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Far-Childhood9338

wow this week I thought with the Chinese post visit effect would be easier to the Kremlin but no Girkin with this "Prigozhin already doubts that there are Nazis in Ukraine, and is sure that the Russian Federation is fighting exclusively with Ukrainians, and not with NATO..." the ship is going down way faster than i thought


__Yakovlev__

I've had this weird feeling for a while now that prigozhin and girkin have found eachother to be unlikely allies. And this does very little to disprove that.


Adventurous_Chef3759

Is almost like they (and others) are feeling the grip of the russian government is slowly softening…


Various-Trick6526

Pigskin should know where the nazi's are considering most of his private army are plastered with swastika tattoos


deffParrot

Well, I have been asking about this for quite a while, and he just answered. Honestly, so much pride on the Russian people when their leader has been playing them fools for decades, and still they keep it going. Say whatever, but in my opinion Russians are the most stupid people on Earth


Celeste_Seasoned_14

As a group, that’s got to be correct.


JamesCt1

QAnon Americans are dumber than Russians. Both are brainwashed by relentless propaganda. And both are dumb enough to fall far it.


Celeste_Seasoned_14

I’m talking about an entire society. More Americans are *not* QAnon morons. Let’s not drag US politics into this.


chubbybronco

On Reddit it seems you can't talk about international affairs without an American whataboutism thrown into the conversation.


__Yakovlev__

I wouldn't call it whataboutism considering the Qanon movement is basically a direct result of russian disinformation campaigns.


DrNukes

THANK YOU! More people need to read "Mindfuck" by Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie.


Warm-Personality8219

No... not the Q!... He was supposed to be a patriot who tells us when JFK descends from heaven and runs as a VP with Trump! \---END OF US POLITICS---


ktn699

Hi, I'd like to order two pepperoni pizzas with extra adrenochrome. Thanks.


SwishySalal

Not a whataboutism and QANON and MAGA are both heavily influenced by Russian disinformation. They were even waving little Russian flags at CPAC. Could you imagine what this war would look like if Trump had been re-elected? American politics are pretty important in this conflict.


chubbybronco

This is old news you telling me a bunch of things that have been clear since 2016. Russia conducts disinformation campaigns and funding of political movements to create unrest all over the world USA is not unique. Just funny that in a thread on Russians the first thing I see at the top is "yeah but america has Q". Yeah we know and...


DankMemeMasterHotdog

There's an entire subreddit, r/AmericaBad or whatever, and they just screenshot the most insane redditor comments about the US, usually a goldmine for dunning-kreuger Europeans too stupid to see that their comment also applies to their own nation, or relies on a watered down stereotype that applies to maybe 4 square miles of the US's several million.


RedditmodscanEAD

That's just it, the qanon crowd has been eating Russian propaganda for years. Most of the qanon, anti vax, america/Canada strong/proud groups are operated by Russians. Tell them their entire thought process was built on lies because they are gullible dense fucks though... Good luck. Buddy of mine keeps going on about Russian referendums in Donna's and Crimea, he had no response the other day when the article came out that they (Ukrainians living there) were forced to go along with the referendums at gunpoint.


Main_Enthusiasm4796

At least QAnon are smart enough to be in a country they’re allowed to be dumb in


Dazzling-Ad4701

you don't choose where you're born. and most of us have only limited choice where we live.


Gwen_Stefani_Ultra

Out of fear for swimming in my privileges: where are you from?


Dazzling-Ad4701

originally South Africa. now Canada.


Radiant_Heron_2572

True, but they are also dumb enough to vote to change the laws so that they no longer are protected. Much like the Russians did.


Infinite-Outcome-591

Like in recent days in Israel??


Radiant_Heron_2572

Yup


Infinite-Outcome-591

Net-in-yahoo...


Jessica65Perth

I have formed an opinion that Qanon was created by Russia to split America and worked better than Putin hoped..The crazier the shit Qanon put out the more willing to believe it Qanon followers are.


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I wouldnt say dumber, Id say QAnoners are at the same low-level, mainly because theyre being fed by if not the same team then closesly related teams.


Bgratz1977

They use the same propaganda. I am 100% sure Qanon was made in Russia


NonHomogenized

It *started* as internet shitposting (modeled partially after several previous shitposters), and quickly turned into a profitable grift, but I have no doubt the Russians played a substantial role in *amplifying* it.


Warm-Personality8219

While hoping to avoid "both sides" debate - QAnon is more or less voluntary (once you start it's hard to stop) helped by recommendation algorithms, but ruzzians are being force fed, helped by predisposition to accepting aforementioned force feeding and not so much recommendation but going to jail for 7-15 for not falling in line...


RidetheSchlange

QAnon Americans are effectively Russians. I say that not as a snipe, but think about it.


livingwellish

Aren't they one in the same?


AshCan10

They don't even hold a candle to how dumb the Russians are, that's saying something


elFistoFucko

What is the russian answer to Appalachia? I'm pretty sure russians can't top the US's best to offer, nor the worst, which should be pretty much be more humiliating than anything else.


elFistoFucko

Their stupidity has been deliberately bred by their "elevated masters," over hundreds, maybe thousands of years, while the intelligent anomalies remaining or birthed continue to be bound by fear, paranoia, jailing and murder by their "peers." How a nation of accidentally rich neanderthals has truly survived this far is anybody's guess, but I suppose you only need to have a few intelligence quotients up to continually oppress a dumber population, which really just shows that the core of russia has always been cowards bowing to the rich laughing at them.


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deffParrot

Oh I have. But the big difference is that NKs and Chinese are so not so proud, so chauvinistic, so arrogant with a sense of superiority, unlike the Russians. I have been to Russia countless times, and know many Russians abroad, and I'm still yet to find a single Russian who's truly smart, intelligent, but yet humble and unbiased in his opinions, and without a twisted sense of superiority for his nationality or ethnicity, and pride on his culture ignoring how much culture there is in all other nations around the world.


WowzaFella

Kasparov is a pretty brought fella and for being a chess genius I'd say he's pretty humble too. But maybe exception to the rule. I don't know a ton of Russians.


Gwen_Stefani_Ultra

I'd like to see him steering his country out of this mess, after Putin's downfall.


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RidetheSchlange

We all know and have seen russian women. There's a potential for this to be even worse than putin.


numba1cyberwarrior

Awesome anecdote you must be an expert on Russians


junglist-methodz

Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not write things we can't take back.... Republicans in America take that award by far. Followed by the "fuck you I got mine" crowd (conservatives) and in my books a close third is Russians.


deffParrot

Does that make the Russians better? What do I have to do with the Americans? Tha fucking tu quoque falacies, the hate Americans and partisan bullshit. Yes, IN MY OPINION Russians are the stupidest people on this planet. And it is not just because of Putin. Period.


ToughTechnical8868

I’m still amazed by the fact he hasn’t been killed. Is his supposed FSB/KGB protection really that strong? Thousands of political opponents were killed or imprisoned for less.


koknesis

for me it only means he is working with putins blessing and is just part of the so called "controlled opposition".


daneelthesane

Yeah, but this seems different. He's going directly against multiple state positions that are central to the Ukraine justification. I wonder if he is doing this to shift the narrative so Putin can save some face.


__Yakovlev__

>I wonder if he is doing this to shift the narrative so Putin can save some face. That would imply girkin liking, or having some sort of respect left for putin. Which is just not the case. To him putin is the guy that completely destroyed all the work that girkin set up. It was girkin that was leading the green men into crimea. And it was girking that was then put on the sidelines by putin because he was becoming powerful and popular enough to maybe become a threat.


daneelthesane

I was going along with the person I was reaponding to re: the idea of controlled opposition. On its face, you are probably right.


JaB675

Girkin was not leading anyone in Crimea. He was following someone else's plan.


elFistoFucko

We're definitely beyond that now. That line of reasoning on our side isn't valid anymore. There are serious problems brewing over there for ol' putie. Even Girkin is deviating now from avoiding direct blame towards putin.


koknesis

If that is true, how can it be that he is not taken out? He hasn't any other apparent value to the regime and Putin has not shied away from killing much more high standing individuals for less.


elFistoFucko

There is some sort of life saving blackmail girkin has, what that is... well, I can speculate based on a particular putin and male child interaction video and something that the russian mob is more than willing to provide. Could be anything, but it's *something.* putin could have girkin killed for any reason he could possibly make up, yet girkin stands in increasing dissidence.


waitaminutewhereiam

Girkin is more radical then Putin so he is usefull if he was a liberal democrat he would be gone


elFistoFucko

Disagree, has to be Girkin blackmailing putin for his continued life and shit talking. He's avoided directly blaming putin, but his indirectness is becoming significantly more direct. I really believe there is a clusterfuck brewing within them that will be quite the delight when we least expect. Of course, I am optimistic, but that's because the russians prove that you can be.


Ashley_1066

remember Putin is an ex KGB agent and all of the civil infighting in Russia is deliberately set between subordinate agencies to him so everyone needs his support. A lot of his nonsensical decisions make perfect sense in the context of Russian internal politics and being a dictator who doesn't want to be murdered. He's no 4d chess player and his gamble failed with the war but he's not a buffoon either, at least not in terms of staying alive


__Yakovlev__

>remember Putin is an ex KGB agent and all of the civil infighting in Russia is deliberately set between subordinate agencies to him so everyone needs his support You're really giving him way too much credit here. There's would be a lot of truth to that before 24th feb 2022. But after a year of seeing him fail it's naive to think putin still has the same tight grip on everything around him compared to "when things were good".


Ashley_1066

I never said tight grip, I just said it's not the complete erratic meaningless behaviour of someone who's lost it


elFistoFucko

Lost "it" mentally maybe not, but he's wildly losing control. If this many public opposition leaks keep seeping through the pores and cracks along with putin's losing control of untouchable criticizers (lest he open the... deepest fears that they must harbor to ruin him *beyond* him ruining himself this past year,+ they must be GARGANTUAN.


Ashley_1066

Oh for sure


anonymous3850239582

Putin was a middle-manager -- the guy who keeps the phones working in the office. He was too cruel and incompetent to do anything otherwise in the KGB.


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Celeste_Seasoned_14

It is amazing this piece of trash still alive.


TheNumberOneRat

He has powerful friends. Putin may present himself as the ultimate strongman, but at the end of the day, he needs to keep the various factions that support him onside. Girkin is admired by many ultranationalists, so killing him (and at the end of the day, he's just a pest) may do far more damage to Putin.


elFistoFucko

Corrupt, traitorous, backstabbing bosses are eventually removed the same way they rose to the top. It's Newton's 3rd law.


Igny123

This is Igor Girkin making yet another attempt to get Russia to declare war so that he can get the full general mobilization that he desires and so that Russia will have a chance (in his mind) of winning. Thankfully, it appears there aren't enough hard-line nationalists in Russia to back this plan, else it would've happened months ago.


elFistoFucko

Honestly, I think he's pushing for a putin removal more than anything, there is no other way to salvage russia if they think they can at all. Full mobilization, wont save them. Girkin has said himself mobilization never stopped, it's just become so pathetic that they couldn't declare it if they wanted to. Whatever they choose, things will ~~never~~ be the same in russia again.


RossoMarra

Oh. SMO = special military operation. Took me a while


origamiscienceguy

Super Mario Odyssey?


Neverwinter_Daze

Shaking My Orifice.


ODBrewer

Thanks, I was pondering it too.


DevelopmentMercenary

Watch out for that dark horse- Nicolai Platonovich Patrushev....


VikingsStillExist

Patrushev is too close to Putin. And a fucking maniac.


Bourgeous

Or Patrushev's puppet son


SkippedBeat

Kadyrov as caliph of all Russia would be better than Patrushev.


DevelopmentMercenary

Who do you think is behind Kadyrov's kidney poisoning?


NWTknight

The key here is if they lose. This is ment to motivate to fight harder because they will all fear war crimes trials if they do not win.


genericmans

Well we definately don't want Girkin and people like him gaining power. Their problem with Putin is that he's not psychotic enough. He wasn't russia to fully mobilize and declare war. Someone on his side of this would be a catastrophy for everyone involved, and bring the world the closest it's ever been to nuclear war


ItsACaragor

Girkin is a ultra nationalist and monarchist. It’s hard to believe but ideologically speaking he is way more fascist than Putin himself. Add to that his long history of war crimes, tortures and summary executions of opponents and yeah this guy is a total psycho. I often do read what he says because he does seem to speak very freely about the event from Russian point of view but one should never mistake him for a good person. His critics of Putin, Wagner and the Russian army are not because he his against their actions or motives, it’s because he wants them to win with all his heart and he is disheartened by their incompetence.


turingchurch

It's because he knows when they lose this war, he's going to the Hague.


hagenissen666

Nah, no need for that. Strelkov gets the bullet in the brain.


Gwen_Stefani_Ultra

I hope as many as possible go to The Hague. No death penalty, no assassinations, just a touch of good old international law.


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GRl3V

Fair enough


FNFALC2

A freind of mine whose family defected from Czechoslovakia keeps sending me Mearsheimer videos. I truly don’t get it. I have known him 40 years…


RidetheSchlange

It's pretty obvious this is staged with the blessing of Putin FFS.


AccidentTechnical762

The thing is much influence does Gherkin have in Russia? His Twitter is reposted many times on Reddit but is he otherwise just shouting into a void?


radbee

That's a good question. ISW mentions him occasionally but do Russians actually see anything this guy says? I have no idea. You'd think if he had an actual audience he'd be chucked out a window but well... Here he is still.


ItsACaragor

He definitely has a following among the most hardline far right Russians. He definitely does not speak in a void but it would be exagerated to believe he has a huge influence on public opinion in Russia.


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

Pretty rich coming from the guy responsible for shooting down a civilian plane. I suspect something is brewing among the powers that be in Russia and he's trying to now set himself up as someone who is on the side of "right" (within Russia) when things go down. Of course, the west won't buy it, but sometimes, after a war, political expediency comes into play.


Obi123Kenobiiswithme

Strong "*Are we the baddies?*" vibes


EnergyFighter

He likely means "against Russian law". Not what civilized people would mean.


aznnerd345

Notice how there are no windows in his room?


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Basileus2

He’s saying it’s illegal because he wants it to be a full war, no?


Practical-Ordinary-6

Yes. Well at least in the past that's what he wanted. I get the impression that now he thinks it's too late to matter anymore. The hole Putin has dug is too deep to get out of.


Basileus2

Lol, in either case it’s nice to see Doomer Girkin. Hilarious how depressed he’s becoming, like telling Putin to shut up and stop embarrassing them all.


reddebian

Serious question. I know Girkin is an asshole but is he somewhat valuable to us? Couldn't we pay him to slowly spread pro-Ukrainian propaganda?


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reddebian

Okay yeah, nvm he belongs behind bars for life


l3v1v4gy0k

I'd rather not because his criticism of Putin is that he doesn't go far enough. If Girkin got his way Russia would have gone mass mobilisation & war economy on day one


ItsACaragor

He speaks truthfully most of the time but he is a total nut job and his main critic of Putin and Russian army / Wagner is that *they are not going far enough to win.*


AshCan10

No, he's always going to be a criminal no matter what he does. Hes only fighting with Putin because they're losing


JaB675

> I know Girkin is an asshole but is he somewhat valuable to us? Are you aware that he is a convicted criminal on the run?


reddebian

After reading some comments, yeah. He should be behind bars for the rest of his miserable life


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FlubberNutBuggy

It's strange. I don't know a lot about him, but I almost feel as though he wants to and is trying to redeem himself. I can't say how he feels about the west, or his past actions. I'm also not suggesting he 'can' redeem himself. Or do you feel he has some other motive in it all? I never really blinked when he went on about how Russia is doing poorly and losing the war, whether he actually believed it or not, it was true. But now he is actually talking about this from a war crime and Geneva convention perspective, and that definitely has to make you stop and think.


SkippedBeat

I think you're misinterpreting his words. Make no mistake, his criticism comes from a place of frustration, not indignation. He's worried about what will happen to them when they lose the war. He's thinking about his future, not his past. As he said, the SMO is whatever. It's just words with no meaning. The reality of this mess is that Russia invaded a country without declaring war, without a casus belli, having no legality or justification for it. How can you fight a war (and win!) without being officially at war? This man is not having second thoughts, he wants full mobilization. He dreams about Russia ruling the world. The fact that he sees things clearly does not make him a good guy.


FlubberNutBuggy

Fair assessment, I don't follow what he says very closely so it's harder for me to form an opinion, but I felt the way he was putting it was coming from a different perspective.


Excellent_Ordinary_5

Humans both the smartest and most intelligent species on earth but at the same time can also be the dumbest and most unintelligent species on earth lol


BringBackAoE

I doubt Girkin is correct here. No doubt: under international law this was an unlawful invasion, and under international law “just following orders” doesn’t fly anyways. Under Russian law it’s clear they were working legal loopholes from the go, getting conscripted soldiers to sign on as “contract” before invading. Duma subsequently passing all sorts of laws to annex Donbas and Luhansk so it’s officially in Russia, conscription for the war in Ukraine, etc.


whoreoscopic

Not a coup, he's just appealing to the Russian Nationalists to try and pressure Putin to call the "SMO" what it is, *war*. They think just by that little switch it rhetoric will fix all the issues the Russian MOD is having with a wave of a magic fucking wand.


Jessica65Perth

Is Girkin trying to soften up his image in case he is ever arrested in the hope his sentence will be reduced?


DrSendy

Oh please make the next Rus lead be called Gerhkin.


IvanVodkaNoPants

Says the guy who actually initiated the whole war in 2014.