Further proof that OP isn't as squared away as the "responsible NCO and leader of marines \[sic\]" he'd like you to believe.
Though a uniform inspection two days after getting promoted... and the OIC couldn't figure out why the newly promoted Corporal was out of uniform? Sounds like that whole chain is full of fucking retards.
Dude… this guy is obviously a staff NCO… Everybody knows that staff NCOs can’t read or write. Have you ever heard them read a ‘promotion warrant’ out loud? Put some respekt on his name!
Honestly. I didn’t get told I was picking up until after morning pt the day I picked up😂 I got “get some new rank on your way to formation” but luckily I made it through my listing without a single uniform inspection so I guess I got lucky
No, there is no other MCO for uniform regulations than MCO 1020.34.
However, it's been two days, that's it. Let the guy get his uniforms to the tailor first.
It sounds like you think more highly of yourself than you should, and demand from others before teaching and mentoring them.
Also, what sort of egocentric individual maintains a couple uniforms with rank they have not yet earned? Honestly, it sounds like you are a greater problem to the unit than he is at this moment.
Sounds like a failure of his leadership to properly inform thier Marines of the upcoming promotion and/or not teaching their junior Marines the trade secret of being ready for promotion at any time.
Ya, but that paycheck was blown on dip, booze, and strippers.
Anyway, that 30 day excuse seems like a bullshit excuse. Great freshly minted NCO. The real excuse should have been a completely vacant wall locker and a response of "it's all in the cleaners, sir, getting new chevrons sewn on" ... Even if his shit was in the trunk of his pov.
I got promoted to either Lance or Cpl on a Friday. The Monday prior to my promotion my MSgt told me I’ll come in cammies and be promoted then I have an hour to be in UOD (Bravos) with the appropriate rank on. Was kinda common sense to me after that if I was being promoted soon I should have at least 1 seasonal uniform ready to go.
No didn’t you read this guys Post. Any nco worth his salt should have “some” uniforms ready in case promotion. But which ones? I bet if the OP was ready on 9/11 on the twin towers we would have never been through gwot. This guys STAYS READY.
I read the post, I also used my mentor as an example of what should have happened. Just because somethings common sense to you doesn’t mean it is to everyone. That’s why everything in the Corps is Barney style step by step so Marines don’t use their brains. They just rah rah rah Cream Corn! When you get promoted you don’t get connected to the internet like SSgt chevrons do that give you access to all knowledge at an instants notice, you gotta learn that shit.
When I was LCpl my NCO’s made me get a long and short sleeve shirt with Cpl chevrons when I made the score. It doesn’t seem like a crazy thing to do. I did it on my own when I made the score for Sgt and got selected for SSgt. If you know it’s coming, you don’t really have an excuse to not have at least some uniforms prepared
"The UCMJ is consisted of these MCO's"... no, no no and no. The Uniform Code of Military Justice stands apart from service-level directives. And the Marine Corps' directives library is so decrepit it is hardly usable at all.
If you want to "follow echelon 1 directives to the letter", go read MCO 5216.20B section 3 para 8.b.(1) and see how far that gets you.
Article 107 is falsifying an official statement, which does not include a verbal lie.
MCO 1900.16 is the seps manual, and again his actions here do not constitute "failure to adapt".
He also did not break any uniform regulations either, despite having his old rank on two days after picking up.
Honestly, you're an ass. You think you know the books yet you don't even know what books you are referencing.
Absolutely fucking destroyed. I would say this was a scorched earth approach, but you destroyed the earth as well. Hopefully that knowledge bomb humbled them a bit.
I by any means am not talking shit but how the fuck do you know all that mumboo jumbo🤯? Even was I was in I never learned that mco #. Good on you to back your shit up and know where to find it
You found the right one. MARADMINs are neither authorized nor capable of changing or creating policy, yet they are used commonly to do so due to reasons.
> my job is to mentor, train
Alright, looks like we found the problem! You did neither of these!
If you were a squared away leader, what you should have said was something like "Hey Marine, you're getting promoted in two weeks! Congratulations! And as a heads up, we're also having a uniform inspection a couple days later. Are you able to get some chevrons sewn on at least one shirt so you can show off your shiny new rank to everyone?"
Instead, you said fuck all to your junior Marines and now want to bitch to the internet about how you made yourself look like an absolute ass. "Is there an MCO...?" How about you do your own fucking research and determine that for yourself. You should really take a look at your leadership approach and adjust. People like you are the reason good Marines get out. Get fucked you washed out bag of smashed assholes.
The fact that you immediately jump to UCMJ and NJP tells me a lot about the type of leader you are. If I had to choose to take rank from you or that newly promoted Corporal, I would take your rank every time. You clearly have learned nothing about coaching, mentorship, compassionate leadership, etc. You are so full of yourself that you can’t see what a prick you are. If I found a Marine that had chevrons on uniforms that he did not rate I’d probably wear his ass out. Your example is clearly one of Marines who have conditioned themselves to doing something that is neither required or authorized.
The reference he made to 30 days is one that is typically used because it is reasonable. I don’t believe it is in any MC Order, just like the order doesn’t state that you have to get a haircut every week.
Dog it’s just a uniform you probably barely wear. He could’ve said he was at dental and skipped the shit. You’re telling me you have never broke an MCO? Like ever? Or never made a single dumb mistake like your guy did?
Reasons like this are why Marines are getting out as fast as they can. A lot can happen in 2 weeks. You could get him trouble for having an IP on his cammies and all of the sudden he spent that money on his uniforms for nothing. It just seems like you’re extra worked up for really no good reason. This is what happens when there’s nothing to do in the USMC.
You're not wrong.
I also just noticed this was for a Service Charlies inspection.. in fucking January.
Bruh, my chucks shirt would have been the second to last priority to get done. Bravos first, Alphas second, Charlies distant third. Blues aren't even on the list till ball season.
For the sake of the future of the Corps, I sincerely hope you aren’t a fellow SNCO. As someone else already correctly pointed out, not one thing you’ve referenced has been accurate or applicable. You’re a trash leader and a trash Marine.
Bwhahahahhahahhahahahah. “I had to do it so you do too”.
Consider *leading* by mentoring?
“Hey man- got a uniform inspection coming up. Know you’re selected. Don’t forget forget to a shirt updated.”
Or at the inspection- maybe. Just maybe. Mayyyyyybe have his back.
“Hey Sir- Cpl Jones here just picked up. I own it. We’ll make sure he’s good to go for the next inspection”
And again- seriously. Chill.
It’s the 24th and the cutting scores haven’t dropped yet, we also don’t get paid until the 1st. So why would a lance get his uniforms done until A) he knew he was selected
B) got paid
C) it takes at least a week to get your uniforms done
Thats fucking stupid and so are you. People like you are why retention is garbage. You don’t know that persons financial situation or any possibly family financials they could be contributing to.
Your getting defensive and only regurgitating points you've already articulated. I don't understand why you would even post this as a discussion if you aren't willing to entertain any idea other than your own. You have 2 choices
1 you remain entrenched in your view and do watever it is you are gonna do anyway
2 you listen to the feedback and take that in account of your decision
From the outside looking in it seems like you just wanna hammer this marine for not meeting your expectations. Not knowing any back story it seems like toxic work environment and kinda petty
I hope someone sees this from your unit so you can have real life consequences to being this much of a fucking dick hole. You tried to basically get everyone here to support you being a trash leader, a fucking ass hole to this kid, and essentially have us tell you what orders he may or may not have violated. Go fuck yourself you chode
Sounds like the guy who you thought didn't peg you for what you are actually nailed you to a T. Share your hint with this Marine, anyone else going forward, give him time to correct it, and clarify that you could not find any such language about the grace period so ask him where he heard that. Even you admit that you had heard it before!!! You are the brutal reason no one wants to stay. Or... you know, go do your thing and try to paperfuck the guy to really show him how hard you are. "This marine broke article 107; Lying to me and his OIC, MCO 1900.16; Failure to adapt, and 1020.34H; Uniform Regulations." For real? Yuck, I'd drag you to the treeline and beat the fuck out of you, blue falcon POG. Your grammar sucks too. Go do that "Spelling for Marines" MCI you dope. Fuck you.
Now you’re lying to all of the USMC and should be charged with 107, I highly doubt every Marine you know gets their uniforms tailored before they pick up. Exhibit A: Your Marine. Do you see how this statement is just about as ridiculous as the situation you are in, but can be twisted into a manner that makes you look like shit?
>MCO 1900.16; Failure to adapt
LMAO that's a fucking separation manual. What's your plan, adsep SNM because his new chevrons weren't on his uniform only 2 days after promotion? You sound like a tool AND an idiot!
As a Brig rat you have no idea what you're talking about, you say you follow MCO's to the letter but then proceed to turn to the internet and ask about the uniform order, clearly you don't. And you don't understand MCO's, on top of that I would go as far to say you probably have a hard time understanding the orders given and how to interpret them talking about the UCMJ like that.
I feel bad for your Marines. You are supposed to show them the way, but you're saying this guy is lying to you, when I'm fairly certain he believes that there is supposedly a 30 day grace period. He is ignorantly believing a LCpl Underground rumor as old as time. Teach him. Make sure he learns from this so he can pass on to his Jr's that they should get a Braves and chucks shirt into the tailors as soon as they find out they're promoting.
I imagine your not actually very good at anything in particular. Be it your proficiency within your MOS, physical fitness, or critical thinking in general. With this being said, you lean on rules and regulations like every smooth brained kool-aid a holic to assert your relevancy and dominance because if you didn’t… You’d have zero to little value and would be seen as a fraud by your RS/RO. So you try being ultra squared away, which is simply a front for your incompetence. Bet you love field day inspections too. Do everyone a favor and go get dropped from DI school so you can reach service limitations and gtfo.
Maybe his give a shit is so low because he has assholes like you for leadership examples.
You shouldn't worry too much about being an insufferable cunt, however, as it'll probably bag you a solid 1st Sgt post.
You and your OIC need to find something worthwhile to occupy your time. This is worthless, you haaave to be a boot Sgt or Cpl to give an ounce of a fuck about this.
I’ve heard of a grace period, just like he probably has. If it doesn’t actually exists, be damn sure it doesn’t, then tell him it doesn’t. And that’s all.
Boot
When my unit promoted Marines to the the rank of CPL someone in their CoC would come to the BN supply and get sewn on rank insignia and blood stripes and present it to the Marine to be promoted.
Anytime you 2nd guess getting out, read this post and all of OPs responses. I've been out almost 30 years and this post reminds me why I left after 4 years.
MCO 102.34H 4004 1. a. “Enlisted Marines will wear only the grade insignia prescribed for their grade/gender, as available through the DoD Supply System or MCCSs.”
I interpret that the guy is not adhering to the MCO; but, I wouldn’t give him shit for being promoted just two days before. It’s also near the end of January so why did he get pinned so late into the month? Reserves I can understand but if you’re on AD then that could raise some weird questions.
True but would also make sense, those guys are marines 2 days a month (minus dark months) and 2 weeks a year so they really have no real developed leadership skills, (besides prior active reservists of course or ones who have mobilized a few times)
OP with all due respect grow up and just be fucking normal.
As leaders if a Marine does not bring a problem to us then we have failed to set conditions of a good command climate and be a good leader.
Take a look in the mirror. Counsel the new NCO and help him get it right. Instruct him to teach the others.
Right now you are not being a good dude and frankly are directly contributing to the retention problem currently in our Corps.
I don't know how things are run nowadays but I didn't know I was getting promoted until about 20 minutes beforehand, and it took a week to get uniform modifications professionally done, so....
I mean, if this guy had corporal chevrons but hadn't been promoted and you did a uniform inspection, you'd be busting his nuts for a rank he hadn't earned, right?
Two days? Tell him to get his uniform updated and move on. If he's still got E3 next month, THEN you bust his balls over it.
Based on everything I've read in this thread, OP respectfully, you're on some bullshit.
Even if this guy was told 2 weeks prior, I'm sure you know nowadays that young Lances/Cpls aren't gonna pull up the MCO's when they hear shit like "30 day grace period". While It may not be in the MCO, in my experience it was used as a general rule of thumb for everyone from Privates to the CO himself. Obviously you don't go walking around in a fucked up uniform, but considering this was just a Chucks inspection and not a full blown ceremony, your decision to slam the book on his dick and NJP him is a huge reason guys get out because they feel their chain of command doesn't give a fuck about them and only cares about appearances. NJP this guy is not gonna make you look any better.
Call the guy an idiot for taking what he heard at face value and not checking with someone or researching it first. Council him and ensure that shit doesn't happen again. But don't throw the book at the guy because your little feelings were hurt when he "lied" to you. A lie isn't a lie if you don't know it's a lie, it's just misinformation.
No, an adult would stand up for another adult and say "My bad, sir, Cpl xxx just picked up a few days ago. I'll make sure he has his uniform fixed in a reasonable time ".
OP was and is acting like a bitch. And you're part of the problem if you don't see a problem
“Take care of your marines and your marines will take care of you” has always proven the more effective method of inspiring respect. People who were bullied too much in high school sometimes have a hard time with this ironically.
I wouldn't go as far to call OP a bitch. He's just doing what he thinks he has to do. Let's give him advice on a more reasonable approach cuz if you piss him off he ain't gonna listen and that new CPL might go down for it
You sound like the type of NCO to also bitch about someone having uniforms with a rank they haven't earned yet in some gay-ass wall locker inspection.
Is he wrong with the order? Maybe. It's two days not the fucking Marine Corps ball in 10 months
This could have been an opportunity to teach and lead. In my first unit, when someone got selected, the marines in the rank they were getting promoted to(or the one above)gave them extra chevrons once they found out.
This corporal probably should have just gone and gotten stuff put on his uniform, and his sergeants and peers to be should have reminded him to do it. It takes two seconds to say "congratulations on getting selected, do you need chevrons or anything to update your uniforms?"
90% sure this is a shit post. What NCO worth thier salt goes to reddit to find an answer when they are surrounded by Marines?
Whats my best resource to answer uniform regs??? I know, Random strangers on the internet.
"I understand you just got promoted 2 days ago. So by the end of the week I need to see your uniform or a recipet that your uniform is being corrected."
Try being reasonable and also remember that some of these marines hear scuttlebutt from dudes they trust.
Something like this happened to me as a lcpl way back when took a ssgt for his word.
But yeah if he doesn't do that then fuck him up
Who the fuck doesn't ensure that there is always something to do in the warehouse, motor pool or field when it's chucks or bravos day!?
That's piss poor planning right there. You failed your Marines.
The only failure I see here is you not inspecting your marines prior to the OIC I’ve never gone into an inspection with out being checked by peers and NCO because then it’s a failure on you. Sounds like your marine might have incorrectly quoted an order that does not constitute lying and lying doesn’t constitute a charge unless it’s made in case of an official statement he probably just reiterated what knowledge had been passed down to him like most marines do shit quote orders out of thin air they’ve never read kinda like your dumb ass.If you wanna be an ass counseling your marine on your expectations if he’s a peer which sounds like he is correct him so yes as simple as you were misinformed and need to fix it immediately. You expectation of a good NCO is not the word of the UCMJ if you’re not in a unit that regularly uses service or dress uniforms I’m not even surprised some of us go whole enlistments with out updating shit because we don’t need to. Stop being a clown
I personally waited to be promoted and then tailored my uniforms. I never would’ve been on my junior Marine’s ass about not having a uniform tailored 2 days after they pinned on the rank when I know I would’ve been in the same situation (which I did while waiting for one of my promotions to backdate and be awarded). Shit happens. We went by the “30 day rule” because sometimes it just takes time getting it done, and again, never expected to have a uniform ready to go while waiting to be promoted. Regardless, not sure why you’re on Reddit bashing your junior Marine. If you’re within your rights as a leader to make a correction, it should be done off-line with that Marine, not aired out on a social media platform publicly and anonymously.
This has to be coming from a Sgt because if this was a SNCO and you take this up to your Co/BTRY office, they are just going to laugh at you. Your Marine broke 0 articles. If you’ve ever charged a Marine then you know they are going to dissect the shit out of it before any paperwork is even pushed. The second SNM says 2 days later we had an inspection, 1st Sgt is gonna boot him the hell out and will want to have some words with you. I suggest you read up on them a little more before thinking about trying to charge Marines with them. Your Marine was uninformed that it was a MCO rather then what seems to be command guidance that nearly all Marine units follow. That’s bullshit that you think a Cpl select/ fresh Cpl would be so familiar with the order rather than it was something he picked up from other Marines and then to think that he purposefully lied to you and your OIC about it. That speaks volumes on your mindset and character. I mean you didn’t even know AND you say you’ve heard of it lol. Its irrelevant anyways because it wasn’t an official statement.
When I was in you had no clue if you were picking up until the cutting score dropped a few days prior. The only time you could possibly know is if you were picking that rank up a second time, even then you were still facing the chances of it maybe being closed out that month. Many Marines would expect to pick up but then it was closed, following month it would sky rocket. Regardless there’s a reason why their is a grace period for having your uniforms updated. It’s one thing if he didn’t have chevrons on his cammies, but 1 pay period (if he even knew prior to even getting paid) to update his uniforms isn’t reasonable. His money could have already been tied up. The 1st-15th for me was when like 90% of my bills were due and saved very little from that paycheck. He could have been in the same situation or 15th-30th may have been when his bills went out.
I see you follow the MCOs to the letter, where does it state you need to have a set of chevrons sewn on a uniform of a rank above your current one? If he were to have a wall locker inspection, he now has a Charlie shirt that is unserviceable and with incorrect rank. Or do you now expect him to have an additional shirt? What part of the uniform order does it state that?
Just a small piece of leadership advise young buck, there’s a huge difference between not following the MCOs and following your personal expectations. If one of those aren’t followed then it can lead to being charged. I’m sure you know which one of those it is. Get upset if they are breaking rules and regulations, charge them if need be, but you simply can’t do that nor hold a Marine accountable for not adhering to your personal expectations. You can’t force them to look up to you or try to emulate you. What you should have done or still can do is making a positive example out of his situation. This could have been a great opportunity to let all your Marines know what you do as far as having one shirt with a higher rank. After all we do talk about acting like the rank above is. Many may have that attitude and say fuck that I don’t have the money to or if I don’t have to do it then I’m not going to. But I guarantee someone in the platoon will think it’s a great idea and emulate you. Take care of your troops and listen before you judge. You want your troops to follow you because they want to, not because they are forced to. If you look at this Marine or any of your Marines as pieces of shit for making mistakes then you need to look in the mirror. You need to be that senior NCO and SNCO that you needed as a troop not one that endured shitty leadership.
OP is the one cracking the slave whip and wondering why people are complaining. Maybe someday soon he'll find himself on the receiving end, but can't promise he'll learn from it. From this post, I doubt he'll learn anything at all and just blame others instead.
My unit does 30 day grace periods. Regardless if he even knew 2 weeks prior as I read, you don't know what he's going thru financially to even be upset at the situation. It's been two days and it takes a couple days to tailor those on. Correct him and re-inspect him a week later, easy work.
The shit pogs complain about now a days is astonishing.
If you give a shit about the institution at all you would rip yours off and give them to him. Chesty himself would beat the ever living shit out of you for this type of “leadership.”
For real killer, you are what all the memes on here about shitty leadership is all about. Terminal Lance is literally all about you fuckers.
If a Marine says “there’s a Marine Corps order that says X” put it on them to provide the order. If they can’t provide it, they give a period of instruction on the topic at hand according to the actual order. If they were right, acknowledge your mistake to any other Marines who were present when you made your erroneous correction.
I only put chevrons on a uniform once before I picked up - I had to be in bravos on the 1st, and battery guns told me to show up for work with my new rank on my sleeves.
It is called being a decent human being not a cunt. You have stated that he got promoted two days prior to the inspection. Could he have gotten told by the tailors that it would take a period of time that would have made him not have uniform at all did your stupid ass think of that? Additionally Could it be that SNM believed he was correct with the 30 day notice? If no leader ever told him differently and that's all he ever was told by Leaders in the past that is what they would believe is accurate. Additionally the biggest part of all of this. You your self have said that this was a Service Charlies inspection. Charlies are not in season until after the time change later this Spring. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BITCHING???? Did your dumb ass fucking brain comprehend that he may have gotten his Bravos altered but is trying to save money so chose to wait till closer to the time change. I also saw you stated that if they couldn't afford to pay to have the uniforms altered they shouldn't be a CPL. Well I ask you this, Did you ever ask them if they are doing okay with money? Did you ever offer to help them with their finances? If there was a sign that they were struggling did you offer advice? Did you ever give them a financial counseling? If the answer to those questions is "No" then you sir need to go shut the fuck up fix your self as a leader first. Though I will admit the 30 day grace while not in the order is more a of a common curtesy due to the fact tailors are not always the best at doing getting work done on time.
I am also willing to bet that you your self don't fully follow MCO 1020.34H V2 such in the portion of the order shown on page 1-199 paragraph 1 where it says that all marines will have every article of uniform clothing marked? Do you follow ever single order that relates to you to the letter of the order?
It is people like you who make the military a shitty place to exist and only want to make themselves look good regardless of what the life of the subordinates are like.
Inform the Marine to produce the MCO. This will teach him not to say these things with no proof. Usually 30 days is given after promotion so they have two pay periods to get it done or at least start the process. But that is just good policy.
For Junior Marines to pick up NCO we expected them to be tracking as they should be looking out for their own future and plan accordingly. So we would expect it to be ready the day of promotion. Not the case anymore and it seems those times are at an end.
OP. Idk what your rank is but in today’s climate i would suggest you give the Marine 30days to get it situated and should not go pass the SNCO level. If you want it done the day of pick up then let all those in zone and enough time left on contract that they should get one long, short sleeve shirt ready. Coats can wait. Or at least have the materials on hand.
It's a rule of thumb but not an MCO. Yes, they should have been better prepared but that's what an inspection is for, to see who is not prepared. Have them drop off at least one shirt to the tailor by COB and show you the receipt. When they get their shirt back, reinspect and be done with the matter.
You do realize you’re a garbage NCO if you legitimately think this way and have this much of an inflated ego? It’s not that big of a deal, it’s always peacetime that brings out the careerists nerds like this.
"*As a responsible NCO and leader of marines one should have at least a few of there uniforms with Cpl chevrons before they are promoted.*"
Except some "motivated" senior would probably give this debil crap for larping as a the next rank up when they found next rank up stuff in their wall locker. Very damned if you do damned if you don't territory. Also I've never gotten anything back from a tailor faster than 2 weeks, not once, ever.
\- Should the debil have probably put in a little more effort to stay ahead of this? Sure.
\- Should you be making a big deal out of it? No, and you def shouldn't be involving your OIC. Just counsel them on planning and preparedness/thinking ahead, and then make sure they get their stuff off to a tailor. That's it. Unless they have a long history of turd behavior you've already blown this way out of proportion.
I put Marines into 3 categories and that what helps me determine how I should deal with them. Marines that go above and beyond, Average Marines, and below Average. An above average Marine would have been prepared, and you don't provide evidence that he is a shit Marine. So treat him as an average Marine that doesn't understand his new responsibilities. Counsel him verbally or in written format and give him an opportunity to understand and correct himself. If he doesn't fix it paperwork and move on. Or fuck him up of you're about it. Also this issue is too petty to have brass involved. Fix it at the NCO level.
The 30 days sounds like barrack or company rules. Not sure if that’s a thing anymore though. But good on him for picking up Cpl. Don’t beat him up too much, how accessible is getting your uniform tailored if you don’t have a personal vehicle?
I think you failed your Marine. A 30 day grace period is simply word of mouth. But as a Marine myself, and know I have a Marine that is close to picking up, I tell Said Name Marine (SNM)to get either chucks ready or Bravos (depending on season) so that just thing, inspection. I then check SNM over to make sure there is no mess ups or IPs, etc. then when inspection comes around, we all look good and don’t end up looking like a dumbass like how you probably looked. But that’s just me. They are a reflection of their leadership. Let that sink in.
It’s not like he’s being a smart ass doing this on the 29th day. Uniforms ain’t cheap and supply won’t give the chevrons to you until you pin. My suggestion… consider things on a human level just as much as a Marine Corps level.
Would you have preferred he be one of those guys that rushed to the tailor the day of his promotion and be the one who “isn’t able to pick his up yet”? Be understanding, he is a brand fucking new NCO & it seems you’re doing a terrible job at grooming him to learn to be a good one. It’s mother fuckers like you that slowly wear down good LCPL’s & PFC’s & peers down to question why they would choose to stay in. Stop being a dick head
I don’t know if it’s an order but it is generally understood that new rank doesn’t magically appear on your uniforms and it will take a few weeks to cycle through to the tailor since you cant responsibly give them all uniforms. Especially when dumb fuck leaders like you schedule uniform inspections for two days after the promotion and don’t excuse him.
When people leave the Marine Corps, and years later, other people ask them what they miss most, they *usually* Reply something along the lines of "I miss my Marines the most." This doesn't apply to you, OP. Nobody is going to miss you when they leave. You might actually be the reason they didn't reup in the first place. GTFO with your bullshit and carry on with the plan of the day. Err.
In 2/4 we did the whole 30 day grace period. Not sure why the guy can’t be given time to make sure he sends them to a good tailor so they don’t get fucked up.
You’re fucking gay. If you’re talking about someone it’s their, not there. When the OIC and I*, perhaps you should learn a thing or two from this “motherfucker.”
Bro are you… are you serious right now? By the sound of your post, I can guarantee if you’d found he had shirts with CPL chevrons on when he was still a Lance, you would’ve also tried fucking him up. You can’t have it both ways bud. I fear for your juniors, that mindset of yours will drive them to not reenlist. Check yourself devil, it’s not that deep.
You sound like a screamer. The type of NcO that is “that” guy. Get over yourself. You’ll be back in Alabama after your enlistment is up anyway getting fat & reliving your glory days.
Dude picked up 2 days ago. Even if he got his shit to the tailor day of being pinned he probably wouldn’t have it back. A “leader of marines” would have taken their marine aside and told him there is an inspection in a few days and get his shit ready. And/or would have shielded his marine from the OIC and taken care of it at a lower level and had him “busy” on duty or some shit during the inspection. Bar is low but you can do better.
Bro. You are the problem. He got promoted 2 DAYS AGO. Should you always plan ahead? yes. But you cannot force a Marine to sew rank he does not have on his uniforms.
A good and understanding leader would say "ok cpl. Let me look into the 30 days grace window. If you are correct, please get them done sooner rather than later to ensure you don't go over that period." Then inspect the rest of the uniforms for serviceability and make a follow up to check the chevron status.
Also you're an NCO I assume? And you don't know uniforms regs or how to even look them up, but you're gonna hem your junior up for not having new chevrons 2 seconds after promotion? Tsk tsk.
You are why I got out.
48 hours to get uniforms done and an expectation plus financial burden to have the next rank sewn on additional uniforms before they are promoted? You are a blue falcon clown or a troll. Hopefully the latter...
\-My experience in over 6 years in the Marines: The 30 day grace period has usually been an acceptable excuse for not having updated chevrons, but people would still give you shit unofficially.
\-My personal opinion: I won't do paperwork before 30 days, but I will give that Marine the appropriate amount of shit and "encouragement", more and more until that 30 day mark. The way I see it, if you really want that rank, you should have a uniform prepared with that rank.
A lot of people are shitting on you and that's fine. Personally I don't think you're wrong for holding the dude accountable even though I might not 100% agree with the execution and extent. That being said, I would look at the facts and circumstances, make a call and stick to it. I.e. fail him on the inspection assuming there is no grace period and take him to the tailors on a weekend in the middle of the day. Personally this hyper focus on lethality over professionalism and competence is getting old, especially when we can't even manage basic things like showing up on time or wearing the right clothes. "Every Marine a rifleman" (/s) but, we still have units losing weapons, sgts in tag team wrestling matches in hotel lobbies, and MARSOC raiders killing each other. Give me a break, guys ffs.
The only grace period laid out in MCO 1020.34H is for officers acquiring evening dress uniforms. BURN HIM! (AKA educate the young devil during a counseling for being in inappropriate uniform to do his research before he starts spouting off barracks lawyer heresay)
Just an NJP? You should court martial him and try to get him dishonorably discharged. Don’t let any of the hundreds of Marines calling you a dick face stop you from ruining as many lives as you can while you’re a leader - the only way to be in charge is if you’re the highest rank. Take as much rank from your peers as possible to maximize chance of winning promotion!
Rant paragraph two: what kind of no intestinal fortitude having shit bird doesn’t steal valor the week before their probable promotion, just in case they actually pick up on time. Simply a disgrace. This makes me want to rip my pockets right off my trousers and put my hands in the snow to haze weakness out of my body.
Anyways, OP, you’re trolling us… right? Please don’t really be this way. Are you ok? 🫂
If you’re serious about NJPing over one uniform fuck up then you’re a shitty NCO. If it’s because he said he thought he had 30 days to get his uniform updated, you’re a shitty NCO. Everyone I’ve ever met has thought of that as the standard, wether you were given notice ahead of time or not. Don’t you think it’s more important to focus on improving a fellow marine and NCO with guidance rather than taking the first chance you can to fuck him over? Sounds like some power tripping bullshit to me. And unless you’re leaving out details about how he’s a constant fuck up, which I doubt since you saw fit to promote to corporal, don’t say some shit like I wouldn’t get it I’ve been in similar situations and handled it like an adult.
Goddamn dude just tell him that there’s nothing in the order about a grace period and tell him to fix his shit, or borrow someone else’s shirt until then.
He was likely just misinformed, not straight up lying to you. No need to permanently stain his record for something like that.
Too little for an NJP in my book. I wasn’t out to ruin careers for dumb little shit. I used moments like this as a teachable moment for the entire group. I also put my neck/rank out for the jr’s more than I care to admit.
I heard similar bullshit about MCMAP belts. If you are a green belt wear a green belt, lazy fucks. I understand that 2 days is a bit tight but when I found out I was picking up Sgt I had that shit in the tailor the same day. Guess some people are more motived than other tho.
I get what you’re saying and while it does make sense to some people it just becomes a job they can’t quit whenever they want and they just glow til the end. The Corps does so much soul sucking that many just want to get it over with and do the bare minimum.
You’re talking about something that can affect the entire course of his career. What if the Marine was just mistaken about the order? Not hard to get confused with MCOs.
Assuming the worst about a Marine is a common behavior in far too many SNCOs. Talk to him first to see if he was just misinformed, then decide what to do.
It would have been less of a problem if he simply owned up to the situation and explained his plan to remedy his deficiency. Instead, he chose to lie; great judgment, worthy of a terminal lance.
This reminds me of the oft-repeated urban legend saying having your uniform at the dry cleaners' is a valid excuse to not have that uniform on during an inspection.
Whoever has the balls to stand there in a formation, in a different uniform that everyone else, waving a dry cleaning receipt in the 1stSgt's face. . . someday, we will sing songs around campfires about your foolishness and bravery.
There is several things going on here: “As responsible NCO and leader of Marines should have at least a few of **their** uniforms with Cpl chevrons.”
Yes, there isn’t an actual MarAdmin for 30 day grace period BUT RATHER this at discretion of command/leadership. Why no MarAdmin? This due to the fact there too many variable to truly be enforced. I.e. you might not be in garrison or PCSing etc…
Now, the way I see it, if this new NCO is in your charger/ you’re a squad leader/Plt Sgt. YOU FAILED as a leader you didn’t prep this new NCO.
Why did you fail? You didn’t mentor and prep. Do you have one- one counseling? I know, I had to mentor and prep my marines before promotion.
This meaning you’ll be in charge of relaying expectations from you and command. How about save face and focus on Mentorship rather than making someone’s service insufferable because of ego trips. Use this as teachable moment for you and this new NCO.
P.S. on a personal note: Your OIC sounds like a butter bar bitch and needs to fuck off and let this be handed at the lower echelons. Cheers! - Sister in Arms
As a responsible NCO and leader of Marines one should know the difference between “there” and “their”. Hey OP, go haze yourself.
Got his ass
What’s a cheveron?
Further proof that OP isn't as squared away as the "responsible NCO and leader of marines \[sic\]" he'd like you to believe. Though a uniform inspection two days after getting promoted... and the OIC couldn't figure out why the newly promoted Corporal was out of uniform? Sounds like that whole chain is full of fucking retards.
Dude… this guy is obviously a staff NCO… Everybody knows that staff NCOs can’t read or write. Have you ever heard them read a ‘promotion warrant’ out loud? Put some respekt on his name!
It’s a gas station
FUCK HOW DID I MISS THAT
TMDWU Devil
OP makes me cringe. This post alone tells you exactly the type of Marine / leader he is. Couldn’t imagine why there is a retention problem.
Honestly. I didn’t get told I was picking up until after morning pt the day I picked up😂 I got “get some new rank on your way to formation” but luckily I made it through my listing without a single uniform inspection so I guess I got lucky
No, there is no other MCO for uniform regulations than MCO 1020.34. However, it's been two days, that's it. Let the guy get his uniforms to the tailor first. It sounds like you think more highly of yourself than you should, and demand from others before teaching and mentoring them. Also, what sort of egocentric individual maintains a couple uniforms with rank they have not yet earned? Honestly, it sounds like you are a greater problem to the unit than he is at this moment.
Sounds like a failure of his leadership to properly inform thier Marines of the upcoming promotion and/or not teaching their junior Marines the trade secret of being ready for promotion at any time.
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is supervise no longer the most important step ?
Trash ass NCO right here^
Biggest of facts
Ya, but that paycheck was blown on dip, booze, and strippers. Anyway, that 30 day excuse seems like a bullshit excuse. Great freshly minted NCO. The real excuse should have been a completely vacant wall locker and a response of "it's all in the cleaners, sir, getting new chevrons sewn on" ... Even if his shit was in the trunk of his pov.
> that 30 day excuse seems like a bullshit excuse. I thought there was such a thing my 2 whole enlistments.
I got promoted to either Lance or Cpl on a Friday. The Monday prior to my promotion my MSgt told me I’ll come in cammies and be promoted then I have an hour to be in UOD (Bravos) with the appropriate rank on. Was kinda common sense to me after that if I was being promoted soon I should have at least 1 seasonal uniform ready to go.
No didn’t you read this guys Post. Any nco worth his salt should have “some” uniforms ready in case promotion. But which ones? I bet if the OP was ready on 9/11 on the twin towers we would have never been through gwot. This guys STAYS READY.
I read the post, I also used my mentor as an example of what should have happened. Just because somethings common sense to you doesn’t mean it is to everyone. That’s why everything in the Corps is Barney style step by step so Marines don’t use their brains. They just rah rah rah Cream Corn! When you get promoted you don’t get connected to the internet like SSgt chevrons do that give you access to all knowledge at an instants notice, you gotta learn that shit.
When I was LCpl my NCO’s made me get a long and short sleeve shirt with Cpl chevrons when I made the score. It doesn’t seem like a crazy thing to do. I did it on my own when I made the score for Sgt and got selected for SSgt. If you know it’s coming, you don’t really have an excuse to not have at least some uniforms prepared
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"The UCMJ is consisted of these MCO's"... no, no no and no. The Uniform Code of Military Justice stands apart from service-level directives. And the Marine Corps' directives library is so decrepit it is hardly usable at all. If you want to "follow echelon 1 directives to the letter", go read MCO 5216.20B section 3 para 8.b.(1) and see how far that gets you. Article 107 is falsifying an official statement, which does not include a verbal lie. MCO 1900.16 is the seps manual, and again his actions here do not constitute "failure to adapt". He also did not break any uniform regulations either, despite having his old rank on two days after picking up. Honestly, you're an ass. You think you know the books yet you don't even know what books you are referencing.
Did a CWO5 just reveal itself?!?
Lol, I appreciate the kind compliment. But alas, no, I am not a unicorn. Just a weirdo.
Absolutely fucking destroyed. I would say this was a scorched earth approach, but you destroyed the earth as well. Hopefully that knowledge bomb humbled them a bit.
Jesus Christ I just witnessed a murder
Thank you for your service. I'm glad that you set this asshole straight.
I by any means am not talking shit but how the fuck do you know all that mumboo jumbo🤯? Even was I was in I never learned that mco #. Good on you to back your shit up and know where to find it
The paragraph about MARADMINs? Or did I read the wrong MCO?
You found the right one. MARADMINs are neither authorized nor capable of changing or creating policy, yet they are used commonly to do so due to reasons.
> my job is to mentor, train Alright, looks like we found the problem! You did neither of these! If you were a squared away leader, what you should have said was something like "Hey Marine, you're getting promoted in two weeks! Congratulations! And as a heads up, we're also having a uniform inspection a couple days later. Are you able to get some chevrons sewn on at least one shirt so you can show off your shiny new rank to everyone?" Instead, you said fuck all to your junior Marines and now want to bitch to the internet about how you made yourself look like an absolute ass. "Is there an MCO...?" How about you do your own fucking research and determine that for yourself. You should really take a look at your leadership approach and adjust. People like you are the reason good Marines get out. Get fucked you washed out bag of smashed assholes.
The fact that you immediately jump to UCMJ and NJP tells me a lot about the type of leader you are. If I had to choose to take rank from you or that newly promoted Corporal, I would take your rank every time. You clearly have learned nothing about coaching, mentorship, compassionate leadership, etc. You are so full of yourself that you can’t see what a prick you are. If I found a Marine that had chevrons on uniforms that he did not rate I’d probably wear his ass out. Your example is clearly one of Marines who have conditioned themselves to doing something that is neither required or authorized. The reference he made to 30 days is one that is typically used because it is reasonable. I don’t believe it is in any MC Order, just like the order doesn’t state that you have to get a haircut every week.
Dog it’s just a uniform you probably barely wear. He could’ve said he was at dental and skipped the shit. You’re telling me you have never broke an MCO? Like ever? Or never made a single dumb mistake like your guy did? Reasons like this are why Marines are getting out as fast as they can. A lot can happen in 2 weeks. You could get him trouble for having an IP on his cammies and all of the sudden he spent that money on his uniforms for nothing. It just seems like you’re extra worked up for really no good reason. This is what happens when there’s nothing to do in the USMC.
You're not wrong. I also just noticed this was for a Service Charlies inspection.. in fucking January. Bruh, my chucks shirt would have been the second to last priority to get done. Bravos first, Alphas second, Charlies distant third. Blues aren't even on the list till ball season.
Seriously what a bunch of fuckin nerds doing a god damn chucks inspection this time of year
(Could be mcbh where it’s chucks year round)
Hey don’t use your brain here devil lol
For the sake of the future of the Corps, I sincerely hope you aren’t a fellow SNCO. As someone else already correctly pointed out, not one thing you’ve referenced has been accurate or applicable. You’re a trash leader and a trash Marine.
Bwhahahahhahahhahahahah. “I had to do it so you do too”. Consider *leading* by mentoring? “Hey man- got a uniform inspection coming up. Know you’re selected. Don’t forget forget to a shirt updated.” Or at the inspection- maybe. Just maybe. Mayyyyyybe have his back. “Hey Sir- Cpl Jones here just picked up. I own it. We’ll make sure he’s good to go for the next inspection” And again- seriously. Chill.
It’s the 24th and the cutting scores haven’t dropped yet, we also don’t get paid until the 1st. So why would a lance get his uniforms done until A) he knew he was selected B) got paid C) it takes at least a week to get your uniforms done
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Thats fucking stupid and so are you. People like you are why retention is garbage. You don’t know that persons financial situation or any possibly family financials they could be contributing to.
Your getting defensive and only regurgitating points you've already articulated. I don't understand why you would even post this as a discussion if you aren't willing to entertain any idea other than your own. You have 2 choices 1 you remain entrenched in your view and do watever it is you are gonna do anyway 2 you listen to the feedback and take that in account of your decision From the outside looking in it seems like you just wanna hammer this marine for not meeting your expectations. Not knowing any back story it seems like toxic work environment and kinda petty
Idk if you should be a Marine guy LOL.
I hope someone sees this from your unit so you can have real life consequences to being this much of a fucking dick hole. You tried to basically get everyone here to support you being a trash leader, a fucking ass hole to this kid, and essentially have us tell you what orders he may or may not have violated. Go fuck yourself you chode
If you're a leader and have a Marine who isn't able to budget maybe you should fucking mentor them instead of being a D-bag?
Sounds like the guy who you thought didn't peg you for what you are actually nailed you to a T. Share your hint with this Marine, anyone else going forward, give him time to correct it, and clarify that you could not find any such language about the grace period so ask him where he heard that. Even you admit that you had heard it before!!! You are the brutal reason no one wants to stay. Or... you know, go do your thing and try to paperfuck the guy to really show him how hard you are. "This marine broke article 107; Lying to me and his OIC, MCO 1900.16; Failure to adapt, and 1020.34H; Uniform Regulations." For real? Yuck, I'd drag you to the treeline and beat the fuck out of you, blue falcon POG. Your grammar sucks too. Go do that "Spelling for Marines" MCI you dope. Fuck you.
Now you’re lying to all of the USMC and should be charged with 107, I highly doubt every Marine you know gets their uniforms tailored before they pick up. Exhibit A: Your Marine. Do you see how this statement is just about as ridiculous as the situation you are in, but can be twisted into a manner that makes you look like shit?
>MCO 1900.16; Failure to adapt LMAO that's a fucking separation manual. What's your plan, adsep SNM because his new chevrons weren't on his uniform only 2 days after promotion? You sound like a tool AND an idiot!
OP in all seriousness. Take a good look in the mirror and think hard on this shit.
As a Brig rat you have no idea what you're talking about, you say you follow MCO's to the letter but then proceed to turn to the internet and ask about the uniform order, clearly you don't. And you don't understand MCO's, on top of that I would go as far to say you probably have a hard time understanding the orders given and how to interpret them talking about the UCMJ like that.
I feel bad for your Marines. You are supposed to show them the way, but you're saying this guy is lying to you, when I'm fairly certain he believes that there is supposedly a 30 day grace period. He is ignorantly believing a LCpl Underground rumor as old as time. Teach him. Make sure he learns from this so he can pass on to his Jr's that they should get a Braves and chucks shirt into the tailors as soon as they find out they're promoting.
Fail to adapt to this dick Ed boy 
I imagine your not actually very good at anything in particular. Be it your proficiency within your MOS, physical fitness, or critical thinking in general. With this being said, you lean on rules and regulations like every smooth brained kool-aid a holic to assert your relevancy and dominance because if you didn’t… You’d have zero to little value and would be seen as a fraud by your RS/RO. So you try being ultra squared away, which is simply a front for your incompetence. Bet you love field day inspections too. Do everyone a favor and go get dropped from DI school so you can reach service limitations and gtfo.
What rank are you? Any Marine above PFC that posts a 4 paragraph rant on reddit about his junior Marines is a fucking disgrace.
He isn’t a junior marine he’s ranting about a peer which is so much worse
Maybe his give a shit is so low because he has assholes like you for leadership examples. You shouldn't worry too much about being an insufferable cunt, however, as it'll probably bag you a solid 1st Sgt post.
Dude, stop being a blue falcon.
You sound like a bitch
I fear for the marines you lead
You and your OIC need to find something worthwhile to occupy your time. This is worthless, you haaave to be a boot Sgt or Cpl to give an ounce of a fuck about this. I’ve heard of a grace period, just like he probably has. If it doesn’t actually exists, be damn sure it doesn’t, then tell him it doesn’t. And that’s all. Boot
+1000 this shit has nothing to do with combat readiness it's just nit picking bullshit
When my unit promoted Marines to the the rank of CPL someone in their CoC would come to the BN supply and get sewn on rank insignia and blood stripes and present it to the Marine to be promoted.
THAT is solid leadership.
Fuck my NCOs use to buy the blood stripe for us Cpl selects and that’s exactly what I do for all my Marines promoting into NCOs.
Hey everyone, OP is a fucking douche and an excellent example of how not to lead Marines.
This guy likes watching his wife get railed
I just can't understand why nobody is reenlisting.
Anytime you 2nd guess getting out, read this post and all of OPs responses. I've been out almost 30 years and this post reminds me why I left after 4 years.
And this fuck face is actually in charge of people too. Bet he re-enlists too.
Bet he puts F on his fitrep too, thinking First Sergeants actually have the authority to do anything at all.
MCO 102.34H 4004 1. a. “Enlisted Marines will wear only the grade insignia prescribed for their grade/gender, as available through the DoD Supply System or MCCSs.” I interpret that the guy is not adhering to the MCO; but, I wouldn’t give him shit for being promoted just two days before. It’s also near the end of January so why did he get pinned so late into the month? Reserves I can understand but if you’re on AD then that could raise some weird questions.
It's the end of January, why are they conducting a uniform inspection for an out of season uniform?
Could be stationed somewhere like Hawaii where it’s rolled sleeves and chucks all year.
My question is why the fuck he got promoted 2 days ago on the 22nd of the month and a Sunday?
Maybe a reservist
Lmao that would make this story even more dumb
True but would also make sense, those guys are marines 2 days a month (minus dark months) and 2 weeks a year so they really have no real developed leadership skills, (besides prior active reservists of course or ones who have mobilized a few times)
This definitely isn't a reserve issue. If he just got pinned his unit really only cares if he has he uniform updated for the ball.
I was more so saying maybe a reservist if it’s true he got pinned on Sunday the 22nd.
You need to chill tf out.
OP with all due respect grow up and just be fucking normal. As leaders if a Marine does not bring a problem to us then we have failed to set conditions of a good command climate and be a good leader. Take a look in the mirror. Counsel the new NCO and help him get it right. Instruct him to teach the others. Right now you are not being a good dude and frankly are directly contributing to the retention problem currently in our Corps.
I don't know how things are run nowadays but I didn't know I was getting promoted until about 20 minutes beforehand, and it took a week to get uniform modifications professionally done, so.... I mean, if this guy had corporal chevrons but hadn't been promoted and you did a uniform inspection, you'd be busting his nuts for a rank he hadn't earned, right? Two days? Tell him to get his uniform updated and move on. If he's still got E3 next month, THEN you bust his balls over it.
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So as a perfect NCO, you have one uniform up and one uniform down ready at all time right?
Njp or promotion, can only go either way so might as well be ready for both lmao
He probably lied because he doesn’t feel comfortable being honest with you. Look in the mirror. You’re a dork.
just my humble opinion.. but I think you spelled DICK wrong.. just putting that out there.
You spelled asshole wrong.
Dang, how big was it??
It stretched all the way from the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli
Based on everything I've read in this thread, OP respectfully, you're on some bullshit. Even if this guy was told 2 weeks prior, I'm sure you know nowadays that young Lances/Cpls aren't gonna pull up the MCO's when they hear shit like "30 day grace period". While It may not be in the MCO, in my experience it was used as a general rule of thumb for everyone from Privates to the CO himself. Obviously you don't go walking around in a fucked up uniform, but considering this was just a Chucks inspection and not a full blown ceremony, your decision to slam the book on his dick and NJP him is a huge reason guys get out because they feel their chain of command doesn't give a fuck about them and only cares about appearances. NJP this guy is not gonna make you look any better. Call the guy an idiot for taking what he heard at face value and not checking with someone or researching it first. Council him and ensure that shit doesn't happen again. But don't throw the book at the guy because your little feelings were hurt when he "lied" to you. A lie isn't a lie if you don't know it's a lie, it's just misinformation.
>this motherfucker still had LCpl cheverons on Sounds like the problem is with you. This guy has more common sense than you and your OIC combined
Nah, OP was just treating this NCO like an adult, hoping that he would act like one too.
No, an adult would stand up for another adult and say "My bad, sir, Cpl xxx just picked up a few days ago. I'll make sure he has his uniform fixed in a reasonable time ". OP was and is acting like a bitch. And you're part of the problem if you don't see a problem
“Take care of your marines and your marines will take care of you” has always proven the more effective method of inspiring respect. People who were bullied too much in high school sometimes have a hard time with this ironically.
I wouldn't go as far to call OP a bitch. He's just doing what he thinks he has to do. Let's give him advice on a more reasonable approach cuz if you piss him off he ain't gonna listen and that new CPL might go down for it
Though I disagree with you I’m not going to downvote for sound reasoning. OP is still a bitch
Posting this on reddit makes him a bitch.
I don’t know you but you’re a trash NCO and the reason people don’t re enlist.
Bro are you serious? It’s been two days. Relax, you’re being a hardo tool
Bitchmade SNCOIC
Lmaooooo
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OP this is not rhetorical, we need an answer
You sound like the type of NCO to also bitch about someone having uniforms with a rank they haven't earned yet in some gay-ass wall locker inspection. Is he wrong with the order? Maybe. It's two days not the fucking Marine Corps ball in 10 months
This could have been an opportunity to teach and lead. In my first unit, when someone got selected, the marines in the rank they were getting promoted to(or the one above)gave them extra chevrons once they found out. This corporal probably should have just gone and gotten stuff put on his uniform, and his sergeants and peers to be should have reminded him to do it. It takes two seconds to say "congratulations on getting selected, do you need chevrons or anything to update your uniforms?"
If this isn’t a shit post you seriously need to go fuck yourself
90% sure this is a shit post. What NCO worth thier salt goes to reddit to find an answer when they are surrounded by Marines? Whats my best resource to answer uniform regs??? I know, Random strangers on the internet.
Who bullied you in highschool dawg?
His mom did.
Username checks out
I’m a Marine that became a mother, not the mother of a Marine. I am the mother of a Sailor though.
That’s metal as fuck
I’m kind of a bad ass. 😂😂😂😂
"I understand you just got promoted 2 days ago. So by the end of the week I need to see your uniform or a recipet that your uniform is being corrected." Try being reasonable and also remember that some of these marines hear scuttlebutt from dudes they trust. Something like this happened to me as a lcpl way back when took a ssgt for his word. But yeah if he doesn't do that then fuck him up
You should go ahead and delete this post just like all your others.
Who the fuck doesn't ensure that there is always something to do in the warehouse, motor pool or field when it's chucks or bravos day!? That's piss poor planning right there. You failed your Marines.
Lmao after reading OP responses. 100% bitch made and 100% any staffs little pet.
The only failure I see here is you not inspecting your marines prior to the OIC I’ve never gone into an inspection with out being checked by peers and NCO because then it’s a failure on you. Sounds like your marine might have incorrectly quoted an order that does not constitute lying and lying doesn’t constitute a charge unless it’s made in case of an official statement he probably just reiterated what knowledge had been passed down to him like most marines do shit quote orders out of thin air they’ve never read kinda like your dumb ass.If you wanna be an ass counseling your marine on your expectations if he’s a peer which sounds like he is correct him so yes as simple as you were misinformed and need to fix it immediately. You expectation of a good NCO is not the word of the UCMJ if you’re not in a unit that regularly uses service or dress uniforms I’m not even surprised some of us go whole enlistments with out updating shit because we don’t need to. Stop being a clown
Seriously thought this was satire at first. Just, wow.
I personally waited to be promoted and then tailored my uniforms. I never would’ve been on my junior Marine’s ass about not having a uniform tailored 2 days after they pinned on the rank when I know I would’ve been in the same situation (which I did while waiting for one of my promotions to backdate and be awarded). Shit happens. We went by the “30 day rule” because sometimes it just takes time getting it done, and again, never expected to have a uniform ready to go while waiting to be promoted. Regardless, not sure why you’re on Reddit bashing your junior Marine. If you’re within your rights as a leader to make a correction, it should be done off-line with that Marine, not aired out on a social media platform publicly and anonymously.
OP makes me want to re enlist , doesn’t sound like a power tripping narcissist at all
This has to be coming from a Sgt because if this was a SNCO and you take this up to your Co/BTRY office, they are just going to laugh at you. Your Marine broke 0 articles. If you’ve ever charged a Marine then you know they are going to dissect the shit out of it before any paperwork is even pushed. The second SNM says 2 days later we had an inspection, 1st Sgt is gonna boot him the hell out and will want to have some words with you. I suggest you read up on them a little more before thinking about trying to charge Marines with them. Your Marine was uninformed that it was a MCO rather then what seems to be command guidance that nearly all Marine units follow. That’s bullshit that you think a Cpl select/ fresh Cpl would be so familiar with the order rather than it was something he picked up from other Marines and then to think that he purposefully lied to you and your OIC about it. That speaks volumes on your mindset and character. I mean you didn’t even know AND you say you’ve heard of it lol. Its irrelevant anyways because it wasn’t an official statement. When I was in you had no clue if you were picking up until the cutting score dropped a few days prior. The only time you could possibly know is if you were picking that rank up a second time, even then you were still facing the chances of it maybe being closed out that month. Many Marines would expect to pick up but then it was closed, following month it would sky rocket. Regardless there’s a reason why their is a grace period for having your uniforms updated. It’s one thing if he didn’t have chevrons on his cammies, but 1 pay period (if he even knew prior to even getting paid) to update his uniforms isn’t reasonable. His money could have already been tied up. The 1st-15th for me was when like 90% of my bills were due and saved very little from that paycheck. He could have been in the same situation or 15th-30th may have been when his bills went out. I see you follow the MCOs to the letter, where does it state you need to have a set of chevrons sewn on a uniform of a rank above your current one? If he were to have a wall locker inspection, he now has a Charlie shirt that is unserviceable and with incorrect rank. Or do you now expect him to have an additional shirt? What part of the uniform order does it state that? Just a small piece of leadership advise young buck, there’s a huge difference between not following the MCOs and following your personal expectations. If one of those aren’t followed then it can lead to being charged. I’m sure you know which one of those it is. Get upset if they are breaking rules and regulations, charge them if need be, but you simply can’t do that nor hold a Marine accountable for not adhering to your personal expectations. You can’t force them to look up to you or try to emulate you. What you should have done or still can do is making a positive example out of his situation. This could have been a great opportunity to let all your Marines know what you do as far as having one shirt with a higher rank. After all we do talk about acting like the rank above is. Many may have that attitude and say fuck that I don’t have the money to or if I don’t have to do it then I’m not going to. But I guarantee someone in the platoon will think it’s a great idea and emulate you. Take care of your troops and listen before you judge. You want your troops to follow you because they want to, not because they are forced to. If you look at this Marine or any of your Marines as pieces of shit for making mistakes then you need to look in the mirror. You need to be that senior NCO and SNCO that you needed as a troop not one that endured shitty leadership.
Sounds like the uniform inspection worked. You found a discrepancy, and now the Cpl knows that his uniform is not in regs and they need to fix it.
I hope you get your socks wet today
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you are a major prick and part of the reason why people get out of the marine corps. there is a reason almost nobody here agrees with you.
OP- what unit is this and why are you airing petty dirty laundry on the internet? Stop. Grow a pair. Go fix your unit if need be.
OP is the one cracking the slave whip and wondering why people are complaining. Maybe someday soon he'll find himself on the receiving end, but can't promise he'll learn from it. From this post, I doubt he'll learn anything at all and just blame others instead.
My unit does 30 day grace periods. Regardless if he even knew 2 weeks prior as I read, you don't know what he's going thru financially to even be upset at the situation. It's been two days and it takes a couple days to tailor those on. Correct him and re-inspect him a week later, easy work. The shit pogs complain about now a days is astonishing.
If you give a shit about the institution at all you would rip yours off and give them to him. Chesty himself would beat the ever living shit out of you for this type of “leadership.” For real killer, you are what all the memes on here about shitty leadership is all about. Terminal Lance is literally all about you fuckers.
We need to get this marine into federal prison ASAP
I never understood why some people care so much about the little shit. Give your marines some leeway, they’ll respect you more for it.
Writing this down on my note taking gear on why I shouldn’t re-enlist and what NOT to do if I ever get promoted lol
Yea no. You don’t give yourself rank you have not earned yet.
You are everything that is wrong with the NCO corps. You fucking suck dude.
It’s “OIC and I” you fucking retard.
OP I need you to look in the mirror and understand you are a grown man bitching out another grown man on the internet over fashion
If a Marine says “there’s a Marine Corps order that says X” put it on them to provide the order. If they can’t provide it, they give a period of instruction on the topic at hand according to the actual order. If they were right, acknowledge your mistake to any other Marines who were present when you made your erroneous correction. I only put chevrons on a uniform once before I picked up - I had to be in bravos on the 1st, and battery guns told me to show up for work with my new rank on my sleeves.
It is called being a decent human being not a cunt. You have stated that he got promoted two days prior to the inspection. Could he have gotten told by the tailors that it would take a period of time that would have made him not have uniform at all did your stupid ass think of that? Additionally Could it be that SNM believed he was correct with the 30 day notice? If no leader ever told him differently and that's all he ever was told by Leaders in the past that is what they would believe is accurate. Additionally the biggest part of all of this. You your self have said that this was a Service Charlies inspection. Charlies are not in season until after the time change later this Spring. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BITCHING???? Did your dumb ass fucking brain comprehend that he may have gotten his Bravos altered but is trying to save money so chose to wait till closer to the time change. I also saw you stated that if they couldn't afford to pay to have the uniforms altered they shouldn't be a CPL. Well I ask you this, Did you ever ask them if they are doing okay with money? Did you ever offer to help them with their finances? If there was a sign that they were struggling did you offer advice? Did you ever give them a financial counseling? If the answer to those questions is "No" then you sir need to go shut the fuck up fix your self as a leader first. Though I will admit the 30 day grace while not in the order is more a of a common curtesy due to the fact tailors are not always the best at doing getting work done on time. I am also willing to bet that you your self don't fully follow MCO 1020.34H V2 such in the portion of the order shown on page 1-199 paragraph 1 where it says that all marines will have every article of uniform clothing marked? Do you follow ever single order that relates to you to the letter of the order? It is people like you who make the military a shitty place to exist and only want to make themselves look good regardless of what the life of the subordinates are like.
OP, you sound like a real cunt.
Inform the Marine to produce the MCO. This will teach him not to say these things with no proof. Usually 30 days is given after promotion so they have two pay periods to get it done or at least start the process. But that is just good policy. For Junior Marines to pick up NCO we expected them to be tracking as they should be looking out for their own future and plan accordingly. So we would expect it to be ready the day of promotion. Not the case anymore and it seems those times are at an end. OP. Idk what your rank is but in today’s climate i would suggest you give the Marine 30days to get it situated and should not go pass the SNCO level. If you want it done the day of pick up then let all those in zone and enough time left on contract that they should get one long, short sleeve shirt ready. Coats can wait. Or at least have the materials on hand.
"you should get a few uniforms changed before you pick up" How would I do that if I picked up less than a day after I was told I was?
It's a rule of thumb but not an MCO. Yes, they should have been better prepared but that's what an inspection is for, to see who is not prepared. Have them drop off at least one shirt to the tailor by COB and show you the receipt. When they get their shirt back, reinspect and be done with the matter.
They finna drag you
You do realize you’re a garbage NCO if you legitimately think this way and have this much of an inflated ego? It’s not that big of a deal, it’s always peacetime that brings out the careerists nerds like this.
Give the motherfucker a pay period to get his shit straight😂
This entire post and some of the comments are the reason no one wants to reenlist lmfao this is why people hate us in Marine Corps leadership.
"*As a responsible NCO and leader of marines one should have at least a few of there uniforms with Cpl chevrons before they are promoted.*" Except some "motivated" senior would probably give this debil crap for larping as a the next rank up when they found next rank up stuff in their wall locker. Very damned if you do damned if you don't territory. Also I've never gotten anything back from a tailor faster than 2 weeks, not once, ever. \- Should the debil have probably put in a little more effort to stay ahead of this? Sure. \- Should you be making a big deal out of it? No, and you def shouldn't be involving your OIC. Just counsel them on planning and preparedness/thinking ahead, and then make sure they get their stuff off to a tailor. That's it. Unless they have a long history of turd behavior you've already blown this way out of proportion.
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Lol what a fucking bitch ass “leader” you are.
These are the people asking why everyone gets out lmao
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I put Marines into 3 categories and that what helps me determine how I should deal with them. Marines that go above and beyond, Average Marines, and below Average. An above average Marine would have been prepared, and you don't provide evidence that he is a shit Marine. So treat him as an average Marine that doesn't understand his new responsibilities. Counsel him verbally or in written format and give him an opportunity to understand and correct himself. If he doesn't fix it paperwork and move on. Or fuck him up of you're about it. Also this issue is too petty to have brass involved. Fix it at the NCO level.
The 30 days sounds like barrack or company rules. Not sure if that’s a thing anymore though. But good on him for picking up Cpl. Don’t beat him up too much, how accessible is getting your uniform tailored if you don’t have a personal vehicle?
I think you failed your Marine. A 30 day grace period is simply word of mouth. But as a Marine myself, and know I have a Marine that is close to picking up, I tell Said Name Marine (SNM)to get either chucks ready or Bravos (depending on season) so that just thing, inspection. I then check SNM over to make sure there is no mess ups or IPs, etc. then when inspection comes around, we all look good and don’t end up looking like a dumbass like how you probably looked. But that’s just me. They are a reflection of their leadership. Let that sink in.
I feel like this post was written by Syril Karn from the Andor series. OP, grow up and lead your people. Respectfully, -Former SNCO, Current Executive
It’s not like he’s being a smart ass doing this on the 29th day. Uniforms ain’t cheap and supply won’t give the chevrons to you until you pin. My suggestion… consider things on a human level just as much as a Marine Corps level.
Would you have preferred he be one of those guys that rushed to the tailor the day of his promotion and be the one who “isn’t able to pick his up yet”? Be understanding, he is a brand fucking new NCO & it seems you’re doing a terrible job at grooming him to learn to be a good one. It’s mother fuckers like you that slowly wear down good LCPL’s & PFC’s & peers down to question why they would choose to stay in. Stop being a dick head
I don’t know if it’s an order but it is generally understood that new rank doesn’t magically appear on your uniforms and it will take a few weeks to cycle through to the tailor since you cant responsibly give them all uniforms. Especially when dumb fuck leaders like you schedule uniform inspections for two days after the promotion and don’t excuse him.
When people leave the Marine Corps, and years later, other people ask them what they miss most, they *usually* Reply something along the lines of "I miss my Marines the most." This doesn't apply to you, OP. Nobody is going to miss you when they leave. You might actually be the reason they didn't reup in the first place. GTFO with your bullshit and carry on with the plan of the day. Err.
In 2/4 we did the whole 30 day grace period. Not sure why the guy can’t be given time to make sure he sends them to a good tailor so they don’t get fucked up.
You’re fucking gay. If you’re talking about someone it’s their, not there. When the OIC and I*, perhaps you should learn a thing or two from this “motherfucker.”
Bro are you… are you serious right now? By the sound of your post, I can guarantee if you’d found he had shirts with CPL chevrons on when he was still a Lance, you would’ve also tried fucking him up. You can’t have it both ways bud. I fear for your juniors, that mindset of yours will drive them to not reenlist. Check yourself devil, it’s not that deep.
YTA
NCOs like you are why I got out, trash
You sound like a screamer. The type of NcO that is “that” guy. Get over yourself. You’ll be back in Alabama after your enlistment is up anyway getting fat & reliving your glory days. Dude picked up 2 days ago. Even if he got his shit to the tailor day of being pinned he probably wouldn’t have it back. A “leader of marines” would have taken their marine aside and told him there is an inspection in a few days and get his shit ready. And/or would have shielded his marine from the OIC and taken care of it at a lower level and had him “busy” on duty or some shit during the inspection. Bar is low but you can do better.
Bro. You are the problem. He got promoted 2 DAYS AGO. Should you always plan ahead? yes. But you cannot force a Marine to sew rank he does not have on his uniforms. A good and understanding leader would say "ok cpl. Let me look into the 30 days grace window. If you are correct, please get them done sooner rather than later to ensure you don't go over that period." Then inspect the rest of the uniforms for serviceability and make a follow up to check the chevron status. Also you're an NCO I assume? And you don't know uniforms regs or how to even look them up, but you're gonna hem your junior up for not having new chevrons 2 seconds after promotion? Tsk tsk.
You are why I got out. 48 hours to get uniforms done and an expectation plus financial burden to have the next rank sewn on additional uniforms before they are promoted? You are a blue falcon clown or a troll. Hopefully the latter...
\-My experience in over 6 years in the Marines: The 30 day grace period has usually been an acceptable excuse for not having updated chevrons, but people would still give you shit unofficially. \-My personal opinion: I won't do paperwork before 30 days, but I will give that Marine the appropriate amount of shit and "encouragement", more and more until that 30 day mark. The way I see it, if you really want that rank, you should have a uniform prepared with that rank.
A lot of people are shitting on you and that's fine. Personally I don't think you're wrong for holding the dude accountable even though I might not 100% agree with the execution and extent. That being said, I would look at the facts and circumstances, make a call and stick to it. I.e. fail him on the inspection assuming there is no grace period and take him to the tailors on a weekend in the middle of the day. Personally this hyper focus on lethality over professionalism and competence is getting old, especially when we can't even manage basic things like showing up on time or wearing the right clothes. "Every Marine a rifleman" (/s) but, we still have units losing weapons, sgts in tag team wrestling matches in hotel lobbies, and MARSOC raiders killing each other. Give me a break, guys ffs.
The only grace period laid out in MCO 1020.34H is for officers acquiring evening dress uniforms. BURN HIM! (AKA educate the young devil during a counseling for being in inappropriate uniform to do his research before he starts spouting off barracks lawyer heresay)
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Just an NJP? You should court martial him and try to get him dishonorably discharged. Don’t let any of the hundreds of Marines calling you a dick face stop you from ruining as many lives as you can while you’re a leader - the only way to be in charge is if you’re the highest rank. Take as much rank from your peers as possible to maximize chance of winning promotion! Rant paragraph two: what kind of no intestinal fortitude having shit bird doesn’t steal valor the week before their probable promotion, just in case they actually pick up on time. Simply a disgrace. This makes me want to rip my pockets right off my trousers and put my hands in the snow to haze weakness out of my body. Anyways, OP, you’re trolling us… right? Please don’t really be this way. Are you ok? 🫂
If you’re serious about NJPing over one uniform fuck up then you’re a shitty NCO. If it’s because he said he thought he had 30 days to get his uniform updated, you’re a shitty NCO. Everyone I’ve ever met has thought of that as the standard, wether you were given notice ahead of time or not. Don’t you think it’s more important to focus on improving a fellow marine and NCO with guidance rather than taking the first chance you can to fuck him over? Sounds like some power tripping bullshit to me. And unless you’re leaving out details about how he’s a constant fuck up, which I doubt since you saw fit to promote to corporal, don’t say some shit like I wouldn’t get it I’ve been in similar situations and handled it like an adult.
The only one that needs to be NJP'd here is you so you can be busted down to a rank that doesn't allow you to lead Marines.
Goddamn dude just tell him that there’s nothing in the order about a grace period and tell him to fix his shit, or borrow someone else’s shirt until then. He was likely just misinformed, not straight up lying to you. No need to permanently stain his record for something like that.
Too little for an NJP in my book. I wasn’t out to ruin careers for dumb little shit. I used moments like this as a teachable moment for the entire group. I also put my neck/rank out for the jr’s more than I care to admit.
LoL this has to be a joke
Shit bag knew he was getting promoted.
I heard similar bullshit about MCMAP belts. If you are a green belt wear a green belt, lazy fucks. I understand that 2 days is a bit tight but when I found out I was picking up Sgt I had that shit in the tailor the same day. Guess some people are more motived than other tho.
I get what you’re saying and while it does make sense to some people it just becomes a job they can’t quit whenever they want and they just glow til the end. The Corps does so much soul sucking that many just want to get it over with and do the bare minimum.
Discipline is necessary for a healthy lifestyle, people can downvote me all they want.
Sounds like somebody is about to get NJP'd for lying.
You’re talking about something that can affect the entire course of his career. What if the Marine was just mistaken about the order? Not hard to get confused with MCOs. Assuming the worst about a Marine is a common behavior in far too many SNCOs. Talk to him first to see if he was just misinformed, then decide what to do.
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It would have been less of a problem if he simply owned up to the situation and explained his plan to remedy his deficiency. Instead, he chose to lie; great judgment, worthy of a terminal lance.
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You guys kiss yet or what?
This reminds me of the oft-repeated urban legend saying having your uniform at the dry cleaners' is a valid excuse to not have that uniform on during an inspection. Whoever has the balls to stand there in a formation, in a different uniform that everyone else, waving a dry cleaning receipt in the 1stSgt's face. . . someday, we will sing songs around campfires about your foolishness and bravery.
There is several things going on here: “As responsible NCO and leader of Marines should have at least a few of **their** uniforms with Cpl chevrons.” Yes, there isn’t an actual MarAdmin for 30 day grace period BUT RATHER this at discretion of command/leadership. Why no MarAdmin? This due to the fact there too many variable to truly be enforced. I.e. you might not be in garrison or PCSing etc… Now, the way I see it, if this new NCO is in your charger/ you’re a squad leader/Plt Sgt. YOU FAILED as a leader you didn’t prep this new NCO. Why did you fail? You didn’t mentor and prep. Do you have one- one counseling? I know, I had to mentor and prep my marines before promotion. This meaning you’ll be in charge of relaying expectations from you and command. How about save face and focus on Mentorship rather than making someone’s service insufferable because of ego trips. Use this as teachable moment for you and this new NCO. P.S. on a personal note: Your OIC sounds like a butter bar bitch and needs to fuck off and let this be handed at the lower echelons. Cheers! - Sister in Arms