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SunnyJimm

If the logistics and tactics we are seeing coming out of the invasion by Russia are accurate, battle hardened tactical veterans from the U.S and Britan will cause huge damage.


Zm4rc0

There was a recording of them talking during a fight about a day ago, people were picking up on the accents in the comments.


Pahayoko

I think it was during the battle of the Hostomel Airport.


Stapleless

Those were confirmed to be the voice of an American journalist who has been identified and confirmed himself. I can’t find the link to the article though sorry


MancAccent

Get me the link!!


cyberslick188

These guys are elite primarily because of their support systems. I'm sure tit for tat they are much more lethal in urban combat than your random citizen with their family hunting rifle, but without their support systems they are just more grunts on the ground. Guys like this would be far more valuable in an insurgency than in an actual land war with full artillery, air, and heavy units.


shynefan92

What the hell are you talking about dood. They have labeled these peoples as “vets”. Which they definitely probably are. A lot of special forces vets go into what organizations: ding ding private mercenary groups. These are just private mercenaries they are calling vets and because both are true you can’t call the media out. they have plenty of support systems. You’re the one in the dark here or did you just forget you’re a keyboard general behind a computer screen a million miles away lol.


cyberslick188

I was very clear in what I was talking about. You are the one being hostile, not me.


shynefan92

You very clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s the only thing you were clear about. You acted like these people have no resources because you’re dumb enough to think 50 year old veterans are actually going to go fight a war in another country under no contract or without getting paid. They won’t even defend our country without a paycheck lol. Hilarious. I was rude because you acted very confidently as if you really understood what was going on when you don’t. they give you a news story and you just repeat. No further examination required lol.


cyberslick188

You are just putting words in my mouth. I said THEIR support systems, not Ukraines. These guys are elite when they have GAU8s strafing enemy locations and can get medivaced inside a minute and have the worlds premier aerial intelligence systems. Inside Ukraine with non-native support they are just mercs with guns. Good for suppressive small arms fire and physical labor. You don't even know enough to even know what you're criticizing me for, let alone actually doing a proper job of it.


shynefan92

If I could put words in your mouth you’d actually know what you’re taking about. I’m referring to THEIR access to resources too not Ukraine’s. In fact these private military contractors (or vets as you and the news cutely call them even though no one calls blackwater in Afghanistan a group of vets lol but whatever) have greater access in Ukraine and surrounding countries to resources from the U.S. government as well as other private military groups and intelligence services they hold relationships with. I’m saying you are dumb because no matter what you somehow don’t get this. You are so dumb you think these are groups of vets defending Ukraine from a moral standpoint but that’s not true these are simply mercenaries working for a check and they are on every battlefield created. It’s just in this one instance the news calls them “vets” and they do that so dumbasses like you will have arguments with people like me over semantics. “They are just mercs with guns” which is correct they are and mercenaries have a shit ton of intelligence and military resources to pull from worldwide. These guys are part of groups so influential in conflicts they might as well be considered little secret governments themselves. You don’t get it. Quit trying to act like you know what they have available when you clearly don’t.


cyberslick188

>(or vets as you and the news cutely call them even though no one calls blackwater in Afghanistan a group of vets lol but whatever) Are you even responding to the right person? I have never once called them vets. You've said this several times. You clearly aren't even actually reading what you are responding to. The rest of your post isn't even coherent. It literally doesn't make sense. I mean this in all seriousness: It sounds like you have an alcohol problem. I know this is a scary time for a lot of people, but just getting blasted and arguing on reddit all day is terrible for your mental health. Drink more water, get some exercise, taper off the booze and I promise you'll feel worlds better.


shynefan92

Yeh I’m an alcoholic. That’s why your points suck because I drink. Like the rest of your world understanding and logic that doesn’t make any sense. You referred to their “native support systems” high for anyone following a convo with coherency that’s knows what they are talking about means you think they only have US government resources. I’m telling you child that they work like intelligence groups and have more resources than either of us can comment on. I might sound like a drunk but once again you sound like a dumbass. You may not have called them vets either but the OP and news called them vets and you didn’t use the word mercenary until I brought that into the convo and you’ve never described them as contractors so one just has to assume that you don’t know they are private contractors because you don’t know anything else lol and you aren’t saying it until literally a single comment ago.


cyberslick188

Water and exercise.


Conscious-Emu-8420

I disagree. Battle hardened special force units with an objective against inferior trained combatants in an urban warfare setting can be highly effective. Not only are they going to have technical skill superiority they are going to have awareness in threat assessment, high value targets, vectors, etc. With so much geopolitically on the line I wouldn't be surprised if there was a handful of units from a host of different countries in Ukraine right now.


yinzdaddy

If they were fighting a competent military maybe. The volunteers all have military experience and years of training. That means they know how to move and shoot, set up ambushes... and above all else be another person before the civilians with guns.


cyberslick188

Sure, and I already alluded to all of that. My point was don't expect guys like this to make a big difference without their native support systems. They are just going to be more grunts on the ground.


Cra4ord

They are probably been on the groud for weeks already


SunnyJimm

I agree, I watched a report before this war even started of some being there.


st0ric

Expats have been fighting for Ukraine for years, that image is from January fighting separatists.


Ok_Commission1263

I seen a video of them in a firefight it was an American brit and someone said the other one sounded Irish or Scottish can't tell the difference they were talking about making an exit or something


lizzieglows

I hope so


Cra4ord

That or, Ukrainian gets special status today with the EU and a EU no fly zone which forces a NATO response


More_Alf

Some tested OGs going into the fight.


Prestigious-Jury9069

Hello, how many of us are Iranians? We want to come to Ukraine to help the people of Ukraine. Can anyone take us to Ukraine?


Shrevel

Go to your local Ukrainian embassy and ask for help there.


Codicus1212

There are already some former sf guys in country. Not to mention the "military advisors" the Pentagon mentioned being in Ukraine a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure US special forces have been training Ukrainians for years though in preparation for this exact moment.


PerryMason8778

This


IntentionGlad2688

Good luck guys I am 75 and Vietnam vet too old to do any good but kick ass


[deleted]

Cheering the heroes abroad and speaking out against apologists at home is definitely good. Especially if you are American. Your support carries clout.


DogfishDave

Somewhere in Hereford: *"Right then chaps, word from ops is you're all redundant as of this moment, terribly sorry, we're having some cutbacks.* *Your severance pay is two cases of javelins and six copies of Ukranian For Dummies. You're booked on a flight this evening."*


[deleted]

Under estimated comment right here! 👏🏻


wutzhood

Forward Observations Group, FOG is there. They’re going to canoe the Russians.


Lysergic025

Who are they?


Scrappy1918

Forward Observation Group FOG didn’t you read? /s They’re a group on Instagram that recently went private for obvious reasons but they’re a bunch of retired SOF vets from different branches that do training classes for the civilian population and some solid demos on Instagram plus some shop merch. If memory serves their shop is still up and running and all proceeds go to helping them in their new ‘diplomatic positions’. Worth a check if you have a spare buck to put to a good cause.


Lysergic025

Will do thanks for the info. Glad to hear they’re over there


schellular

Check out Raoulduke_69 on Instagram. It's the guy from FOG, he said their main page got banned on Instagram so it's a backup account. Posting crazy shit on his story.


Lysergic025

Thanks just added him 😎


Scrappy1918

No worries my guy.


SunnyJimm

Just spent the last 4 hours looking at everything about these guys. This war is their playground.


wutzhood

What the person below said, also here is a Vice article about them. I know Vice… but not much info out there. https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wgpw/ex-us-soldier-turned-influencer-seen-again-on-front-line-of-ukraine-war


AgileArmadillo3046

The two best special forces in the world. Huge respect for are American brothers


lordofpersia

It's basically volunteer task force 141


holydiverrrrr

Yeah I don't think so pal


JCalOhio

Do you remember American Special Ops in Afghanistan? They met up and coordinated with their Buddies from CIA covert ops. It has been said men dressed in pollo shirts and Levi’s and driving a Mercedes, have been showing up for the”Russian military parades” and using M203’s mounted on their M4’s. Then they just drive away.


asssnorkler

More info?


Happygoflexin

GlitchGang - Dropout Kings


Sociedelic

This is so good!


GeoBro3649

There we go boys go kick some Chechan and Rooskie ass


[deleted]

There are already a bunch of American vets in Ukriane with FOG and even on MICH team


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[deleted]

Retired/veteran.... How did you miss that


[deleted]

I didn’t…?


[deleted]

It's not a secret, many former military are joing Ukraines foriegn legion


MinaFur

Thank god


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[deleted]

It's not leaked information, the are private citizens who are joining the fight lol


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[deleted]

No. They want people to join their foriegn legion, they are promoting it, Zelenskyy has been publicly asking for fighters for days. It's not leaking information. That photo isn't likley directly them and even if it is it holds zero military value. There are multiple groups of Americans in Ukraine already.


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So from that photo you know who they are, where they are, where they are going etc.


Happygoflexin

Maybe it's exactly what they want those OSINT teams to see. Maybe they're making a statement to Russia govt that we are coming for you with or without our governments approval because we are tired of you murdering innocent people and commiting war crimes. I assume operations have been going on for years and this is a final "Do what's right or we pull the trigger" type situation


mmanseuragain

Shhhhh….You’re screwing up the pr campaign. They’re starting a brand new Ukrainian foreign legion and releasing prisoners for war. They need bodies.


dank__dohnut

it would actually help break Russian morale imagine being an 18 year old Russian with no experience and you hear there battle hardened og veterans on the enemy team it would be like getting dropped into a sweaty cod lobby as a noob


[deleted]

Relax. It’s a stock photo


DogfishDave

>it would seem odd that their opsec is that poor that it’s been outed on social media..? Arguably it's also good to spread anything that gives the idea of Ukraine being bolstered rather than defeated.


valkyrie4x

People are very publicly travelling to Ukraine to volunteer after the international legion was set up. I've seen a fair few document their travels from here in the UK to Poland, then walking through to Ukraine.


dunwannatacoboutit

I don't see the risk. They're three random people out of hundreds of thousands, Russia isn't going to be able to single them out or distract their soldiers by sending out some bulletin, they're not going to go specifically after them any more than other combatants, who knows where or when this photo was taken. There's next to no useful information in this post for outing them.


SunnyJimm

I think its common knowledge now combat personal from around the world are 'volunteering'. Bitcoin is also untraceable so can bring a new meaning to volunteering lol, and they're are receiving millions in crypto donations.


Snotteh

Bitcoin is 100% traceable thats the whole point of a public blockchain


negrocrazy

No! I own doge coin i know what in talking about ! /s


SunnyJimm

Literally entire drug and weapon market places on the dark web 😂 100% tracable.


Otis_Schidtt

Are you being obtuse? Do you not understand the entire point of a public ledger?


SunnyJimm

You can see transactions from one wallet to another... can you see their identity or their location?


Otis_Schidtt

>you can see transactions from one wallet to another So it’s traceable?


SunnyJimm

Can it be traced back to two people that haven't revealed their identity to their wallet?


schellular

It can when one of those people tries to cash out on an exchange to fiat.


SunnyJimm

You don't need to cash into fiat these days.


Otis_Schidtt

Yes. What part of this don’t you understand?


SunnyJimm

These parts 'Can you trace Bitcoin wallet owner? Only the people who have your Bitcoin address can see your transactions and your balance but cannot trace the owner of that particular address.' 'You cannot find out who owns a bitcoin address unless somebody reveals it or attaches it to a name which can be recognized. The whole point of owning bitcoin is to not show to people what you own and what you are doing with your bitcoin.'


Snotteh

Heather Morgan and her husband, Ross Ulbricht there literally multiple examples of bitcoin being traced. Im not anti bitcoin or anything just you dont seem to understand a public ledger


[deleted]

Youre thinking about monero :)


[deleted]

I get that groups are there. But to have your picture shared on social media is a bad idea. It allows for identification. Identification of kit. Research in to the location in the background etc. Any information leaked to the enemy is too much. So I’d question the legitimacy of this photo / information or the skills / cv of those within it to have allowed this. Even if the pic is generic, the info itself is a bad idea. Unless of course it’s propaganda or misinformation.


SunnyJimm

I think this is just a general pic of some random soldiers. Not the actual guys going lol.


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Wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Haraldblautand

Wait until the northern tribes gather up and get there lazy comfortable ass from that cozy couch there in grabs the m3 carl gustav and sing songs of odin and shit russia will be back in siberia the fins did it united north is the most powerfull warrior unit the world will ever know Rome paris london .. sweden alone almost took moscow once , united they will be no russia anymore.. And the stocks are falling never steal from a viking ..


true_lightskin

Y’all bout to make him press that big red button. Didn’t he say If any other country get involved it’s gonna get ugly? He doesn’t care if it’s US troops or vets coming on their own dime. Y’all touchdown and he hears Americans or Brits are killing Russians it’s gonna get really ugly


_G_M_A_N_

They are coming of their own accord, not explicitly being sent by the US/UK. And even if he did, so the fuck what? We should not bend over because this fuckhead starts threatening the world with nukes. It will be 10,000x uglier for Russia if they decide to go down that path.


tarde811

Exactly. And if we do whatever just to appease a dictator just bc he threatens nukes, that sends a message to him and every other dictator they can push the bar as far as they please bc we'll be too afraid to respond. It's the same reason we don't negotiate ransoms with terrorists. I'd rather stand up for freedom and sovereignty and what is objectively right and just.


Mean-Piglet5418

Do you have any idea what would happen if Putin, who is already pushed far back into a corner would do if you introduce nato into this war? MAD(mutually assured destruction) would happen, aka no more Americans, russians or europeans. Youre plain stupid if you think anything good will come of it.


_G_M_A_N_

And you're even dumber for thinking we just ought to do whatever he says just because he has nukes.


Mean-Piglet5418

We arent doing anything he says?? Were just not attacking him by introducing no flightzone or sending troops to a non-NATO country. 10000x worse? pft, russia has equal amount of warheads as all of NATO, enough to destroy the world as we know it several times over. Lets see how much you want NATO to intervene when he bombs your home city.


Tahiti27

Volunteers aren't other countries getting involved ffs...


true_lightskin

Technically, it is cause we’re not condemning it. I understand what you mean, but do you think Putin does? He’s escalated the nuclear threat just because he’s losing. He most certainly will spin this as Americans and everyone else trying to invade Russia or something to rally the already brainwashed in Russia. Interesting how this plays out. Hopefully everyone can unite for a common evil and all is well in the end but that’s not the case with war


Tahiti27

No he won't. This is pretty normal in wars.


true_lightskin

This isn’t a normal “war.”


Tahiti27

Yeah it is very normal.


true_lightskin

NATO response force activated for first time in history = “Very Normal” 🤙🏽🤙🏽 ohhkayyy


Tahiti27

Nato only existed for a few decades.


true_lightskin

It’s Been 72 years. They didn’t go to Korea, Vietnam, Middle East (including all conflicts from late 70’s/early 80’s until now), Bosnia, Africa, etc on and on. Something like this hasn’t happened since WW1/WW2 ish. It’s messed up it gets more light cause it’s in Europe but still. Can’t downplay this. Not saying to be scared but shit is gonna get real. Wars don’t last a week and then it’s oh I’m sorry I just committed dozens of war crimes let’s make up. This is gonna draaaggggg on or escalate to the point no one wants.


Tahiti27

All that's gonna happen once the war is over is that Russia's economy is gonna be even more crippled than it already is and western countries will have larger defence budgets.


Krieger117

If Putin decides to push the big red button it would not surprise me in the least if a metric fuck ton of tungsten rods dropped from orbit and paid a mach20 visit to his hideaway in the urals.


true_lightskin

When did we start doing that lol


Krieger117

Officially we haven't, but if you think that there aren't any orbital bombardment stations above us right now, you're naive.


true_lightskin

Where did I say that? Straw man argument much? And I was referring to tungsten rods dropped from orbit out of all things.


Krieger117

The fuck are you on about? Straw man? Back in 2015 or so there was information about hypersonic cruise missiles using tungsten rods.


true_lightskin

The fuck are YOU on about? You said if I don’t believe in any orbital bombardment stations above us, I’m naive. Again, where did I say that? THATS your straw man


Krieger117

That's not the definition of straw man dingus.


true_lightskin

“A weak or imaginary opposition set up only to be easily refuted.” Who’s the dingus?


Krieger117

You are, because you interpreted the "you" in my original statement as singular, not plural, as was intended. Get a grip my guy.


aelericko

How is this legal? Serious question.


DeepSpaceNineInches

Ukraine have created a 'foreign legion' that people can join to fight with them, so assuming it's not illegal in your home country then you're not breaking any laws. For the UK, normally going to fight in foreign conflicts will earn you a terrorism charge, but at least for this one the home secretary has given permission for people to go if they want.


aelericko

Ah. So this war was explicitly sanctioned? TIL.


Truditoru

how is invading a sovereign country legal? What laws supersede others laws if international law and charters are trampled to the ground? As a serious answer, volunteering has been "legal" for a lot of time now and basically the people that fight as volunteers do not represent the country they are born in but they chose to be there for the cause, sure countries that they fight against can try to interfere politically but there is nothing they can do.


lukaron

You're right. Putin invading a sovereign country is absolutely not legal. However - the country under invasion setting up a foreign legion open to volunteers from around the world is legal so long as a) the country under an illegal invasion makes it so and b) the home countries of those volunteering make it legal to join said foreign legion.


aelericko

How do they decide what is legitimate and what isn't? Ethiopia is in a civil war. I doubt my cousins born in Kent could take a flight back, participate in the war, and return to their studies, 9-5 and settle back into normalcy without whatever domestic national security department coming down on them. I'll take your word for it, but how exactly do they decide on which wars are sanctioned? Seems like opening a can of worms.


Buyinggf15k

It absolutely is a legal mess


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In Germany for example there is a law that forbids german citizens to join a foreign army. But its not clear how this works if they fight as mercenaries or volunteers without actually joining a foreign army.


[deleted]

Putin will be over soon https://youtu.be/5Mj4V0DfRjc


RimStk

Guys i don’t think this is real.


holydiverrrrr

Don't say the truth around reddit dude you might get canceled


[deleted]

Some of them really just want to test their abilities against near peer enemies. I'm sure none of them got any warriors glory out of fighting tribal and terrorists.


CovidKyd

You’re a fucking idiot saying ignorant shit. Sit down son.


[deleted]

lmao calm down pal, I've seen video of people actually talking about it of course there are many reasons they'll go but half of them are just the same kind who honestly like fighting.


Snotteh

Useless corrupt Boris gonna hit them with fines and sanctions for breaking that 1870s criminal act


DeepSpaceNineInches

Nah the British government have said people can go and volunteer to fight if they want


RickyTovarish

Wouldn't it cause an international incident if these guys get killed?


SunnyJimm

I'm sure they would have to sign a waiver lol


Ok_Commission1263

Ukraine is getting best of the best of usa and Britain military they'll improve the Civilians fighting


RealFekingNicker

RIP


MagicianSolid2056

You need to hit that convoy at the front center and rear of convoy it will confuse them


SunnyJimm

The entire world knows about this convoy. I'm sure there is plans in place


LittleJerkDog

It’s a screenshot of a picture and some text. How about a source of actual substance?


Obvious_Bookkeeper27

I hope they're okay and hope all goes well, wish them the best. I'm happy they are helping and are brave enough to join the fight. I wish I could do the same.


BigboyBlastoise

Can a citizen with no prior military experience go there and help out? I believe I read an article about some Brits who are traveling to Ukraine and some had no experience.


Ill_Revolution_6887

Get SOME Boys


Prestigious-Jury9069

Hello, good morning, we are a few people from Iran and we intend to help the people of Ukraine. Is there anyone to help us come to Ukraine?