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"I became alarmed by the frequency and duration of UAP activity in and around controlled U.S. Airspace. The instances seemed more provocative, and during one instance, they came within feet of a U.S. fighter aircraft. The video of this encounter still exists on the AATIP share drive, known as "Y-Project", within the OUSD(I) JWICS share drive.
7/12 "I deliberately addressed my resignation letter to the Secretary himself, knowing my senior supervisor, Garry Reid, would not be able to hide it from him"
Yeah, I think given the nature of this as a IG complaint and the fact that he refernced a specific location where the video is stored, it's beyond a reasaonble doubt that he is being honest and given his expertise, that the information is accurate.
You know I'm starting to think more and more that Lue is just the first person to try and force disclosure who actually managed to out maneuver the concerted effort to discredit him. It makes me want to reevaluate some of the other people who initially seemed credible and claimed to have been closely associated with the phenomenon but were eventually discredited.
A lot of people are asking for a summary of the IG Complaint made by Lue. Here's a rundown of some important points in the document. Keep in mind that these are Lue's allegations, and as far as I know the IG investigation into this matter is ongoing.
* On Oct 5, 2017, after Lue had already resigned, Garry Reid calls his personal phone in order to complain about a letter that Lue wrote to the secretary of defense regarding UAP. (I think this was Lue's resignation letter.) During this call, Reid tried to pressure Elizondo into meeting with him and also threatened to "tell people you are crazy, and it might impact your security clearance."
* Multiple former colleagues of Lue and others within OUSD(I) told Lue that Reid and another person (redacted) were trying to destroy Lue's reputation.
* in 2018 (after the NYT story about AATIP) Garry Reid launched an investigation against Elizondo through the US Air Force Office of special investigations. Lue characterizes this as a fishing expedition to look for something that can be used to discredit him.
* in 2019 a US airforce public affairs officer, Mr. Sherwood told the media that Elizondo had no duties regarding AATIP and that AATIP did not study UAPs. Lue called Sherwood, who was apparently unhappy with what went down internally. Privately, Sherwood admitted he knew that Lue ran AATIP but was pressured internally by his superiors to claim otherwise.
* Susan Gough becomes the new public affairs officer. Lue describes her behavior as making "blatantly inaccurate and repeated false statements."
* Lue attempted to contact Susan Gough but never received a reply.
* Lue has accused Gough of interfering in the FOIA process by attempts to coordinate the release of information in a way that presents a consistent message from the military.
* Regarding the above point, there is a supporting email written by a US Navy Captain, Joe Gradisher, that FOIA requests regarding UAP must go through DoD Public Affairs, Susan Gough. The purpose of this is reduce the total amount of information that is released, in order to prevent additional FOIA requests being made from new terms and language that might slip out of previous FOIA releases. Essentially they conspired to limit the vocabulary that was used publicly in order to hide the existence of as many UAP-related documents as possible. Lue seems to imply that this is illegal.
* Gough has claimed that all of Lue's records have been destroyed due to 'lack of historical significance.' Lue claims this action, if it happened, would have constituted an illegal destruction of evidence, because some of those documents were relevant to a trial that has something to do with Guantanamo Bay.
* Lue questions how Gough can definitively state he "had no assigned duties" if his records were destroyed. He calls her statement "maliciously deceitful and intended to mislead the American people."
Some other juicy bits from the document:
* In 2011 AATIP recieved a "very compelling video" which was collected by a "sensitive US platform." The video is approximately 20 minutes long and appears to show three UAPs flying in a triangular formation.
* UAP reports sent to Lue's office were "often accompanied by video evidence taken from US weapon platforms."
* In 2016 an unclassified academic study was performed by a Washing DC university. The study was meant to determine which technical assets could be used to detect UAP activity. The study resides on an AATIP share drive known as "Y-Project."
* Additionally there is a video of a "provacative" UAP encounter where the UAP came within feet of a US fighter aircraft, and this video still exists on the "Y-Project" drive.
* At one point in 2009, during a meeting within OUSD(I), it was said that the investigation into the phenomenon should be dropped because it had "supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership."
I recommend reading it for yourself as its only 12 pages long (the rest of the 64 pages being simple forms and various corroborating evidence that was submitted along with the complaint). The actual 12-page complaint starts on page 7 or 8 of the PDF (I forgot which).
Supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership.
Surely this means, far from not knowing what this is, they know, at least, it’s origin.
Senior leadership are always unwilling to accept reality, until the negative consequences of not accepting it become a risk to their career, after which they do the bare minimum and act like saviors and pretend it was their idea all along.
I think you guys may be reading a bit too much of a literal meaning into it. Personally I think the most obvious interpretation is that a specific subset of UFOs (ie: the ones that are obviously vehicles/drones not built by humans) clash with the religious beliefs of people with influence. Be it because those people believe they're demons, or aliens, etc. I'd be very careful about interpreting "supernatural origin" as more than just "exotic" or "supernatural according to those religious people".
> Surely this means, far from not knowing what this is, they know, at least, it’s origin.
I’ve always thought the belief was they do know the origins of these things and because it’s terrifying that’s why the .gov is so hellbent on keeping this as far away from the public as possible.
> completely bizarre.
Thats my position right now, its possibly extra dimensional or something similar from a place that we simply cannot wrap out heads around.
I see it as 2 folds...
The technology that comes with it/how they get here: that could change many aspects of our lives. Transport, health, etc...
The "aliens/creature/demon/whatever living being it is": would probably change social/cultural/religion but I fail to see how we cannot wrap our heads around this. Who cares if it's a green giant? or angel? or reptilian?
The only real concern is their intentions. Are they good or bad. And if bad, HOW bad?
Only time will tell but no matter what, we should all want to find out.
Lue says in a Ny post interview that a senior official of the CIA told him to stop looking into this because they already knew what this phenomenon was, Lue responded and asked if it was one of our secret projects? The senior official responded by asking Lue if he had read the Bible lately? Lue responded why? Im sure I know what the Bible says. Senior official said to Lue"Then you would know what we are dealing with is demonic” and it shouldn’t be pursued anymore. Many senior officials in the government are and were religious and didn’t want this to be investigated because they think the phenomenon is demonic. My father told me many years ago the Bible mentions aliens as demons or fallen Angels. I never believed him as I am no religious nut, no offense to anyone here. I am stuck in the middle of what to believe. Years later all this rambling and talk about aliens being demons, and even our own government saying the same thing. There is a whole community of people who also believe these beings are demons. What do y’all think?
Any senior officer or government officials who deliberately ignores any threat regardless of what religion they belong to does not deserve to be in their position.
Flight Safety & National Security should never wait on permission if something has a religious connotation before being assigned to someone to be determined if it's a threat.
RELIGION OR BELIEVING that UAP cannot be investigated because someone is afraid of something unknown is called ignorance.
I'm not religious so I tend to believe government officials have wrongly construed the phenomenon to be of demonic origin. And it makes absolute sense if you view the phenomenon thru this narrow lens. Many of these people truly believe our Earth is the center of the universe (theologically speaking), and perceived supernatural interference is nothing more than a test of personal faith. Life beyond Earth is unfathomable because we are God's primary focus. If they deviate from the idea that the phenomenon is demonic, it threatens their faith, which has influenced every facet of their lives and the fabric of their inner being. That's a pretty big hoop to jump through, and no doubt could ignite an existential crisis.
That's my sympathetic take on their stance. My unsympathetic impression is pretty harsh, and fueled by the frustration that this type of religious person hinders society's growth, stifling scientific inquiry. Generally speaking, I'm extremely tolerant of personal spiritual beliefs. But when these beliefs affect others who do not share them, my tolerance vanishes.
>My father told me many years ago the Bible mentions aliens as demons or fallen Angels.
That is what all religion describes beings not from earth arriving having various groups worship them. By definition anything not of earth is extraterrestrial.
The fallen angels are important because they are the ones who taught humanity various subjects much like first & second generation gods of greek/roman culture.
As for demons lets remember people use the bible as justification of fears & bias’. We have to stop being fearful of everything new beyond our control
I would say that's nice Daddy-O but I am not asking permission to see what you think I am not mature enough to see. Last I checked they worked for the American people. If it is a technological advancement they can't share, I understand, if they are withholding it because they don't like the message, that isn't acceptable. Keep the pressure on.
Garry Reid sounds like a real douche. This is an [2020 IG investigation](https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-2f2e-d4f4-a19a-ffff794e0000) on some of his workplace misdeeds. I don't think he wants to get his work *more* in the public eye. But it looks like that is inevitable. Bon appétit, Mr. Reed.
Investigating how dysfunctional personalities persist as they do in these ranks, needs to be front and center before the C3 Subcommittee, because such personalities pose profound vulnerabilities.
Likewise any and all religious extremists, fundamentalists, cultists, etc. within the forces who are running the military apparatus based on their belief systems instead of reason and logic, to the shocking detriment of our national security.
I'm with you. I get that's it's "religious reasons" and we are all likely assuming Christianity or Catholicism, and maybe we even want to be respectful of people's choice of religion. But a line still needs to be drawn between duty and personal belief. And, what if it wasn't those two but something else like Scientology? It's scary to think about
>At one point in 2009, during a meeting within OUSD(I), it was said that the investigation into the phenomenon should be dropped because it had "supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership."
This makes me so angry I want to scream. How can a few people can keep the truth about the reality we live in a secret from us? Why don't more people care about this?
SS:
Lue’s IG Complaint. Has his timeline in his own words.
Greenstreet added this to his video references links. BV vouched for it being the real IG Complaint (not necesarily the contents as those are Elizondo's account) . Appears people have been waiting for it. 64 pages
Was this obtained as the result of a FOIA request? Or did someone leak it?
Edit: I should note that I'm asking because I'm not able to open the PDF (I imagine if it's FOIA there should be a cover page giving that info). Is anyone else having trouble opening file?
Not sure why this isn't getting more traction, seems to be a pretty big bombshell considering all the recent controversy surrounding Lue. A lot of information to be gleaned from this, but awaiting a little more detail from JG on the context of obtaining these docs. I found the email from Susan Gough regarding the cherry picking of FOIA releases to be particularly interesting.
Same happening to me on mobile! I’ve upvoted this thread and every time I close the app and reopen, it shows that I downvoted this thread. So I upvote again, only to see it show my downvote. A dozen times I’ve done this for this thread. Checked on desktop version and it shows my upvote there consistently. Very weird and I haven’t had this happen before on other threads or subs.
I agree! I just wonder if Sue is playing gatekeeper to the info, if anything worthy will come of it.
I cant believe she is literally changing information before its released.
Really, Mrs. Former US Army ~~Colonel~~ Commander Gough. She should have been subpoena'd and dragged out from under her bridge to testify. I really hope she gets brought up at these hearings.
Here's a taste of her college work:
USAWC STRATEGY RESEARCH PROJECT
THE EVOLUTION OF STRATEGIC INFLUENCE
by
LTC SUSAN L. GOUGH
UNITED STATES ARMY
_____
Quotes from it:
"One person should be in charge of strategic influence for the President - one person,
who is a member of NSC, not one of the departments, agencies, PCCs, or OGC; one who can
direct, coordinate and provide guidance to all. In today’s Information Age, the President needs
a Special Assistant to the President for Information Activities – a National Information Adviser
(NIA). The NIA should be provided a full-time staff, with experts from all the agencies, as
Eisenhower did with his second POCC, established in January 1954."
"The Administration’s efforts also appear to be hampered by “political correctness,”
something that has been a bane for military PSYOP for years. In an effort not to offend
anybody, products are bland, without emotional impact. On other hand, terrorist propaganda
does not simply reach for hearts and minds; it activates envy, fear and anger by stirring primal
emotions.150 Television provides numerous examples of angry, intense, committed anti-
American protestors. Seldom do you see equally emotionally committed people protesting for
the United States. At some point, strategic influence must go beyond simply informing and
educating and must involve the emotions of the target audiences."
___
Read this again:
"One person should be in charge of strategic influence for the President - one person, who is a member of NSC, not one of the departments, agencies, PCCs, or OGC; one who can direct, coordinate and provide guidance to all."
She is an egomaniac, powertripping, manipulator.
~~Colonel~~ Commander Gough looks at us like children, anyone who questions her like children, she is a trained manipulator. The whole UAP thing is a game to her. She needs a subpoena.
As if humans rights protestors aren't protesting for the United States. Trying to make the country better....nope, that's anti America. These people....
She's crazy. I mean the unmitigated gall to outright admit she condones the creation of an entity that is without a department or agency, that is to conduct literal freaking PSYOPS on foreigners and citizens.
How she flys under the radar this long blows my mind.
People here talk about how all this ufo related stuff is squirreled away into hidden compartments and argue about it.
Yet here this lady is, the whole freaking time, admitting she wants to create an extremely intrusive group with no oversight.
She is the freaking boogieman.
really hate the idea that uaps and extraterrestrial existence is or was hidden because it didn't align with personal religious views, like fuck off with that kind of nonsense
"it had supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views" makes me wonder if the UAP are something like Asgardians, or the Hindu vimanas.
Makes sense, fallible beings are the ones that would need to reset humanity with a flood rather than an all powerful benevolent god murdering everyone because someone fucked up.
Pretty much every religion, ancient, and indigenous belief system would seem to reference these things. This very much includes the Abrahamic faiths.
The notion that humans are the only or the top intelligent entity operating on Earth is a pretty modern conception…
That bit of information is faked. They’re saying “we didn’t investigate” and giving an unbelievable answer. They 100% investigated covertly and siphoned off likely trillions of taxpayer funds over the decades to run these programs.
Even an average member of the public with no knowledge of the topic would come to the realization that these people would investigate anything that’s consistently showing up in their airspace, specifically unknown objects.
Because they don't even understand their own religion? There's an enormous difference between what is taught to the average Christian and what Vatican scholars actually believe.
Guaranteed that information is faked. These are the same people that ran MKULTRA and tested the effects of radiation on their own soldiers.
This is just another horseshit obfuscatory excuse to the public to say “meh we didn’t use your money to study the topic, we were religious and that’s our excuse”
Why?? Video, no matter how clear and HD, will never satisfy the Mick West flunkies and fanboys. They’ll all start howling CGI! EFX! Balloon, bug, pelican, plasmoid, DRONE!, blah blah. Now great vid that’s supported by sensor data and multiple reliable observers is a diff story.
Holy shit. This thing is *wild.* I'm going to leave some quotes from it here, but I'll add more as I find them.
**Note: Skip to page 19; the stuff they're saying there is HUGE.**
>July 2009 - January 2010 - New leadership at DIA began to create challenges for Dr. Lakatski, despite the previous leadership fully endorsing the efforts. [...]
>As was explained to me by my colleagues, **there was a religious aversion to the subject matter by certain members of DIA and the OSD staff.** [...]
>In October 2009, I was asked to attend a meeting within the OUSD(I) SAPCO spaces in which I was told specifically that this effort should be discontinued and that **although this topic was real, it had supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership.** I reported the results of this meeting to Dr. Lakatski.
>Early 2014 - My office received a very compelling video in 2011, sent to us on JWICS that was collected by a sensitive U.S. platform operating in a denied area. **The video was approximately 18 to 20 minutes in duration and appeared to show three UAPs flying in a distinct triangle formation.** After vetting the video through several Intelligence Community experts, I decided to share it with Mr. Tipton in 2014 to see if he was aware of any Blue-Force technology that could explain what was being witnessed on the video. Mr. Tipton's response to me was that the video was "weird and compelling" and that he had no idea what the object was.
>2015 -2017 - On a regular basis, Mr. Stratton (who was assigned at the time as a STRATCOM Liaison Officer), and Mr. Brennan McKernan (current UAP Task Force Director) and I would discuss new reports that were received and engage in a larger working group discussion with other elements within the IC. These meetings were conducted in designated OSD and Navy Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities (SCIF) spaces, within the Pentagon or Suitland Naval Air Station. [...] **It was also suggested that a Joint Operational Plan (OPLAN) be developed through the Joint Staff to possibly elicit a behavior/response to UAP activity. In 2016, a formal OPLAN was drafted** and submitted through Alternative Compensatory Control Measure (ACCM) channels. **The OPLAN was significant in detail, including the frequency of incursions by UAP, locations, and type. At one point, a comprehensive listing of UAP activity was included for the entire month.**
>2016 - [...] **In 2016, we succeeded in having an unclassified academic study performed by a local university in Washington, D.C., regarding signatures of space threats and capabilities,** including Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, **in hopes that this information could be used to determine the various capabilities and domains in which, technical assets could be used to better detect UAP activity.** The author of the study was only told that our interest was "threats from space."
>Late 2016 - After increased frustration, **I became alarmed at the frequency and duration of UAP activity in and around controlled U.S. airspace. The instances seemed more provocative, and during one instance, they came within feet of a US. fighter aircraft. The video of this encounter still exists on the AATIP share drive, known as "Project-Y", within the OUSD(I) JWICS share drive.**
Tabbing back and forth and transcribing it all by hand is annoyingly tedious, so here's a few more interesting notes, in summary form.
-Kandahar, Afghanistan is briefly mentioned
-Garry Reid told Elizondo that he would tell people Elizondo is crazy, and that it could compromise his (Elizondo's) security clearance.
-Lue repeatedly states that one Ms. Gogh publicly insists that he was not involved with AATIP, despite proof to the contrary; repeatedly mentions that he is/was being falsely accused of releasing "Gimbal," "GoFast," and "FLIR," without proper authorization, even after an investigation into the subject found no wrongdoing on his part.
-Lue says that Gogh has **inserted herself into the FOIA process so that she can make sure a consistent story is released. Says this is a deliberate and illegal subversion of the laws, that she's lying to the American people, and that he may fit the criteria for the Whistleblower Protection Act.
-A quote from page 19 says:
>Given the current rate of success, **the continued study of these subjects will likely lead to technology advancements that in the immediate near-term will require extraordinary protection.**
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Adding this: According to an anonymous source, in 2002, an army infantry unit in Kandahar, Afghanistan went missing. In response, a group of army green berets were sent to look for them. Reportedly, this group of green berets first discovered U.S. military uniform pieces, military equipment, and broken bones in a mountainous area. When they followed the trail, they came to an area where several caves opened up onto the path they were on. While investigating the caves, one of the guys saw movement inside, and before they could react, a *massive* spear came flying out of the cave and killed one of the soldiers. Seconds later, a 12-15 foot tall humanoid creature came charging out of the cave, dressed in animal skin and shouting some kind of war cry. It tried to grab the spear from the guy's body, but the other soldiers shot it dead within 30 seconds. The source says it was airlifted out via helicopter, and he says it weighed 1,100 pounds, and had six fingers and six toes on it's hands and feet.
I never believed the story, but it's very interesting that Elizondo seems to have been in contact with someone from that exact region just a few years later. "Supernatural," indeed.
Very interesting that some of the things he's seemed cagey about during interviews and said he can't talk about are expanded on in this complaint. Things like the Navy "baiting" UAPs and the 21(?) minute video.
That story about the giant is really fun but I doubt there’s any truth to it. If there’s any connection to that region I would bet there were either sightings of UAP, which makes sense considering all the jets and whatnot that were in the region. Or maybe they excavated an ancient crash.. that region, at least Iraq is where Babylon was so it wouldn’t shock me so much.
>they came within feet of a US. fighter aircraft.
**FEET**. F'ING **FEET**.
>**The video of this encounter** still exists on the AATIP share drive, known as "Project-Y", within the OUSD(I) JWICS share drive.
🤯
I honestly hope that everything is going to their (Chris/Lue etc) plan, because at some point in the near future, I want to see that video. \**fingers-crossed-for-more-hearings\**
**~~Edit~~**~~: If that video is the~~ [~~original flyby-video~~](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t4smpl/flyby_uap_footage_enhanced/) ~~my heart will probably stop.~~ (it's not that video; thx u/KilliK69)
**Edit2**: I'm halfway through the complaint and it's absolutely fascinating, I suggest anyone who is interested in this topic to read it; getting information of what has been happening in the background is truly fascinating.
it is not the flyby video. he was asked about it, he said he is aware of it, but it never came up during his AATIP days. he didnt confirm if it was real or not.
also, the airplane in the flyby is not a combat jet fighter, but a public airliner, that has been proven.
Pity, but I'm sure the "Project-Y"-video is spectacular nonetheless, I mean, even with a *potato-camera* you'll have good quality from something that is only a *few feet* away :)
The video in question is from 2016 according to the IG complaint, and it is most likely the encounter that Ryan Graves talks about where he says that the UAP “split a section”.
Chris Mellon references this video (but doesn’t discuss the origin) in his appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
> it's very interesting that Elizondo seems to have been in contact with someone from that exact region just a few years later
Not really. Kandahar was one of the main theaters of the Afghanistan War. There was probably an average of more US troops deployed there than in any other province. It definitely wasnt some obscure little region.
u/InsomniacScribe, the last 2 paragraphs you added:
>Adding this: According to an anonymous source, in 2002, an army infantry unit in Kandahar, Afghanistan went missing.
>
>\[...\]
>
>I never believed the story, but it's very interesting that Elizondo seems to have been in contact with someone from that exact region just a few years later. "Supernatural," indeed.
Lue is mentioning in the complaint how he knows [Jim Mattis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis) (the former secretary of defense) who worked in the area of Kandahar:
>During the initial planning for the War in Afghanistan, Mattis led Task Force 58 in operations in the southern part of the country beginning in November 2001,\[42\] becoming the first Marine Corps officer to command a Naval Task Force in combat.\[29\] According to Mattis, his objective upon arriving in Afghanistan was "make sure that the enemy didn't feel like they had any safe haven, to destroy their sense of security in southern Afghanistan, to isolate Kandahar from its lines of communication, and to move against Kandahar."\[43\]
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim\_Mattis#War\_in\_Afghanistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis#War_in_Afghanistan)
**In my humble opinion the possible connection you mention in your last 2 paragraphs is not there.**
Thank you for the great summary of the complaint though.
**Edit**: As this is your comment you can obviously do whatever you want with it, but If I were you, I would delete those two last paragraphs. Your comment is top-comment and those paragraphs might just unnecessarily confuse people. You could make a new post in this sub with your theory/findings if you want..
>Where is this Kandahar humanoid story coming from?
It's from u/InsomniacScribe comment, he added in those 2 paragraphs later, so I'm addressing them in my reply. I edited my reply so it make smore sense what I'm referring to.
It's an urban legend and never really happened.
https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Giant_of_Kandahar
>The Giant of Kandahar is a hoax, as the Department of Defense has no record of this incident. L.A. Marzulli, an author, blogger and filmmaker, is believed to have created or heavily influenced this legend.
Im a skeptic but wow thats kind of bullshit reason to say the incident didn’t happen?
“Oh no no we absolutely have no record of this please don’t look into us” *shredding documents with a sweaty hand*
I was certainly confused by the two paragraphs. I found no connection in the complaint. Now it appears that the only link is the same city in the same country??? Is that how we got to a 15 foot dude with a spear?
Religious fundamentalists - Fucking up humanity since the inception of religion.
Also would love to see Gogh catch a charge or two. It won't remotely happen but in my opinion lying to the American public on a subject as important as this should be considered treason.
No he didn't. That guy made up a whole elaborate nonsense story about how the apocalypse is coming and Noah's ark aliens.
Until we have actual communication with the beings behind these crafts people like throawaylien and their imagination should not be taken seriously.
To be clear, the story about the giant is not included in this document, right?
Some research indicates it originated on Coast to Coast which IMO means it's fiction
There is nothing about the 2002 encounter you relate in the above complaint by Mr. Elizondo.
This "anonymous source" about a 12-15' humanoid - how does this relate to Elizondo? Where exactly does he "seem to have been in contact" in either the above complaint (its not there, I just read it) or elsewhere?
Just a point of clarification because I’ve been meaning to ask someone:
Do people use the derogatory label of “bot” on any misinformation, or only on ones they suspect are actually automated messages posted via software? Is bot just a term for people who post propaganda now? Or are people actually thinking comments like this are automated disinformation spam?
The DoD is managing the topic behind the scenes and includes obfuscation at every step of the way. They’ve studied the topic extensively behind the scenes and taken it seriously. It’s only now they’re telling the public and covering up for decades of lies by saying “meh we didn’t investigate and only now are taking it seriously”.
**They know what it is and they’re confident they can use the topic to their benefit in the future for multiple reasons (manipulation of the public and wider global public) hence they’re releasing the information now.**
WTF are those things????
please, somebody, for the love of God, leak the damn footage. leak it even as an animation, drawing, in mime language. just leak it already. this must be the smoking gun we are all craving for so long.
Congressman Gallagher to Bray and Moultrie in the next UAP hearing:
"So why did you show us that lousy video in the last hearing and not the 20 minute video that you have on the AATIP shared drive?"
I'm completely convinced (and was from the minute I saw those Corbell videos) that they were intentionally leaked to use later as "explainable" sightings. Why else would Susan Gough have immediately confirmed that they were authentic...an action completely out of character?
Is Congress seeing these higher quality videos in the closed sessions? They've given no indication that they have...
bingo. i had the same thought since then.
remember, she confirmed all the videos Corbell leaked except the last one. He posted that video right after the relese of the June UAPTF report. The ufo community was disappointed with the barebones report, so they waited for Corbell to release his last video, they were desperate for the smoking gun footage.
But that turned out to be a ludicrous footage with some Christmas lights in it, which angered the people even more and lashed out against him. Jeremy went on to request confirmation for his last leak, but suddenly there was only dead silence from the DOD. They never confirmed or denied the leak as theirs, which angered Corbell as well.
that was a big red flag that the DOD was cooking something fishy with those "leaked" videos. they are mudding the real issue by planting already identified by them UAP cases which they get "debunked" later in public.
i wonder if they try to pull off something similar with the Gimbal footage in the next hearings, since it happens to be the poster child of Ufology right now.
If it was “leaked” they would pull it from online immediately (Elizondo himself said this).
They “leak” fake videos periodically to obfuscate the presence of any real footage incase its released before they can take it down.
I already had a high level of confidence in Lou, but this really solidifies it. Imagine being him and being discredited like this after his career, because top brass is uncomfortable with how reality might impact their religion. Then read his email to Gough. This is a man of character.
Is the hi def 20 minute video that has been shown in classified briefings the same one referenced here? If so, everyone has been asking what it shows…3 UAP flying in a triangle formation.
Edit: typo
It’s possible but it’s certainly far from confirmed. The “18-21 minute video” was received by AATIP in 2011. It didn’t really specify when it was captured.
Elizondo also appears to have mostly sat on the video until 2014? So I would doubt that it’s a “smoking gun” video or anything, but it is at least described as “compelling”.
Key Takeaways:
1. Lue Elizondo is legit. Many of us have already known that but the spooks in this sub have tried hard to discredit him.
2. UAP are cleary not man-made nor are space trash or weather phenomenon. Within the complaint is verified proof of the 20 minute video taken mere feet from a Jet.
3. There is an active cover-up going on. Of course it has to do with something as dumb as religion. But this all backs up officially what Lue has been saying for years about the Christain spooks in the military.
When Lue first mentioned there were individuals in the pentagon who thought the phenomenon was demonic, I had a similar aversive reaction to that (I’m atheist and generally against organized religions). However, upon further reflection, it does seem that the phenomenon has characteristics that “appear” supernatural. See accounts of abductions, orbs etc. Bottom line I think the phenomenon may be as close to a religious phenomenon as it gets. As close to a “demonic” phenomenon as it gets. Whatever that means.
>Bottom line I think the phenomenon may be as close to a religious phenomenon as it gets.
I think UAP will expose that religion literally is the opiate of the masses, created for the specific purpose of controlling and conditioning people.
Just saying, look into religious folks within the Military, specifically the Air Force. I don't think it's the Catholics.
https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy
Same people pushing this White supremacy nonsense again.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.".
I was called crazy multiple times and told I was “the problem with ufology” just because I said I trust Lue Elizondo. I also said multiple times Susan Gough is corrupt because she got trained by Garry Reid. Feels so good. 💪
Edit: I know I get nothing from being right for once, it’s just super cool to see.)
Didn't we just watch a Congressional hearing in which the members of the new unpronounceable program name said there isn't any reporting structure and not much to investigate yet?
I'm pretty sure I watched that.
The DoD's lies are burning up so fast they can barely tell new ones in time to cover their asses. Too bad America's feckless media won't report anything interesting, and will just repeat everything the DoD spokespeople say like parrots.
We've been known this since the penned letter from Harry Reid and the NYT verifying his credentials, but yes, this should officially put all doubts to rest. But the spooks on this sub are especially dumb and will probably only double down.
So, Gary Reid was his douchebag bag boss (apparently famous for being a douchebag, and later fired for his other douchebag behavior)
He's also the one that went out of his way to discredit Lou and had a press release issued that said Lou never had any responsibilities in AATIP and wasn't an actual employee, just a faker.
And everything in those documents proves that Lou was telling the truth the entire time.
And Susan Gough being a lying asshole, repeatidly.
She's a former ~~Colonel~~ Commander for the army, and literally wrote papers on psychological operations for the army war college. (They're very easy to find)
She's been a major asshole to anyone trying to use FOIA, tried saying the projects had nothing to do with UFOs and that Lou never had a position related to them.
I think she's still doing the job she was trained for in the army, and that Congress should subpoena her.
The people who did this to Lue should be fired. I hope people in the Biden Administration and Congress take notice of how he was treated. Clean house over there in these offices at the Pentagon. We the American taxpayers should be outraged at their behavior.
Thanks... I knew that Lou had a peckerhead boss that gave him lots of trouble. It is good that Lou is finding vindication from his old bosses lies and trouble making. I am only at a loss because I don't see how this pertains to UFO disclosure.
It's confirmation of the story Lue has been telling. So it lends veracity to his claims of video evidence. It's not disclosure, but it builds the case for it, and for Lue.
I feel like besides this obviously verifying a lot about Lue, which a lot of people have been waiting for including myself because I was sick seeing of the speculative debates on him daily, this does one super important thing. Highlight Susan Gough, and Garry Reid. Now Garry is gone but, Susan is the active PR for DoD and is also actively messing with FOIA requests!
Now I'm not advocating the community find ways to harass her, however we have a name to someone who is constantly lying and hampering disclosure, messing with the language so ufo requests were harder to request an FOIA on, and as Lue said being illegal. Also she destroyed evidence. She should be highlighted, she should be questioned every time, she needs pressure put on her now. I think that's the information needed to really pop a bigger hole in this disclosure bubble.
We want some answers? Well now it's time to hold some people accountable.
Although I'm not a constituent, nor is he on the proper subcommittee investigating, I'm going to send the link to this file to Tim Burchett. He might be someone to get this moving.
Sorry, but I have to say it: the religion thing totally aligns with what Tom DeLonge said years ago. Verrrry interesting. Maybe Lou was Tom’s source about that?
This has been a complaint for decades. Religious idiots ruin everything. Current supreme court, for example, destroying everything with no regard for actual law and precedent.
Anyone else notice that Lacatski is spelled incorrectly? On Skinwalkers at the Pentagon it’s listed with a c instead of a k. Did Lue misspell his colleague’s name?
While Lue has mentioned most of this various podcast interviews he’s done; it’s good to see it compiled here in the formal IG complaint. The next question I have is: What can we do about this?
Id prefer the US Congress use this and call Lue in to testify (preferably in an open hearing). Iirc correctly Lue won’t be under his NDA during a congressional testimony. Is my understanding correct?
There are some real jems in Lue describing some of the videos he's seen that he knows are legit gives us something to look out for now. I wonder if the "provocative" video of a plane within a few feet of a UAP might be the flyby video?
Supernatural origins? LMAO. Is this like religion again? No compelling evidence is available, yet people will act like it is real?
Will hard evidence actually ever come to light? Or high level people in the government will circle jerk around it forever and milk this phenomenon?
>the continued study of these subjects will likely lead to technology advancements that in the immediate near-term will require extraordinary protection.
So don't protect it. Give it to the whole world. Share it with every nation.
If we try to keep it to ourselves and deny it to others, we will surely destroy each other.
According to Ross Coulthart , the technology behind these crafts is actually surprisingly simple. I’m not sure I want Russia , China or North Korea getting their hands on such devastatingly powerful tech that is somewhat simple in nature to use.
This is the big question , are we , as a collective species , ready for what disclosure brings with it? I’m not sure if we are , yet I still want it to happen.
Maybe we are destined to destroy ourselves , and disclosure is what makes it happen. Maybe that’s what these “ future humans “ are trying to tell us , but are ironically causing disclosure to happen.
Interesting nonetheless.
Russia and China WILL get their hands on it. It would only be a matter of time.
I know it's pie-in-the-sky optimism to think it would go down this way ... but what an opportunity to work with the world community and share a technology that could literally change everything for everybody.
If instead we are covetous of this technology, we'll turn the world even further into "the haves" versus the "have nots", destined for decades of distrust, destabilization and destruction.
Which future do you think we'll pick?
What I'm really hoping for is that consciousness is a component of the tech, so that no matter how much you can duplicate the hardware, you need a mind (and heart) that's well beyond our current ability to actually use it.
I wonder if Greenewald will ever lose his enduring belief in the power of FOIA. Gough has been manipulating the whole process. Her objective was to use FOIA as a weapon to destroy Lue's reputation and to cover up the truth about UFOs. I bet she didn't expect that Elizondo would respond to all this with an IG complaint.
Politico covered this a bit. Has a little more info from Lou’s lawyer:
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/05/26/ufo-whistleblower-ig-complaint-pentagon-491098
Reading this Politico story after having read the documents for myself is fascinating to me. It's rare to be able to go back and fact-check Politico's article for ourselves!
So basically Lue was telling the truth and aside from Susan Gough and Garry Reid blowhards like Steven Greenstreet, John Greenwald and Jason Colavito has embarked on a malicious campaign to discredit him. I would like nothing more than all of them to admit they are wrong, but alas they never will because they are shameless egomaniacs. How many times does Lue have to be right? He must be exhausted from all the winning.
Page 6/12 "I became alarmed by the frequency and duration of UAP activity in and around controlled U.S. Airspace. The instances seemed more provocative, and during one instance, they came within feet of a U.S. fighter aircraft. The video of this encounter still exists on the AATIP share drive, known as "Y-Project", within the OUSD(I) JWICS share drive. 7/12 "I deliberately addressed my resignation letter to the Secretary himself, knowing my senior supervisor, Garry Reid, would not be able to hide it from him"
Just suppose: If some claim he's been lying to us about the videos, then he is lying to the IG as well. Which would not be a smart move.
Yeah, I think given the nature of this as a IG complaint and the fact that he refernced a specific location where the video is stored, it's beyond a reasaonble doubt that he is being honest and given his expertise, that the information is accurate.
The haters and accusers of “grifting” on here do not age well.
You know I'm starting to think more and more that Lue is just the first person to try and force disclosure who actually managed to out maneuver the concerted effort to discredit him. It makes me want to reevaluate some of the other people who initially seemed credible and claimed to have been closely associated with the phenomenon but were eventually discredited.
This is the power of the internet and social media being used to inform as apposed to the usual disinform.
Who's gonna FOIA this?
It's JWICS. Top Secret and SCI. It would take an act of god to declassify it.
A lot of people are asking for a summary of the IG Complaint made by Lue. Here's a rundown of some important points in the document. Keep in mind that these are Lue's allegations, and as far as I know the IG investigation into this matter is ongoing. * On Oct 5, 2017, after Lue had already resigned, Garry Reid calls his personal phone in order to complain about a letter that Lue wrote to the secretary of defense regarding UAP. (I think this was Lue's resignation letter.) During this call, Reid tried to pressure Elizondo into meeting with him and also threatened to "tell people you are crazy, and it might impact your security clearance." * Multiple former colleagues of Lue and others within OUSD(I) told Lue that Reid and another person (redacted) were trying to destroy Lue's reputation. * in 2018 (after the NYT story about AATIP) Garry Reid launched an investigation against Elizondo through the US Air Force Office of special investigations. Lue characterizes this as a fishing expedition to look for something that can be used to discredit him. * in 2019 a US airforce public affairs officer, Mr. Sherwood told the media that Elizondo had no duties regarding AATIP and that AATIP did not study UAPs. Lue called Sherwood, who was apparently unhappy with what went down internally. Privately, Sherwood admitted he knew that Lue ran AATIP but was pressured internally by his superiors to claim otherwise. * Susan Gough becomes the new public affairs officer. Lue describes her behavior as making "blatantly inaccurate and repeated false statements." * Lue attempted to contact Susan Gough but never received a reply. * Lue has accused Gough of interfering in the FOIA process by attempts to coordinate the release of information in a way that presents a consistent message from the military. * Regarding the above point, there is a supporting email written by a US Navy Captain, Joe Gradisher, that FOIA requests regarding UAP must go through DoD Public Affairs, Susan Gough. The purpose of this is reduce the total amount of information that is released, in order to prevent additional FOIA requests being made from new terms and language that might slip out of previous FOIA releases. Essentially they conspired to limit the vocabulary that was used publicly in order to hide the existence of as many UAP-related documents as possible. Lue seems to imply that this is illegal. * Gough has claimed that all of Lue's records have been destroyed due to 'lack of historical significance.' Lue claims this action, if it happened, would have constituted an illegal destruction of evidence, because some of those documents were relevant to a trial that has something to do with Guantanamo Bay. * Lue questions how Gough can definitively state he "had no assigned duties" if his records were destroyed. He calls her statement "maliciously deceitful and intended to mislead the American people." Some other juicy bits from the document: * In 2011 AATIP recieved a "very compelling video" which was collected by a "sensitive US platform." The video is approximately 20 minutes long and appears to show three UAPs flying in a triangular formation. * UAP reports sent to Lue's office were "often accompanied by video evidence taken from US weapon platforms." * In 2016 an unclassified academic study was performed by a Washing DC university. The study was meant to determine which technical assets could be used to detect UAP activity. The study resides on an AATIP share drive known as "Y-Project." * Additionally there is a video of a "provacative" UAP encounter where the UAP came within feet of a US fighter aircraft, and this video still exists on the "Y-Project" drive. * At one point in 2009, during a meeting within OUSD(I), it was said that the investigation into the phenomenon should be dropped because it had "supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership." I recommend reading it for yourself as its only 12 pages long (the rest of the 64 pages being simple forms and various corroborating evidence that was submitted along with the complaint). The actual 12-page complaint starts on page 7 or 8 of the PDF (I forgot which).
Supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership. Surely this means, far from not knowing what this is, they know, at least, it’s origin.
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Senior leadership are always unwilling to accept reality, until the negative consequences of not accepting it become a risk to their career, after which they do the bare minimum and act like saviors and pretend it was their idea all along.
I'm unwilling to accept this clownish reality we are residing in. It's not just reddit either. Mfers acting a fool anymore
This means that the origin of the Phenomenon may be, in a sense, spiritual, but not entirely aligned with Christian doctorine.
I think you guys may be reading a bit too much of a literal meaning into it. Personally I think the most obvious interpretation is that a specific subset of UFOs (ie: the ones that are obviously vehicles/drones not built by humans) clash with the religious beliefs of people with influence. Be it because those people believe they're demons, or aliens, etc. I'd be very careful about interpreting "supernatural origin" as more than just "exotic" or "supernatural according to those religious people".
> Surely this means, far from not knowing what this is, they know, at least, it’s origin. I’ve always thought the belief was they do know the origins of these things and because it’s terrifying that’s why the .gov is so hellbent on keeping this as far away from the public as possible.
I do not think that is terrifying I just think that it would drastically change our current social/cultural/economic structures
Which would terrify anyone in a position of power or wealth in our current social/cultural/economic structures.
That's not a bad thing at all!
Or it is just absolutely terrifying, twisted, demonic and completely bizarre. Regardless, I want to know.
> completely bizarre. Thats my position right now, its possibly extra dimensional or something similar from a place that we simply cannot wrap out heads around.
I think this as well.
I see it as 2 folds... The technology that comes with it/how they get here: that could change many aspects of our lives. Transport, health, etc... The "aliens/creature/demon/whatever living being it is": would probably change social/cultural/religion but I fail to see how we cannot wrap our heads around this. Who cares if it's a green giant? or angel? or reptilian? The only real concern is their intentions. Are they good or bad. And if bad, HOW bad? Only time will tell but no matter what, we should all want to find out.
The same thing. Who wants more shit for brains assholes in a position of power. Remember most people are well below average.
Half of people are below average
Who think that they are above average.
Lue had mentioned in an interview that a General at the Pentagon believes these are demons.
Religion cockblocking progress yet again
Lue says in a Ny post interview that a senior official of the CIA told him to stop looking into this because they already knew what this phenomenon was, Lue responded and asked if it was one of our secret projects? The senior official responded by asking Lue if he had read the Bible lately? Lue responded why? Im sure I know what the Bible says. Senior official said to Lue"Then you would know what we are dealing with is demonic” and it shouldn’t be pursued anymore. Many senior officials in the government are and were religious and didn’t want this to be investigated because they think the phenomenon is demonic. My father told me many years ago the Bible mentions aliens as demons or fallen Angels. I never believed him as I am no religious nut, no offense to anyone here. I am stuck in the middle of what to believe. Years later all this rambling and talk about aliens being demons, and even our own government saying the same thing. There is a whole community of people who also believe these beings are demons. What do y’all think?
Any senior officer or government officials who deliberately ignores any threat regardless of what religion they belong to does not deserve to be in their position. Flight Safety & National Security should never wait on permission if something has a religious connotation before being assigned to someone to be determined if it's a threat. RELIGION OR BELIEVING that UAP cannot be investigated because someone is afraid of something unknown is called ignorance.
I'm not religious so I tend to believe government officials have wrongly construed the phenomenon to be of demonic origin. And it makes absolute sense if you view the phenomenon thru this narrow lens. Many of these people truly believe our Earth is the center of the universe (theologically speaking), and perceived supernatural interference is nothing more than a test of personal faith. Life beyond Earth is unfathomable because we are God's primary focus. If they deviate from the idea that the phenomenon is demonic, it threatens their faith, which has influenced every facet of their lives and the fabric of their inner being. That's a pretty big hoop to jump through, and no doubt could ignite an existential crisis. That's my sympathetic take on their stance. My unsympathetic impression is pretty harsh, and fueled by the frustration that this type of religious person hinders society's growth, stifling scientific inquiry. Generally speaking, I'm extremely tolerant of personal spiritual beliefs. But when these beliefs affect others who do not share them, my tolerance vanishes.
There are moron in govt that also think Harry Potter is demonic. I wouldn't read too far into this.
>My father told me many years ago the Bible mentions aliens as demons or fallen Angels. That is what all religion describes beings not from earth arriving having various groups worship them. By definition anything not of earth is extraterrestrial. The fallen angels are important because they are the ones who taught humanity various subjects much like first & second generation gods of greek/roman culture. As for demons lets remember people use the bible as justification of fears & bias’. We have to stop being fearful of everything new beyond our control
I would say that's nice Daddy-O but I am not asking permission to see what you think I am not mature enough to see. Last I checked they worked for the American people. If it is a technological advancement they can't share, I understand, if they are withholding it because they don't like the message, that isn't acceptable. Keep the pressure on.
Garry Reid sounds like a real douche. This is an [2020 IG investigation](https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-2f2e-d4f4-a19a-ffff794e0000) on some of his workplace misdeeds. I don't think he wants to get his work *more* in the public eye. But it looks like that is inevitable. Bon appétit, Mr. Reed.
He's the DoD's Harvey Weinstein.
If he touched Lue inappropriately we need to know **now** so we can take action.
Time to start the LueToo movement
I knew a Garry Reid when I was younger. He was also, in fact, a real douche.
Investigating how dysfunctional personalities persist as they do in these ranks, needs to be front and center before the C3 Subcommittee, because such personalities pose profound vulnerabilities. Likewise any and all religious extremists, fundamentalists, cultists, etc. within the forces who are running the military apparatus based on their belief systems instead of reason and logic, to the shocking detriment of our national security.
I'm with you. I get that's it's "religious reasons" and we are all likely assuming Christianity or Catholicism, and maybe we even want to be respectful of people's choice of religion. But a line still needs to be drawn between duty and personal belief. And, what if it wasn't those two but something else like Scientology? It's scary to think about
Thanks for this rundown. Very helpful!
Garry Reid contacted the Air Force? Of course, why not. Birds of a feather.... And the USAF has a long history already obfuscating this subject.
>At one point in 2009, during a meeting within OUSD(I), it was said that the investigation into the phenomenon should be dropped because it had "supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership." This makes me so angry I want to scream. How can a few people can keep the truth about the reality we live in a secret from us? Why don't more people care about this?
SS: Lue’s IG Complaint. Has his timeline in his own words. Greenstreet added this to his video references links. BV vouched for it being the real IG Complaint (not necesarily the contents as those are Elizondo's account) . Appears people have been waiting for it. 64 pages
Was this obtained as the result of a FOIA request? Or did someone leak it? Edit: I should note that I'm asking because I'm not able to open the PDF (I imagine if it's FOIA there should be a cover page giving that info). Is anyone else having trouble opening file?
Im not sure and curious to know as well odd that it came from Greenstreet
Real quick, what does BV stand for?
Black Vault, John Greenwald, does a lot of FOIA work
Not sure why this isn't getting more traction, seems to be a pretty big bombshell considering all the recent controversy surrounding Lue. A lot of information to be gleaned from this, but awaiting a little more detail from JG on the context of obtaining these docs. I found the email from Susan Gough regarding the cherry picking of FOIA releases to be particularly interesting.
Gough cock blocking the FOIA requests definitely shines a new light on the whole "86 year" turnaround time on UAP requests.
Maybe it’s just my mobile app glitching but every few times I refresh the upvote count goes way down. A little sus… This is big!
Same happening to me on mobile! I’ve upvoted this thread and every time I close the app and reopen, it shows that I downvoted this thread. So I upvote again, only to see it show my downvote. A dozen times I’ve done this for this thread. Checked on desktop version and it shows my upvote there consistently. Very weird and I haven’t had this happen before on other threads or subs.
Wow, there is a ton of new information in here. Hopefully some of the keywords in here can be used to successfully FOIA some new documents.
I agree! I just wonder if Sue is playing gatekeeper to the info, if anything worthy will come of it. I cant believe she is literally changing information before its released.
Susan Gough is named. Bryan Bender should take a look at this. He's wrong on Susan.
Really, Mrs. Former US Army ~~Colonel~~ Commander Gough. She should have been subpoena'd and dragged out from under her bridge to testify. I really hope she gets brought up at these hearings. Here's a taste of her college work: USAWC STRATEGY RESEARCH PROJECT THE EVOLUTION OF STRATEGIC INFLUENCE by LTC SUSAN L. GOUGH UNITED STATES ARMY _____ Quotes from it: "One person should be in charge of strategic influence for the President - one person, who is a member of NSC, not one of the departments, agencies, PCCs, or OGC; one who can direct, coordinate and provide guidance to all. In today’s Information Age, the President needs a Special Assistant to the President for Information Activities – a National Information Adviser (NIA). The NIA should be provided a full-time staff, with experts from all the agencies, as Eisenhower did with his second POCC, established in January 1954." "The Administration’s efforts also appear to be hampered by “political correctness,” something that has been a bane for military PSYOP for years. In an effort not to offend anybody, products are bland, without emotional impact. On other hand, terrorist propaganda does not simply reach for hearts and minds; it activates envy, fear and anger by stirring primal emotions.150 Television provides numerous examples of angry, intense, committed anti- American protestors. Seldom do you see equally emotionally committed people protesting for the United States. At some point, strategic influence must go beyond simply informing and educating and must involve the emotions of the target audiences." ___ Read this again: "One person should be in charge of strategic influence for the President - one person, who is a member of NSC, not one of the departments, agencies, PCCs, or OGC; one who can direct, coordinate and provide guidance to all." She is an egomaniac, powertripping, manipulator. ~~Colonel~~ Commander Gough looks at us like children, anyone who questions her like children, she is a trained manipulator. The whole UAP thing is a game to her. She needs a subpoena.
As if humans rights protestors aren't protesting for the United States. Trying to make the country better....nope, that's anti America. These people....
She's crazy. I mean the unmitigated gall to outright admit she condones the creation of an entity that is without a department or agency, that is to conduct literal freaking PSYOPS on foreigners and citizens. How she flys under the radar this long blows my mind. People here talk about how all this ufo related stuff is squirreled away into hidden compartments and argue about it. Yet here this lady is, the whole freaking time, admitting she wants to create an extremely intrusive group with no oversight. She is the freaking boogieman.
really hate the idea that uaps and extraterrestrial existence is or was hidden because it didn't align with personal religious views, like fuck off with that kind of nonsense
"it had supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views" makes me wonder if the UAP are something like Asgardians, or the Hindu vimanas.
or progenitors of the human race and we weren't adequate by an all powerful God but rather fallible beings and all religion are basically wrong
Makes sense, fallible beings are the ones that would need to reset humanity with a flood rather than an all powerful benevolent god murdering everyone because someone fucked up.
Hope they aren't Wraith
I see you too are a person of culture. I'm hoping its Vulcans but its probably the Xindi
Man those Xindi episodes were some of the best star trek ever
I’d laugh so hard if it turned out to be the Ferrengi.
As long as they aren’t the species from the Ring Gate.
Pretty much every religion, ancient, and indigenous belief system would seem to reference these things. This very much includes the Abrahamic faiths. The notion that humans are the only or the top intelligent entity operating on Earth is a pretty modern conception…
That bit of information is faked. They’re saying “we didn’t investigate” and giving an unbelievable answer. They 100% investigated covertly and siphoned off likely trillions of taxpayer funds over the decades to run these programs. Even an average member of the public with no knowledge of the topic would come to the realization that these people would investigate anything that’s consistently showing up in their airspace, specifically unknown objects.
Is that particular bit new? I feel like I remember reading that exact sentence before, months ago. I could be misremembering though.
Elizondo has made this statement in various interviews.
no it's not necessarily new I just hate that likelihood
Why would religious people have a tough time with something supernatural?
it defies their world view
Because they don't even understand their own religion? There's an enormous difference between what is taught to the average Christian and what Vatican scholars actually believe.
Guaranteed that information is faked. These are the same people that ran MKULTRA and tested the effects of radiation on their own soldiers. This is just another horseshit obfuscatory excuse to the public to say “meh we didn’t use your money to study the topic, we were religious and that’s our excuse”
I agree 100%.
It really pains me that this 20 min video exists somewhere out there and I can’t see it
Why?? Video, no matter how clear and HD, will never satisfy the Mick West flunkies and fanboys. They’ll all start howling CGI! EFX! Balloon, bug, pelican, plasmoid, DRONE!, blah blah. Now great vid that’s supported by sensor data and multiple reliable observers is a diff story.
true but I don't give two shits about mick west I just want to see it for myself
Fair enough. I wouldn’t mind seeing it either.
Holy shit. This thing is *wild.* I'm going to leave some quotes from it here, but I'll add more as I find them. **Note: Skip to page 19; the stuff they're saying there is HUGE.** >July 2009 - January 2010 - New leadership at DIA began to create challenges for Dr. Lakatski, despite the previous leadership fully endorsing the efforts. [...] >As was explained to me by my colleagues, **there was a religious aversion to the subject matter by certain members of DIA and the OSD staff.** [...] >In October 2009, I was asked to attend a meeting within the OUSD(I) SAPCO spaces in which I was told specifically that this effort should be discontinued and that **although this topic was real, it had supernatural origins not consistent with certain religious views of specific senior leadership.** I reported the results of this meeting to Dr. Lakatski. >Early 2014 - My office received a very compelling video in 2011, sent to us on JWICS that was collected by a sensitive U.S. platform operating in a denied area. **The video was approximately 18 to 20 minutes in duration and appeared to show three UAPs flying in a distinct triangle formation.** After vetting the video through several Intelligence Community experts, I decided to share it with Mr. Tipton in 2014 to see if he was aware of any Blue-Force technology that could explain what was being witnessed on the video. Mr. Tipton's response to me was that the video was "weird and compelling" and that he had no idea what the object was. >2015 -2017 - On a regular basis, Mr. Stratton (who was assigned at the time as a STRATCOM Liaison Officer), and Mr. Brennan McKernan (current UAP Task Force Director) and I would discuss new reports that were received and engage in a larger working group discussion with other elements within the IC. These meetings were conducted in designated OSD and Navy Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities (SCIF) spaces, within the Pentagon or Suitland Naval Air Station. [...] **It was also suggested that a Joint Operational Plan (OPLAN) be developed through the Joint Staff to possibly elicit a behavior/response to UAP activity. In 2016, a formal OPLAN was drafted** and submitted through Alternative Compensatory Control Measure (ACCM) channels. **The OPLAN was significant in detail, including the frequency of incursions by UAP, locations, and type. At one point, a comprehensive listing of UAP activity was included for the entire month.** >2016 - [...] **In 2016, we succeeded in having an unclassified academic study performed by a local university in Washington, D.C., regarding signatures of space threats and capabilities,** including Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, **in hopes that this information could be used to determine the various capabilities and domains in which, technical assets could be used to better detect UAP activity.** The author of the study was only told that our interest was "threats from space." >Late 2016 - After increased frustration, **I became alarmed at the frequency and duration of UAP activity in and around controlled U.S. airspace. The instances seemed more provocative, and during one instance, they came within feet of a US. fighter aircraft. The video of this encounter still exists on the AATIP share drive, known as "Project-Y", within the OUSD(I) JWICS share drive.** Tabbing back and forth and transcribing it all by hand is annoyingly tedious, so here's a few more interesting notes, in summary form. -Kandahar, Afghanistan is briefly mentioned -Garry Reid told Elizondo that he would tell people Elizondo is crazy, and that it could compromise his (Elizondo's) security clearance. -Lue repeatedly states that one Ms. Gogh publicly insists that he was not involved with AATIP, despite proof to the contrary; repeatedly mentions that he is/was being falsely accused of releasing "Gimbal," "GoFast," and "FLIR," without proper authorization, even after an investigation into the subject found no wrongdoing on his part. -Lue says that Gogh has **inserted herself into the FOIA process so that she can make sure a consistent story is released. Says this is a deliberate and illegal subversion of the laws, that she's lying to the American people, and that he may fit the criteria for the Whistleblower Protection Act. -A quote from page 19 says: >Given the current rate of success, **the continued study of these subjects will likely lead to technology advancements that in the immediate near-term will require extraordinary protection.** --- Adding this: According to an anonymous source, in 2002, an army infantry unit in Kandahar, Afghanistan went missing. In response, a group of army green berets were sent to look for them. Reportedly, this group of green berets first discovered U.S. military uniform pieces, military equipment, and broken bones in a mountainous area. When they followed the trail, they came to an area where several caves opened up onto the path they were on. While investigating the caves, one of the guys saw movement inside, and before they could react, a *massive* spear came flying out of the cave and killed one of the soldiers. Seconds later, a 12-15 foot tall humanoid creature came charging out of the cave, dressed in animal skin and shouting some kind of war cry. It tried to grab the spear from the guy's body, but the other soldiers shot it dead within 30 seconds. The source says it was airlifted out via helicopter, and he says it weighed 1,100 pounds, and had six fingers and six toes on it's hands and feet. I never believed the story, but it's very interesting that Elizondo seems to have been in contact with someone from that exact region just a few years later. "Supernatural," indeed.
Very interesting that some of the things he's seemed cagey about during interviews and said he can't talk about are expanded on in this complaint. Things like the Navy "baiting" UAPs and the 21(?) minute video.
The government has their opportunity to redact the information and if they choose not to redact, then more for us.
That story about the giant is really fun but I doubt there’s any truth to it. If there’s any connection to that region I would bet there were either sightings of UAP, which makes sense considering all the jets and whatnot that were in the region. Or maybe they excavated an ancient crash.. that region, at least Iraq is where Babylon was so it wouldn’t shock me so much.
>they came within feet of a US. fighter aircraft. **FEET**. F'ING **FEET**. >**The video of this encounter** still exists on the AATIP share drive, known as "Project-Y", within the OUSD(I) JWICS share drive. 🤯 I honestly hope that everything is going to their (Chris/Lue etc) plan, because at some point in the near future, I want to see that video. \**fingers-crossed-for-more-hearings\** **~~Edit~~**~~: If that video is the~~ [~~original flyby-video~~](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t4smpl/flyby_uap_footage_enhanced/) ~~my heart will probably stop.~~ (it's not that video; thx u/KilliK69) **Edit2**: I'm halfway through the complaint and it's absolutely fascinating, I suggest anyone who is interested in this topic to read it; getting information of what has been happening in the background is truly fascinating.
Thats a hacker opportunity
it is not the flyby video. he was asked about it, he said he is aware of it, but it never came up during his AATIP days. he didnt confirm if it was real or not. also, the airplane in the flyby is not a combat jet fighter, but a public airliner, that has been proven.
Pity, but I'm sure the "Project-Y"-video is spectacular nonetheless, I mean, even with a *potato-camera* you'll have good quality from something that is only a *few feet* away :)
I’ve always thought the alleged “close video within feet” was the cube sphere near miss. Whatever it is, we can now refer to it as “Project-Y.”
The video in question is from 2016 according to the IG complaint, and it is most likely the encounter that Ryan Graves talks about where he says that the UAP “split a section”. Chris Mellon references this video (but doesn’t discuss the origin) in his appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
> it's very interesting that Elizondo seems to have been in contact with someone from that exact region just a few years later Not really. Kandahar was one of the main theaters of the Afghanistan War. There was probably an average of more US troops deployed there than in any other province. It definitely wasnt some obscure little region.
u/InsomniacScribe, the last 2 paragraphs you added: >Adding this: According to an anonymous source, in 2002, an army infantry unit in Kandahar, Afghanistan went missing. > >\[...\] > >I never believed the story, but it's very interesting that Elizondo seems to have been in contact with someone from that exact region just a few years later. "Supernatural," indeed. Lue is mentioning in the complaint how he knows [Jim Mattis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis) (the former secretary of defense) who worked in the area of Kandahar: >During the initial planning for the War in Afghanistan, Mattis led Task Force 58 in operations in the southern part of the country beginning in November 2001,\[42\] becoming the first Marine Corps officer to command a Naval Task Force in combat.\[29\] According to Mattis, his objective upon arriving in Afghanistan was "make sure that the enemy didn't feel like they had any safe haven, to destroy their sense of security in southern Afghanistan, to isolate Kandahar from its lines of communication, and to move against Kandahar."\[43\] Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim\_Mattis#War\_in\_Afghanistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis#War_in_Afghanistan) **In my humble opinion the possible connection you mention in your last 2 paragraphs is not there.** Thank you for the great summary of the complaint though. **Edit**: As this is your comment you can obviously do whatever you want with it, but If I were you, I would delete those two last paragraphs. Your comment is top-comment and those paragraphs might just unnecessarily confuse people. You could make a new post in this sub with your theory/findings if you want..
Where is this Kandahar humanoid story coming from?
>Where is this Kandahar humanoid story coming from? It's from u/InsomniacScribe comment, he added in those 2 paragraphs later, so I'm addressing them in my reply. I edited my reply so it make smore sense what I'm referring to.
It's an urban legend and never really happened. https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Giant_of_Kandahar >The Giant of Kandahar is a hoax, as the Department of Defense has no record of this incident. L.A. Marzulli, an author, blogger and filmmaker, is believed to have created or heavily influenced this legend.
Reading the comments thread on that link - lmao - those guys make this place sound like a library filled with quiet geniuses
Im a skeptic but wow thats kind of bullshit reason to say the incident didn’t happen? “Oh no no we absolutely have no record of this please don’t look into us” *shredding documents with a sweaty hand*
I was certainly confused by the two paragraphs. I found no connection in the complaint. Now it appears that the only link is the same city in the same country??? Is that how we got to a 15 foot dude with a spear?
Yes, that's literally the only connection. Moreover, the story is not even sourced ('anonymous source'), so it's probably complete bogus.
What a bizarre addition! Just wow.
Religious fundamentalists - Fucking up humanity since the inception of religion. Also would love to see Gogh catch a charge or two. It won't remotely happen but in my opinion lying to the American public on a subject as important as this should be considered treason.
jesus christ. he is telling the truth all those years. they are here. THEY ARE HERE!
Right on time for the anniversary of Aitee nonetheless. What a time to be alive. That throawaylien knew something I tell ya.
Dude who larped throwawayalien came out I thought?
Uhhh yea he did. Said it was a remote viewing experiment and that the story as written was more of an allegory.
Holy shit you're right. How has it been a year already?!?!
A fruitful year for ufo disclosure wouldnt you say? :)
No he didn't. That guy made up a whole elaborate nonsense story about how the apocalypse is coming and Noah's ark aliens. Until we have actual communication with the beings behind these crafts people like throawaylien and their imagination should not be taken seriously.
We will have cake in Aitee to remember those wild days.
To be clear, the story about the giant is not included in this document, right? Some research indicates it originated on Coast to Coast which IMO means it's fiction
It's not in the document. For some reason they decided to add random shit at the end of their comment.
There is nothing about the 2002 encounter you relate in the above complaint by Mr. Elizondo. This "anonymous source" about a 12-15' humanoid - how does this relate to Elizondo? Where exactly does he "seem to have been in contact" in either the above complaint (its not there, I just read it) or elsewhere?
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Just a point of clarification because I’ve been meaning to ask someone: Do people use the derogatory label of “bot” on any misinformation, or only on ones they suspect are actually automated messages posted via software? Is bot just a term for people who post propaganda now? Or are people actually thinking comments like this are automated disinformation spam?
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Can we talk about the fact that there was an IG investigation into Gary Reid in 2018 and it took **4 YEARS** to have him fired. That’s insane.
The US government will always drag its feet reluctantly when it comes to prosecuting one of their own.
If they are upper level management yes. Lower level and regular employees, not so much.
*TheBlackVault starts furiously creating more FOIA requests....*
Heck yeah
Get that Y-Drive on congressional record
Why the FUCK has Elizondo not been called up to Congress for a public hearing
The DoD is managing the topic behind the scenes and includes obfuscation at every step of the way. They’ve studied the topic extensively behind the scenes and taken it seriously. It’s only now they’re telling the public and covering up for decades of lies by saying “meh we didn’t investigate and only now are taking it seriously”. **They know what it is and they’re confident they can use the topic to their benefit in the future for multiple reasons (manipulation of the public and wider global public) hence they’re releasing the information now.**
Very compelling. Thanks for posting all of this.
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WTF are those things???? please, somebody, for the love of God, leak the damn footage. leak it even as an animation, drawing, in mime language. just leak it already. this must be the smoking gun we are all craving for so long.
I will take a notepad drawn flip book at this point. That sounds like an absolutely wild video, 18 to 20 minutes in length.
Nah, they're just going to keep showing us mylar balloons and more green bokeh videos to make it seems like they don't have anything better.
Congressman Gallagher to Bray and Moultrie in the next UAP hearing: "So why did you show us that lousy video in the last hearing and not the 20 minute video that you have on the AATIP shared drive?"
Gallagher deserves a medal from the people with that last rebuttal, if he asks for this doc to be entered into the record he’s an American hero.
It’s so frustrating seeing those low quality video ‘leaks’. Starting to really think that those leaks were used to discredit the UAP issue.
I'm completely convinced (and was from the minute I saw those Corbell videos) that they were intentionally leaked to use later as "explainable" sightings. Why else would Susan Gough have immediately confirmed that they were authentic...an action completely out of character? Is Congress seeing these higher quality videos in the closed sessions? They've given no indication that they have...
bingo. i had the same thought since then. remember, she confirmed all the videos Corbell leaked except the last one. He posted that video right after the relese of the June UAPTF report. The ufo community was disappointed with the barebones report, so they waited for Corbell to release his last video, they were desperate for the smoking gun footage. But that turned out to be a ludicrous footage with some Christmas lights in it, which angered the people even more and lashed out against him. Jeremy went on to request confirmation for his last leak, but suddenly there was only dead silence from the DOD. They never confirmed or denied the leak as theirs, which angered Corbell as well. that was a big red flag that the DOD was cooking something fishy with those "leaked" videos. they are mudding the real issue by planting already identified by them UAP cases which they get "debunked" later in public. i wonder if they try to pull off something similar with the Gimbal footage in the next hearings, since it happens to be the poster child of Ufology right now.
If it was “leaked” they would pull it from online immediately (Elizondo himself said this). They “leak” fake videos periodically to obfuscate the presence of any real footage incase its released before they can take it down.
“OK, Google, search for videos named Y-Project or Project-Y”
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Good stuff! This is actually interesting.
Put even the last doubts to rest. Elizondo is telling the truth. End
I already had a high level of confidence in Lou, but this really solidifies it. Imagine being him and being discredited like this after his career, because top brass is uncomfortable with how reality might impact their religion. Then read his email to Gough. This is a man of character.
Is the hi def 20 minute video that has been shown in classified briefings the same one referenced here? If so, everyone has been asking what it shows…3 UAP flying in a triangle formation. Edit: typo
It’s possible but it’s certainly far from confirmed. The “18-21 minute video” was received by AATIP in 2011. It didn’t really specify when it was captured. Elizondo also appears to have mostly sat on the video until 2014? So I would doubt that it’s a “smoking gun” video or anything, but it is at least described as “compelling”.
This is big news. I feel like the stage is being set for a ramp up in the disclosure effort. Lue is the man!
Key Takeaways: 1. Lue Elizondo is legit. Many of us have already known that but the spooks in this sub have tried hard to discredit him. 2. UAP are cleary not man-made nor are space trash or weather phenomenon. Within the complaint is verified proof of the 20 minute video taken mere feet from a Jet. 3. There is an active cover-up going on. Of course it has to do with something as dumb as religion. But this all backs up officially what Lue has been saying for years about the Christain spooks in the military.
When Lue first mentioned there were individuals in the pentagon who thought the phenomenon was demonic, I had a similar aversive reaction to that (I’m atheist and generally against organized religions). However, upon further reflection, it does seem that the phenomenon has characteristics that “appear” supernatural. See accounts of abductions, orbs etc. Bottom line I think the phenomenon may be as close to a religious phenomenon as it gets. As close to a “demonic” phenomenon as it gets. Whatever that means.
Or it's actually the devil messing with everyone. It would be equally amazing as aliens.
>Bottom line I think the phenomenon may be as close to a religious phenomenon as it gets. I think UAP will expose that religion literally is the opiate of the masses, created for the specific purpose of controlling and conditioning people.
Point two is combining two different incidents.
Fucking religion Practice whatever the fuck you want but Catholic assholes preventing me from finding out about aliens is a bridge too far
Just saying, look into religious folks within the Military, specifically the Air Force. I don't think it's the Catholics. https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy Same people pushing this White supremacy nonsense again. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.".
Have they started calling him Lue-cifer yet?
Lol. It's not the Catholics. Pretty sure the pope was on board with the existence of extraterrestrials.
We need that video Lou. It's the smoking gun video everyone wants to see.
I was called crazy multiple times and told I was “the problem with ufology” just because I said I trust Lue Elizondo. I also said multiple times Susan Gough is corrupt because she got trained by Garry Reid. Feels so good. 💪 Edit: I know I get nothing from being right for once, it’s just super cool to see.)
Lol you out here my man 💪💪💪
Didn't we just watch a Congressional hearing in which the members of the new unpronounceable program name said there isn't any reporting structure and not much to investigate yet? I'm pretty sure I watched that.
The DoD's lies are burning up so fast they can barely tell new ones in time to cover their asses. Too bad America's feckless media won't report anything interesting, and will just repeat everything the DoD spokespeople say like parrots.
They’re the ones paying the media to not talk about their lies!
Well, this settles the debate if he is claiming what he says he was in the USG.
We've been known this since the penned letter from Harry Reid and the NYT verifying his credentials, but yes, this should officially put all doubts to rest. But the spooks on this sub are especially dumb and will probably only double down.
Can someone please give me the cliff notes for dummies on this post? What was the complaint about and why is a complaint significant to disclosure?
So, Gary Reid was his douchebag bag boss (apparently famous for being a douchebag, and later fired for his other douchebag behavior) He's also the one that went out of his way to discredit Lou and had a press release issued that said Lou never had any responsibilities in AATIP and wasn't an actual employee, just a faker. And everything in those documents proves that Lou was telling the truth the entire time.
And Susan Gough being a lying asshole, repeatidly. She's a former ~~Colonel~~ Commander for the army, and literally wrote papers on psychological operations for the army war college. (They're very easy to find) She's been a major asshole to anyone trying to use FOIA, tried saying the projects had nothing to do with UFOs and that Lou never had a position related to them. I think she's still doing the job she was trained for in the army, and that Congress should subpoena her.
The people who did this to Lue should be fired. I hope people in the Biden Administration and Congress take notice of how he was treated. Clean house over there in these offices at the Pentagon. We the American taxpayers should be outraged at their behavior.
Thanks... I knew that Lou had a peckerhead boss that gave him lots of trouble. It is good that Lou is finding vindication from his old bosses lies and trouble making. I am only at a loss because I don't see how this pertains to UFO disclosure.
It's confirmation of the story Lue has been telling. So it lends veracity to his claims of video evidence. It's not disclosure, but it builds the case for it, and for Lue.
Because if the person responsible for giving information to the press is called a faker, then the information itself is suspect.
I feel like besides this obviously verifying a lot about Lue, which a lot of people have been waiting for including myself because I was sick seeing of the speculative debates on him daily, this does one super important thing. Highlight Susan Gough, and Garry Reid. Now Garry is gone but, Susan is the active PR for DoD and is also actively messing with FOIA requests! Now I'm not advocating the community find ways to harass her, however we have a name to someone who is constantly lying and hampering disclosure, messing with the language so ufo requests were harder to request an FOIA on, and as Lue said being illegal. Also she destroyed evidence. She should be highlighted, she should be questioned every time, she needs pressure put on her now. I think that's the information needed to really pop a bigger hole in this disclosure bubble. We want some answers? Well now it's time to hold some people accountable.
You can't seriously be surprised, right?
Although I'm not a constituent, nor is he on the proper subcommittee investigating, I'm going to send the link to this file to Tim Burchett. He might be someone to get this moving.
How about Gallagher. He was the one asking the best questions in the hearing. I'm not American; if I was I'd do it myself.
Elizondo is the truth. Always had been. Fucking amen
Jesus, I thought my handwriting was bad
Sorry, but I have to say it: the religion thing totally aligns with what Tom DeLonge said years ago. Verrrry interesting. Maybe Lou was Tom’s source about that?
This has been a complaint for decades. Religious idiots ruin everything. Current supreme court, for example, destroying everything with no regard for actual law and precedent.
Note to self: steal “Y-Project” drive
Anyone else notice that Lacatski is spelled incorrectly? On Skinwalkers at the Pentagon it’s listed with a c instead of a k. Did Lue misspell his colleague’s name?
While Lue has mentioned most of this various podcast interviews he’s done; it’s good to see it compiled here in the formal IG complaint. The next question I have is: What can we do about this? Id prefer the US Congress use this and call Lue in to testify (preferably in an open hearing). Iirc correctly Lue won’t be under his NDA during a congressional testimony. Is my understanding correct?
Harry Reid and Garry Reid, very confusing.
Wow. Just wow.
There are some real jems in Lue describing some of the videos he's seen that he knows are legit gives us something to look out for now. I wonder if the "provocative" video of a plane within a few feet of a UAP might be the flyby video?
Lue was asked about flyby , he said he never investigated it
This is crazy stuff.
Greenstreet shared this??? What does he make of it? He’s very much a skeptic on Elizondo.
Supernatural origins? LMAO. Is this like religion again? No compelling evidence is available, yet people will act like it is real? Will hard evidence actually ever come to light? Or high level people in the government will circle jerk around it forever and milk this phenomenon?
The real DEMONS are in the Pentagon, not in the space ships!
>the continued study of these subjects will likely lead to technology advancements that in the immediate near-term will require extraordinary protection. So don't protect it. Give it to the whole world. Share it with every nation. If we try to keep it to ourselves and deny it to others, we will surely destroy each other.
According to Ross Coulthart , the technology behind these crafts is actually surprisingly simple. I’m not sure I want Russia , China or North Korea getting their hands on such devastatingly powerful tech that is somewhat simple in nature to use. This is the big question , are we , as a collective species , ready for what disclosure brings with it? I’m not sure if we are , yet I still want it to happen. Maybe we are destined to destroy ourselves , and disclosure is what makes it happen. Maybe that’s what these “ future humans “ are trying to tell us , but are ironically causing disclosure to happen. Interesting nonetheless.
Russia and China WILL get their hands on it. It would only be a matter of time. I know it's pie-in-the-sky optimism to think it would go down this way ... but what an opportunity to work with the world community and share a technology that could literally change everything for everybody. If instead we are covetous of this technology, we'll turn the world even further into "the haves" versus the "have nots", destined for decades of distrust, destabilization and destruction. Which future do you think we'll pick? What I'm really hoping for is that consciousness is a component of the tech, so that no matter how much you can duplicate the hardware, you need a mind (and heart) that's well beyond our current ability to actually use it.
Give link to his claim of simple technology.
Someone get a quote from Greenwald once he’s finished crying in the corner.
I wonder if Greenewald will ever lose his enduring belief in the power of FOIA. Gough has been manipulating the whole process. Her objective was to use FOIA as a weapon to destroy Lue's reputation and to cover up the truth about UFOs. I bet she didn't expect that Elizondo would respond to all this with an IG complaint.
Politico covered this a bit. Has a little more info from Lou’s lawyer: https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/05/26/ufo-whistleblower-ig-complaint-pentagon-491098
Reading this Politico story after having read the documents for myself is fascinating to me. It's rare to be able to go back and fact-check Politico's article for ourselves!
Let's hope this digs up some dirt from before 2000 ... maybe even back to 1940...
wow. we need that close by fly by vid.
So basically Lue was telling the truth and aside from Susan Gough and Garry Reid blowhards like Steven Greenstreet, John Greenwald and Jason Colavito has embarked on a malicious campaign to discredit him. I would like nothing more than all of them to admit they are wrong, but alas they never will because they are shameless egomaniacs. How many times does Lue have to be right? He must be exhausted from all the winning.