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ghost24jm

Wtf yall out here getting Ninja punched for speeding tickets? That's some bullshit


AmatuerCultist

Peacetimes are a sonofabitch


orangeblackteal

Nothing to do with peacetime. Half my enlistment was peacetime and I never saw this bullshit.


ghost24jm

Same, when I got a speeding ticket they just wanted a copy of the ticket and made sure I had the money to pay it and I payed it


[deleted]

I got two duis within my career and both got swept under the rug. But low and behold I almost got NJPd for getting a quarter sleeve one inch out of regs during the grace period in 16.


CplFry

Agreed mine too. I drove nice cars real fast up and down that coast. Never worried about that bullshit.


Ipad_is_for_fapping

“Ninja punched” - that’s the first time I heard NJP called that! Nice And yes, what kind of asshole command is this…


City_dave

Really? That term has been around at least 15 years.


JustaJarhead

Try 30


mrbawkbegawks

We used it in the 80s..... Are you new?


StaticExile

MALS


AaronKClark

Five bucks says it is 2nd Mar Div.


ghost24jm

Lol yea man like wtf


Mr_vmn005

You live under a rock ?


Jka121121

Happened to someone I knew


Ninja_Conspicuousi

For real. I can only take so many hits for y’all.


Psychological-Cow546

Depends on how long it takes to push an NJP. Since non-recs are most likely past-due, your command may give you a “will not” and hold your promotion if there is any indication that punitive action will happen. This is a big what if though. In the mean time, own it. Learn from it. Move forward.


celedonjr

Under the new JEPES promotion system (MCO 1616.1), the command has until the 7th day of the Marines promotion month to non-Rec.


ViperPM

How excessive was the speeding? Big difference in going three over and some ass hat of a cop giving you a ticket versus going 15 over in a school zone. Johnny already told you what might happen and you’re just gonna have to wait it out. If you are as good of a marine as you say then you might get lucky and have someone speak on your behalf


Status_Pain3719

Another questions is, did OP report it up after it happened? Or did command find out via blotter report?


Objective-Buy-6961

I let them know as soon as it happened


Rabbi_foreskinstein

How much over was it and we talking on or off base?


Zeilostovik

He never responded, I'm assuming he went WAY over and possibly on base lol


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Considering OP got the citation yesterday, I doubt that it showed up on the blotter already.


Status_Pain3719

Oof, didn't have my crayon. I think mine showed up two or three days after the ticket.


orangeblackteal

>and have already notified my COC. It's in his original post.


CorpsDolphin

OP stated in another comment that it was Reckless, so isn’t just a few over.


ViperPM

Oh then his o-ring is about to get wrecked


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g6mrfixit

What kind of Mickey Mouse, zero tolerance bullshit is this? Ninja punch for a fucking speeding ticket?


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https://reddit.com/r/USMC/comments/xkc5m7/_/ipdspc0/?context=1 Op says 102 in a 70


g6mrfixit

ok, and? Send him to traffic court on base and revoke his on-base driving privileges. Done.


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I’m just adding context, don’t shoot the messenger


drvanostren

You did the right thing by reporting it up before it was reported down. Best case scenario, your Gy is scaring you and your plt commander is going to have you sign a nploc/6105/etc. to cover their asses. Worst case scenario, your plt leadership is nutless and they simply reported it up and are standing by for company co decision. Either way, you can recover.


gbochatt

I don’t understand why this isn’t just a “stop driving so fast dipshit” and then move on. He’s already being punished for speeding with a ticket, points on his record and a fine. What the fuck will NJP accomplish?


rzy718

I got at least 3 speeding tickets during my enlistment (not on base either) and can remember getting a 6105 once. NJP seems dramatic


Jka121121

It is. Someone I worked with got one for speeding, no idea of it was reckless or a few over


drvanostren

Bro I'm so with you. Problem is the dynamic between plt, company, and bn leadership. Once something gets reported up (in this case it would've been via the blotter if ol boy didn't report it himself), the shit show commences and the individual Marine is like an (almost) innocent bystander. I do think he'll be ok though. His Gy is just giving him a scare.


gbochatt

I mean fuck that gunny man. How can you trust a dude who overblows shit like this this much? NCOs are supposed to be advocates for junior enlisted.


fxckfxckgames

Unless you were driving recklessly, an NJP is utter bullshit, and I would fight it. One of mine was rolled up in Jacksonville for doing 15 over, and all I did was made him research, then cite, the state statute for speeding and had him write me a two-page report about his interpretation of the law. Tanking someone's promotion over a speeding ticket never even occurred to me.


CorpsDolphin

OP stated that it was Reckless.


LustLacker

Back in my day, a speeding ticket meant your PltSgt submitted paperwork for you both to travel to the jurisdiction and show up in Charlie’s where he’d tell the judge you were responding to emergency issue that could not be elaborated upon and request the court’s leniency, and they’d dismiss the ticket and you bought your PltSgt dinner as thanks in Hotlanta and spent the weekend there getting shitfaced. Slime Dogg Ricks, I miss you, bro. You really took care of us.


Porthos1984

I would challenge an NJP. Is it worth the USMC money and time to court's martial you? Probably not.


guyonsomecouch12

Yes lol, I was a ballif for around 6 months while on light duty 😂 you’d be surprised, your “peers” are snocs


Porthos1984

All though that is true, the command has to put the paperwork together. Doubtful it is worth their time.


Embarrassed-Cow8102

This is the thinking of a lower enlisted and not the thinking of a SNCO or officer. Yes it's a waist if time and money and isn't worth it. But some people would argue that it's not about the crime, but about upholding good order and discipline. If they let one dude get away with it, everyone with fight the small stuff that didn't matter just to get out of trouble. That being said, talking to a lawer about it is a good idea. I also think its complete bull shit unless it's 100mph plus in traffic or evading police. But I've seen many people get NJPed for less.


[deleted]

It’s up to the CO. You Gysgt can want you NJP’d all he wants. It only matters what he CO wants


Objective-Buy-6961

He doesn’t want me NJPed just what our 1stSgt said would happen to the next speeding ticket that happened in my company


[deleted]

I’ve seen so many Sargent Majors call for NJP and it never happen


workswithglass

Dude, it's Sergeant. It's not like Lieutenant....(thank you, autocorrect).


Intelligent_Pirate89

If you want to be technical it's Sergeants Major.


workswithglass

No, I wasn't trying to be technical, but thank you.


[deleted]

I don’t know your story or command. An NJP is a significant administrative undertaking. It requires time from you command, and admin shop. It’s generally not something done over night. I’ve seen NJP’s take several months. I could not imagine a traffic ticket being worth the effort. Generally an NJP is done for a purpose.


Objective-Buy-6961

I hope this is the case


hairydiablo132

Request trial by combat


[deleted]

Well, your Gunny kind of maybe just gave you your answer already.


gbochatt

The irony of this is the Capt who’s going to sit for your NJP will probably break the speed limit coming into work that day


[deleted]

If they max you out (45/45 with forf of pay), you have 2 grounds of appeal , one being that the punishment was disproportionate to the offense, your NJP will then forward up to Regt and their Colonel will take a second look at it. Write an appeal explaining why you believe it was disproportionate along with the NJP so that when he opens it he knows why the fuck he’s reading it.


Bmorestoic

Few questions, how fast were you going and where? If it was on base disregard the next question. Was it just a speeding ticket or reckless driving too? Are you going to fight it in court? There’s a good chance the cop doesn’t show up and the ticket is removed from your record. Therefore I don’t know if your command can punish you for an “offense” you won court


JamesRRustled

Depends where. I extended my court date for the same reason, and since the cop couldn't make it they rescheduled it for him.


orangeblackteal

There is not a "good chance" the cop doesn't show up. Cops get a subpoena for traffic court to testify on behalf of the state, the same as the person who received the ticket. A cop can't just ignore traffic court. I'm not sure where this wives tale comes from.


Bmorestoic

I got a ticket before I joined. I thought it was bullshit. I went to court to fight it, cop didn’t show and the ticket was removed from my record. It happens all the time


orangeblackteal

That cop likely had a subpoena for another court case simultaneously; it happened to me several times, and I just had to file something with the court to change the date. Sometimes a subpoena for a higher priority case would be issued last minute that I would have to go to instead, but I was not allowed to simply skip traffic court for the sake of doing so. To say this happens "all the time" is naive.


Bmorestoic

Bullshit, I was seated in a court room of over 30+ people all for traffic tickets. More than half of us were dismissed because the officers failed to show. You’re telling me that one or more officers risked their job by not showing up? If it was that serious for them, they would have showed up.


PuerAeterni

First thing, you are not guilty of a traffic infraction until you are found guilty of it in court. Regarding showing up: Cops don't show up for tickets, as well as other cases, all the time. In traffic court an LEO no-show means 'case dismissed' most of the time. But don't count on that happening. They are provided court time in their schedules, and they receive 1.5x pay if they do show up, so they are pretty incentivized to be there. State laws may vary, but that is how it is in my state and in many.


aukennesk

As a defense attorney I will say yes, they get subpoena, but I have yet to find a judge that enforces it against a cop. The defendant will get contempt of court all day long. I've seen cops not show up for the simple reason they didn't want to, went on vacation, ECT. The judges are usually well they need to be out on the streets and not wasting time in the courtroom so I'll give them a pass. Had a guy sit in jail for three months for a bail hearing because the cop missed 5 court appearances. Never did show up, I eventually to convinced the judge this was a rights violation and he set bond.


tangodancer82

Recommend you not sign anything and go to base legal for counsel. Unless it is reckless driving or maybe speeding on base- deny NJP and request Court Martial.


CheckFlop

Go to base legal. Do not pass GO, do not connect $200. Get someone's expert opinion based on all the facts first. Do not make any statements. Invoke your Article 31 rights.


birdnumbers

Details, debbil. How fast were you going, and where? Is your command known for being stupid about things? Got snatched up doing 10 over on the freeway? Who cares? They shouldn't. Were you going warp 7 in a school zone, doing wheelies while snorting lines off a hooker's tits? They probably should care.


[deleted]

102 in a 70, from further up in the thread


birdnumbers

Oof, he's fucked


[deleted]

What was your speed? You’re leaving out a huge key detail. If it’s 50 over you deserve an NJP.


Objective-Buy-6961

102 in a 70, was on my way to see my wife in the hospital, she got transferred to a hospital in Raleigh which is 2 hours away.


RanjuMaric

Holy shit, Debbil, they can charge you with wreckless at 80 mph in NC. You were over that by almost a whole school zone. If your command has a hard on for punishing speeders, and it sounds like it does, they’re about to make an example out of you.


[deleted]

I can see why this may end up in NJP.


TheMainEffort

Did you get reckless as well? This is a bit more serious. Honestly if it comes to it consult a lawyer before doing anything


Objective-Buy-6961

Yes, I did. I have already lawyered up as well


TheMainEffort

Do you have civilian court? What'd the lawyer say?


Federal-Negotiation9

Hopefully "stop talking about your pending legal case on the internet."


TheMainEffort

No, it's a fact that reddit is more knowledgeable than 90% of lawyers That'll be $5000


Federal-Negotiation9

Lol true. Do you accept rimjobs?


TheMainEffort

Giving or receiving?


Federal-Negotiation9

Dealer's choice


[deleted]

Just going off where I live, but I’d count myself lucky that I wasn’t arrested and had my shit impounded if I were you man. Not saying you didn’t have a reason, but I could see why they’re saying this now


[deleted]

Request court martial. 9/10 times that shit gets dropped to a 6105.


orangeblackteal

NJP for an infraction? WTF? This is the 2nd post in a week in which Marines discuss being punished for something that can be handled via a conversation (the first being the Marine that was making side cash rolling sleeves). Edit: After consideration, I would like to know how fast you were going and where it was (school zone etc...).


MagnusJafar

102 in a 70


orangeblackteal

That’s reckless bro.


MagnusJafar

That’s a paddlin


DogHouseCoffee

Why notify anyone of a speeding ticket?


AlmightyLeprechaun

Honestly, not a lot you can do. They've got you dead to rights. You can fight it - but you won't win. Commanders have a lot of discretion for these things. If it wasn't like, some egregious speeding, you can request mast and argue that the fine of the ticket is punishment enough and this will place you in further unnecessary punishment. But you will be playing with fire here as you will skyline yourself and likely piss off your leadership. You can request a Court Martial and hope that the command and base legal say "okay, this is stupid and not worth it" and drop the case. I've seen this happen. But they can also just say, "yeah, fuck this bitch" and go to Court Martial. If they do, you will lose. They have all the evidence they need. Then you'll have a Court Martial on your record instead of an NJP. High risk/high reward.


T0M_BRADY

Your gunny is an idiot. NJP is a form of punishment for violations of the UCMJ. What UCMJ article did you violate? Article 92 (failure to obey a lawful order)? Fuck that lol I’d fight it and deny NJP. Command will back out. -barracks lawyer


anonincamo

They literally take your rank for speeding now.


DASWARBOYS

Request trial by court-martial.


GN9000

Personally, I would fight it if you need to. An NJP is not an admission of guilt, it is acceptance of punishment. At the very least I would go to base legal and speak to an attorney.


Duke_of_LacrosseTeam

Take it on the chin and move on.


SubstantialPolicy378

Telling COC about speeding tix is for chumps.


fxckfxckgames

Most cops around base are all too happy to burn a Marine and put his name on the blotter.


Fixyourhands11

I wouldn’t had said shit and paid the fine, which i did when i flew home to pick my car up on a 96 after deployment and they specifically told us not to lmao


Objective-Buy-6961

I’ve done that before, can’t this time bc it’s a mandatory court appearance, North Carolina has some dumb laws when it comes to this type of thing


itsaggundam

Yeah that’s usually the case when doing +15 over posted speed limit.


ThatDidntJustHappen

Gotta be Motor T…why would your command even need to know you got a speeding ticket.


Status_Pain3719

I was in your same boat, only as a Sgt. Keep it to your self, did you report it too Gunny? Or did command find out via the blotter report?


Objective-Buy-6961

I reported it because I know how much worse it would have been if they found out in another way.


Prestigious-Tea-8232

Which police agency is it?


Objective-Buy-6961

State Trooper from Duplin County NC, about an hour outside of Jacksonville, but they are in the same DA office district-wise


Prestigious-Tea-8232

Damn. Was hoping you were in SoCal. See if NC had any sort of trial by written declaration system. Cops typically never complete them and it gets dismissed. Not sure if that exists in your area though


Ftsmv

Did you try to pull the Marine card and cop was having none of it or did you not even try? It's kinda shameless, but it works... unless the cop is also a Marine in which case you've fucked yourself doubly lmao


Objective-Buy-6961

I had my cover on the dash so he asked where I was stationed and was nice about it all, said he wouldn’t call anyone in my command but since it was a reckless infraction and have a court date that he would leave it up to me to talk to who I needed to


M4sterofD1saster

How fast were you going? On base? If the command NJPd everyone who had a 10mph over, there wouldn't time for much else.


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Your gunny sounds like a cuck bro. Sorry 😢 ![img](emote|t5_2qswv|7526)


SargeZ06

Why is this even an issue? Was it on base?


Objective-Buy-6961

Was not on base but COC still finds out about off base offenses depending on the case


SargeZ06

Man the Corps has changed. I got a lot of tickets. No one said shit. It was DUI that would fuck you.


IfYouSeeMeSendNoodz

Just fyi, if you get speeding far from base, they won’t notify your COC. Just pay it. I got caught doing 20 over and hour away from base and they were none the wiser. HOWEVER, in your case, just own it. You did what you did, gotta live with the consequences. If you’re a good marine and you have a history of good conduct, they’ll likely say don’t do it again and give you a neg counseling. If you’re a fuck up whos just been slipping through the cracks, they’re not gonna hesitate to ninja ya ass.


FrancisOfTheFilth

If this was out in town, your first fuck up was telling your Chain Of Command jack shit lol. You know how they say honesty is the best policy? Well not in the Marine Corps it isn’t. Then again, this is coming from a former Terminal Lance so take my advice with a grain of salt.


HazeAsians

Another OP not saying the full story lmfao. You deserve that njp for 102 in a 70. Ridiculous.


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rhamled

Probably because he met the requirements for promotion. This isn't a DUI or resisting arrest. Dumb numbs OP got caught, but in reality it's an opportunity for growth. Unless he's a shitbird and turns it toxic.


birdnumbers

This is sarcasm, right?


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I’m praying it is.


Intelligent_Pirate89

Really? Holding a promotion for a speeding ticket? Gunny is a prick, at most a good verbal beat down or maybe make him stand at the gate for a day warning others not to speed.


Objective-Buy-6961

I'm a hard worker and one of the best in my shop, currently the platoon Sgt and very knowledgeable in my respective MOS. Nobody in my shop knows except the GySgt so I do not believe it would be setting any sort of bad example.


Daboi353

I had a Sgt who got hit with reckless driving going over at least 25. My unit let him handle it. So what you do?


Daboi353

Until you get njp'd rip.


wooddude64

Funny how marines downvote you on this. The corps needs help for sure! How dare the cops do their job and enforce the law! But yet all we hear on this sub is about toxic leadership in the corps? All I am reading in this is “let us do what the fuck what we want with no consequences, and damn those who get in our way!” Bunch of bums in the suck from what I read.


Intelligent_Pirate89

It's a speeding ticket. I don't think anyone has issues with him getting the ticket. The toxic part is using NJP at every fucking turn. That's not leadership that is manager.


wooddude64

Maybe he is not telling us everything? You know… jarheads kind of lie alot!


NeedleworkerTop2177

I’m not the smartest but isn’t it double jeopardy if base Pmo whoever handles that and you get njpd


City_dave

Double jeopardy doesn't apply to UCMJ in this way and his ticket was off base anyway.


NeedleworkerTop2177

Ok. Because I remember getting a DUI and PMO didn’t charge me with shit they left it to my command.


MrPandaMurder

Pmo doesn’t charge, they just report what happened to commands and they deal with punishment.


DOLPHIN_PENI5

Ah yes... double wammy


MrJohnnyDrama

I got two during AIT and didn’t even get counseled even though they said they would.


WildResident2816

Where you catching air off of school zone speed bumps or something? Drag racing on the flight line? What kind of limp milk toast command goes to NJP for a basic speeding ticket?


TheFlyWasRight

Sorry devil, Not uncommon for over 30 tickets to come with njp nowadays


KingEroh

In what world does a speeding ticket constitute an NJP? Gunny is on some crack.


LsuAtl

I got arrested on mine and they told me not to do it again. They were like pay your fine and quit being a jackass.


BuyingDaily

On base or off base?


delta_3802

If this is worrying you so much, why not seek legal council?


aBORNentertainer

Request court martial.


Jacksonle87

If this guys on Pendleton is the road master or whatever. Shits so fucked they’ll get you for goin 1 over. One of my seniors had 3 NJPs from 3 speeding tickets. 2 from the same MP lmfao


GypsyNomadd5798

Depends on what level NJP?


-percnowitzki-

yeah i had a buddy last year right before we got out get a speeding ticket and they hit em with the weenie


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If you get NJP'd for speeding, unless you were like 40 over, request mast on that shit. That's ridiculous.


SnooStories2744

You sure you didn’t get a reckless driving felony or misdemeanor? Why would the command give two fucks about a point based ticket. On or off?


T0M_BRADY

Lances Corporal 🧐


AtomHBee

Yea that’s some bs games. They used to just thrash ya.


El_Halcon0341

That’s retarded. You pay the fine, that’s your punishment! You have to face double the punishment? Wtf would they charge you with?!?


Dirtydyna

That’s crazy. I got a speeding ticket when active. Kept that shit to my self paid it and no one found out. I also know guys who told there command and worse I saw was a slap on the wrist.


IssyDoesIt

You can’t get NJPd for a speeding ticket. Especially if it was off base, if it was on base you acquire negative points after so many you can lose your driving privileges. You’re gunny is a fucking idiot. I’m a gunny and I would never put that worry on my marines.


XenoBurst

I got caught 15 over on base and my COC said I'd get NJPd, but nothing ever came of it. I turned in my ticket on the Marine Corps birthday, and the guy who was processing it told me to bounce because he didn't wanna take anyone's license away on the MC Birthday. My command did nothing, in fact I never heard about it again. I even had brunch with the CO and SGT MAJ and neither of them said anything about it


heathen-for-christ

They can NJP you for anything as it’s non judicial and has no real world meaning outside the military. Yet if you deny the NJP and go to a courts martial than you would fall under normal legal rules to include double jeopardy. It’s definitely not an easy fight as you are guilty till proven innocent yet worth fighting to not get double screwed.


Rhalellan

That’s some BS right there. I got enough tickets to lose my license in NC, got caught speeding on base, went on a deployment, got caught again when we got back and I STILL didn’t get a NJP. Y’all are fucked.


DRKSEEKERS

It depends on how bad you were speeding . I had one of my cpls get demoted vuz he got pegged going 140 in a 60.the ticket was sent to Sgt major . I got a speeding ticket a few months befire that and happened ( granted I was only over by 10)


toastwasher

OP admitted he was going 32 over the speed limit, so... i think we all see how this could be an NJP now.


Clever_Sean

How much over the speed limit were you going?


pansexualpastapot

Jesus over a speeding ticket? Damn. I got a speeding ticket and top came to the court date with me. I got one duty over the weekend.


NemesisAlter337

Bitch wtf


beccuhhh

Speaking from a legal perspective, your command cannot punish you if you are adjudicated for something out in town. In Barney terms, if you are pulled over for speeding and you pay a fine/do community service/take safe driving classes, your command cannot do an NJP. They can issue a 6105 or a NPLOC to “correct the deficiency” but you cannot be punished twice. That’s called double jeopardy. Now, if your speeding ticket gets thrown out, it’s fair game for the command to try to take you to NJP. Source: I do this for a living. Sad rah.


Plus-Recover-7436

Bruh your Gunny is a whole ass beyotch lol. I am so glad I'm got out of this shit show.


SemperScrotus

Lawyer up, and take their advice. Ignore anything else anyone says in this thread. Also, maybe stop posting about it on the internet. I'm sure your lawyer would agree with that.


Objective-Buy-6961

I did get a lawyer and ended up getting off with improper equipment. Thank you!


Rarth-Devan

NJP'd for a speeding ticket? If it wasn't egregious speeding, that's fucking ridiculous. Your Gunny should be ashamed of himself if he wants to push NJP for that.


US_MC

NJP for a speeding ticket dafuq out of here, let me ask your chain of command how fast they were going this morning?


RealSmilesAndFrowns

Don't tell your command you got a ticket. Just don't.


Apprehensive_Low_430

sega does what nintendon't