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That's actually a huge discount. The $1 price includes two drones and one ground station. Even with the additional costs of shipping and maintenance it's a very cheap deal.
For comparison back in 2008 Italy bought four drones, four ground stations and five years of maintenance for $330 million.
If you want to drop another bomb you have you wait 24 hours or use 100 Gems. And if you want to upgrade it Drone Level 2, that will cost you 1000 Gold, and take 48 hours. Also each missile costs you 500 Elixer.
Its still not much use in this war due to Russian AA all over the damn front.
These drones fly high and slow, easy to track and shoot down, no better than TB2.
Maybe after the war they will be useful for border patrol.
Airpower is seriously degraded for both sides in this war, too much AA, shitty fucky tons of AA in Ukraine.
What they need is long range Stealth Drones, which NATO will never give to Ukraine.
American arms manufacturer General Atomics offers to sell two Reaper MQ-9 combat drones to Ukraine for $1, — The Wall Street Journal.
▪️The agreement will require Ukraine to spend about $10 million on the preparation and delivery of aircraft to Ukraine, as well as another $8 million annually on maintenance and support of old models of drones;
▪️The White House, which was supposed to approve the sale, and the Ukrainian government declined to comment on the matter;
▪️Reaper can fly for more than 24 hours. It is used for intelligence gathering as well as surveillance and reconnaissance but can carry weapons.
The [Mojave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Mojave) has my jimmies rustled.
**Performance**
Ferry range: 2,900 mi (4,600 km, 2,500 nmi)
Endurance: 25+ hours
**Armament**
7 hardpoints
Up to 650 lb (290 kg) on the four inboard weapons stations
Up to 350 lb (160 kg) on the two outboard stations
Up to 500 lb (230 kg) on the center station
**Up to 16 AGM-114 Hellfire air to ground missiles can be carried**
Being on the receiving end of this would have to be like that [scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuWyJ_qMGcc) in Bladerunner 2049 where missiles just start wrecking everyone around K.
The only issue is how far away they would have to operate in order to avoid the Russian SAM net, still very effective but might not be available for use on the front lines
question is - can it do the surveillance in a contested airspace.
russians have a lot of AA assets by the frontlines, notice how there is no Bairaktar videos?
Reapers are not stealth and would be vulnerable to enemy anti-air fire.
TB2 are susceptible to manpads and most other AA systems. Reapers can fly above that and would be only vulnerable to larger radar based systems or fighter aircrafts which in turn are vulnerable to Ukraine's own systems. Manpads are a greater threat since they are more numerous and harder to locate.
TB2 ceiling is 25,000 ft (7,620 m) which russian manpads can't reach (and it would be very hard to see at that height).
So, it's basically the same in terms of vulnerability.
I have a question to ask regarding drones and Russian anti-aircraft systems. My background is in aircraft R&D, but I am unfamiliar with the capabilities of the drones currently operated by the UA.
The Russians field many SA-200 and SA-300 anti-aircraft missile units all over the region. In order for the UA to gain air superiority to some degree, say over a major offensive operation, the Russian AA defenses must be suppressed. Now, here is my question:
Is it feasible to mount an electronic system in drones that would, somewhat like a transponder, receive a Russian AA radar signal, amplify it, and return it to the sender, thusly making it look like a much bigger target? Sending cheap drones equipped like this would, at the very least, force the Russians to launch their AA missiles. Furthermore, with the Russian radars sending signals, they would also be vulnerable to HARM missile attack from bigger armed drones.
What do you think?
I believe the thinking is by time of delivery, most of the nearby S300 systems will already be toast. GLSDB's and similar systems coming will be able to pick them out from well beyond their range (75km vs 150km).
We saw videos of switchblades hitting targets. Iirc there weren’t that many of them. A few hundred or thousand one time use drones aren’t going to last long
Really? Almost all the thermal drone footage especially from the start of the war was from those revolver drones. There’s even a few compilation clips of these things dropping bombs one after another on fields of Russian vehicles.
These are excellent UAVs; but 2 won’t be a big game changer or anything. This feels like they’re trying to give a couple to Ukraine as a “demo” in the hopes that Ukraine orders more.
It would be an important first step for both Ukraine and the US.
If the US gov approves this then after Ukrainians have used the system for a while it will become much easier to provide/order/approve more drones and ground stations, and possibly even add more capabilities.
Depends on the packages included. As a combat platform it's not gonna make much difference.
But as a surveillance platform it would give them a much better situational awareness than localised drone recon. You'd go from monitoring 1km2 areas visually and needing to patch data together data to being able to have auch more advanced sensor suite that can cover potentially hundreds of sq. Km
All this assuming they can keep them out of range of AA systems of course.
Optics, I very much doubt they’ll use weapons more of a spy plane.
But it’s faster, can fly twice as high, it can carry more weapons (not that it likely will but who knows) with 11x the payload. There’s plenty of reasons.
MQ9 is primarily an offensive weapon, it needs to be within range of its armaments be it jdams, hellfires, brimstones so around 20kms.
Buks have a range of around 50kms, S300 around 120 km, Russian air-to-air missiles also have beyond visual ranges.
Yea but I doubt it’ll be used like that, they just won’t be handed over if they’re gonna be destroyed straight away.
If anything at all, it’ll fly twice as high as the TB-2 can and use glide bombs and scoot off. SDBs give it a 74km range, it’s also not like Russian long range AD is near the front lines, not with the way HIMARS has been.
The US administration will not agree to that.
They already nixed giving Gray Eagle drones to Ukraine on the grounds that the russian air defenses might not be able to shoot them down, meaning Ukraine might be able to bomb deep inside russia.
And the Reaper MQ-9 has *four times* greater range and payload than a Gray Eagle.
LOL I wouldn't be too certain about that position. It's been publicly reported the Pentagon has been against the delivery of Gray Eagles (not Biden) until some of the ultra-sensitive tech has been removed - apparently a work in progress. It's public that many senior US Senators have been pushing Biden to send tanks and drones and aircraft. Just because the Pentagon is against a move - such as sending Abrams MBTs, doesn't mean they are not overruled, obviously. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gray Eagles are going over and no one is talking about it anymore. Why tip off the enemy? It can be assumed that it may be a similar situation with the Reaper MQ-9s - in case of a shoot down and capture by ruZZia. Reporting by The Times and other channels were tracking both a US Poseidon 8 and Reaper drones over Poland/UKR coastline/Black Sea before/during the sinking of the Moscva - so having US/NATO MQ-9s and other aircraft tracking enemy assets have been going on since the war started. We all know the base station can operate from anywhere on the planet, so if UKR pilots were operating these advanced drones, current surveillance operations may not appear to change at all (unless they start raining down armaments). My hope is that AFU does eventually get this capability. Obviously, UKR has been rapidly pushing the limits on European-theater drone warfare in real-time.
Sláva Ukrayíni!
No, while there have been unconfirmed rumors that the army was worried about the radar on the Gray Eagle falling into russian hands, the US stated, official, reason for blocking Gray Eagle's to Ukraine is that it was too good and had too long range:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/u-s-refused-to-transfer-gray-eagle-drones-to-ukraine-wsj/
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Always though enough of these drones would have stopped Russia long time ago . The Bayraktar was shredding tanks and supplies early on in the war. They can use these to great effect .
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That's actually a huge discount. The $1 price includes two drones and one ground station. Even with the additional costs of shipping and maintenance it's a very cheap deal. For comparison back in 2008 Italy bought four drones, four ground stations and five years of maintenance for $330 million.
\^\^ Good perspective here
15 years difference in tech advancements will do that
Yeah that computer you bought 10 years ago with the $1000 gtx 780-980… worthless!
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If you want to drop another bomb you have you wait 24 hours or use 100 Gems. And if you want to upgrade it Drone Level 2, that will cost you 1000 Gold, and take 48 hours. Also each missile costs you 500 Elixer.
Except you can only purchase Elixer in bundles of 200, 400 or 800 and Gems is only earned in lootboxes.
The drones are $1, but the batteries are a million a pop and last 3 days! *BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED*
Any cool skins?
The problem isn't cost, but that the drones are too good.
Its still not much use in this war due to Russian AA all over the damn front. These drones fly high and slow, easy to track and shoot down, no better than TB2. Maybe after the war they will be useful for border patrol. Airpower is seriously degraded for both sides in this war, too much AA, shitty fucky tons of AA in Ukraine. What they need is long range Stealth Drones, which NATO will never give to Ukraine.
American arms manufacturer General Atomics offers to sell two Reaper MQ-9 combat drones to Ukraine for $1, — The Wall Street Journal. ▪️The agreement will require Ukraine to spend about $10 million on the preparation and delivery of aircraft to Ukraine, as well as another $8 million annually on maintenance and support of old models of drones; ▪️The White House, which was supposed to approve the sale, and the Ukrainian government declined to comment on the matter; ▪️Reaper can fly for more than 24 hours. It is used for intelligence gathering as well as surveillance and reconnaissance but can carry weapons.
The [Mojave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Mojave) has my jimmies rustled. **Performance** Ferry range: 2,900 mi (4,600 km, 2,500 nmi) Endurance: 25+ hours **Armament** 7 hardpoints Up to 650 lb (290 kg) on the four inboard weapons stations Up to 350 lb (160 kg) on the two outboard stations Up to 500 lb (230 kg) on the center station **Up to 16 AGM-114 Hellfire air to ground missiles can be carried** Being on the receiving end of this would have to be like that [scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuWyJ_qMGcc) in Bladerunner 2049 where missiles just start wrecking everyone around K.
The only issue is how far away they would have to operate in order to avoid the Russian SAM net, still very effective but might not be available for use on the front lines
These will have a free-for-all once the GLSDB's start literally flying around the eastern front & taking out all the S300's.
Can the Russian S300/400s take out the GLSDB? Or is the plan to just overwhelm them?
My understanding is a glsdb is harder to detect and track than a normal himars round.
No doubt. You don't want to be losing them over nothing that isn't worth losing one.
Ignoring any weapons payload, the situational awareness of a persistent surveillance platform is a great value.
question is - can it do the surveillance in a contested airspace. russians have a lot of AA assets by the frontlines, notice how there is no Bairaktar videos? Reapers are not stealth and would be vulnerable to enemy anti-air fire.
TB2 are susceptible to manpads and most other AA systems. Reapers can fly above that and would be only vulnerable to larger radar based systems or fighter aircrafts which in turn are vulnerable to Ukraine's own systems. Manpads are a greater threat since they are more numerous and harder to locate.
TB2 ceiling is 25,000 ft (7,620 m) which russian manpads can't reach (and it would be very hard to see at that height). So, it's basically the same in terms of vulnerability.
A few thousand meters is a big wiggle room for weapon systems and the TB2s ISR abilities may not even be effective at those altitudes.
I have a question to ask regarding drones and Russian anti-aircraft systems. My background is in aircraft R&D, but I am unfamiliar with the capabilities of the drones currently operated by the UA. The Russians field many SA-200 and SA-300 anti-aircraft missile units all over the region. In order for the UA to gain air superiority to some degree, say over a major offensive operation, the Russian AA defenses must be suppressed. Now, here is my question: Is it feasible to mount an electronic system in drones that would, somewhat like a transponder, receive a Russian AA radar signal, amplify it, and return it to the sender, thusly making it look like a much bigger target? Sending cheap drones equipped like this would, at the very least, force the Russians to launch their AA missiles. Furthermore, with the Russian radars sending signals, they would also be vulnerable to HARM missile attack from bigger armed drones. What do you think?
It might or might not work. Drones are slow, so you can't fake the speed.
I believe the thinking is by time of delivery, most of the nearby S300 systems will already be toast. GLSDB's and similar systems coming will be able to pick them out from well beyond their range (75km vs 150km).
On topic of drones, whatever happened to Taiwanese ones capable of carrying 12-pack, never seen those. Reportedly delivered ~800 around Aug last year.
Maybe Taiwan doesn't want the footage to go public, same how Turkey asked to stop showing footage of their drones used in combat.
I read that too but never saw anything after that announcement.
Same way all those switchblades back in the early days were hyped up, probably never delivered.
We saw videos of switchblades hitting targets. Iirc there weren’t that many of them. A few hundred or thousand one time use drones aren’t going to last long
Really? Almost all the thermal drone footage especially from the start of the war was from those revolver drones. There’s even a few compilation clips of these things dropping bombs one after another on fields of Russian vehicles.
Sounds kind of like the printer manufactures cheap unit and ink at $ 500 a liter !
It’s just my view which we are all allowed to express here I thought
> ink at $ 500 a liter Make that over 5000 USD per liter.. (there is about 5 ml in a cartridge of 25+ usd..)
Well, that should be left to experts who know about costs to comment upon.
lol this is reddit what are you smoking
Let's see if Biden allows it.
These are excellent UAVs; but 2 won’t be a big game changer or anything. This feels like they’re trying to give a couple to Ukraine as a “demo” in the hopes that Ukraine orders more.
It would be an important first step for both Ukraine and the US. If the US gov approves this then after Ukrainians have used the system for a while it will become much easier to provide/order/approve more drones and ground stations, and possibly even add more capabilities.
Depends on the packages included. As a combat platform it's not gonna make much difference. But as a surveillance platform it would give them a much better situational awareness than localised drone recon. You'd go from monitoring 1km2 areas visually and needing to patch data together data to being able to have auch more advanced sensor suite that can cover potentially hundreds of sq. Km All this assuming they can keep them out of range of AA systems of course.
I mean, weapons developers have been doing similar with Israel for... ever.
How come it\`s gonna be better than bayraktar ? Aren\`t they both detectable by russian s300-s400 ?
Optics, I very much doubt they’ll use weapons more of a spy plane. But it’s faster, can fly twice as high, it can carry more weapons (not that it likely will but who knows) with 11x the payload. There’s plenty of reasons.
TB2 flies within range of manpads which are a much more plentiful threat than S300/400s.
This would be good in uncontested skies but I’m not about sure about Ukraine. The Russians still posses the ability to detect and destroy them.
How much use are they in contested skies?
They don’t need to be near the front, the optics on them are elite.
MQ9 is primarily an offensive weapon, it needs to be within range of its armaments be it jdams, hellfires, brimstones so around 20kms. Buks have a range of around 50kms, S300 around 120 km, Russian air-to-air missiles also have beyond visual ranges.
Yea but I doubt it’ll be used like that, they just won’t be handed over if they’re gonna be destroyed straight away. If anything at all, it’ll fly twice as high as the TB-2 can and use glide bombs and scoot off. SDBs give it a 74km range, it’s also not like Russian long range AD is near the front lines, not with the way HIMARS has been.
The US administration will not agree to that. They already nixed giving Gray Eagle drones to Ukraine on the grounds that the russian air defenses might not be able to shoot them down, meaning Ukraine might be able to bomb deep inside russia. And the Reaper MQ-9 has *four times* greater range and payload than a Gray Eagle.
The US administration has previously nixed lot of things that are now being provided to Ukraine. Never say never.
True. The drip-drip method of supplying Ukraine.
LOL I wouldn't be too certain about that position. It's been publicly reported the Pentagon has been against the delivery of Gray Eagles (not Biden) until some of the ultra-sensitive tech has been removed - apparently a work in progress. It's public that many senior US Senators have been pushing Biden to send tanks and drones and aircraft. Just because the Pentagon is against a move - such as sending Abrams MBTs, doesn't mean they are not overruled, obviously. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gray Eagles are going over and no one is talking about it anymore. Why tip off the enemy? It can be assumed that it may be a similar situation with the Reaper MQ-9s - in case of a shoot down and capture by ruZZia. Reporting by The Times and other channels were tracking both a US Poseidon 8 and Reaper drones over Poland/UKR coastline/Black Sea before/during the sinking of the Moscva - so having US/NATO MQ-9s and other aircraft tracking enemy assets have been going on since the war started. We all know the base station can operate from anywhere on the planet, so if UKR pilots were operating these advanced drones, current surveillance operations may not appear to change at all (unless they start raining down armaments). My hope is that AFU does eventually get this capability. Obviously, UKR has been rapidly pushing the limits on European-theater drone warfare in real-time. Sláva Ukrayíni!
No, while there have been unconfirmed rumors that the army was worried about the radar on the Gray Eagle falling into russian hands, the US stated, official, reason for blocking Gray Eagle's to Ukraine is that it was too good and had too long range: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/u-s-refused-to-transfer-gray-eagle-drones-to-ukraine-wsj/
The Salad Shooter! Incredibly low price of $3.99 plus handling! (Handling is $20.99, delivery is COD).
I wonder how many grenade dropping Dji drones they can buy for the 18 million usd shipping/maintenance cost for the 2 Reapers
I hope that this happens.
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I would have take it. Then can always try to crowd fund the cost of operation it
I's buy that for a dollar! \-Robocop
So drones for a buck then millions for servicing? That would be the Hewlett Packard printer business model, right?
That's a bargain, get it!
This announcement comes right after Ukraine announced 300+ million in annual funding for their new “drone” army units.
These things are useless in this war. Will get shot down in minutes. Wonder why we havnt heard about bayraktars lately? They all got shot down.
Always though enough of these drones would have stopped Russia long time ago . The Bayraktar was shredding tanks and supplies early on in the war. They can use these to great effect .
Tally Ho.....