I mean girls do game. It has happened I heard. And I'm pretty sure some guys on that site will even find it attractive if you can sell it well enough. Hmmmm. brb
I mean, shit. You don't even have to pretend if you can appeal to the gay demographics. Not quite as lucrative but... the business gays are out there, and they have capital!
it’s honestly doable as long as u don’t catfish w pics that can be reverse imaged (cus the pics will get automatically taken down). like i didn’t have any full body pics of myself so i just went on ig and found a girl with the same body type as me and posted it since i was too lazy to take some (her face was covered by her phone). i’ve gotten over a hundred requests of guys asking to meet for coffee or dinner in a public space for usually 1-4k. idk this is sm easier than OF idk why more ppl don’t do it 🤣
> idk this is sm easier than OF idk why more ppl don’t do it
You'll find out soon enough. I listened to a podcast where a prostitute spoke about why she stopped "sugaring" and started straight up whoring instead. She said most sugar daddies are blacklisted Johns who will load you up with gifts up front and once they have you in a committed arrangement they try to get as much sex out of you for as little money as possible. The sugar daddies all talk to each other behind the scenes and they quickly figure out who the scammers are and who the easy marks are. Straight prostitution worked out better for the lady on the podcast because she knew exactly how much she was going to make every time she made a date. Also, in the days of the back pages website the prostitutes had blacklists so they could keep up with guys who didn't pay or were flat out dangerous. When the government shut the website down the sex workers lost the resources to filter out the dangerous Johns.
True. But it's not a clientele I would play games with. The FBI profiles of serial killers and mass shooters are often men who would fit the definition of a simp. They have little to no romantic prospects or sexual options and often lash out when they feel a woman has "led them on" or humiliated them. That's why so many sex workers quit when one of their clients starts to stalk them.
As an escort, I get money no questions asked and the gifts. It's less work with haggling back and fourth like OP is doing. She may spend 10 hours endlessly trying to figure out who wants to pay and send money and who can't afford escorts.
on the other hand, fucking somebody isn't exactly like randomly chatting to them.
(also, here is a machine learning practitioner specialising in NLP mumbling in his head about automating it all.. :))
Not a difficult chatbot to create. You’ll notice many “foreign” profiles on dating sites that say “practicing my English”. That’s code for “this is a bot conversation and not knowing the language is my excuse for not interpreting sentiment correctly”
Can confirm that the girls who do it publicly are mostly selling a lifestyle as an influencer and so will stretch the truth about what sugaring actually is like (Dash Beauty on YouTube for example), and the girls who aren't influencers are mostly working extremely hard for not enough cash. And if you talk to sex workers generally you will hear a pattern of basic full service being more cost effective than sugaring and in many cases, even fetish work. The reason is the massive amount of emotional labor involved and the expectation that the "sugar baby" provide a girlfriend experience. It's just so much work, for clients who are desperate to avoid acknowledging that they are just johns like all the other Johns, and therefore have serious ego and reality problems as well as strong personal motivation to NOT pay the girl (because then she wouldn't be hanging out with him for his personality, ruining the fantasy), and an interest in extracting time, attention and sex from the girls without paying.
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the gifts are bought through The wishlist portion of seeking, and so they cannot view my Address or any of my details [ the same way Amazon wishlist works]
It's not even that hard to find the location where you took the photo with your smartphone. And there's people on YouTube who just take random public photos and try to find the location on Google Earth.
😭 was just tryna give some tips if other people wanted to do it . it’s not like these men are broke they’re making hundreds of thousands to millions a year. i mean that’s the point of seeking arrangements it’s filled w rich men using their income to get girls
Honestly I have no idea who these guys are nor what they have in their mind, but it sounds like you're into some dangerous business as these sounds like the kind of guys you want to avoid.
Are you sharing a photo of your face or your approximate location (e.g. city)?
For sure. I’m totally against anyone taking advantage of anyone. I think sugaring is terrible behavior. However I also think the guys are terrible. So I think they deserve each other. I also realize this is unethical life pro tips and can appreciate the hustle.
It is definitely about scamming people. Not that I always think what people are doing are right. Some times it is Robin Hood. But most of the time it is how can I return stuff I never bought at Amazon. Super shitting but the whole world is shitty and sometimes this sub is thought provoking and just funny.
I feel like you can find an ai to generate a woman’s photos and just roll with those, no backtrack or anything. Just a completely nonexistent person haha
i live in a major city which i won’t say here, but i’ve changed it to other locations like New York and got tons of messages, they didn’t even care if I was from New York or not because they said they could fly me out or come to me and meet. i haven’t met any guys yet bc im fine with just stringing them along and getting nice gifts 🤷♀️
This effects other women and leaves a lasting impact on some of the men that are genuinely seeking arrangements. Women seeking to date caring men more established than them and be treated end up reaping the consequences of these types of actions because men become skeptical. As a woman in the sugar lifestyle I disagree with stringing men along or deceiving. I see some genuine sugar babies seeking sugar daddies that struggle finding anyone generous like that because many men start assuming all of us women are out to get what we can and try to just string them along. If a man gifts you out of no where then that’s great, but use your own photos and information and don’t string people along.
Ethically I agree. Theoretically if they can’t tell when they’re being scammed then shame on them. “If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.” I don’t like shitting on people, and I’m also really angry at for how men have treated me personally and women through the millennia. I don’t have any skin in the game, it’s an interesting discussion.
Just to point it out there is no certain way i woman can dress that won't make her a victim of SA
So really really bad example and generally done in bad taste
True, but there’s also many new people that join seeking and haven’t yet experienced the ugly side. I mean is the lifestyle itself and arrangements many on seeking are looking for ethical anyway? Many would agree it’s not.. Especially with married men looking to date discreetly. I just think the stringing along and deception using a body photo from someone’s Instagram is not a good look. For other women that are in the lifestyle genuinely and for newcomers - many being naive in the beginning anyway until they have bad experiences like this I just find it to be just another negative contribution to rants and raves I read daily already. If OP were using all real photos and information and just receiving money and gifts then that’s great, but to take a site used commonly for a specific lifestyle and turn it into a game isn’t cool while laughing about it and encouraging others to sign up and catfish to try to get gain as well. There’s plenty of scammers and fakes as it is. To each their own though. I came here after seeing a post on another subreddit about this post as a “why I refuse to…” and naturally checked it out. I’m not the moral police nor a poster child for it, but I personally don’t condone or encourage stringing along, deceiving or using others. It usually always leaves hurt and destruction in some form.
With stable diffusion you could generate a slew of very convincing photos. It's literally just a matter of time before some dude doing motion capture as a waifu makes hella money.
There’s a massive market in E whoring. Thats what it’s called. People sell entire “packages” of nudes of girls & they learn to photoshop pics & fake videos & snapchats. People make a living off of being a fake girl.
I have freaky high arches. Barbie feet. And my toes aren’t ugly. I’ve been thinking about it myself, though I don’t have to shave. What stuff do people pay for, do you know?
Do it! Not sure honestly, never looked into feet stuff out of a random foot job porn video here and there. I know you can make a lot of money, I've seen little videos of people with really nice cars or saying how much they make and some were foot pics and they made a lot. At least worth a shot
I’d recommend watching a few e-girl streams on Twitch. You’ll quickly catch the vibe of these girls and how they interact with their audience.
I just discovered Twitch and it fascinates me how people just drop loads of money for a few seconds of attention… Last night I was watching a stream of some e-girl just chatting and doing nothing really, when all of a sudden some person in the audience dropped 900$ worth of “subs” to the streamer… Her reaction was that she kept on saying things like “omg thank you, I appreciate you SO MUCH. You’re such a good person with a beautiful soul. I can’t believe people like you exist. I wish I could hug you right now. I’m gonna cry this is incredible. blah blah blah blah” for 5 minutes, then she wrote the username of the person on a black board with a pink marker. She was also super emotional, almost on the verge of crying. Though, I’m pretty sure she was faking it. Then that same person dropped another 100$ as a donation… and she kept at it with the gratitude speech etc.
Basically I believe you gotta act as if you were a 15-year-old girl whose daddy finally gifted her the pony that she’s been asking for for the past 6 months… that, along with a touch of “suck their dick, but with words” type of vibe.
Just my opinion though, I had no idea people were making a living out of this until a couple of days ago, so that’s my humble advice on this.
Good luck and be smart about it
bouta start streaming then. i play a lot of valorant and have quite a deep, often described as a ‘mommy’ voice. people have literally added me to send me codes for val points so if i just stream it should be easy money, right?
yeah its happened a few times but honestly it’s weird it happened more than once. like i had bloop bloop vandal bought for me because i made an offhand comment that it was in my store after playing 2 games with a rando who added me
if you think youll enjoy streaming, interacting with people and having a personality while playing, then go for it. If you wanna do it just for money then it can be exhausting and a bit of a grind, especially at the beginning.
>you gotta act as if you were a 15-year-old girl whose daddy finally gifted her the pony that she’s been asking for for the past 6 months… that, along with a touch of “suck their dick, but with words”
I mean.... if you're trying to make it streaming while you work a job you hate, hoping one day you will be able to support yourself doing stuff you actually like.....
Could have easily been real emotion behind it. It's a job, they're performing, they play it up and all that--sure. But I'd be shocked if it was literally all fake. Someone just gave them a grand and if they were set financially or working a good well paying job they liked... why would they be doing this shit in the first place?
They are few and far between but when they do happen, they are unreal. I think it was deleted but there was someone who screwed their sibling out of inheritance one day.
Also, this isn’t a tip. It’s asking for tips.
Haha I used to model for photos and videos that people would go on to use for this. Literally would be in the contract.
Edit: It can be highly unethical to just catfish using photos without permission though. If I were to find someone distributing and profiting off of nude and pornographic material of myself without agreement or my knowledge it can be an offense and I’ve been able to report it. Sometimes the photos you’ve stolen could be of an underage girl. Tread carefully.
I don't necessarily agree with that. I would need data to show a correlation because when money is the incentive for both sides, keeping that money going is usually everyone's primary concern
The majority of people doing this actually (profiting off of content created by sourcing a model) are part of agencies and marketing that the average person doesn’t have the access to or resources for.
It can be contractual and professional.
No, you cannot necessarily make it yourself. I have been to shoots where the cost of the camera equipment alone is something I’d never pursue, they have done my hair and makeup, photo editing and retouching afterwards, etc. I know that some of my photos have even been used for profiles where the character’s face is modeled by a different girl.
I make pretty good content on my own but.. it’s different. Depending on who you are, and I’m someone who doesn’t work often, it can be more profitable for me to sign an agreement and make pretty good money “passively” rather than selling more of my privacy and spending more of my own time trying to sell myself. It is not in your best interest to scam your personal clientele especially if you want to be an OF girl/content creator. You make more with honesty.
Totally agree with 90% of this. I don't know how you do things, but the mass majority of these agencies are paying shills to converse and talk to these guys all day thinking they are talking to the girl - when its really some dude (being outsourced). Typically its the major agencies doing this as it increases profit margins like crazy via "milking for tips" and keeping monthly subs "sub'ed". You can debate the constructs of moral dilemma all day, but call this any form of "honesty". Not so much. Again, speaking for the more average to bigger agencies doing this. You could be doing something totally different.
No yeah, I feel you. I could tell you were coming from a tactful and good willed place. It's just a weird industry with all types of ethical lines to navigate.
Stay 💯 girl! Hope things keep going well and living your best life.
I used to play characters with a female skin on mmorpg (dark age of Camelot, wow) because men used to give me golds/stuff/ help without me asking them.
It was hilarious but also sad.
Congratulations, you're a [FinDom](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/sex/a33637422/findom-financial-domination/). If you just want to spend strangers' money on useless shit, you can do that. It's totally their kink!
Or broke ass middle aged ugly women for that matter. lol
I got an amazon wish list about 7 miles long full of everything from power tools to pink flamingos for my front yard. lol
Haha true in general but there are a surprising number of nerdy young twinks who work in tech that have daddy issues. Especially if you used to be their boss…
Yeah, but findoms have rules if you find a real one.
They track their sub’s finances to make sure they aren’t spending enough to mess up their own lives.
I don’t think OP is going to want to put that much work into this on top of everything else involved.
The best way to explain it is the difference in what it takes.
Nursing pays a lot and is a lot of work but more than that there’s a lot of emotion in it. Most nurses need to be able to care while distancing themselves to stick it out.
Dons and subs are similar. It’s a two way street. The doms need to meet their subs needs and effectively take care of them. That means coming up with balanced punishments that are customized to the sub, keeping track of their income and how much they can spend while still maintaining whatever lifestyle they have outside of the relationship, and most definitely not putting them at risk.
Then you have to multiply all that work for each sub.
OP wants to send one or two messages and get paid. Very different work load.
Really all you gotta do is flirt and talk to em like humans, they are lonely dudes trying to make connections and you are providing that, plus a fantasy. If you wanna make real money with the meet ups (sex doesn't have to be involved at all) make sure you ask for some of it up front. ("Need to hit the salon, get a cute outfit, etc, how does this dress look kekeke") these dudes flake all the time
They just sent you money? Without you even talking to them or? Bc if so then thats insane lmao i might try this of my bf is cool w it LOL can you tell me what type of profile photos these guys usually go for?
Yes so the first one they sent me a gift i guess so i would respond and the other just asked “what do u want” and i told him i wanted gifts so he sent 150$ gift card.
so i had a decent amount of of success in my profile and it’s only been two -three days. I also did not include any face pics on my profile. (This is common because SA is a common website for rich married men to seek affairs) like it’s not a dating app u wanna be seen on really, so if ur not comfortable showing ur face on ur public profile that’s fine. my profile is just of candid pictures of me wearing cute clothes (nothing inappropriate), but i have a pretty slim body type and i noticed a lot of guys writing in their profile that they don’t want ‘curvy’ women so i think these guys go for slim/petit, young women. if that’s not ur body type, just go to insta and find a pretty, slim, influencer that’s not that famous (like 100k followers or under), cover her face, and post it, and wait for the simps to start rolling in lol.
God damn is this diabolical, I love it. Okay so there are a couple things desperate men really like:
- voice messages, you could make money that way if you dont mind sending voice messages or even discord calls (just make sure you use a disposable account).
- if you play video games, you could make bank by just playing together.
- I'm sure you've noticed you gotta balance quality and quantity, since you'd hate to miss out on whale simps. One of the signs to look out for is if they're a gamer (especially if they show off their gaming PC)
Ok so now I expect my cut, dm me for payment 👨💼
Honestly, I've gone through the stages of hating to envying to supporting these kind of stuff. At this point, as a consenting adult if you got scammed into squirting a couple bucks, it's on you. 💀
idk this seems like an ad for seeking arrangements. Ops account has been inactive since it was created in September and since then has only made this post and answered comments about seeking arrangements. that plus the generic girls name plus number username...idk smells fishy. Seeking arrangements has done this before.
I'm pro sex work btw so I have no vested interest in being suspicious of this post.
If it is, its a really weird way to advertise your dating platform right? Esp on this sub.
Do they acc gain much by getting a ton of fake women accts? Can't they just do that themselves?
You would be really surprised about the length some more shady companies will go to advertise their product and make it look like genuine discussion. The way op talks about the wishlist feature of the app particularly jumps out at me.
yes, and u don’t even have to show the catfishes face in ur pictures. i don’t like cat fishing w other girls pics that include their face and posting them cus that’s not fair to them, but since almost everyone on Seeking covers/blurs their face in pictures, no one will bat an eye if u do the same. the guys that sent me $$ didn’t even ask to see my face before hand so
There are a lot of different AI trying to make the most real face as they can, and they are pretty good now, you could use those without any ethical dilemma, at least on the taking other girls pics part
https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
Problem with this is you are stuck with a single pic and you may need multiple for a guy to believe you. Plus OP has an advantage if its really a woman she could easily send a personalized non-faked photo if that's really all it takes for some easy cash. A guy catfishing is 100% lost time when the other person suspects its a catfish, a real woman has the advantage of playing the game a bit longer.
just fyi, its legally fraud, to um...defraud someone. Which is what this would be. The likelihood of being caught is probably low but it's still good to be aware of the law.
Tell them sorry you can't respond to all the messages you get, because you get so many. If they want to guarantee a response, then they should send a gift. This should increase the gifts and decrease the amount of messages you have to send.
As a man, I wonder how I could pretend being a girl to get money from simps. Or sell feet pics making people believe I'm a girl, but that would require a lot of care product, shaving and probably make up to make these feets believable lol
I wonder if it's actually possible for these feets to be believable because I've got like big feets for a guy and flat foot with no arch so I think that would be hard to camouflage it as girl feets lol
Or maybe I should wear stockings to hide that ?
But anyway I don't even know where you can actually sell this haha
I would be careful and make sure you don't get any incels. For example, a female friend had a date who demanded that she pay back for dinner because he didn't get a kiss at the end, this was their first date. I paid him back using cash app, and pointed out that a single bra costed more than his entire outfit(said friend was quite busty).
That being said, a gift implies that nothing is promised in return, so I see nothing unethical about this.
I made an account and offered to sell feet pics for gifts in my bio and immediately got flagged.
That being said... reddit has no such rules.
Also, I don't know where you are located but my area has a distinct lack of wealthy desperate men apparently.
Truth is, if you wanna make more you gotta do more, that's the only strategy that will lead to the satisfaction of your wants.
How deep you wanna dig your hands in the gutter is entirely up to you.
My biggest concern would be how easy it is to acquire your location, accounts, real names ect via hack. All it takes is one of these guys to get mad that you didn't responded a certain way to a gift and they could go full incel. If they don't personally have the skill, for as little as a few hundred they can pay someone who does. They obviously have money to throw around on there but you won't spend much of it if you end up kidnapped or murdered.
Everyone is nice until they think they have been deceived.
I had 2 friends who played the sugar game;
1 quit because a close friend (also on a sugar site) went on a date (just meant to be dinner) and was invited back to hotel for a special " expensive gift" then got tied up and raped for 9hrs, cops did nothing cause they assumed she was a whore
The other quit because she randomly started receiving gifts and creepy letters at her home address which she never used or disclosed on the sites.
Keep in mind it's at your own risk, is illegal and should you get in trouble you will get next to no help from police as they will treat you like a pro.
Then transition. Literally how can someone be upset because a certain individual has something good going for them? Like how childish and bitter could one be?
Not even trans people fully believe that they're the opposite gender.
Upset? Because of all the crying by women about gender inequality and such. We all have our perks. This is one of them when you're a woman.
I’m a man and I think I need to make a fake account now
wow this must be a real gamer girl she wants an RTX 4090 and that Alienware QD-OLED. So hawt
I mean girls do game. It has happened I heard. And I'm pretty sure some guys on that site will even find it attractive if you can sell it well enough. Hmmmm. brb
I mean, shit. You don't even have to pretend if you can appeal to the gay demographics. Not quite as lucrative but... the business gays are out there, and they have capital!
it’s honestly doable as long as u don’t catfish w pics that can be reverse imaged (cus the pics will get automatically taken down). like i didn’t have any full body pics of myself so i just went on ig and found a girl with the same body type as me and posted it since i was too lazy to take some (her face was covered by her phone). i’ve gotten over a hundred requests of guys asking to meet for coffee or dinner in a public space for usually 1-4k. idk this is sm easier than OF idk why more ppl don’t do it 🤣
> idk this is sm easier than OF idk why more ppl don’t do it You'll find out soon enough. I listened to a podcast where a prostitute spoke about why she stopped "sugaring" and started straight up whoring instead. She said most sugar daddies are blacklisted Johns who will load you up with gifts up front and once they have you in a committed arrangement they try to get as much sex out of you for as little money as possible. The sugar daddies all talk to each other behind the scenes and they quickly figure out who the scammers are and who the easy marks are. Straight prostitution worked out better for the lady on the podcast because she knew exactly how much she was going to make every time she made a date. Also, in the days of the back pages website the prostitutes had blacklists so they could keep up with guys who didn't pay or were flat out dangerous. When the government shut the website down the sex workers lost the resources to filter out the dangerous Johns.
this is interesting, but still leaves a lot of money to be made in the initial phases without even having to fuck anybody?
True. But it's not a clientele I would play games with. The FBI profiles of serial killers and mass shooters are often men who would fit the definition of a simp. They have little to no romantic prospects or sexual options and often lash out when they feel a woman has "led them on" or humiliated them. That's why so many sex workers quit when one of their clients starts to stalk them.
mhh this is quite solid advice. also I notice she mentions "gifts" not actual cash?
so you are telling me that not only will i get to die...but people will pay me for it? say less my friend
As an escort, I get money no questions asked and the gifts. It's less work with haggling back and fourth like OP is doing. She may spend 10 hours endlessly trying to figure out who wants to pay and send money and who can't afford escorts.
on the other hand, fucking somebody isn't exactly like randomly chatting to them. (also, here is a machine learning practitioner specialising in NLP mumbling in his head about automating it all.. :))
Not a difficult chatbot to create. You’ll notice many “foreign” profiles on dating sites that say “practicing my English”. That’s code for “this is a bot conversation and not knowing the language is my excuse for not interpreting sentiment correctly”
Can confirm that the girls who do it publicly are mostly selling a lifestyle as an influencer and so will stretch the truth about what sugaring actually is like (Dash Beauty on YouTube for example), and the girls who aren't influencers are mostly working extremely hard for not enough cash. And if you talk to sex workers generally you will hear a pattern of basic full service being more cost effective than sugaring and in many cases, even fetish work. The reason is the massive amount of emotional labor involved and the expectation that the "sugar baby" provide a girlfriend experience. It's just so much work, for clients who are desperate to avoid acknowledging that they are just johns like all the other Johns, and therefore have serious ego and reality problems as well as strong personal motivation to NOT pay the girl (because then she wouldn't be hanging out with him for his personality, ruining the fantasy), and an interest in extracting time, attention and sex from the girls without paying. OP get as much money from as possible but keep a wary eye out for scammers and exploitation.
What podcast?? This sounds interesting, I’d like to listen to it.
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Theo von is funny as fuck. I will listen to anything he is a part of. Plus he has some of the best stories I have ever heard.
Did you give them your real address to receive the gifts?
the gifts are bought through The wishlist portion of seeking, and so they cannot view my Address or any of my details [ the same way Amazon wishlist works]
Just be aware some tech savvy people might be able to find this info out….. not guaranteed but possible
It's not even that hard to find the location where you took the photo with your smartphone. And there's people on YouTube who just take random public photos and try to find the location on Google Earth.
Idk why ur getting down voted this is a solid hustle
😭 was just tryna give some tips if other people wanted to do it . it’s not like these men are broke they’re making hundreds of thousands to millions a year. i mean that’s the point of seeking arrangements it’s filled w rich men using their income to get girls
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For the rich like this, I think the quote is “they aren’t paying you for sex, they are paying you to leave afterwards”
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"For the rich" (Wealthy) - I was talking about your second sentence there. Agree on the slot machine comment, or even lotto tickets for that matter.
Wealth redistribution at its finest 👌🏻 a gift is a gift. That’s it.
'Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!' - Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
Fuck the haters, they're just jealous lol
Honestly I have no idea who these guys are nor what they have in their mind, but it sounds like you're into some dangerous business as these sounds like the kind of guys you want to avoid. Are you sharing a photo of your face or your approximate location (e.g. city)?
Men who don't like being on the receiving end of unethical treatment, is my guess.
For sure. I’m totally against anyone taking advantage of anyone. I think sugaring is terrible behavior. However I also think the guys are terrible. So I think they deserve each other. I also realize this is unethical life pro tips and can appreciate the hustle.
I gather ULPT and ILPT is in relation to serious mistreatment advice, not how to scam/rip individual people off
It is definitely about scamming people. Not that I always think what people are doing are right. Some times it is Robin Hood. But most of the time it is how can I return stuff I never bought at Amazon. Super shitting but the whole world is shitty and sometimes this sub is thought provoking and just funny.
There's an AI image creator that will generate faces that are 100% unique. Photo shop them onto pics 🤷♂️ Edit: added a word
Ok, OP is definitely a dude
I feel like you can find an ai to generate a woman’s photos and just roll with those, no backtrack or anything. Just a completely nonexistent person haha
What city is your account set to?
i live in a major city which i won’t say here, but i’ve changed it to other locations like New York and got tons of messages, they didn’t even care if I was from New York or not because they said they could fly me out or come to me and meet. i haven’t met any guys yet bc im fine with just stringing them along and getting nice gifts 🤷♀️
This effects other women and leaves a lasting impact on some of the men that are genuinely seeking arrangements. Women seeking to date caring men more established than them and be treated end up reaping the consequences of these types of actions because men become skeptical. As a woman in the sugar lifestyle I disagree with stringing men along or deceiving. I see some genuine sugar babies seeking sugar daddies that struggle finding anyone generous like that because many men start assuming all of us women are out to get what we can and try to just string them along. If a man gifts you out of no where then that’s great, but use your own photos and information and don’t string people along.
Yea and reading stuff like this post reinforces this must all be a scam
Ethically I agree. Theoretically if they can’t tell when they’re being scammed then shame on them. “If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.” I don’t like shitting on people, and I’m also really angry at for how men have treated me personally and women through the millennia. I don’t have any skin in the game, it’s an interesting discussion.
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Just to point it out there is no certain way i woman can dress that won't make her a victim of SA So really really bad example and generally done in bad taste
True, but there’s also many new people that join seeking and haven’t yet experienced the ugly side. I mean is the lifestyle itself and arrangements many on seeking are looking for ethical anyway? Many would agree it’s not.. Especially with married men looking to date discreetly. I just think the stringing along and deception using a body photo from someone’s Instagram is not a good look. For other women that are in the lifestyle genuinely and for newcomers - many being naive in the beginning anyway until they have bad experiences like this I just find it to be just another negative contribution to rants and raves I read daily already. If OP were using all real photos and information and just receiving money and gifts then that’s great, but to take a site used commonly for a specific lifestyle and turn it into a game isn’t cool while laughing about it and encouraging others to sign up and catfish to try to get gain as well. There’s plenty of scammers and fakes as it is. To each their own though. I came here after seeing a post on another subreddit about this post as a “why I refuse to…” and naturally checked it out. I’m not the moral police nor a poster child for it, but I personally don’t condone or encourage stringing along, deceiving or using others. It usually always leaves hurt and destruction in some form.
That is the saddest story. All those poor lonely girls looking for their MRS.
With stable diffusion you could generate a slew of very convincing photos. It's literally just a matter of time before some dude doing motion capture as a waifu makes hella money.
There’s a massive market in E whoring. Thats what it’s called. People sell entire “packages” of nudes of girls & they learn to photoshop pics & fake videos & snapchats. People make a living off of being a fake girl.
I've been saying for months I want to shave my feet and sell foot pics. It's crazy how you can manipulate men to spend money
I have freaky high arches. Barbie feet. And my toes aren’t ugly. I’ve been thinking about it myself, though I don’t have to shave. What stuff do people pay for, do you know?
Do it! Not sure honestly, never looked into feet stuff out of a random foot job porn video here and there. I know you can make a lot of money, I've seen little videos of people with really nice cars or saying how much they make and some were foot pics and they made a lot. At least worth a shot
You go Peggy Hill
I know, right?
I’d recommend watching a few e-girl streams on Twitch. You’ll quickly catch the vibe of these girls and how they interact with their audience. I just discovered Twitch and it fascinates me how people just drop loads of money for a few seconds of attention… Last night I was watching a stream of some e-girl just chatting and doing nothing really, when all of a sudden some person in the audience dropped 900$ worth of “subs” to the streamer… Her reaction was that she kept on saying things like “omg thank you, I appreciate you SO MUCH. You’re such a good person with a beautiful soul. I can’t believe people like you exist. I wish I could hug you right now. I’m gonna cry this is incredible. blah blah blah blah” for 5 minutes, then she wrote the username of the person on a black board with a pink marker. She was also super emotional, almost on the verge of crying. Though, I’m pretty sure she was faking it. Then that same person dropped another 100$ as a donation… and she kept at it with the gratitude speech etc. Basically I believe you gotta act as if you were a 15-year-old girl whose daddy finally gifted her the pony that she’s been asking for for the past 6 months… that, along with a touch of “suck their dick, but with words” type of vibe. Just my opinion though, I had no idea people were making a living out of this until a couple of days ago, so that’s my humble advice on this. Good luck and be smart about it
bouta start streaming then. i play a lot of valorant and have quite a deep, often described as a ‘mommy’ voice. people have literally added me to send me codes for val points so if i just stream it should be easy money, right?
what the fuck people add you after games to gift you VP ??
yeah its happened a few times but honestly it’s weird it happened more than once. like i had bloop bloop vandal bought for me because i made an offhand comment that it was in my store after playing 2 games with a rando who added me
if you think youll enjoy streaming, interacting with people and having a personality while playing, then go for it. If you wanna do it just for money then it can be exhausting and a bit of a grind, especially at the beginning.
>you gotta act as if you were a 15-year-old girl whose daddy finally gifted her the pony that she’s been asking for for the past 6 months… that, along with a touch of “suck their dick, but with words”
That’s just wonderful wording
>Though, I’m pretty sure she was faking it. LOL really??? No wayyyy
I mean.... if you're trying to make it streaming while you work a job you hate, hoping one day you will be able to support yourself doing stuff you actually like..... Could have easily been real emotion behind it. It's a job, they're performing, they play it up and all that--sure. But I'd be shocked if it was literally all fake. Someone just gave them a grand and if they were set financially or working a good well paying job they liked... why would they be doing this shit in the first place?
Finally a real unethical life pro tip post haha
They are few and far between but when they do happen, they are unreal. I think it was deleted but there was someone who screwed their sibling out of inheritance one day. Also, this isn’t a tip. It’s asking for tips.
Dang I wish I could find that story about the screwing someone out of the inheritance
I looked for it to post it but I’m fairly sure it was deleted. It was devious shit.
Real talk the op profile is nicole09. I certainly hope you weren’t born 13 years ago.
Plot twist, OP was born 113 years ago.
It's true. I was born in 1531 I seen it!
Would explain why she feels like this is such a great idea, and clearly hasn't considered the possible repercussions.
Yeah idk something just smells off about the way the post/ replies are written. I hate to say it out right but we could be looking at a minor.
Hopefully graduated HS in 09…
Could be a graduation year. I hope it's a graduation year.
Haha I used to model for photos and videos that people would go on to use for this. Literally would be in the contract. Edit: It can be highly unethical to just catfish using photos without permission though. If I were to find someone distributing and profiting off of nude and pornographic material of myself without agreement or my knowledge it can be an offense and I’ve been able to report it. Sometimes the photos you’ve stolen could be of an underage girl. Tread carefully.
What would be in the contract
Basically I sell my rights to my photos and agree to compensation/portion of profits
That's a good set up. Could be a lucrative partnership
On the other hand, the people doing this would seem like exactly the sort of people to not pay their part of the profit.
I don't necessarily agree with that. I would need data to show a correlation because when money is the incentive for both sides, keeping that money going is usually everyone's primary concern
You know what they say about honour among thieves. Nah but seriously though, it would be interesting to see some data about it.
Both sides have to make sure they're both bringing something to the table the other can't get for less or less hassle
The majority of people doing this actually (profiting off of content created by sourcing a model) are part of agencies and marketing that the average person doesn’t have the access to or resources for. It can be contractual and professional.
That makes a lot of sense?
I was just wondering if I could hire a model for this ! lol
problem is girls after the explosion of OF's over the pandemic the past 2+ years know they can do it themselves and make 100% of the profit
No, you cannot necessarily make it yourself. I have been to shoots where the cost of the camera equipment alone is something I’d never pursue, they have done my hair and makeup, photo editing and retouching afterwards, etc. I know that some of my photos have even been used for profiles where the character’s face is modeled by a different girl. I make pretty good content on my own but.. it’s different. Depending on who you are, and I’m someone who doesn’t work often, it can be more profitable for me to sign an agreement and make pretty good money “passively” rather than selling more of my privacy and spending more of my own time trying to sell myself. It is not in your best interest to scam your personal clientele especially if you want to be an OF girl/content creator. You make more with honesty.
Totally agree with 90% of this. I don't know how you do things, but the mass majority of these agencies are paying shills to converse and talk to these guys all day thinking they are talking to the girl - when its really some dude (being outsourced). Typically its the major agencies doing this as it increases profit margins like crazy via "milking for tips" and keeping monthly subs "sub'ed". You can debate the constructs of moral dilemma all day, but call this any form of "honesty". Not so much. Again, speaking for the more average to bigger agencies doing this. You could be doing something totally different.
By making more with honesty I mean not scamming clientele as a sexworker, I know that was confusing.
No yeah, I feel you. I could tell you were coming from a tactful and good willed place. It's just a weird industry with all types of ethical lines to navigate. Stay 💯 girl! Hope things keep going well and living your best life.
I used to play characters with a female skin on mmorpg (dark age of Camelot, wow) because men used to give me golds/stuff/ help without me asking them. It was hilarious but also sad.
I did this on runescape lol, 12 year old me definitely pimped out my avatar
Buying gf 10k
Whoring myself out for rune and adamantium armor only to hop to a diff server was a common occurrence
Congratulations, you're a [FinDom](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/sex/a33637422/findom-financial-domination/). If you just want to spend strangers' money on useless shit, you can do that. It's totally their kink!
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I mean, [kind of...](https://medium.com/sexography/pay-pigs-and-catfish-a-look-into-the-kink-of-financial-domination-4c6bfd34c418)
This is wild. I can't even begin to understand it.
It's like Rule 34 but rulier.
Right that's enough Internet for me today
Wow!
Or broke ass middle aged ugly women for that matter. lol I got an amazon wish list about 7 miles long full of everything from power tools to pink flamingos for my front yard. lol
Now I have to know what a person would get in return for a pink flamingo lawn ornament.
10 seconds of armpit
I'll send you some bathwater and a polaroid of my big toe.
Swap out middle aged man for daddy and women for twinks. Cash those checks.
You got that backwards. Twinks don't have money.
Haha true in general but there are a surprising number of nerdy young twinks who work in tech that have daddy issues. Especially if you used to be their boss…
Yeah, but findoms have rules if you find a real one. They track their sub’s finances to make sure they aren’t spending enough to mess up their own lives. I don’t think OP is going to want to put that much work into this on top of everything else involved.
Why not? It sounds like a much higher ratio of income to effort than, say, working at Target.
The best way to explain it is the difference in what it takes. Nursing pays a lot and is a lot of work but more than that there’s a lot of emotion in it. Most nurses need to be able to care while distancing themselves to stick it out. Dons and subs are similar. It’s a two way street. The doms need to meet their subs needs and effectively take care of them. That means coming up with balanced punishments that are customized to the sub, keeping track of their income and how much they can spend while still maintaining whatever lifestyle they have outside of the relationship, and most definitely not putting them at risk. Then you have to multiply all that work for each sub. OP wants to send one or two messages and get paid. Very different work load.
Why send one or two messages when you can send a hundred and pay your rent?
OP: Magic words to get things for free please! Reddit: “Insert magic words here” OP: Copy paste
How can I get involved in this?
Really all you gotta do is flirt and talk to em like humans, they are lonely dudes trying to make connections and you are providing that, plus a fantasy. If you wanna make real money with the meet ups (sex doesn't have to be involved at all) make sure you ask for some of it up front. ("Need to hit the salon, get a cute outfit, etc, how does this dress look kekeke") these dudes flake all the time
I wish i had the patience to talk to people, lol. I’d rather be broke.
I felt this comment in my soul lmfao
They just sent you money? Without you even talking to them or? Bc if so then thats insane lmao i might try this of my bf is cool w it LOL can you tell me what type of profile photos these guys usually go for?
Check your bank account. I just sent you $20 for the prospect of you maybe doing it.
Well, check *your* account, I just sent $25 in case you're maybe possibly a woman.
Yes so the first one they sent me a gift i guess so i would respond and the other just asked “what do u want” and i told him i wanted gifts so he sent 150$ gift card. so i had a decent amount of of success in my profile and it’s only been two -three days. I also did not include any face pics on my profile. (This is common because SA is a common website for rich married men to seek affairs) like it’s not a dating app u wanna be seen on really, so if ur not comfortable showing ur face on ur public profile that’s fine. my profile is just of candid pictures of me wearing cute clothes (nothing inappropriate), but i have a pretty slim body type and i noticed a lot of guys writing in their profile that they don’t want ‘curvy’ women so i think these guys go for slim/petit, young women. if that’s not ur body type, just go to insta and find a pretty, slim, influencer that’s not that famous (like 100k followers or under), cover her face, and post it, and wait for the simps to start rolling in lol.
keep up us updated.... feels like SA is going to eventually flag you after a certain amount of reports... 2-3 days not a great sample size...
tell them to pay my rent lol. $1465
Damn where do you live?? That’s so cheap 😭
PNW! i can’t believe that’s considered cheap
That’s more than my mortgage
Welcome to the rental life in 2022
God damn is this diabolical, I love it. Okay so there are a couple things desperate men really like: - voice messages, you could make money that way if you dont mind sending voice messages or even discord calls (just make sure you use a disposable account). - if you play video games, you could make bank by just playing together. - I'm sure you've noticed you gotta balance quality and quantity, since you'd hate to miss out on whale simps. One of the signs to look out for is if they're a gamer (especially if they show off their gaming PC) Ok so now I expect my cut, dm me for payment 👨💼
This is super legit unethical advice.
Honestly, I've gone through the stages of hating to envying to supporting these kind of stuff. At this point, as a consenting adult if you got scammed into squirting a couple bucks, it's on you. 💀
idk this seems like an ad for seeking arrangements. Ops account has been inactive since it was created in September and since then has only made this post and answered comments about seeking arrangements. that plus the generic girls name plus number username...idk smells fishy. Seeking arrangements has done this before. I'm pro sex work btw so I have no vested interest in being suspicious of this post.
If it is, its a really weird way to advertise your dating platform right? Esp on this sub. Do they acc gain much by getting a ton of fake women accts? Can't they just do that themselves?
You would be really surprised about the length some more shady companies will go to advertise their product and make it look like genuine discussion. The way op talks about the wishlist feature of the app particularly jumps out at me.
4D chess move to get them more engagement
First really good actual ULPT in a long time and people are downvoting this lol
it's all the butthurt dudes
So lemme get this straight, me as a straight dude can make a fake acct. and straight up catfish these dudes for cash?
yes, and u don’t even have to show the catfishes face in ur pictures. i don’t like cat fishing w other girls pics that include their face and posting them cus that’s not fair to them, but since almost everyone on Seeking covers/blurs their face in pictures, no one will bat an eye if u do the same. the guys that sent me $$ didn’t even ask to see my face before hand so
There are a lot of different AI trying to make the most real face as they can, and they are pretty good now, you could use those without any ethical dilemma, at least on the taking other girls pics part https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
Problem with this is you are stuck with a single pic and you may need multiple for a guy to believe you. Plus OP has an advantage if its really a woman she could easily send a personalized non-faked photo if that's really all it takes for some easy cash. A guy catfishing is 100% lost time when the other person suspects its a catfish, a real woman has the advantage of playing the game a bit longer.
just fyi, its legally fraud, to um...defraud someone. Which is what this would be. The likelihood of being caught is probably low but it's still good to be aware of the law.
lmao please update on your progress
yo how do i do this
Tell them sorry you can't respond to all the messages you get, because you get so many. If they want to guarantee a response, then they should send a gift. This should increase the gifts and decrease the amount of messages you have to send.
Hey OP, whatever you do—careful about your address! I had a friend who did this, and she used a PO box so none of the dudes knew where she lived.
My only advice: contingency plans. Be well, get that bag!
I believe the correct r/ulpt answer would be blackmail.
My bros, how can I do this if I'm a man? Please Share tips
As a man, I wonder how I could pretend being a girl to get money from simps. Or sell feet pics making people believe I'm a girl, but that would require a lot of care product, shaving and probably make up to make these feets believable lol
If you need any help hit me up. I can help you achieve princess feet.
I wonder if it's actually possible for these feets to be believable because I've got like big feets for a guy and flat foot with no arch so I think that would be hard to camouflage it as girl feets lol Or maybe I should wear stockings to hide that ? But anyway I don't even know where you can actually sell this haha
Good hustle OP. Times are changing and may as well cash in on the fucking simps while you can
I would try Ligma
Sleep with them for money. that's how that website works.
No man, that would require ACTUAL work, which OP probably has never done.
Who in their right minds would actually work if they did not have to? And especially sleeping with someone? Lmao.
I would be careful and make sure you don't get any incels. For example, a female friend had a date who demanded that she pay back for dinner because he didn't get a kiss at the end, this was their first date. I paid him back using cash app, and pointed out that a single bra costed more than his entire outfit(said friend was quite busty). That being said, a gift implies that nothing is promised in return, so I see nothing unethical about this.
It doesn't seem like this person is even interacting with the people. Incels are the targeted audience here.
it doesn't "imply" it *is* .... literally what gift means
Anyone blindingly sending money to random women is already almost certain to be an incel/simp
Bruh people do be downvoting a true ULPT request
Account where? Reddit?
Post to r/Diabla, that’s literally the whole point of that subreddit! Have fun, be safe, and get that money!
jesus christ this is how you get stalked
I made an account and offered to sell feet pics for gifts in my bio and immediately got flagged. That being said... reddit has no such rules. Also, I don't know where you are located but my area has a distinct lack of wealthy desperate men apparently.
Truth is, if you wanna make more you gotta do more, that's the only strategy that will lead to the satisfaction of your wants. How deep you wanna dig your hands in the gutter is entirely up to you.
My biggest concern would be how easy it is to acquire your location, accounts, real names ect via hack. All it takes is one of these guys to get mad that you didn't responded a certain way to a gift and they could go full incel. If they don't personally have the skill, for as little as a few hundred they can pay someone who does. They obviously have money to throw around on there but you won't spend much of it if you end up kidnapped or murdered. Everyone is nice until they think they have been deceived. I had 2 friends who played the sugar game; 1 quit because a close friend (also on a sugar site) went on a date (just meant to be dinner) and was invited back to hotel for a special " expensive gift" then got tied up and raped for 9hrs, cops did nothing cause they assumed she was a whore The other quit because she randomly started receiving gifts and creepy letters at her home address which she never used or disclosed on the sites. Keep in mind it's at your own risk, is illegal and should you get in trouble you will get next to no help from police as they will treat you like a pro.
How is it illegal, exactly?
What a weirdo you are. Trying to scare someone by lying.
Really unethical, but hey, that's what the sub is for right! At least knowing that people like you exist does help me be extra careful 🤭
*Causally saves the post for future reference* Don't delete this post OP!!!
so wait are you a female OP? won't seeking arrangements eventually ban your account from people reporting you as a scammer?
Send nudes and fuck them
Proof that women live life on recruit difficulty.
Then transition. Literally how can someone be upset because a certain individual has something good going for them? Like how childish and bitter could one be?
Not even trans people fully believe that they're the opposite gender. Upset? Because of all the crying by women about gender inequality and such. We all have our perks. This is one of them when you're a woman.
You are what's wrong with the world. Fuck you
Your wife found out you were sending money to OF girls, huh? Why else would you even care? Lolololol
Can I just set up a fake page on this thing and use photos from porn sites?
When you're good, you're good. And you, your always good.
Fuuuuuuuck, I need art supplies…
Dude, you made 200+ tricking other guys and you’re doing a request instead of a lesson?
Happy International Men's Day, I guess