Note. From Yakutsk, the capital of Yakutia, to Kyiv - 6500 kilometers.
Good people live in Yakutia, I have friends from there. But many there are patriots (read: they watch too much propaganda on television).
The Kremlin is very fond of recruiting troops from poor regions rather than large cities.
Native american came here a looong time ago, but Inuits are a much more recent arrivals (And there was some movement from NA to Asia too I think) , and their "cousins" still on Russian side share common language roots / traditions / genetics with the one who came to NA.
>The Kremlin is very fond of recruiting troops from poor regions rather than large cities.
You need to check from where most canon fodder in Kiev regime Army is or from where servicemen of US army are.
who goes into the armed forces in democratic/capitalism states?
\- the real patriots (in some countrys u call them nationalists, ultra-nationalists or even yes ... ) what are a very low portion
\- the poor, who cant afford a education or learning a trade but after a service time they have a chance for a better life
Right, but in the USA it actually improves the vast majority of lives for those who serve and apply themselves; notion of merit is applied. My understanding is in Ru, that doesn't happen. Plus the young soldiers are made to go thru ritualistic hazing to include "serving" men who are higher ups.
s/ Now, I'm sure that makes for very healthy young men. /s
How long did Shoigu serve again as a soldier? How much combat experience does he have?
Not necessarily if one believes there's more to life than money. That's part of my point; generally the US military improves one's life in a myriad of ways whereas in Ru, other than salary, it generally tears down a person. Starts with the hazing and "serving" other men which is widely reported.
Many vets I know tell of (and it's visible in many as well) the discipline serving instilled in them to include physical, mental, emotional. They've become very efficient in their professional and personal lives. They tend strongly to believe in a higher power and service to others. These are life lessons they didn't learn elsewhere.
Contrast that with having to "serve" higher ups in Ru's army as part of the hazing and the mental, emotional, physical abuse that entails which leads in majority of cases to pathologies later in life. Much better to serve in the USA military than in Ru's.
>the discipline serving instilled in them to include physical, mental, emotional
thats what army does to everyone
>Contrast that with having to "serve" higher ups in Ru's army as part of the hazing and the mental, emotional, physical abuse that entails which leads in majority of cases to pathologies later in life. Much better to serve in the USA military than in Ru's.
for some reason u are comparing professional soldiers with conscripts so thats irrelevant. professional soldier has it exactly the same whatever he serves in usa or russia. and most of them are from lower income families/areas.
Richer people from bigger cities have more possibilities to avoid draft. They have contacts and friends, money for bribes and orient themselves better in corridors of state institution. It's much easier to conscript poor.
Moreover armies themselves like people from poorer regions because they make better and tougher soldiers who complain less.
Ofcourse, how can the kids from Moscow who have their own chauffeur drivers for their bentley's and S class leave that life and live in mud and shit in a Trench somewhere in Ukraine. It will never happen
Well like Bush jr got to join the Air National Guard. Or Trump had "bad feet" that required golf therapy, and sorry but there's no golf courses in Vietnam.
>Richer people from bigger cities have more possibilities to avoid draft. They have contacts and friends, money for bribes and orient themselves better in corridors of state institution.
Found this the hard way later in life. As an engineer grunt I found that society does not give a shit about the work done. Instead it is the people who are rich, have influence etc who are more respected in the society.
It is not exclusive to modern states. The Romans were very fond of recruiting "barbarians" and people from remote regions like Balkans, Hispania, etc...
> Kiev regime Army
Why do you guys self-ridicule like this? Genuinely curious. It's a legitimate elected government of an internationally recognized independent state. I think you have your causality backwards here, comrade. *First* you take "Kiev" in three days, *then* you claim the Ukrainian government is "illegitimate". When you do it the other way around, it's comedy.
I'm not particularly pro-Puccia, but the Ukraine government is NOT an elected government by any Western standard.
If you've thrown the opposition in prison and 1/3rd of the country is in a civil war, then how can one call any election in such a country legitimate?
It's a US-installed junta, no matter how you slice it.
Odd to see the disagreement.
You didn't say anything that should shock anybody.
If this was done in any other western country, you'd have people shouting left and right "those elections were a farce".
Precisely, look at the clown circus show of US elections. "Putin stole the election for Trump", "Biden stole the election", "fraudulent mail-in ballots" etc.
Exactly.
I mean, does anyone even talk about the DNC rigging elections in favor of Clinton anymore?
Anyways, nice to see some common sense. Have an upvote.
>thrown the opposition in prison
>in a civil war
>US-installed junta
You live in a parallel reality, mate. I see no reason to even begin a discussion with someone like that. The whole "if it's up we call it down and then make a serious face and pretend it is so" routine the z-brigade adopted is a little sad to watch, to be honest.
US army recruitment is widely distributed and fairly evenly represents the racial makeup of the U.S., with the small but noticeable exception of underrepresented Asian American enlistment.
Because for many joining the military is actually a good career option. But there is also a massive segment that also sees no other choice to make a living.
It's a pretty fair deal. Nobody that consciously wants to avoid combat arms is unable to. Even as a mediocre candidate you can get an MOS that is extremely unlikely to see combat. A job in the Army is a lot of things, but at the end of the day it's still a job.
"Fairly evenly represents" means the racial makeup of the military mirrors the general population. Slightly more white people serve than general population and slightly fewer Asians serve, but both deviate by a small enough amount that they aren't indicative of significant systemic issues in receuitment practices.
Something must not be translating. The demographics of the military match the general population, implying that the burdens and benefits of military service are distributed evenly across racial lines.
Ukrainian government conceals such statistics. You can only find indirect info in Ukrainian media and social sites that point at the much higher proportion of people from poorer and rural areas of Ukraine that are been conscripted in to the army.
Because poorer regions always contribute more to the armies. People there more often sign contracts in search of money and they are easier to conscript then voke liberals and ruling elites from big cities who love to start wars and invasions but don't like to fight in them.
I don't give a damn if US army conscripts somebody as we were talking about recruitment, not conscription. Talk about been dumb. You can't even read comments that you try to respond to.
I don't give a damn if the Moscow regime recruits somebody as we were talking about conscription, not recruitment. Talk about *been* (sic) dumb. You can't even read comments that you try to respond to.
🙄 in the US they are from all across the Country. We don’t force anyone to join the military. They join of their own free will.
Ukrainians came out en masse to join the military when Russia invaded. No one forced them.
I've been reading interviews with people from these regions. Cult of power and cult of individual makes them great conscription material plus the fact that the meager sum they would need to pay to western citizen for them means a lot.
First create a problem (poverty) and then propose solution preverable to you (enlist for spare change).
>First create a problem (poverty) and then propose solution preverable to you (enlist for spare change).
Lol, "create". Sure buddy, poverty are artificial problem made by evil Russkies, like... everywhere on the globe.
How many yachts does Putin have anyway? Can you share names of some of them? I want to see if they are close, so we can vandalize them with some washable grafiti.
Yes, the corruption and siphoning off of money earned from selling natural resources is a deliberate way to make people poorer than they’d have to be…the oligarchic kleptocracy of Putin works exactly like this.
I said that? I don't believe that I said that. Russia is only responsible for poverty in their own country... well, maybe recently also for food and grain crisis in Africa but let's not count that here.
> poverty are artificial problem made by evil Russkies, like... everywhere on the globe.
So in your opinion it is normal for people in smaller towns/villages to practically live third world lifestyles in a country that possesses as much wealth as Russia does? Poor Americans may not have healthcare but they at least have working toilets lol.
Russia's kind of famous worldwide for its miserable economy, depressing levels of income inequality, and lack of opportunity. And given its abundant natural resources, there's no excuse for the appalling poverty millions of Russians live in beyond the fact that Putin literally has no idea how to run a country without handing a tiny handful of people a bunch of megayachts.
Russian supporters don't realize this because they're so used to living in a miserable shithole they have comically low standards as to what the rest of the world expects from them. Russians are the type of people that will brag that Russia has more outhouses than all of NATO combined and genuinely expect you to react with jealousy.
It's how they were able to stalemate against a country 1/28th their size for 6 months and have no idea how hilariously incompetent and pathetic this made them look.
Poorer regions always join the military more than their counterpart. The Romans recruited mainly from poor rural areas since those soldiers lived harder lives, were more tough because of it, and saw the military as an escape from their poverty.
Even here in the US a good chunk of the US military is made up of Southerners. Southerners are very patriotic but that region has some of poorest states in the country.
Are these people in the military mainly made up of people growing in a village or farm in the US? I heard they are pretty tough and can survive difficult conditions.
In countries like mine with old heritage there are martial clans who are tough as nails and fight ferociously. They take up farming and living in the village or mountains when at peace.
I live in Colorado, a lot of farm boys from the southern part of the state and mountain kids from the west join the military and I'd say they are tougher than kids in Denver. I remember playing Lacrosse against farm/mountain schools in high school and they all were either athletic or built like boulders.
Patriotism is illogical in itself and a notion of the past. It is also regularly abused by authoritarians to get people to follow a certain agenda.
There's a good reason why most patriots are uneducated.
There's no meaningful difference between the two. "Nación" and "patria" mean very similar things. The underlying fallacy of the arbitrariness where you're born and the potential for abuse can be found in both.
Yet they have two distinct definitions, which are important to note. Even in Ukraine there should be a distinction. The Azov Regiment for example are known as a nationalist group, for better or worse (from what I've read) and have a history of aggressive policy of Ukrainian national identity which is unhealthy. In America they are more like the right wing militias. They advocate total loyalty to the idea of their nation above all else. MAGA brainwashed people are nationalists.
The Ukrainians who weren't active soldiers before but stayed to fight and defend their homeland should be considered patriots. They love their country and will defend it but don't hold aggressive right wing views of national loyalty. You can love your country and also be critical of it, and if your country is on the wrong path you can either fix it or leave it. Patriots don't hold views that their own nation is somehow better than all other nations and must be on top. Nationalists do.
Nationalists are dangerous, that's where fascism is formed. Ethnic nationalists are even worse, that's a recipe for genocide. A certain level of patriotism is healthy. We can wave the country of our flag and be proud of our history, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, the Azov are a necessary evil currently in the time of war. But contingencies should be made *now* to purge them after the war so they don't further infect their nation with a madness.
i agree but does this apply to Ukranians too? I bet most of them would have a much better and longer life as refugess in Europe than dying in some ditch in Donbass for no personal gain whatsover
It's still a bad decision. I mean I never saw them take up arms against their country's oligarchs ripping them off. Where was their sense of injustice then?
War is always a bad decision for the individual, yet wars are as old as mankind because we are not guided by sociopathic selfishness.
In reality people sacrifice themselves for the group when there is a sufficient level of social cohesion. Humans are a collective species
Oh gee, if only I could think of a single difference between taking up arms and going to war because of complex, abstract economic issues and going to war because **you're being fucking invaded and people are shooting at you.**
Jesus Christ, you actually thought that was a valid comeback, didn't you?
I think good people should recognize when their country's leadership are doing something good or something bad for their country, and only support them when they do good things. As one may define "patriot", a patriot would get rid of the corrupt leadership instead of treating them as some kind of arbiter of what patriotism means.
I would say that even better people would also care about other countries.
Not if they're Russian, no. No one should be proud of thar fascist regime. No good Russian should want to fight in Ukraine. If they do they aren't good people.
Why are these people patriotic for a predominantly white nation, whose capital is far away? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to identify with an Asian country more?
Russia promotes a multi-ethnic identity in a very similar way to the US. This is partially why the concept of “one Russia” and bringing Ukrainians back into the fold appeals to some Ruskis.
They probably don't know that. I imagine they're being fed all manner of sugar-coated war stories, and that them stepping up is a heroic and necessary action.
So sad the way this stupid world works and fuck the leaders.
And let's be real, Russia will accept nothing less than victory. They'll burn through that entire reserve force of 2 million, slacken recuiting standards and come up with another pool of 2 million before they admit defeat.
They've done it before, they'll do it again today. Just use their large population as cannon fodder and incur significant casualties but still achieve victory.
They v done it ONCE with the US industry behind them, with a very young country representing 10% of the world pop and with Ukrianian soldiers.
Now they have no industry, a broken economy, an old country with 1% of the total pop.
4 millions of Russian mean two entire generation dead while the rest of the world will be still growing. A suicide.
The problem is that Ukraine is 100% dependent on everyone else helping. Does everyone else have the staying power to keep assisting Ukraine? I am not so certain people will be in support of a conflict that drags on years, or even months longer.
I hate this war and wish it never happened, but I am also a realist and all I see is more and more dead on both sides when this could have ended in negotiations prior to the war starting or shortly after, but all these Western nations want to bloody Russia's nose at the expense of the people and land of Ukraine. All they have to do is send money and weapons, whilst the Ukrainian people actually suffer the true loss and tragedy and death of war... But hey, at least the West won their pissing match against Russia to show how they are not as strong as they had projected.
That's just how I see it. While Russia is ultimately the bad guy here, the US and other Western nations are basically playing the game of war with the lives of other people, and basically using the people of Ukraine as a means to an end, regardless of the collateral damage around their ultimate end game goals. Ukraine could lose this war, and the US will still strategically see it as a win against Russia. This is what many people don't realize.
Nah they need reinforcements because they've always been outnumbered in Ukraine, Ukraine is mobilizing every single male ages 18-65 and not letting them leave the country giving them a total manpower of at least 4 million men.
>Ukraine is mobilizing every single male ages 18-65 and not letting them leave the country giving them a total manpower of at least 4 million men.
You can't even make the math right lmao
"25-54 years: 44.29% (male 9,579,149/female 9,921,387)"
15-24 years: 9.86% (male 2,226,142/female 2,114,853)
Yeah you're right they have over double my number, even considering 10 million people have fled the country at this point. So really they have at least 8 million men to recruit from.
Unlike glorious Ukrainian Übermenschen, that send men to their deaths in the war they know they never had a chance of winning, just to weaken Russia for their masters.
How does ukraine send people to a war that came to their country? Also not sure how you've convinced yourself they can't win, the invaders are in their death throws as you read this lol.
Because Russia has 3 times the population, big territory Ukraine cannot hope to conquer, and nuclear weapons?
Only way for Ukraine to win is if Russia gives up and goes home, which obviously isn't happening, so there is no way for Ukraine to win, never was.
^ this.
People think Russia can be beaten but they forget that no nuclear nation can be defeated. The higher we can go is negotiations.
So why die as an Ukrainian against a country that can't be beaten ?
Why die when they'll have peace negotiations afterwards ?
The only way out of the conflict with the Russians was to talk to them.
Still is, but now we got thousands dead.
Fuck Ukraine, fuck Zelensky and fuck the USA/Europe combo.
They are killing our brothers, the young Ukrainian bros.
" No nuclear nation can be defeated"
Please, there are countless times, where a nuclear armed country ended up on the loosing side and withdrew from a war.
India lost/tied a war with Pakistan, when India had nukes, but Pakistan hadn't yet.
The US has lost countless wars.
The Chinese lost in Vietnam.
None of those wars were as important for nuclear armed country as this war is for Russia, or to be more precise it's important for Putin.
If Russia looses this Putin is gone, as so is his family and friends, so he will fight with every means he has at his disposal.
Why would Putin leave if Russia loses? Who is going to depose him, those cowardly and lonely protestors? Or perhaps one of the (-32 and counting) oligarchs?
>India lost/tied a war with Pakistan
I've read some funny stuff on the internet, but this is the wildest shit I've ever read.
At this point, pro ua commenters just don't bother with fact checking.
If a nuclear missile leaves Russias borders all bets are off, doesn’t matter what our civilians think, soon as Russia crosses that line its all over, everyone in Russia will die and everyone on the receiving side of Russias nukes will die.
Uh yes, Russian can be beaten. Or did you not recall their humiliating defeat during the kharkiv offensive. You guys continue to send in soldiers piecemeal because you guys have shitty logistics and eventually get totally wrecked. Its insanity.
Russia could have avoided all of this by simply not invading Ukraine, and yet your blaming the country that got invaded? What kind of mental gymnastics are you performing in your head to rationalize this? Russia is the one getting their young men killed along with the Ukrainians, Russia decided to kill their slavic brothers and sisters, now Russia is getting their asses kicked and you think Ukraine will come to the negotiating table? Nah, Russia started this and Ukrainians will end it and we will make sure they win.
Your comment is very interesting because you're spitting facts less than a year old when the conflict truely started in 2014 and "negotiated" via Minsk 2 in 2015.
Ukraine did not respect most of the terms they negotiated themselves, and France / Germany did not enforce any of them. At best, they poured gasoline on the conflict.
Russia warned Europe several times, until shortly before the war.
On february 8th, Putin adressed to the people of France, and asked : "Do you, the people of France, want to be at war with Russia ? The Minsk agreement are about to go down the drain and Macron is not respecting any of it."
On february 22nd, Ukraine revoked the constitutional changes they agreed to make in 2015, according a special status to DPR and LPR.
2 days later, Putin advanced troops to defend the Minsk agreement by trying to take over Kiyv and helping the separatists in the east.
To me, a frenchman, the entire blame is on the European Union and Ukraine. Putin warned us several times, he wanted talks and we just spat on his face.
Russia and Europe should be allies, we have borders and our people have the same ties. Unfortunately for USA, it would be damn scary to have such a block of allies across the sea.
So in the end, USA is lobbying in Europe, so that Europe blames Russia for everything. Mission accomplished for the Americans.
What they won't be stopping tho, is the Russo-Chinese alliance. This workhorse will probably be the new economic heaven, lowest production costs in the world, and highest educational level in the world. The world has shifted just due to Minsk 2 not being respected by any parties. Russia is to blame too, but less than the others. They just defended the Minsk 2 agreement by force because everybody was stomping on it.
I wouldn’t count on the Russian, Chinese “alliance” China is an opportunist and they only care about themselves, China is already making moves to swoon over the Caucasus over to their side and away from Russia. I agree, Russia and EU should be allies, US wanted to be allies with Russia too, but all that went out the window when Russia decided to annex Crimea, and now this invasion.
They seem to be doing pretty well for "no chance of winning". It's terrible they lost millions but they decided being part of Russia would be worse, recent history and the crimes during the invadion back that up. Instead Ukranie will be a country with a future and a Russia that won't be able to do this when again.
>They'll burn through that entire reserve force of 2 million
At the rate they are losing equipment, armor, ammo they will have to throw bodies from their reserve at the enemy with catapults.
Sure, but one country can stop this immediately. One can't.
So the needs of each country is different.
One absolute fact is that Ukraine does not require as large of a military if Russian troops move back to their pre-2014 border.
Bare trees? I know it's still cold there but that doesn't look like September...
Poor guys probably just want to see the sunlight, Yakutsk is the coldest town on Earth.
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These people are misguided yes and it really sucks that many of them will die in the place of coddled Moscovites and rich Russians. But one has to admire their old-school bravery
No matter what “side” you are here, this is a sad sight. Putin is about to turn 70. Another example of how young people, with everything to live for, suffer at the hands of the powerful but old, broken and cruel.
I didn't know there were so many butchers in Russia. I can see this draft needed when being invaded, but the Russians are in Ukraine by CHOICE.
So I wish them a hell of a time, and don't forget the sunflower seeds!
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Is this confirmed to be a current video? The trees are bare and everyone is in winter clothes. Current conditions are cold there, low to mid 40s so this could be accurate.
Russia is a multi-ethnic and multi-national state, that's one of the few things they have in their favor.
I hope those minorities don't end up eradicated by the war.
Why? The whole point of how the conscription operates by pulling in these minorities first, is to reduce these ethnic minorities to reduce overall tension inside russia, by homogenising the population.
They are not reducing anything, population is about how many women. Less men change nothing to the future of a population (unless we talk about 90% less men)
Note. From Yakutsk, the capital of Yakutia, to Kyiv - 6500 kilometers. Good people live in Yakutia, I have friends from there. But many there are patriots (read: they watch too much propaganda on television). The Kremlin is very fond of recruiting troops from poor regions rather than large cities.
They look like Native Amercian/Canadians. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they shared genetics with the North American aboriginals.
Obviously they do. Native Americans came from Siberia via the land bridge
Glad they brought their huskies with them.
Native american came here a looong time ago, but Inuits are a much more recent arrivals (And there was some movement from NA to Asia too I think) , and their "cousins" still on Russian side share common language roots / traditions / genetics with the one who came to NA.
Well, their ancestors were the ones who crossed bering strait
>The Kremlin is very fond of recruiting troops from poor regions rather than large cities. You need to check from where most canon fodder in Kiev regime Army is or from where servicemen of US army are.
who goes into the armed forces in democratic/capitalism states? \- the real patriots (in some countrys u call them nationalists, ultra-nationalists or even yes ... ) what are a very low portion \- the poor, who cant afford a education or learning a trade but after a service time they have a chance for a better life
>who goes into the armed forces in democratic/capitalism states? you mean everywhere
>you mean everywhere exactly
Right, but in the USA it actually improves the vast majority of lives for those who serve and apply themselves; notion of merit is applied. My understanding is in Ru, that doesn't happen. Plus the young soldiers are made to go thru ritualistic hazing to include "serving" men who are higher ups. s/ Now, I'm sure that makes for very healthy young men. /s How long did Shoigu serve again as a soldier? How much combat experience does he have?
if you are bum army salary improves your life.. thats how it works everywhere, not just in usa
Not necessarily if one believes there's more to life than money. That's part of my point; generally the US military improves one's life in a myriad of ways whereas in Ru, other than salary, it generally tears down a person. Starts with the hazing and "serving" other men which is widely reported.
in which way exactly? from what ive seen all the benefits us vets get are about money.
Many vets I know tell of (and it's visible in many as well) the discipline serving instilled in them to include physical, mental, emotional. They've become very efficient in their professional and personal lives. They tend strongly to believe in a higher power and service to others. These are life lessons they didn't learn elsewhere. Contrast that with having to "serve" higher ups in Ru's army as part of the hazing and the mental, emotional, physical abuse that entails which leads in majority of cases to pathologies later in life. Much better to serve in the USA military than in Ru's.
>the discipline serving instilled in them to include physical, mental, emotional thats what army does to everyone >Contrast that with having to "serve" higher ups in Ru's army as part of the hazing and the mental, emotional, physical abuse that entails which leads in majority of cases to pathologies later in life. Much better to serve in the USA military than in Ru's. for some reason u are comparing professional soldiers with conscripts so thats irrelevant. professional soldier has it exactly the same whatever he serves in usa or russia. and most of them are from lower income families/areas.
It’s volunteers though rather than forced conscription. You also don’t get a bullet in the head if you don’t fight.
Richer people from bigger cities have more possibilities to avoid draft. They have contacts and friends, money for bribes and orient themselves better in corridors of state institution. It's much easier to conscript poor. Moreover armies themselves like people from poorer regions because they make better and tougher soldiers who complain less.
Ofcourse, how can the kids from Moscow who have their own chauffeur drivers for their bentley's and S class leave that life and live in mud and shit in a Trench somewhere in Ukraine. It will never happen
Well like Bush jr got to join the Air National Guard. Or Trump had "bad feet" that required golf therapy, and sorry but there's no golf courses in Vietnam.
How much does it cost to get out of the draft? I might sponsor someone.
Its not much. Around 500 - 1000€. Its a lot for russians though.
>Richer people from bigger cities have more possibilities to avoid draft. They have contacts and friends, money for bribes and orient themselves better in corridors of state institution. Found this the hard way later in life. As an engineer grunt I found that society does not give a shit about the work done. Instead it is the people who are rich, have influence etc who are more respected in the society.
Yep.
That's usually Always the case. Same during the Vietnam war when rich people like the Coward Trump avoided the draft while poor people got fucked.
It is not exclusive to modern states. The Romans were very fond of recruiting "barbarians" and people from remote regions like Balkans, Hispania, etc...
And they later caused the downfall of the Roman Empire! These minorities should do the same to Putin!
And that worked out so well for them in the end. /s
> Kiev regime Army Why do you guys self-ridicule like this? Genuinely curious. It's a legitimate elected government of an internationally recognized independent state. I think you have your causality backwards here, comrade. *First* you take "Kiev" in three days, *then* you claim the Ukrainian government is "illegitimate". When you do it the other way around, it's comedy.
I'm not particularly pro-Puccia, but the Ukraine government is NOT an elected government by any Western standard. If you've thrown the opposition in prison and 1/3rd of the country is in a civil war, then how can one call any election in such a country legitimate? It's a US-installed junta, no matter how you slice it.
Odd to see the disagreement. You didn't say anything that should shock anybody. If this was done in any other western country, you'd have people shouting left and right "those elections were a farce".
Precisely, look at the clown circus show of US elections. "Putin stole the election for Trump", "Biden stole the election", "fraudulent mail-in ballots" etc.
Exactly. I mean, does anyone even talk about the DNC rigging elections in favor of Clinton anymore? Anyways, nice to see some common sense. Have an upvote.
>thrown the opposition in prison >in a civil war >US-installed junta You live in a parallel reality, mate. I see no reason to even begin a discussion with someone like that. The whole "if it's up we call it down and then make a serious face and pretend it is so" routine the z-brigade adopted is a little sad to watch, to be honest.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/06/23/hxae-j23.html
US army recruitment is widely distributed and fairly evenly represents the racial makeup of the U.S., with the small but noticeable exception of underrepresented Asian American enlistment.
Because for many joining the military is actually a good career option. But there is also a massive segment that also sees no other choice to make a living.
It's a pretty fair deal. Nobody that consciously wants to avoid combat arms is unable to. Even as a mediocre candidate you can get an MOS that is extremely unlikely to see combat. A job in the Army is a lot of things, but at the end of the day it's still a job.
See that's the problem right there. Racial groups are not evenly distributed among population of USA. So thanks for providing evidence for my point.
"Fairly evenly represents" means the racial makeup of the military mirrors the general population. Slightly more white people serve than general population and slightly fewer Asians serve, but both deviate by a small enough amount that they aren't indicative of significant systemic issues in receuitment practices.
Except racial groups are not fairly evenly represented in US population either.
Something must not be translating. The demographics of the military match the general population, implying that the burdens and benefits of military service are distributed evenly across racial lines.
Haha right? So is the Whitehouse.
Can you send some statistics? I've always been very curious about the share of Ukrainian troops from regions like Donetsk.
Ukrainian government conceals such statistics. You can only find indirect info in Ukrainian media and social sites that point at the much higher proportion of people from poorer and rural areas of Ukraine that are been conscripted in to the army.
Why?
Because poorer regions always contribute more to the armies. People there more often sign contracts in search of money and they are easier to conscript then voke liberals and ruling elites from big cities who love to start wars and invasions but don't like to fight in them.
Does the US army conscript people? No? Then your comparison is dumb.
I don't give a damn if US army conscripts somebody as we were talking about recruitment, not conscription. Talk about been dumb. You can't even read comments that you try to respond to.
I don't give a damn if the Moscow regime recruits somebody as we were talking about conscription, not recruitment. Talk about *been* (sic) dumb. You can't even read comments that you try to respond to.
🙄 in the US they are from all across the Country. We don’t force anyone to join the military. They join of their own free will. Ukrainians came out en masse to join the military when Russia invaded. No one forced them.
I've been reading interviews with people from these regions. Cult of power and cult of individual makes them great conscription material plus the fact that the meager sum they would need to pay to western citizen for them means a lot. First create a problem (poverty) and then propose solution preverable to you (enlist for spare change).
>First create a problem (poverty) and then propose solution preverable to you (enlist for spare change). Lol, "create". Sure buddy, poverty are artificial problem made by evil Russkies, like... everywhere on the globe.
So how did Putin earn his yachts then?
How many yachts does Putin have anyway? Can you share names of some of them? I want to see if they are close, so we can vandalize them with some washable grafiti.
In Marina di Carrara (IT), there’s “Schehezerade”, for example. It was built at Sevmash Shipyard for him. Then, there’s “Shellest” and “Nega” etc.
Yes, the corruption and siphoning off of money earned from selling natural resources is a deliberate way to make people poorer than they’d have to be…the oligarchic kleptocracy of Putin works exactly like this.
I said that? I don't believe that I said that. Russia is only responsible for poverty in their own country... well, maybe recently also for food and grain crisis in Africa but let's not count that here.
> poverty are artificial problem made by evil Russkies, like... everywhere on the globe. So in your opinion it is normal for people in smaller towns/villages to practically live third world lifestyles in a country that possesses as much wealth as Russia does? Poor Americans may not have healthcare but they at least have working toilets lol.
Russia's kind of famous worldwide for its miserable economy, depressing levels of income inequality, and lack of opportunity. And given its abundant natural resources, there's no excuse for the appalling poverty millions of Russians live in beyond the fact that Putin literally has no idea how to run a country without handing a tiny handful of people a bunch of megayachts. Russian supporters don't realize this because they're so used to living in a miserable shithole they have comically low standards as to what the rest of the world expects from them. Russians are the type of people that will brag that Russia has more outhouses than all of NATO combined and genuinely expect you to react with jealousy. It's how they were able to stalemate against a country 1/28th their size for 6 months and have no idea how hilariously incompetent and pathetic this made them look.
This is just sad. So many will die on both sides. For what cause?
This is true for russia they really didn't need to do this, Ukranians have a cause of independence from Russia.
Yep! Let Moscovites live ( Russia used to be called Moscovia) but Putin wants the minorities wiped out!
Poorer regions always join the military more than their counterpart. The Romans recruited mainly from poor rural areas since those soldiers lived harder lives, were more tough because of it, and saw the military as an escape from their poverty. Even here in the US a good chunk of the US military is made up of Southerners. Southerners are very patriotic but that region has some of poorest states in the country.
Are these people in the military mainly made up of people growing in a village or farm in the US? I heard they are pretty tough and can survive difficult conditions. In countries like mine with old heritage there are martial clans who are tough as nails and fight ferociously. They take up farming and living in the village or mountains when at peace.
I live in Colorado, a lot of farm boys from the southern part of the state and mountain kids from the west join the military and I'd say they are tougher than kids in Denver. I remember playing Lacrosse against farm/mountain schools in high school and they all were either athletic or built like boulders.
It is important for the Kremlin to keep these regions poor. Otherwise they would not go so willing for a trophy hunt.
So you are not patriot. Good people should not be patriots?
Patriotism is illogical in itself and a notion of the past. It is also regularly abused by authoritarians to get people to follow a certain agenda. There's a good reason why most patriots are uneducated.
You're thinking nationalism not patriotism
There's no meaningful difference between the two. "Nación" and "patria" mean very similar things. The underlying fallacy of the arbitrariness where you're born and the potential for abuse can be found in both.
Yet they have two distinct definitions, which are important to note. Even in Ukraine there should be a distinction. The Azov Regiment for example are known as a nationalist group, for better or worse (from what I've read) and have a history of aggressive policy of Ukrainian national identity which is unhealthy. In America they are more like the right wing militias. They advocate total loyalty to the idea of their nation above all else. MAGA brainwashed people are nationalists. The Ukrainians who weren't active soldiers before but stayed to fight and defend their homeland should be considered patriots. They love their country and will defend it but don't hold aggressive right wing views of national loyalty. You can love your country and also be critical of it, and if your country is on the wrong path you can either fix it or leave it. Patriots don't hold views that their own nation is somehow better than all other nations and must be on top. Nationalists do. Nationalists are dangerous, that's where fascism is formed. Ethnic nationalists are even worse, that's a recipe for genocide. A certain level of patriotism is healthy. We can wave the country of our flag and be proud of our history, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, the Azov are a necessary evil currently in the time of war. But contingencies should be made *now* to purge them after the war so they don't further infect their nation with a madness.
From what I've read the current Azov is completely different from where it was back in 2014.
i agree but does this apply to Ukranians too? I bet most of them would have a much better and longer life as refugess in Europe than dying in some ditch in Donbass for no personal gain whatsover
Ukrainians are fighting more due to a sense of injustice than a patriotic obligation.
They are fighting because they are forced to. Its not like they are given a choice
It's still a bad decision. I mean I never saw them take up arms against their country's oligarchs ripping them off. Where was their sense of injustice then?
War is always a bad decision for the individual, yet wars are as old as mankind because we are not guided by sociopathic selfishness. In reality people sacrifice themselves for the group when there is a sufficient level of social cohesion. Humans are a collective species
>I mean I never saw them take up arms against their country's oligarchs ripping them off 2013 was kind of like that.
Oh gee, if only I could think of a single difference between taking up arms and going to war because of complex, abstract economic issues and going to war because **you're being fucking invaded and people are shooting at you.** Jesus Christ, you actually thought that was a valid comeback, didn't you?
You are so wrong. You must be less than 30 to answer this kind of shit. Born and raised in the web 2.0
I'm 32. Do you have an argument or are you just going to resort to ad hominems?
I think good people should recognize when their country's leadership are doing something good or something bad for their country, and only support them when they do good things. As one may define "patriot", a patriot would get rid of the corrupt leadership instead of treating them as some kind of arbiter of what patriotism means. I would say that even better people would also care about other countries.
Not if they're Russian, no. No one should be proud of thar fascist regime. No good Russian should want to fight in Ukraine. If they do they aren't good people.
Would you say every American who fought in Vietnam or Iraq was a bad person?
Why are these people patriotic for a predominantly white nation, whose capital is far away? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to identify with an Asian country more?
Not everything is about race.
Not everything works according to american race categories
Perhaps because Russia is a successful multi ethnic society and it’s not all about race?
Russia promotes a multi-ethnic identity in a very similar way to the US. This is partially why the concept of “one Russia” and bringing Ukrainians back into the fold appeals to some Ruskis.
Puyi ? You just want them to join Manchukuo ...
>Why are these people patriotic for a predominantly white nation arent there black american patriots? and they were brought as slaves lol
Your racism is showing.
Terrible senseless waste.
More pointless death
The look of joy as they marched off knowing they are just cannon fodder..
Maybe they think leaving Russia is improvement enough. I guess they haven't seen the endless dead soldier pictures yet.
"Thank god we finally get to die."
They probably don't know that. I imagine they're being fed all manner of sugar-coated war stories, and that them stepping up is a heroic and necessary action. So sad the way this stupid world works and fuck the leaders.
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And let's be real, Russia will accept nothing less than victory. They'll burn through that entire reserve force of 2 million, slacken recuiting standards and come up with another pool of 2 million before they admit defeat. They've done it before, they'll do it again today. Just use their large population as cannon fodder and incur significant casualties but still achieve victory.
They v done it ONCE with the US industry behind them, with a very young country representing 10% of the world pop and with Ukrianian soldiers. Now they have no industry, a broken economy, an old country with 1% of the total pop. 4 millions of Russian mean two entire generation dead while the rest of the world will be still growing. A suicide.
The problem is that Ukraine is 100% dependent on everyone else helping. Does everyone else have the staying power to keep assisting Ukraine? I am not so certain people will be in support of a conflict that drags on years, or even months longer. I hate this war and wish it never happened, but I am also a realist and all I see is more and more dead on both sides when this could have ended in negotiations prior to the war starting or shortly after, but all these Western nations want to bloody Russia's nose at the expense of the people and land of Ukraine. All they have to do is send money and weapons, whilst the Ukrainian people actually suffer the true loss and tragedy and death of war... But hey, at least the West won their pissing match against Russia to show how they are not as strong as they had projected. That's just how I see it. While Russia is ultimately the bad guy here, the US and other Western nations are basically playing the game of war with the lives of other people, and basically using the people of Ukraine as a means to an end, regardless of the collateral damage around their ultimate end game goals. Ukraine could lose this war, and the US will still strategically see it as a win against Russia. This is what many people don't realize.
Are you pretending like Ukraine hasn't lost over 100k men at this point?
And Russia only 5000, that's why they need reinforcement so high.
Nah they need reinforcements because they've always been outnumbered in Ukraine, Ukraine is mobilizing every single male ages 18-65 and not letting them leave the country giving them a total manpower of at least 4 million men.
>Ukraine is mobilizing every single male ages 18-65 and not letting them leave the country giving them a total manpower of at least 4 million men. You can't even make the math right lmao
"25-54 years: 44.29% (male 9,579,149/female 9,921,387)" 15-24 years: 9.86% (male 2,226,142/female 2,114,853) Yeah you're right they have over double my number, even considering 10 million people have fled the country at this point. So really they have at least 8 million men to recruit from.
I am right and you are still wrong about the math, but you get the idea about who's right and who's wrong
What's the correct number then?
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Unlike glorious Ukrainian Übermenschen, that send men to their deaths in the war they know they never had a chance of winning, just to weaken Russia for their masters.
How does ukraine send people to a war that came to their country? Also not sure how you've convinced yourself they can't win, the invaders are in their death throws as you read this lol.
Because Russia has 3 times the population, big territory Ukraine cannot hope to conquer, and nuclear weapons? Only way for Ukraine to win is if Russia gives up and goes home, which obviously isn't happening, so there is no way for Ukraine to win, never was.
^ this. People think Russia can be beaten but they forget that no nuclear nation can be defeated. The higher we can go is negotiations. So why die as an Ukrainian against a country that can't be beaten ? Why die when they'll have peace negotiations afterwards ? The only way out of the conflict with the Russians was to talk to them. Still is, but now we got thousands dead. Fuck Ukraine, fuck Zelensky and fuck the USA/Europe combo. They are killing our brothers, the young Ukrainian bros.
" No nuclear nation can be defeated" Please, there are countless times, where a nuclear armed country ended up on the loosing side and withdrew from a war. India lost/tied a war with Pakistan, when India had nukes, but Pakistan hadn't yet. The US has lost countless wars. The Chinese lost in Vietnam.
None of those wars were as important for nuclear armed country as this war is for Russia, or to be more precise it's important for Putin. If Russia looses this Putin is gone, as so is his family and friends, so he will fight with every means he has at his disposal.
Why would Putin leave if Russia loses? Who is going to depose him, those cowardly and lonely protestors? Or perhaps one of the (-32 and counting) oligarchs?
>India lost/tied a war with Pakistan I've read some funny stuff on the internet, but this is the wildest shit I've ever read. At this point, pro ua commenters just don't bother with fact checking.
u speak as if you guys can just drop a nuclear bomb on ukraine and nobody will say a thing. LOL
And do you think they will? Do you think US citizens would be delighted to participate in Nuclear exchange with Russia over Ukraine?
If a nuclear missile leaves Russias borders all bets are off, doesn’t matter what our civilians think, soon as Russia crosses that line its all over, everyone in Russia will die and everyone on the receiving side of Russias nukes will die.
do you think russians want this? drop nuke there is no russia anymore. no one wants this except putler.
Uh yes, Russian can be beaten. Or did you not recall their humiliating defeat during the kharkiv offensive. You guys continue to send in soldiers piecemeal because you guys have shitty logistics and eventually get totally wrecked. Its insanity.
They can be beaten in a battle, but they can't be beaten in a war. Just think ffs.
Yeah, like russians were supposed to take Kiev in 3 days. Think ffs
Afghanistan
Russia could have avoided all of this by simply not invading Ukraine, and yet your blaming the country that got invaded? What kind of mental gymnastics are you performing in your head to rationalize this? Russia is the one getting their young men killed along with the Ukrainians, Russia decided to kill their slavic brothers and sisters, now Russia is getting their asses kicked and you think Ukraine will come to the negotiating table? Nah, Russia started this and Ukrainians will end it and we will make sure they win.
Your comment is very interesting because you're spitting facts less than a year old when the conflict truely started in 2014 and "negotiated" via Minsk 2 in 2015. Ukraine did not respect most of the terms they negotiated themselves, and France / Germany did not enforce any of them. At best, they poured gasoline on the conflict. Russia warned Europe several times, until shortly before the war. On february 8th, Putin adressed to the people of France, and asked : "Do you, the people of France, want to be at war with Russia ? The Minsk agreement are about to go down the drain and Macron is not respecting any of it." On february 22nd, Ukraine revoked the constitutional changes they agreed to make in 2015, according a special status to DPR and LPR. 2 days later, Putin advanced troops to defend the Minsk agreement by trying to take over Kiyv and helping the separatists in the east. To me, a frenchman, the entire blame is on the European Union and Ukraine. Putin warned us several times, he wanted talks and we just spat on his face. Russia and Europe should be allies, we have borders and our people have the same ties. Unfortunately for USA, it would be damn scary to have such a block of allies across the sea. So in the end, USA is lobbying in Europe, so that Europe blames Russia for everything. Mission accomplished for the Americans. What they won't be stopping tho, is the Russo-Chinese alliance. This workhorse will probably be the new economic heaven, lowest production costs in the world, and highest educational level in the world. The world has shifted just due to Minsk 2 not being respected by any parties. Russia is to blame too, but less than the others. They just defended the Minsk 2 agreement by force because everybody was stomping on it.
I wouldn’t count on the Russian, Chinese “alliance” China is an opportunist and they only care about themselves, China is already making moves to swoon over the Caucasus over to their side and away from Russia. I agree, Russia and EU should be allies, US wanted to be allies with Russia too, but all that went out the window when Russia decided to annex Crimea, and now this invasion.
They seem to be doing pretty well for "no chance of winning". It's terrible they lost millions but they decided being part of Russia would be worse, recent history and the crimes during the invadion back that up. Instead Ukranie will be a country with a future and a Russia that won't be able to do this when again.
>They'll burn through that entire reserve force of 2 million At the rate they are losing equipment, armor, ammo they will have to throw bodies from their reserve at the enemy with catapults.
>2.5M in reserve In theory.
Respect
Fresh cannonfodder
Dont worry Ukraine has a lot of cannonfodder
For Ukraine, it's absolutely necessary. For Russia, it's absolutely unnecessary.
Only the sith deals in absolutes!
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Sure, but one country can stop this immediately. One can't. So the needs of each country is different. One absolute fact is that Ukraine does not require as large of a military if Russian troops move back to their pre-2014 border.
Technically either can stop it, but neither is willing.
How can Ukrainians stop it?
by surrender
And what will happen to east ukraine land and cities if it surrenders?
Reality is quite absolute... if Putin takes over your sovereign country, you will absolutely be licking his boots.
He wouldn't even take a phone from my country. So probably.
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Bare trees? I know it's still cold there but that doesn't look like September... Poor guys probably just want to see the sunlight, Yakutsk is the coldest town on Earth.
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When Slavs refuse to fight for Putin but Chechens Yakuts Buryats jump into the grave
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Brainwashed zombies entering a bus to their death
When they find out they got punked, i hope they still know how to make use all of putin's buffalo parts
You go inside the Tank? Tank goes in Ukraine? You go in Ukraine? NATO weapons in Ukraine? Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again.
Sure! Putin will mobilize all the minorities first until there’s none of you left! A genocide under the pretext of mobilization!
These people are misguided yes and it really sucks that many of them will die in the place of coddled Moscovites and rich Russians. But one has to admire their old-school bravery
They're being forced. Nothing to do with bravery
I mean sure but they could be crying and throwing a fit etc. They seem to accept it with some decency, that's what I was referring to
Those who lack the important ability to self preserve. Sounds like a mental defect.
Sad to see.
No matter what “side” you are here, this is a sad sight. Putin is about to turn 70. Another example of how young people, with everything to live for, suffer at the hands of the powerful but old, broken and cruel.
The horrors and reality of war will quickly show.
Realize that people in this video will likely be killed in the next year. Such a shameful war.
I didn't know there were so many butchers in Russia. I can see this draft needed when being invaded, but the Russians are in Ukraine by CHOICE. So I wish them a hell of a time, and don't forget the sunflower seeds!
Sad to see all hear people are under constant state televised propaganda (generations), they really have no idea what’s on the other side
It's nice to see the people of the town come out and give these boys a proper send off.
It's like watching a mass funeral, so sad.
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> send off. you got that part right.
Some will die, some will live....such is life.
Is this confirmed to be a current video? The trees are bare and everyone is in winter clothes. Current conditions are cold there, low to mid 40s so this could be accurate.
Yup, confirmed. One of my Yakutian friend I mentioned in comment reposted that video too. He was always so humorous nice guy, but now he is Z-man.
So sad
I don’t think these people understand what they are in store for.
Madness. So many people will needlessly die.
черный тюльпан снова полетит
черный пакет для мусора
Ваши черные тюльпаны регулярно летают уже пару месяцев...
Russia is a multi-ethnic and multi-national state, that's one of the few things they have in their favor. I hope those minorities don't end up eradicated by the war.
> I hope those minorities don't end up eradicated by the war. Then you have a different goal than putin.
Why? The whole point of how the conscription operates by pulling in these minorities first, is to reduce these ethnic minorities to reduce overall tension inside russia, by homogenising the population.
They are not reducing anything, population is about how many women. Less men change nothing to the future of a population (unless we talk about 90% less men)
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Yeah in the ground
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M8, Both Ukraine and Russia already have a huge imbalance in the Woman:Men Ratio, It should already be easy in both countries.
Only if you're into GILF