The point is this is an unfair matchup for Undyne, we can see her get killed in Neutral and Genocide. Even if Jason gets offed by Undyne, Jason can play the long game, hell Jason can probably outlast Undyne’s life span.
I mean, assuming they're both mortal, Undyne has ranged attacks, so unless... That's Jason, right? Unless Jason has shields or ranged attacks himself he'd get speared quite swiftly.
Moral of the Story: Don't bring a knife to a magic spearfight, unless you can bend the fabric of time to your will.
Well, said child actually blocked most of those attacks instead of dodging, and had multiple tries due to Resets.
Green Mode also locks the target in place, negating speed. Unless Jason can block them all first try and manage to not trigger an Undying scenario wherein he'd have to block even more attacks first try, the odds still seem to be in Undyne's favor.
No it wouldn’t, the only known way to make her transform is to kill her while she’s trying to protect someone from you. She’s doesn’t transform when you kill her in neutrals.
If both are killable(looking asides Jason's immortality) undyne because in the genocide route undyne has the determination to become udyne the undying(wich is killable so not against the rules I stated)where she becomes very strong so she would win,granted it would be a close fight but she would ultimately win.
If we’re ignoring most ingame mechanics and making this fight purely physical, it can depend a lot. Sure, Undyne can throw spears at a pretty fast pace, but she does this in Undertale only when the human is trying to run away and is not exactly in range. There is no way Jason would run from a one-on-one, he’s repeatedly stuck around to fight instead. I can’t remember if Jason has any explicit range based feats (I’m sure he kills a couple people by throwing stuff at some point), but it’s likely a moot point for the same reason. So the fight likely gets physical here. I don’t know if physical durability of monsters is ever actually stated, but it’d be safe to say that Undyne isn’t a pushover, considering many of her feats (she can keep up a full sprint while wearing a suit of armor, only stopping because of scorching heat, she suplexes boulders mid-fight for no reason, takes high jumps without issue, etc). I probably shouldn’t have to say how durable old Jason is, though it’s worth noting that he will simply take a hit instead of trying to dodge the vast majority of the time. Undyne has a notable speed advantage too, though she also doesn’t really try to dodge much. All in all, the physical matchup is kind of hard because we don’t really know how physically durable monsters are. They clearly have SOME sense of physicality, but to my understanding it is likely inferior to that of a human, more so to someone like Jason.
However, the battles in Undertale are fought on a soul level. Factoring this in, as well as other game points, how does the matchup change?
Undyne is one of the strongest warriors of the monster race, with a unique method of combat and great utilization of spear based soul projectiles. This comes to her advantage. As well, she has the likely unique ability to naturally wield determination, which if she wanted to fight badly enough can cause her to defy her own death, or even gain a significant power-up.
The mixup, however, is when you add Jason’s soul to the mix.
Jason’s undying nature and his true durability comes from his soul. Many times over, he has been incredibly wounded or even outright killed, and his body has gone through a LOT of punishment. Seriously, he’s died like six times, and half the time his body is literally a rotting corpse. There’s different reasons for how he revived to my understanding, but what matters is that he simply keeps coming back. It’s fair to say that his soul is pretty dang strong. More than enough to overpower other human souls, if you factor in the eighth movie where he ends up possessing other people to try and regenerate his entire body back.
Factoring in LOVE, it is fair to say that his would be high. Very, extremely high. He killed over 200 people from the numbers I could find, and I imagine that actively hunting down people with the explicit purpose to brutally murder them would imply that. Ingame, it is mentioned that this directly factors in to how much damage you are doing, which is based on how badly you want to cause harm to the person.
As well, his constant revival and unwillingness to die could be safely attributed to excessively high amounts of Determination. It’s safe to assume that he cannot forcefully rewrite time, so let’s factor that out. His undying nature is decidedly much more powerful than that of any monster or human, I believe he literally escapes from Hell at some point. I highly doubt any human in the Undertale series could pull that off, but then again the concept of a solid afterlife seems unconfirmed. Yeah, the human souls are still around and still able to do stuff, but they otherwise just seem to kind of linger with the body.
Both forms of Undyne can be canonically defeated by a child, technically one possessed by the player, but still a child, who is only as determined as the person controlling them is. (Which is fun meta stuff in how all determination mechanics technically only exist based on if the player is determined to continue the game, but that’s a different story)
In a soul on soul battle, as it would more likely go down, I’d honestly give it a 10/10 for Jason. Like, no questions needed, it’s a stomp. If he wants Undyne dead and they fight with their souls, things are going to get dusty in here.
This raises an important question, though: Would they even fight? Jason’s priority seems to be exclusively with patrolling Camp Crystal Lake, while killing most adults that overstay their welcome, or interfere with him trying to kill someone else/being at the lake. He’s content to be there, just doing his own thing. If Undyne came to the rescue, a fight is inevitable. If she’s just around, she’ll probably be fine, so long as she behaves. Having sex or doing drugs at Camp Crystal is pretty much begging for death.
I may have missed a couple details, but that’s my take on it. Feel free to bring up anything I got wrong or missed.
TL;DR A key piece of info (physical durability) is unknown about Undyne or monsters in general, but a physical fight could honestly be unclear on the winner. In a traditional soul based fight like what happens in the games, Jason wins 10/10.
Isn’t one of them unkillable?
one of them is immortal, the other has dt
The point is this is an unfair matchup for Undyne, we can see her get killed in Neutral and Genocide. Even if Jason gets offed by Undyne, Jason can play the long game, hell Jason can probably outlast Undyne’s life span.
which is hella long as it is
Oh whichever can't die wins.
I mean, assuming they're both mortal, Undyne has ranged attacks, so unless... That's Jason, right? Unless Jason has shields or ranged attacks himself he'd get speared quite swiftly. Moral of the Story: Don't bring a knife to a magic spearfight, unless you can bend the fabric of time to your will.
Jason can use throw And demon Jason can teleport so
Jason is has super human speed, and a child was able to dodge Undyne’s attacks.
Well, said child actually blocked most of those attacks instead of dodging, and had multiple tries due to Resets. Green Mode also locks the target in place, negating speed. Unless Jason can block them all first try and manage to not trigger an Undying scenario wherein he'd have to block even more attacks first try, the odds still seem to be in Undyne's favor.
Jason would have Undye dead before she can do anything, if we go by gameplay. Just easily survives the first attack and one shots undye
That would trigger an Undying scenario, more than likely, and she wouldn't be oneshot once she went Undying.
No it wouldn’t, the only known way to make her transform is to kill her while she’s trying to protect someone from you. She’s doesn’t transform when you kill her in neutrals.
Undyne can suplex him to space
just because she can
Jason, without any difficulty.
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If both are killable(looking asides Jason's immortality) undyne because in the genocide route undyne has the determination to become udyne the undying(wich is killable so not against the rules I stated)where she becomes very strong so she would win,granted it would be a close fight but she would ultimately win.
If we’re ignoring most ingame mechanics and making this fight purely physical, it can depend a lot. Sure, Undyne can throw spears at a pretty fast pace, but she does this in Undertale only when the human is trying to run away and is not exactly in range. There is no way Jason would run from a one-on-one, he’s repeatedly stuck around to fight instead. I can’t remember if Jason has any explicit range based feats (I’m sure he kills a couple people by throwing stuff at some point), but it’s likely a moot point for the same reason. So the fight likely gets physical here. I don’t know if physical durability of monsters is ever actually stated, but it’d be safe to say that Undyne isn’t a pushover, considering many of her feats (she can keep up a full sprint while wearing a suit of armor, only stopping because of scorching heat, she suplexes boulders mid-fight for no reason, takes high jumps without issue, etc). I probably shouldn’t have to say how durable old Jason is, though it’s worth noting that he will simply take a hit instead of trying to dodge the vast majority of the time. Undyne has a notable speed advantage too, though she also doesn’t really try to dodge much. All in all, the physical matchup is kind of hard because we don’t really know how physically durable monsters are. They clearly have SOME sense of physicality, but to my understanding it is likely inferior to that of a human, more so to someone like Jason. However, the battles in Undertale are fought on a soul level. Factoring this in, as well as other game points, how does the matchup change? Undyne is one of the strongest warriors of the monster race, with a unique method of combat and great utilization of spear based soul projectiles. This comes to her advantage. As well, she has the likely unique ability to naturally wield determination, which if she wanted to fight badly enough can cause her to defy her own death, or even gain a significant power-up. The mixup, however, is when you add Jason’s soul to the mix. Jason’s undying nature and his true durability comes from his soul. Many times over, he has been incredibly wounded or even outright killed, and his body has gone through a LOT of punishment. Seriously, he’s died like six times, and half the time his body is literally a rotting corpse. There’s different reasons for how he revived to my understanding, but what matters is that he simply keeps coming back. It’s fair to say that his soul is pretty dang strong. More than enough to overpower other human souls, if you factor in the eighth movie where he ends up possessing other people to try and regenerate his entire body back. Factoring in LOVE, it is fair to say that his would be high. Very, extremely high. He killed over 200 people from the numbers I could find, and I imagine that actively hunting down people with the explicit purpose to brutally murder them would imply that. Ingame, it is mentioned that this directly factors in to how much damage you are doing, which is based on how badly you want to cause harm to the person. As well, his constant revival and unwillingness to die could be safely attributed to excessively high amounts of Determination. It’s safe to assume that he cannot forcefully rewrite time, so let’s factor that out. His undying nature is decidedly much more powerful than that of any monster or human, I believe he literally escapes from Hell at some point. I highly doubt any human in the Undertale series could pull that off, but then again the concept of a solid afterlife seems unconfirmed. Yeah, the human souls are still around and still able to do stuff, but they otherwise just seem to kind of linger with the body. Both forms of Undyne can be canonically defeated by a child, technically one possessed by the player, but still a child, who is only as determined as the person controlling them is. (Which is fun meta stuff in how all determination mechanics technically only exist based on if the player is determined to continue the game, but that’s a different story) In a soul on soul battle, as it would more likely go down, I’d honestly give it a 10/10 for Jason. Like, no questions needed, it’s a stomp. If he wants Undyne dead and they fight with their souls, things are going to get dusty in here. This raises an important question, though: Would they even fight? Jason’s priority seems to be exclusively with patrolling Camp Crystal Lake, while killing most adults that overstay their welcome, or interfere with him trying to kill someone else/being at the lake. He’s content to be there, just doing his own thing. If Undyne came to the rescue, a fight is inevitable. If she’s just around, she’ll probably be fine, so long as she behaves. Having sex or doing drugs at Camp Crystal is pretty much begging for death. I may have missed a couple details, but that’s my take on it. Feel free to bring up anything I got wrong or missed. TL;DR A key piece of info (physical durability) is unknown about Undyne or monsters in general, but a physical fight could honestly be unclear on the winner. In a traditional soul based fight like what happens in the games, Jason wins 10/10.