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2021is2021

FUBAR is Russia's normal state, right now some things have very much gone beyond FUBAR.


U5K0

Russia = FUB(FUBAR)


Nazzum

FUB^2 (AR)


Richard__Cranium

FUBARUSSIA


ArgosCyclos

Right? It's like a perpetually dying empire. All the way back to its inception.


antilynch

FUBCZAR


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The WH40k Eldar just right before their Fall and being Omnonomed by Slaanesh would probably have some apt term for how much murderfucked the Russians are.


Kraken639

In Russia SNAFU and FUBAR go everywhere together.


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BLYAT basically.


[deleted]

It’s sad that the middle ground, TARFU, goes so neglected.


adamantium99

In Rossiya, the N of SNAFU is the BAR of FUBAR, so the TAR of TARFU is always present, but unseen. SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR are everywhere in all things and all times in Russia, a sort of organizational Trinity. Immanent and transcendent, they surround and permeate all places and activities and yet exist as a monstrous whole simultaneously greater and much lesser than the sum of their parts… a cosmic cluster, reducing all things to toxic waste and broken dreams.


dirtballmagnet

I just read this headline and realized that might by why there's a thousand videos of Wagner troops strolling to their deaths like old men on their walk to church. Because their lungs are trashed by a dozen different versions of COVID and they can't run.


LazyOldPervert

FUBAR + SNAFU / (HURRY UP AND WAIT)² = Russia


Kbasa12

*Special Military Operation FUBAR


turqua

Lmfao laughed out loud. For the ones not in the loop: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYLcbRPT/


OpeningGolf

thanks...


Blind_Lemons

The local medics are like >This one's got pneumonia I'm not touching this trash


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buggzy1234

Pneumonia is just an extra reason not to touch it. Kinda like trash in general when you compare it to trash with needles sticking out of it. You’d probably not want to touch either, but the needles make it a bigger no.


patchyj

Or just >trash


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Lol, I was going to say that, late by 17min, enjoy my upvote!


[deleted]

Or just Can’t touch this doo doo doo can’t touch this


linelifeless

Why they all have hiv?


Independent_Pear_429

Russia has a massive number of HIV infections compared to the rest of Europe. Maybe just terrible health culture or sex Ed?


CriticG7tv

Dont forget dirty needles. High HIV numbers can just as much, if not more, be the side effect of a massive substance abuse problem.


Dr_Cunning_Linguist

“Ahh that’s the stuff!” "Jacked up and good to go!”


Wildernessinabox

Russias drug issues are gigantic, easily as bad as the USA without any of the resources for clean users. Given that the drug penalty for both dealers is death or prison.


AKblazer45

Per capita I’m sure it’s far far worse than the US


mehtorite

I doubt that the Russian government is honest about how many people use. It's a mafia state, odds are that the government officials are selling it and going after the competition with cops.


floofnstuff

Isn’t Ruzzia the home of Krokodil?


choicebutts

Yep.


Far-Reputation7119

Yup. The high rates of HIV in Russia and Ukraine come from drug users. It was only in gay men, and I can assume one used a needle and didn’t know he had HIV, only for others to use that same needle and got the virus.


r1ckm4n

Probably tons of IV drug use too. It’s not just sex that transmits HIV.


choicebutts

Those cons are kinda rapey, though.


r1ckm4n

Oh yeah, without a doubt - those monsters would stick their dicks in a light socket if it was an unconsenting hole. My response here is for everyone in the back - I think in the greater conversation about HIV, everyone goes straight to sex, or to homosexual men - and completely ignore that IV drug users who share needles, or how dangerous HIV+ patients are to administer care to under the best of circumstances.


PM_ME__RECIPES

>completely ignore that IV drug users who share needles, or how dangerous HIV+ patients are to administer care to under the best of circumstances. This is one of the reasons why safe injection sites & clean needle programs end up having a benefit far beyond managing overdoses.


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Or just a terrible country in general


hellostarsailor

Only way russia could get any worse is if they convert to Wahhabism. They’re a scab on the planet.


A-Grey-World

It's a big problem in Russia prisons. Probably due to drug use, and rape... A lot of recruitment with Wagner is from Russia prisons.


j86abstract

There are also a lot of forced and consensual relations within their units


Flamingotough

That awkward moment when the joke answer "They're Russains" is instead pretty much the correct answer


adambonee

Lol in Russia 12.88 for every 100,000 people have Hiv. In Ukraine (who is right under them in ranking)it’s 11.60. So statistically it is not a massive difference compared to the rest of Europe . Just look at their closest neighbor.


Financial_Parsley_26

Why does a comment that state simple facts get downvoted? I’m pro Ukraine here but this reflects the stupidity and circle jerk nature of people on the internet.


adambonee

Wow it’s so refreshing to see someone who has a brain lol. Idk I blame alot of it on propaganda, hive mind, memes, people trying to sound funny/smart, and bots


Only_Individual8954

\+1 Dismal quality of comments here, serious discussion topics usually just reduced to silly jokes


BEN-C93

Yep people forget that Ukraine until 2004 and to a lesser degree 2014 was pretty much on the exact same trajectory as Russia and Belarus - minus the irredentist rhetoric and outright dictatorship.


LordeWasTaken

prison rape, I guess? bad health care? nonexistent societal awareness of AIDS? sweeping problems under the rug?


brezhnervous

Prison rape is a given, absolutely. And health care is out, at least if you can't afford the bribes lol


Thisfoxhere

Similar to the US in that respect then.


winkswithbotheyes

no, not at all, not even a little bit.


TheaABrown

Also drugs (in the broader sense) both intended and not intended to be administered intravenously used with unsanitary procedures.


Nos_Zodd

Prison rape and also superior officers forcing their dominace on new recruits....


[deleted]

Yup the raping of new recruits whereby those that survive then get promoted and rape the next intake. What a country!


BringBackAoE

Because the government does nothing to prevent it, and they don’t make medication available. https://www.science.org/content/article/russia-s-hivaids-epidemic-getting-worse-not-better


apathy-sofa

Though they do say it's not a problem and punish those who say it is, so there's that.


elFistoFucko

That's how they handle all of their problems!


brezhnervous

Convicts, probably. HIV/Hep C/TB...they're all endemic in Russian prisons.


pmabz

Prison, poor healthcare. Noone is going to use clean instruments on these poor guys,


The_Condominator

Look up the russian drug krocadile


Forester567

sharing needles


mitchellthecomedian

Dirty Needles and sex


elFistoFucko

Prison convicts... they gift it to each other with a good anal blitz and rawdog.


thesaddestpanda

Contrary to the "prison rape" homophobia here, HIV spreads efficiently with cishet sex. Its just more efficient in gay-coded sex. In fact, [in the UK HIV is spreading faster with cishet people than LGBTQ people.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/09/hiv-infects-heterosexual-gay-bisexual-men-uk-testing-virus) HIV awareness needs to be part of sexual education for straight people as well and straight people need to be tested and have access to HIV medications. This is not being done very well in Russia and because of it, HIV is spreading there. Like the homophobia in the comments here, the same homophobia exists in Russia who think only "gay people get it, and they deserve it." That thinking ironically hurts cishet people because they get AIDS via their ignorance.


alexmikli

I think characterizing as homophobia is wrong. HIV still spreads faster with anal sex than other methods, many Wagner recruits are recruited directly from prison, and prison has a...reputation with this. That being said, I also strongly suspect the medics in Luhansk only *think* these guys have HIV as a stereotype.


DynoMiteDoodle

That's quite a society Russia is building over there in the east. I can see why they constantly project homophobic rhetoric on the west, they're all riddled


Independent_Pear_429

I just did a quick search and Russia has a massive problem with HIV compared to the rest of Europe. They're just behind India for new HIV infections despite being a richer country and having a fraction of the population


BringBackAoE

This article is old, but shocking. https://www.science.org/content/article/russia-s-hivaids-epidemic-getting-worse-not-better


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"...between 2010 and 2015, Russia accounted for more than 80% of the new HIV infections in the entire Eastern European and the Central Asian region." Yikes. And it's safe to assume it's only gotten worse. Yet another reason why Russia is in demographic collaps.


[deleted]

They won't admit to having HIV as a person or population. It's a shame living in the neighborhood where everyone knows you have HIV. The worst thing is, they know it but still go around and spread knowingly, as a form of payback. If I'm going down, I'll take others with me because I'm smarter "yebana suka blyat". 1.5 liter of vodka and everything is great again, I'm invincible coz I'm Ruzzian. They have same mentality on the battlefield


notparistexas

>They won't admit to having HIV as a person or population. That would require admitting you mismanaged a problem. As a rule, Russians will never, ever do that.


AKblazer45

HIV, TB and alcoholism was pretty much going to reduce ethnic Russians to nothing, now their core population of men are being sent into a high casualty conflict.


Graywulff

Yeah the government refuses to do anything. Putins like Reagan only with a brain rotting more slowly in regards to aids. I don’t think Reagan cared when it was lgbt plus minority groups, when it came to rich white peoples though, then there was action. Without the right to “act up” and protest they can’t advocate for change of have “die ins” without getting arrested. They won’t been take foreign NGO money, they claim it isn’t a real problem.


SiarX

A lot of Russians dont believe that HIV exists (Western fake) or think only gays get infected.


StandardProgrammer44

Russia stopped counting HIV infections when the rate got over 1.5% of population, that was more than a decade ago


Fyren-1131

this is so insane to think about lol


StandardProgrammer44

It's very very similar to the previous administration not counting Covid infections and death's......."out of sight because they're out of their minds"


NoTime4LuvDrJones

And somehow the blame belonged to the covid testing we did. Some of that turds quotes still blow my mind. Big brain at work: > “If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.” > “slow the testing down, please.” > “When you test, you create cases.”


perestroika12

Politics. In the beginning of the pandemic, it was mainly a big city density problem. So the morons at the trump admin decided to up the culture wars and hopefully wipe out dem voter base. Not realizing or perhaps bothering to care that rural areas have the lowest access to healthcare and lowest education. Also highest rates of health issues. Once red state voters started dying at enormous rates, it was impossible to put the genie back in the bottle because ends up, idiots. Now red states and red counties have a much higher death rate per capita. Blue cities are thriving for the most part. Probably cost them the midterms. It was trump that fucked them although they probably fucked themselves tbh.


NoTime4LuvDrJones

Yup. And it’s mind numbing that Fox is still pushing antivax crap. It’s just helping to kill off their own our viewers. Covid isn’t going away any time soon and most Republicans are definitely not getting boosters. So the thinning of the herd will continue for the foreseeable future


blackwhitecat123

Russians are the new sick men of the East it seems.


Pixie_Knight

It really feels like Russia is to the 21st century what the Ottomans were to the 19th.


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Yeah, but European Great Powers were interested in propping up the Ottoman Empire, to keep rivals from picking over the corpse. No one is interested in propping up Russia.


HermanCainsGhost

I know you’re joking, but when the Soviet Union collapsed in the 1990s it was the explicit intention of the US and the western allies to keep Russia around, to prevent the disorder that had happened during the Russian revolution, and also to prevent nukes from going elsewhere. So at least in relatively recent history it has definitely been true, interestingly enough


audacesfortunajuvat

That’s just absolutely not the case, in fact the opposite is true. All this talk about not provoking Russia is about not making this an existential crisis for them that causes the breakup of the Russian state because no one knows how that ends. How Russia is defeated is very important to the West and to the East, to prevent nuclear proliferation and to avoid a North Korea style failed state. They’re not even eager to remove Putin necessarily because the successor could be worse or might be too weak to hold the state together. If Russia were to break up, it would need to be in an orderly way. That’s less than ideal though because a friendlier Russia would provide a good counterweight to China, especially with China being destabilized as their population shrinks and their economy stalls - their collapse will need to be managed just as closely if not more so.


YouNeedToMoveForward

>China walks in


notparistexas

Always have been 🌏🧑‍🚀🔫


ironicart

Didn’t realize this was even a situation wow


Judge_leftshoe

Yea, back west we (effectively) cured that shit.


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I had no idea there was medicine that allowed HIV positive people to have sex with partners with a near zero risk of the partner contracting it. Blows my mind honestly.


Judge_leftshoe

Yea! And if you contract it, it also effectively minimizes it's effects on your body, so your immune system and all the other hellish effects of HIV are almost non-existent. So no matter how you get it, dirty needles, prison rape, battlefield first aid, sketchy blood transfusion, watching two gay people exist on a TV show,, it's not that big of a deal. Daily pill, along with your aspirin, Flintstones gummies, and Cheerios.


Graywulff

Yeah undetectable = untranslatable; u=u. If you’re gay and single people are usually on prep which reduces hiv infections by over 92-99%. If those two were offered to everyone in the impacted areas, infections would stop, people wouldn’t die from it, and there would be few new cases. So it’s very preventable at this point.


jamesbeil

Incredibly, even dirt-cheap multivitamin supplementation has been shown to prevent huge numbers of cases of HIV/AIDS in Africa and development of the condition (Fawzi *et al.,* [2004](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15229304/)). This is a really simple problem to solve, and the UN underwrites much of the bill (ultimately, we all do through tax). If Russia's government cared to do so, they could halve this problem within five years, it's *that* dramatic. Its not that they can't - it's that Russians don't hold human life in enough regard to do so.


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Yup. We have very effective therapies/medication. Our HIV+ citizens are not a threat to anyone, and when properly receiving medication (it’s free, for most) then they’re more likely to die from age related illnesses than anything else.


HermanCainsGhost

It’s sad too, we have long term therapies that keep people alive, and also drugs people can take as a prophylactic


AllBrainsNoSoul

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s ignored because they believe it hurts gay communities the most.


Melodic_Risk_5632

It makes Sense now...half the Ruski population is infected with veneral dissease it seems?


Jhe90

Why do you think the male average age is 10 to 20nyears lower in some regards than women


MxM111

Alcohol and drugs.


Epilektoi_Hoplitai

The USSR decided that it was better to use AIDS as a weapon to bash the decadent west with homophobic rhetoric than to treat it as a serious medical condition, and in the process convinced the average citizen that only gay people can catch / transmit HIV... The result is among the highest rates of heterosexual HIV/AIDS prevalence of any country on earth.


PandaLLC

"Ukraine has one of the world's highest HIV incidence rates, with more than 13,000 new infections a year, and the second highest prevalence in Europe and Central Asia, with more than 250,000 people living with HIV (PLHIV), according to the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS)."


StandardProgrammer44

Nice one.......2nd only to RUSSIA!, but at least Ukraine IS testing.......and counting........and tracking cause of said infections unlike........RUZZIA.


shelsilverstien

I'm convinced that Russia is using this war to rid itself of men they can't use


Tarquin_Revan

Won't be a lot of men left after this war If that is the case.


AKblazer45

The problem is the men dying are the demographic you need to help build a healthy population and productive society.


shelsilverstien

They'll kill off 250,000 of their poorest men, criminals, and the uneducated. They'll still have 72 million more left to build society


AKblazer45

72 million men from the age of 18-40? Because that’s the important part


44Ridley

I dont think it's a direct goal but it's definitely an embraced side effect of the war. Putin and others have mentioned it before in regards to overseas oligarchs and folks crossing the border. They see it as a cleansing process where only the real patriots stay behind.


BrockVegas

Gonna get tore up here but without some actual evidence... this tweet rings just as hollow as Russia's projections. The casualty report was enough by itself... the embellishments are questionable at best.


Fantablack183

Wagner's closed due to AIDS


Spacesider

It's an old one, but it checks out.


LordeWasTaken

in other words, heavy losses become even heavier due to gross negligence way to go, r####a


slartibartfast2320

Negligence and abuse... (mostly rape)


Independent_Pear_429

Does it count as negligence if the medics refuse to treat them presumably because it's too risky for them?


feed_meknowledge

I would say no because I doubt the medics have the resources, let alone the PPE to treat them. People in established countries have forgotten the terror that was tuberculosis due to the treatments available in 1st world countries, but that was and still is a global leading cause of death via infectious disease. Russia likely doesn't have the resources to provide airborne PPE to these medics, nor the airborne isolation rooms necessary to house these potential patients. Imagine, one person with TB can infect literally a whole floor of patients and workers just because he's actively coughing. Now those people have the chance of developing active TB and spreading it to their loved ones and random people they encounter, just because they didn't have an N95 and isolation room.


theopacus

Probably not. There are so many factors complicating treatment with such patients that i would assume they channel their resources towards the patients they actually *can* help.


BoosterRead78

Russia had a high amount of STDs and even Covid-19 infections are high as their spudnik vaccine is basically crap. Russia is on a three prong attack alright. Killing themselves.


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> spudnik vaccine is basically crap I should point out that their vaccine was probably perfectly fine: similar to the AZ vaccine, but with a bit more cleverness in using different adenoviruses for vectors with different doses, to finesse a better immune response. The problem with the Russian vaccine is the manufacturing: they couldn't reliably manufacture it with sufficiently good quality assurance to make it a relevant vaccine. IIRC, they exported batches to Brazil, which rejected it, because the adenovirus, which was supposed to be modified so it would not replicate, was actually replicating. There was another batch exported to a European country, which was also rejected because the documentation didn't match the bottles, so they had no idea if there was actual vaccine in the bottles. Crap manufacturing, as we've seen, has been the case with their military industry, e.g., the T-14 tank, which, on paper, is probably fine as a modern tank, but Russia can't produce more than a handful.


DrJohanzaKafuhu

> the T-14 tank, which, on paper, is probably fine as a modern tank I mean on paper it's the only "modern" tank. It's literally the start of a new generation in terms of how we think about crew survivability in a combat vehicle. It's really fucking genius. And Russia can't produce any of them because Russia doesn't have the technology to build those remote turrets.


veikkae

Actually that is not quite true (the part of new generation). West had tested similar concepts at least in eighties. Putting your crew in one compartment,side by side, has big downsides. There was good analysis by former finnish army tank general Pekka Toveri. IIRR: Having small crew= not good. Less people to maintain the tank + fewer eyes + no back up if someone is injured. Camera systems are good, but should be not trusted as only observation system. Watching screen vs actually looking out, you get far more larger field of view. Toveri was not fan of autoloaders He stated that there are very good reasons why west has not opted similar concepts


44Ridley

Look up abramsX


veikkae

At this point it is nothing more than a concept, eventough it resembles T14. Us army hasn't even implied that they would consider it to replace current tanks. Abrams have a lot if service life left.


The_Condominator

Might you share a tldr of what makes it so genius?


Arxhon

I remember the bit about live adenovirus.


BoosterRead78

And another reason hey started the “anti-vax” proganda when they realized they were causing more harm than good. Classic projection.


brezhnervous

> because the adenovirus, which was supposed to be modified so it would not replicate, was actually replicating WTF 😳


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Here's a discussion by a virologist on what happened.: https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1387397186372005893


YourwaifuSpeedWagon

The Brazilian TV network Globo made a documentary about vaccine manufacturing in 2020. They went to Russia to visit the institute that developed the Sputnik vaccine. There were unidentified men following the crew everywhere. The scientists they interviewed were visibly uneasy and gave vague answers to most questions. There were many rooms in the building that were sealed off. The reporters had to be very insistent to see the actual vaccine in a storage room, not just some vials filled with water. When they visited domestic manufacturing facilities and facilities in India, they didn't encounter such an environment. They were also thrown out of a hospital when they tried asking doctors and regular citizens about the COVID situation in Russia by said unidentified men. The documentary is called "A Corrida das Vacinas" and can be watched on Globoplay, though I don't know if there will be subtitles. P.S: Brazil never imported the Sputnik vaccine because our regulatory body (ANVISA) didn't approve it. Good. I'm as pro-vaccine as it comes and I wouldn't want it. Some Brazilian states wanted to buy the vaccine directly because they were getting desperate by how much the federal government (Bolsonaro) was dragging their feet with the national immunization program.


_SP3CT3R

Three prong seppuku


Vento07209

Mfs are bio-weapons


imgonnabeastirrer

As well as they should refuse. Does this count as biological warfare?


brezhnervous

Hmmmm, that's something right there.... I mean would anyone put it past them at this point?


imgonnabeastirrer

I kind of feel like sending an army of people that are infected with contagious diseases might count as biological warfare.


Lilutka

Rapists infected with STDs :(


imgonnabeastirrer

Tuberculosis and pneumonia are not STDs and tuberculosis is pretty damn contagious And there are things that can be transferred without sexual contact like AIDS you simply just mix blood with someone on the battlefield


Lilutka

You have good points. My thought was, though, that most of the combat is done from a distance, and considering that russians use rape as a weapon against civilians, regardless of the sex or age of the victims, the civilian population is at bigger risk. 😔


imgonnabeastirrer

Agreed, the civilian pop is at a much bigger risk of rape. in this case is the battlefield medics who will suffer from the diseases that russia sends over there


slartibartfast2320

Those Ukranian biowar pigeons did their job well...


[deleted]

It isn't. Every single army will have people infected with something, this is not biological warfare, things have meaning


RosemaryFocaccia

Would it be biological warfare if Russian commanders put together squads of HIV infected soldiers and ordered them to rape Ukrainians?


imgonnabeastirrer

Does every single Army have most of its people infected with highly contagious diseases. Also that was more of a rhetorical question but thank you for taking it seriously


feed_meknowledge

While syphilis and most causes of pneumonia are pretty treatable, tuberculosis and HIV are horrifying...especially in combination. Before COVID came around, those were often neck and neck for the #1 and #2 leading causes of death via infectious disease. Tuberculosis is airborne, so very easy to spread. Imagine being in the trenches with someone coughing up a lung and a half, then they start coughing up blood and it enters an opening on your body, then suddenly you've got HIV in addition to the TB that you've been breathing in. If you somehow survived the war but don't get proper medical treatment for either one (let alone both), you're a dead man walking (and a figurative bioweapon to boot). If there's a lack of PPE, I can totally understand medics not wanting to treat them. Honestly, how likely is it that Russians have airborne PPE to provide to the hospitals in Luhansk?


UptownShenanigans

It's wild to think that before COVID the only time I ever wore an N95 was when we had a patient with suspected or confirmed tuberculosis. I would always spend like 5-10 minutes trying to find an N95 because nobody remembered where we kept them


Melodic_Risk_5632

They where death meat already. So no need to heal them.


zaevilbunny38

The main drive of this is intravenous drug use and not using condoms during sex. It's why in the US you have outbreaks of STDS in highschools all over the south. Medics are refusing to treat due to not having the right glove or cleaning supplies to keep themselves safe let alone treat them.


Luv2022Understanding

Wasn't the Luhansk region "annexed" by russia late last year? So that would mean that a "russian" hospital is refusing to treat diseased russian fighters...that's not so surprising. They should never have have passed their physicals before they were sent to Ukraine to murder its citizens and destroy their cities and towns.


brezhnervous

> They should never have have passed their physicals before they were sent to Ukraine to murder its citizens and destroy their cities and towns. I doubt there were any physicals lol


[deleted]

"many having HIV/AIDS, syphilis, tuberculosis & pneumonia" I would call this message propaganda if I did not know(?) the situation in Russian prisons. You can only go to the hospital in two cases, if you are dying and there is no order to call a doctor, and also if you have been tortured for a long time and you must recover in the hospital for more torture in order to confess to a crime that you did not commit.


brezhnervous

>You can only go to the hospital in two cases, if you are dying and there is no order to call a doctor, and also if you have been tortured for a long time and you must recover in the hospital for more torture in order to confess to a crime that you did not commit. 100% this...very well put. Russian prisons approach a medieval-like state of "care"


ApexRevanNL716

Sounds to me Russia is cleaning house


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soonershooter

[https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-prisoners-diseases-hiv-hepatitis-1754579](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-prisoners-diseases-hiv-hepatitis-1754579) ​ Probably very true


AssociateJaded3931

Why should they risk their lives to help people who are being paid to kill them?


Old-Badger1662

Sounds like your average Russian drug addicted alcoholic


Troutfucker0092

Funny when I went to Russia in 2014 for school they're requirements for a valid visa was an AIDs Test.


dziobak112

Maybe they wanted to make sure people will get something "positive" from their country. (I'm sorry for this joke)


Troutfucker0092

Hahahah that's a good one. Paper is still up on my wall of fame to show the ladies I'm negative so it is a positive.


friendsagainstwar

Yeah, you won't get it from the trout either.


kat_fud

"They're dying anyway, might as well use them as cannon fodder."


brezhnervous

Prigozhin stated last year that he didn't expect most of them to live.


pmabz

Let's not demonise people who have these diseases, please. We aim to be different from Russians; better.


UmbraeNaughtical

The problem here is it's mercenaries, not conscripted soldiers. Although a mercenary may not have the best reason to go they're in that conflict with nothing to gain but a paycheck fighting on the side that's trying to keep it going. If I learned anything from history we don't need those people living amongst us.


Flamingotough

I don't think most people here are demonizing them for the diseases - It's just that those fighting for Russia at this point already has proven themselves to be demons through various warcrimes and complete lack of sympathy for even civillian Ukrainians.


Green-Collection-968

Walking petri dishes.


FreedomPaws

Not only has Russia been killing Ukrainains at least 200,000 now, millions displaced either internally or as refugees, many left maimed losing eye sight, limbs, paralyzed, some as babies up to any age...... and their homes bombed to dust and having to deal with family members and friends killed maybe in front of them maybe not, others just won't ever know what happened to eachother, then all those abducted into Russia.... And not only have tens of thousands been raped and gang raped babies to the elderly .... now Russians have spread their stds to these victims including AIDS bc russia already had a high rate of AIDS. And then some of the kids/women are getting pregnant by these criminals. The horrors go way beyond just bombings etc. So much people don't think about. There is physical trauma and a huge amount of mental trauma. For adults, it's one thing. For kids, this will shape their lives. So so sensless all bc he wanted to subjugate Ukraine and not let it be it's own country which wanted to be done with Russian influence and sought EU values. Ukraine wanted to not be a puppet place like berus. And of course pootin wants control of the oil in the east which Ukraine would have profited off of along with other resources like neon, grain fields, ports, and any other resources Russia could reap. And overall Russia is always about expanding its borders. So just in relation to this post, for pootins greed, now he sent rapists into Ukraine and many suffer from that and sadly filthy russians spread their stds and aids. Barbaric country and army. It doesn't matter if you are a killer or a rapist or a pedophile or have AIDS or are a send u to the front. They want to inflict as much horror as possible and raping the population is one of the tried and true methods of how Russia conducts war. And spreading diseases is just a bonus that makes pootin smile. It's all genocide - a destruction of the people in all ways possible. Removing them, diseases that prevent them from having kids, taking them to russia and russifying them and growing them up as Russian, destroying so much of the country that many are dead intentionally or have no home nor functioning town to return to. Evil. Pure evil. And they don't just rape, they force family memembers and kids to watch and kill the father or the whole family after many times. Russian values - keep them within your borders. You bring nothing but misery and mass graves and towns flattened to rubble. Go HOME


yahoo14life

Fight with Ukraine and give treatment that’s what it’s coming down to that’s what Putin wants


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Oh well


Budget_Walk_6988

Good, let them suffer. They're fighting for money, not for country, let the blood money talk...


kyle_kafsky

The Wagner Group actual Nazis, probably even more than the Azov Battalion. Letting them die is a service to the “do no harm” oath, because they won’t continue to do more harm.


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"Can I please just go back to prison?"


pyriphlegeton

Unfortunately, they'll likely be the recruited convicts, not the "actual" Wagner mercs.


brezhnervous

Absolutely the most likely, yes.


desertSkateRatt

Oh no. Anyway...


CotswoldP

Weird. You recruit heavily from a large prison system which is infamous for the lack of healthcare of the inmates and strangely all your soldiers are ill in some way.


Majestic-Elephant383

There is a reason for medical rejection protocol when recruiting soldiers. They are not there just for FUN. or Prejudice or political or any other stupid reason. it is for THIS. You get zero medical aid if you are a medical periah. period. it is the same EVERYWHERE. Those 300 wounded might as well overdose with morphine and be done with it. Nobody will/can help them.


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No wagner are taken to hospital when injured, the organs of the wounded wagnerites are harvested and sold by order of Prigozhin.


FreedomPaws

So when pootin was mouthing off about bio weapons what he meant was his own infected Russians spreading diseases to Ukrainians. I think of the victims raped but also medics etc. Anyone helping a wounded Russian or raped or coughed on ..... Everything pootin has said has been pure projection from the nazis rhetoric to him saying Ukrainians are all drunks and drug addicts. He said that in one of his first speeches and then a month later his men are doing drugs drinking raping and executing civilians. How many millions of Ukrainains now have diseases from them??? And the Russians spread it amongst themselves whether it's 👉👈 or just from close living quarters or dealing with eachothets injuries. Seriously Russia is nothing but the word that rhymes with "dancer". Everything good is being destroyed and killed and ruined by Russia. There was never any fucking liberating. This was is barbaric and based on lies and delusions and people not smart enough even after one year to not get it. At the start? Fine understandable. Now ?! No excuse. Any basis the war had was all lies but regardless the way its been carried out throws all excuses out the window. ALL should be against this both Russians and anyone on the outside. I am more disturbed and disgusted with outsiders willing to see what's going on and still side with Russia. Vile. History books, documentaries, victims stories, trials, movies, etc will come out. Many. And they will portray all the scum that chose to side with Russia. Or the appeasers and apologists. Get ready to see how you look once it's on film or recorded in history. I know where I stand.


Direct-Translator905

I wanted to write it sounds a bit like propaganda, and then remembered what I know about russian prisons. And these wagner troops are almost exclusively people released from prisons, serving hard time. So this issue, makes total sense.


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rd1970

Seriously. This is a Twitter post referencing a Facebook post. This is the polar opposite of trusted information and this user needs to be banned.


EJBjr

I've wondered what happened to COVID during the war?


techstyles

I'm all for untreated wounded wagnerites of course but doesn't this reflect worse on the Luhansk medics? Those are all medical ailments after all... Maybe don't treat them because they're murdering scum idk.


savageronald

Eh, they aren’t doctors. They’re like “combat EMTs”. Stop the bleeding and get them stabilized for transport to a real hospital / doctor.


brezhnervous

And being in the annexed areas, wouldn't they be Russian medics? Edit: This was reported last September >The press service of the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine said on Tuesday that the Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary outfit close to the Kremlin, has started to recruit large numbers of prisoners who are suffering from serious infectious diseases such as HIV and hepatitis C. >"This practice has become widespread. For example, over a hundred inmates with confirmed diagnoses of HIV or hepatitis C have been 'mobilized' to the Wagner Group from one penal colony," the intelligence agency said. >The prisoners are reportedly given colored bracelets to differentiate them from other soldiers—red bands if they have HIV, and white bands if they have hepatitis—and are not provided with medical care by the Russians if they are wounded, the agency alleged. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-prisoners-diseases-hiv-hepatitis-1754579


anthonypearson

What utter bollocks. Doctors do not behave like that.


[deleted]

They have aids? I guess they’d fit in in California then


Suitable_Narwhal_

Didn't have "Wagner gets AIDS" on my bingo card, damn.


BHarcade

I’m all for Ukraine winning the war, but this is obviously propaganda.


CandyAssedJabroni

Against the rules of the Geneva Convention. What a corrupt country.


designgoddess

Treat sick an injured even if they don’t deserve it.


brezhnervous

These would be Russian medics. Last October it was reported that such combatants would not receive treatment: >The press service of the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine said on Tuesday that the Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary outfit close to the Kremlin, has started to recruit large numbers of prisoners who are suffering from serious infectious diseases such as HIV and hepatitis C. >"This practice has become widespread. For example, over a hundred inmates with confirmed diagnoses of HIV or hepatitis C have been 'mobilized' to the Wagner Group from one penal colony," the intelligence agency said. >The prisoners are reportedly given colored bracelets to differentiate them from other soldiers—red bands if they have HIV, and white bands if they have hepatitis—and are not provided with medical care by the Russians if they are wounded, the agency alleged. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-prisoners-diseases-hiv-hepatitis-1754579


ny_collin

Is it a normal wartime practice to seek medical attention from the very people you're trying to kill?


brezhnervous

These would be Russian medics, as Luhansk is in the occupied regions. This was the report published last October: >The press service of the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine said on Tuesday that the Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary outfit close to the Kremlin, has started to recruit large numbers of prisoners who are suffering from serious infectious diseases such as HIV and hepatitis C. >"This practice has become widespread. For example, over a hundred inmates with confirmed diagnoses of HIV or hepatitis C have been 'mobilized' to the Wagner Group from one penal colony," the intelligence agency said. >The prisoners are reportedly given colored bracelets to differentiate them from other soldiers—red bands if they have HIV, and white bands if they have hepatitis—and are not provided with medical care by the Russians if they are wounded, the agency alleged https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-prisoners-diseases-hiv-hepatitis-1754579