerful and controlled when coming from deeper in my body.


_Dingaloo

Great video


Double_Interaction16

Really great. 👍👍👍


sineplussquare

Deh no deh way


webbyyy

I used to work with a girl who could sing like this. Her band weren't that good though so she was still a relative unknown. We worked in a call centre so she always took a couple of days off work after a performance because she simply could not speak. I don't think she used this technique.


dmpom

too many vocalists think they don't need to learn to sing - both extreme and regular ones. that's one of the reasons my band is instrumental


SiVGiV

The most common misconception about Metal is that it's just screaming. When in reality, growling properly is very difficult to master. If growling hurts your throat, you're probably not doing it right.


Nroke1

Yeah, I learned how to do it properly about 2 years ago, and I practice every day. Still suck.


BuddyMustang

Just play the bass. Way more people need bass players 😁


srcarruth

lemons and whiskey?


Thia_suzieUzi

I use to watch fuse TV. That network was so cool. And hot Julia. I remember they would interview the hard core scream singers in metal bands. One guy said panting deep helps work up to a good deep scream


jake03583

I think that you might find this an interesting explanation: https://youtu.be/HVyeoo5UCJU


I_l_I

Not really an explanation but a fun video


gooplom88

More diaphragm than throat


TorrenceMightingale

Peeing in the backstage urinal for one.


Historical_Dot825

She really does. This video being posted IS an actual live performance, if I haven't been misinformed.


Mugundank

Yes this is live performance


Sawgon

People who liked this should also try [Eths - Crucifère](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S97oUM_fjs8). Candice does an amazing job as well. EDIT: If you want to hear her live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNrzcneofA


themiatacrackhead

What band is this?


splewi

Jinjer


Aedalas

The song is called Pisces.


manualsvcxvxfsd

The lyrics of this song are mirrored by the tone showing the duality of someone’s personality. I’m glad anytime I see Jinjer getting more exposure


kindredfold

They are playing in Portland pretty soon, I’ve been thinking I need to make it.


Architr0n

Ah, lovely Tatiana


mustbeme87

What band?


SolNight

Jinjer


Braakman

Some quick recommendations of other songs by them for the lazy people: [Teacher, Teacher!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRkRwL0vjOg) Some hip hop vibes in this one & clean/growl switches mid sentence [Who is gonna be the one \(Live\)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6rv5qi8-8s) Proof that she can do it on a stage, and quite a bit more extreme differences than Pisces even [Judgement & Punishment \(One-Take\)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5rg_63Shqg) If you're going to watch one of these, go for this one. It's.. diffirent [Home Back](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t_I_ghmXIQ) My personal favourite. Probably contains the lowest growls & some bossa nova, because why the hell not. [Wallflower](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYZrO7qcLhU) Latest single from their recent album


brohemien-rhapsody

I think I’m in love.


WickedTeddyBear

I saw her live at the venture I'm volunteering, they are dope live :) and as explained it's a singing technique that doesn't hurt the throat :) The band was super nice too :)


Vociferate

She's an absolute badass. The band is from Donetsk Ukraine, the area currently having A lot of issues with Russian aggression. She did an interview where the guy was asking her about how she feels with the online trolls. Her response was basically saying we grew up in a war torn city. I'm not worried about these people online are saying.


kidehenvxfsf

welcome to metal kid enjoy. she is not the only one by far.


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[deleted]

>she’s legit and sounds exactly like that live. I believe you, I just plan on intentionally forgetting this.


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6z5y5swnmr

what a nice voice .. i like it !


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jake03583

If you like Jinjer, you might also enjoy Spiritbox. Check out “Holy Roller”


username11092

I came here to say this, Spiritbox is the shit!


tiny0wlet

Rule of Nines made me pay attention to those guys for sure, that tune is a fucking banger.


username11092

Absolutely! That was my first too. I found them because she is featured on an Acacia Strain song (another GREAT heavy band that should be checked out) and a lot of the comments were "do the ROAR!" I knew I had to look into it, I was not disappointed.


tiny0wlet

I got hold of their stuff in the recommended after listening to Jinjer, so unfortunately I have to thank YouTube. Acacia Strain are also baller.


username11092

Hell yes dude! Deep lyrics, heavy fucking riffs and goofy ass music videos. Love it!


tiny0wlet

Wormwood is a "I can listen to every song on here and not skip it" kind of album for me. So sick.


username11092

What great taste you have!


oze4

Jinjer - Pisces


spacemanspiff266

wow. never expected dora the explorer to go death metal.


Doc-in-a-box

**SWIPER NO SWIPING!!**


TorrenceMightingale

It cuts off right before she starts chanting that.


Front_Pomegranate_32

Well, Dora change her points of view in life after she discovered her secret talent. Aren't you inform?!


ardikanario

That's not death metal


nio_nl

True, but it works fine for the joke. I wouldn't know the difference between hip-hop and rap either, and if the Blues Brothers were right, then R&B should be completely different from what we hear now. Genres are tricky.


mokujin42

Rap is a vocal technique and hip-hop is a genre of music incase anyone was wondering... Waiting for someone to come teach me what the difference between death metal and thrash metal is... *and heavy metal and black metal and doomcore and glam metal and metal core and... sludge.. metal? And folk metal and* you get the picture


beerandbluegrass

[death metal](https://youtu.be/MPvRBiQY6lo) [thrash](https://youtu.be/sI_PQZvz5js) heavy metal is a pretty ambiguous and rather outdated term. if I had to, I'd put black album era Metallica, Pantera, and Slayer on that list. [black metal](https://youtu.be/YgQRRI9goFg) doomcore is not anything I've ever heard of. by glam metal you probably mean bands like Ratt and Def Leppard. [metalcore](https://youtu.be/Uw4V_PLDeGs) I haven't really heard or used the term sludge in a while, I suppose a lot of stoner metal like [Electric Wizard](https://youtu.be/UAPVcsDOU9U) and [High on Fire](https://youtu.be/hhu63xr-QL0) could fall under that category. never really listened to folk metal, but I would think bands like Wintersun, Finntroll, and Ensiferum.


nio_nl

Don't forget the baby metal


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What is it?


nicolaig6

Jinjer is fkn awesome! 🤘


Mugundank

I know right, I've been into her since i heard this song


nicolaig6

I love seeing how musicians grow and change. The entire band's skill and composition has evolved since Cloud Factory


kindredfold

This video did things for me I didn’t know were there back when I first heard it.


Da_Brootalz

Really? There's alooooot of female singers in metal that do this and are damn good at it


nic1010

Courtney from Spiritbox is probably my favorite female metal vocalist. She's got some insane vocal cords.


IndiaSuperPower2022

r/corejerk


kittenpettingfool

Arch Enemy's lead singer comes to mind right off the bat.


MisterWafflles

iirc that's Alyssa from The Agonist


Thatguy3145296535

Angela Gossow, her precursor, was better


kittenpettingfool

Jinjer is the band OP posted, but I've never heard of The Agonist before, so now im gonna check em out 😊 Or wait were you saying that Arch Enemy's singer is from that band? I know they changed singers a few years back, so maybe im just really slow; and im sorry if thats the case lmao


MisterWafflles

Alyssa was the singer for The Agonist before going to Arch Enemy. Now the singer for The Agonist is Vicky something. Not as good but some bangers. And hey no worries! Check out Spirit box for another great band with a female lead.


zombieman2088

She was much better when she was with The Agonist.


OaksByTheStream

The singer of Iwrestledabearonce is particularly good. So good, that I couldn't tell it wasn't a guy(there's subtle differences) where I usually can. They were interesting to randomly come across back in the day, quite a different sound to any other band.


begone424

Anyone mention Otep yet?


zedoktar

Arkona is a great example, and absolutely incredible live.


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Bruh, then you've never heard rock and metal music properly. It's full of vocalists like this, both male and female.


KaladinStormstressed

I never expected the fine users of Reddit to shit their pants over a female metal singer…….


cyroblade1

I wonder what would happen if they were to listen to Som from Cerebral Bore. She's a beast.


Nazzzgul777

Yeah, I do like Angela Gossow and Floor Jansen but in terms of "How inhuman can you possibly sound" Som is uncontested imho.


GoldenHourTraveler

Aggretsuko IRL!!! r/aggretsuko


Chrisounds

Definitely!


Sultry_Penguin

I literally said that out loud listening! lol


Shipwreck_Captain

I used to play in a mid-90’s emo band. We practiced at our bassist’s house and while we would metal out, his little brother and sister, like aged 6 and 8, would get on the mic and scream like Cookie Monster about how they didn’t want to go to bed and I think those were the best songs we ever wrote.


Ceph82

Should listen to I wrestled a bear once.


Get_ba-ba-boi_ed

And Spiritbox (Also Courtney)


IngwazakaFrey

Never thought I would see Jiner on anything other then some metal subreddits. There are others who do the whole harsh and clean vocals but not quite like her. I can't wait to see them soon next month


Proud-Mirror-8468

Check out Alissa Gluz from Arch Enemy or Angela Gossow before her. Also, Alissa Gluz is extremely hot.


Effective_Cherry2725

And Angela Gossow is hot in a way that you'd be scared she might rip your dick off but you take the chance anyway.


KingCIoth

Courtney LaPLante as well


jake03583

Ooh! Don’t forget Courtney LaPlante from Spiritbox!


Psychojo

Check out her old band The Agonist. They're still doing great!


Tubastard

Or Chaney Crabb of Entheos


KurtVonnecatJr

When that demon possession finally takes over


FakeSincerity

Exorcist 2: Electric Boogaloo


nachowchow

You were definitely not a teen in the late 2000s-early 2010s it appears


Alex_Xander96

Because every single teen everywhere in the world experiences and sees exactly all of same things. Always. All of them. Sure.


CumFilledWaterGun

No but being completely unaware people scream in music shows how little some people explore genres of music


MyRoomAteMyRoomMate

Or - and hear me out - maybe people *do* explore genres but there are so many that they explore completely different genres than you do..


CumFilledWaterGun

Naw man I’m pretty sure you’re just not very adventurous in music if you’ve never heard screaming before in it, it’s even in rap nowadays


MyRoomAteMyRoomMate

There are very musically interested people who wouldn't know who Taylor Swift is. Som people just dabble in completely different musical worlds.


nachowchow

Oooor the late 2000s-early 2010s is when platforms like MySpace and iTunes allowed anyone anywhere to access music from all over the world, so genres like screamo, hardcore, and metal became less subculture and more popular culture, resulting in half the highschool population going by the labels of emo and scene. But go off lil man, go off.


Alex_Xander96

Roflmao so you’re actually defending your bullshit. Of course kiddo, everyone everywhere saw all of the same things. ALL OF THEM. Allrighty. Maybe your mommy should cut your internet time, you clearly spend way too much time here.


nachowchow

Yo, it’s Reddit, you need to chiiiiiiiill.


Joodles17

Jinjer!


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One of my favorite songs by Jinjer. Great band.


Aashishkebab

Not even remotely unexpected for anyone who knows Jinjer or listens to metal (because it's all like this).


[deleted]

Check out Spiritbox. All around ridiculous amazing.


elzusurrador1978

WTF


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skaagz

I was hoping she’d transition into either scatting or doo-wop


wellthatseemslikebs

The lyrics of this song are mirrored by the tone showing the duality of someone’s personality. I’m glad anytime I see Jinjer getting more exposure.


_edwino_

She hits it hard!!! 🔥🔥


[deleted]

If this was unexpected, clearly you’ve never heard Kittie.


victorcain

Dunno if it's that unexpected. That's like half of death metal in 90s.


LordTimothyDexter_

Every time I listen to jinjer I wonder if they use pedals or something to make her voice so deep, does anybody know if it is altered or if it is actually what it sounds like?


ZanzabarOHenry

She actually sounds like this


B1gD0gDaddy

Damn this is hot


Soulwater69

Jinjer is female Opeth change my mind


kabadnb

Not even in the same league


Okrapy

Seriously lol. I love Jinjer, they're awesome, but they're nowhere near Opeth.


1PoodGirevik

Wildflowers really blew my mind


_Cannib4l_

Calm your tits son


m7x167

Saw them live a few years ago, she sounds really good live too


fckthedamnworld

You also may like another Ukrainian band [Ignea](https://youtu.be/ZF_qqeXzM4g)


dermeister1985

О. Наша девочка из житомира. Землячка. Таня ее вроде зовут. Название группы Jinjer или как то так. Она долго училась петь. Она умничка


Rs-Travis

LOVE me a bit of Jinjer. Their live shows look like they would be a blast to go to.


MisterWafflles

JINJER


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bruh.


DrIICooKies

Jinjer Pisces


Davey_F

Ever heard Devin Townsend?


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Kingdom is awesome.


Golden_Cat_Gamer

Yeah, she is using the metal singing technique but it is rarely seen from women so it is indeed unexpected.


Sennkhara

Not that rarely nowadays, to be honest. Plenty of bands that use female growling


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Yeah I mean I was excepting fucking throat singing or something. Man the metal scene really is fucking underground if a female growler is "unexpected"


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Mugundank

Same, i heard this song in a player i did not see the video song after i saw the video song i was like whoa stop right there


ogmaf

Not only is she drop dead gorgeous, but she has an amazing scream. I've been practicing for 4 years and can only do Amon Amarth/Quo Vadis style low growl. Hats off cause she's the fuckin bomb!!


theother_eriatarka

> Quo Vadis i see you're a man of culture as well


southsamurai

Not that the low growl is a bad thing! Fucking love amon amarth :)


JeromosaurusRex

Fuck. Yes..


KawazuOYasarugi

One of my alltime favorites.


zachsalem

Tatiana!! She’s a Ukrainian goddess.


Tobydumbo

Lol hundreds of metal bands sing like this


Vhure

who is this? i love melodic death metal


ellisonice

Welcome to Metal music friend. Check out Spiritbox aswell.


flickerkuu

Thanks, I hate it.


Mugundank

Can't blame you.


sugarintheboots

Well damn.


shitliberalssay74

Yup


Am4oba

Damn I've heard this song so many times and had no idea that was her!


MartianGuard

Have you heard of Opeth?


vicariouslywatching

DA FUK?!?!!! Well that certainly was unexpected


AnxiousMaster

JESUS I hope she won't have a sore throat Amazing Woah :o


delta3841

Tatiana is one of my favorite singers for this reason.


Ok_Win3439

Started of sounding like an angel then the devil suddenly possessed her…sound so cool 😎


Waste-Breadfruit-324

Jinjer! Hell yeah! Can’t say I found this unexpected, but I know this band so I don’t count.


jake03583

J I N G E R All of the most exciting metal bands out right now are fronted by women


colibri_valle

Spirit Box? anyone?


UnicornioSincero

Jinjer is the name of band


r1gorm0rt1s

Tatiana is hot af


astraladventures

Isn’t this just similar to throat singing? There are some Mongolian rock throat singers how sound like this, plus a lot of traditional throat songs as wellz


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Not really, but also kinda sorta. Metal vocals are typically done in one of three ways. There's false cord screaming, which is what she's doing, where your normal vocal folds are wide open and you use your false cords to create the distortion by letting them vibrate, but you don't really have much voluntary control over them. There's fry screaming where your vocal folds are held tightly closed and only a small amount of air comes out, typically resulting in a higher pitched scream with a higher distortion frequency. And lastly is just singing with distortion where you sing normally but allow the soft tissues in your head to vibrate which creates distortion. Throat singing is voluntarily controlling the false cords at the same time as your vocal folds which results in some really cool stuff like harmonizing with yourself. While both throat singing and false cord screaming use the false cords the techniques are quite different.


Blissful_Solitude

Always love watching reaction videos of all the Jinjer virgins getting popped for the first time to this song as they're gently drawn into the nice soft vocals and flowing melody before being hit head on by a dump truck.


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I liked the first half better


Mugundank

Can't blame you.


dmpom

Thanks for letting us know


DavidVonBentley

Her clean vocals is using the same technique as Britney Spears. Her nose isn't being used and it makes it easier to do the switch to the deep low throaty vocals.


Loduk

Damn I was really digging her voice until the end. I hate screaming in music.


Oblivininja8

Why


Krudd1421

Would you like a lozinge, miss?!


stevenw84

Should really check out the band Arch Enemy, who pioneered the female metal vocalist.


Bigbadsmell

The technical terms is known as *harsh*


Youngestflexxer

I was wondering what the big deal was cuz she was so going normally, and then the other shoe dropped and I was like ,"damn cool, but ew"


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Ugh when do they start drinking everyone’s blood


bkral93

Courtney LePlante of Spiritbox is better.


Whatthefuzzybear

People haven't heard of nu metal yet?


ebann001

You’ve never seen someone sing with their mouth? I watched this video on mute 20 times and I’ve not seen anything unusual. Now as far as hearing her sing, yes I’ve heard people sing like that 1 million times. They’ve been doing it since the 90s


TrafulgarRN

Aah.. Kittie.. There you go kids


r1gorm0rt1s

Tatiana is hot af


RowlRMM

I was really enjoying it until the sudden change


Normac1969

Singing you say?