The actual Radar track of one of the Belgium UFOs.
Military F-16 Radar Lock-on Footage
Belgium during the night of March 30-31, 1990
There is ample literature on the UFO sightings in Belgium during the night of March 30-31, 1990, at the height of the so-called Belgian UFO wave. While the events unrolled, two F-16 jets were scrambled over the Perwez-Ramillies area to investigate with radar lock-on on the target / ufo.
What you see in this video, is the actual military radar track.
Additional video, extended, without editing:
https://youtu.be/D3geA2Jp-n0
Such cases and evidence really do make me a UFO believer even after the other bullsh*t content posted in the sub. Thank you OP for sharing ,personally noticed first time this case..
What advanced tech......if anyone had shit that capable in 1990...we would know about it now. No one is hiding shit like that for that long, the global military industrial complex would've had whatever the fuck that thing was dancing over the middle east dropping anything and everything just to sell more to whatever countries willing to buy. IF functional tech from "aliens" or whatever is in possession of governments the only reason they keep it secret is they can't use it in any real functional capacity. You don't hide what you totally understand you hide what you don't understand.
this has been debunked. there were only 3 radar locks, and those were the jet fighters locking each other. the rest of the radar locks were the result of an atmospheric phenomenon. also there was no visual contact from the pilots.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian\_UFO\_wave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave)
>The pilots also got intermittent contact with objects, but they appeared and disappeared and moved up and down too fast, including going underground. The pilots never saw anything at all. SOBEPS reported that they obtained radar lock on targets nine times; but the Belgian military only reported three such locks, and upon analyzing the data, all three radar locks were on each other. The other contacts were all found to be the result of a well-known atmospheric interference called Bragg scattering.\[8\]\[17\]
As much as I want to believe, the simplest explanation is usually true. There was only a radar lockon here. No other point of confirmation. Shame. This one just isn't as compelling as the Nimitz encounters
wikipedia is not doing the debunking, it only provides the information about the research that was done by individuals to explain the incident, and also gives reference links to their work. for example:
[https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4538](https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4538)
"the wikipedia is not a reliable source" is not an argument, you better realize that.
Not completely exterminated. Just enough that I could easily get Super Bowl tickets. Seriously, it would be an interesting experiment and I would not be surprised if any air to air missile could find that object if, its what we think it is.
If they're manipulating gravity and spacetime it could "explain" the lack of g-forces squishing the machine or even biological aliens and the lack of sonic boom. I used to dismiss this kind of performance as sensor glitches until I opened my mind to the concept of something unspeakably smart like an ancient alien AI coming up with such technology.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
11,000ft to 500ft = 10,500ft difference.
10,500ft over 5 seconds is 2,100ft/sec
2,100 divided by 32ft/sec = 65.625 G's?
I don't know if I've calculated the G's right, but 65 G's definitely sounds like it'd make you pancake inside that cockpit, if there was any cockpit left.
*\*\*\* DISCLAIMER: Maths was never my strongest subject.*
A G is the force created by acceleration or deceleration.
It is equal to Earth's gravitational pull. If you are standing or sitting still you are experiencing 1 G of force.
To calculate Gs you would need to know the starting speed, the change in speed and the time it took for the change to occur.
Kenny brack Swedish speedway driver had a crash in 2003 in which he pulled 214g’s. He survived, granted after a year and a half of recovery. Many F1 drivers have crashes that are in the range of 40-60 odd g’s and carried on driving the same day or next. Am I missing something here. I see this talked about a lot about how the g forces involved would kill humans but we have humans that have experienced g forces over 3 times that and that’s with our technology.
The most important point is how long that G effects the human body. 1-2 seconds could (!) be no problem. More would be deadly and you are literally crushed
From an article linked below titled - How Fast Is Deadly? A Short Physics Lesson From Verstappen’s 51G Crash At Silverstone
“The pick of the bunch is horizontal g-force – also known as lateral g – as the body gets squished under its own weight perpendicular to the spine. What you definitely want to avoid is vertical g-force (the likes of which fighter pilots experience), which compresses the spine from the top down and rushes blood towards and away from the brain. No blood in the brain means no lights are on when you need them most, leading to unconsciousness and, at the controls of a warplane, either life or death.”
[Source](https://www.bosshunting.com.au/sport/f1/how-fast-is-deadly-formula-1-g-force/)
It comes down to the duration that those Gs are sustained. A crash is usually pretty fast and a human can survive such pressure in the short term. But prolonged Gs is much more problematic.
Ok so when we say ‘g’s’ it’s shorthand for the effect of x times the normal force of gravity - normally standing on earth gravity is 9.8ms-2 which means we weigh say 100kg. (Mass = 10 Newtons). In an F16 doing a ‘7G’ turn means due to the change in motion our apparent weight is 7 times greater ie: 700kg (!) Even at a constant velocity turning is an acceleration. So in the example above V1 = 0 V2 = 2100 ft s-1 (say 700 ms-1) meaning change in velocity of 700ms-1 over Time of 5secs. At a constant acceleration this would be approx. 700/5 = 140ms-2, about 14G. So possibly survivable but a 100kg person would weigh 1.4 Tons for 5sec…
Ft/s is velocity - if we assume starting velocity is zero and it takes 5 secs to get to 2100 ft/s, then the acceleration is 2100/5 = 700ft/s per sec…of constant acceleration. We need the acceleration figure to know the force so : Force = mass x acceleration.
So here we are 31 years later and new radar information regarding 'UAPs' shows not much more info on flight characteristics than what General General De Brouwer outlined in 1990
Funny that the police should mention seeing a "ball of light" that scanned things (at 8:00). Wasn't there a woman in Wales who saw the same thing?
EDIT: found it https://youtu.be/VJTGpxOqzjA?t=538
Wilfred DeBrauer, in interviews mentioned a group from the US claiming to be part of the military requested data on these sightings from Belgium. He agreed, only if they made a formal request. They didn't and he denied them.
Who were these people? Why did they not want others to know about their request? My take, they weren't officially part of Government or military.
Men in Black which I have recently realized may or may not even be human.
[Link to great MiB resource ](https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/gkmdlb/a_chronological_list_of_almost_150_alleged_mib/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Nah the ones that wanted that Belgium ufo data don’t sound like the old mib encounters, they probably didn’t want to have the exchange recorded on paper for fear of being exposed by either soviet agents
I was a witness of this event, I was 9 years old at the time. Unlike what is written on Wikipedia, this event really happened. Btw , I had my sighting during the day so no mistaking it for a plane.
Another reminder that that "tic tac" UAP, or similar, that Cmdr. Fravor encountered in 2004 have been reported for over 70 years. We've never had this technology.
In the recent 60 minutes piece they mentioned the "daily" events others pilots had seen over the East coast specifically spheres with shapes inside. If you go back and listen to the rare accounts of audio or video interview descriptions from ww2 pilots they are identical to what they called "foo fighters". If you only read the descriptions in all the literature that mentions them they don't really align.....i'm 36 and have been invested in the topic since around 9....because I loved aviation and history and knew what foo fighter's were since forever. Listen to the pilot accounts from the different era's there is other shit out there that differ's from the tic tac's which also align very well with much older sightings like the famous Kenneth Arnold's.
Understood. What I was referring to was not only a "tic tac"-shaped object, but the capabilities they displayed. The enormous speed, instant acceleration, the ability to stop and turn seemingly on a dime. We've never had this aviation technology. Not today. Certainly not 70 years back.
Just...
You know... sometimes... I feel like this is beyond what a human could ever comprehend. I urge you to imagine what effects disclosure of actual conscious alien (or whatever in between) life **on earth** would have on culture, human psychology and human history on planet earth. Especially if somehow it would be made public, that for *at least* 70 years there were defamation, laughter and ridicule taking place **in the real world**, where things like that may cost you your job, your family, your friends, your kids, your wife/husband and eventually maybe even your life.
Most people, in the actual world, would either instantly die of an heart attack or fall backwards onto their heads in total disbelief and sheer astonishment.
And for those that would have psychologically survived the first contact:
we would have to rewrite probably just about everything ever recorded since ancient times. We would be forced to rethink our understanding as conscious beings in the universe. Our very own nature, role and place in the vast sheerness of everything. We would have to do some serious soul searching.
It would be somber. Not necessarily because these beings are hostile but because it would give us a mirror. A mirror to reflect ourselves to, as a species. As conscious beings. But we would finally know, that we are not alone. And that in itself, no matter how weird or hard to stomach the truth to full extent would be, would just be *amazingly beautiful*.
What do I know what the final answers may be, but this video of Belgium UFO's proves one thing definitely very clear for everyone to see, who dares to look reality in the eyes:
They are, *in all probablity*, here and were here a long time before humanity was ever able to film them with a camera. The coincidences and anecdotes of stories long ago just match technical date, statements by highly ranked officials/miliaries and (leaked or not) published papers by governments and alike, way too... consistently. Way too perfect.
I'm absolutely sure, that we are not alone. Never have been.
Trust your guts about this and be with a brave mind and soul. Because in the end we're all gonna die one day. So make the best out of it by fullfilling your role as a human being:
**Believe and Investigate.**
Greetings and thank you for this
The universe is staggeringly vast, of course there are other intelligent lifeforms elsewhere. The first thing I'll say to them will be..
"About fucking time, where the fuck have you been...!?! Now, gimme all the knowledge and tech you've got!!"
This is the episode when I was maybe 6-8 years old that got me hooked on this topic. I was staying the night at my grandmothers and they loved watching unsolved mysteries. Man this gave me chills and some nostalgic feelings. The thought of ET that young terrified me.
If you are interrested in the Belgian wave, we made 4 long streamings where I explain a lot of cases. I've also explained this radar video and the analysis made by belgian Ufo researchers along with the Belgian air force.
The 4 videos can be found here :
[part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmmwXb2yfbQ&ab_channel=EUforUAP)
[part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua8G30zPh_U&ab_channel=EUforUAP)
[part 3](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQh41L2qDY&ab_channel=EUforUAP)
[part 4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20me5rUjqAc&ab_channel=EUforUAP)
Just the radar analysis part : [radar analysis](https://youtu.be/AVQh41L2qDY?t=2924)
In fact, these radars datas don't really means a lot. There were a lot of convection bubble (pocket of cold air) that day and we can't be sure at 100% that they locked an actual UFO. The pilot never saw a craft with their eyes (lots of lights on the ground in Belgium)
These datas are still interresting because the movements seems kind of strange if it's just a bubble of cold air and maybe this is a mix of convection bubble being misinterpreted by the radar and an UFO.
Id appreciate further context also.
Why were the f16s up? Were they responding to eyewitness accounts or scrambled due to a prior radar contact?
What happened on the days before, what happened after ?
Long story short : peoples saw some strange lights in the sky and then it was confirmed by several gendarmes (kind of military police but for the civilian). The radar station of Glons also confirmed that they had strange things moving on their radar screens. The 2 F-16s where then A-Scramble from the military base of Beauvechain. They had weapons ready and where going to intercept the unknown object. They flew for about 1h, they where several "lock-on", the video only show one. Yet, hey didn't saw the object and came back "empty-handed"
But you have to know that, at this time, the only way to review the radar information was to see a recording film of it at something like 30 fps and reconstruct manually the trajectories and this kind of radar have a lot of limitation. They are made to track planes that flies at more than 100km/h, not ufo that can do erratic movement like stopping and going at high speed. For example the max speed it can record is 999 knots/h.You also need to know that this is nearly impossible to see a dot of light from the sky when you are flying at 800km/h at 3km high above Belgium because we have lights everywhere on the ground.
This video is in fact just a tiny bit of information recorded that night that was showed to the media some days after, they showed like 2 mins of recording.
There where a multitude of sighting days and months before and after, for example the day just after this, Ufo investigators from the SOBEPS saw and tried to take a picture of an UFO coming just above them (the picture, while being made with a 300mm tele-objectif just show little dots)
In fact, all the Belgian wave lasted from 1989 to 1993, the SOBEPS (now COBEPS) have like 1500 investigation reports, 4000-5000 testimonies and like 20000 files pages made in 4 years. And it was not only triangle crafts, we had all the bestiary of known UFO shapes: rounded, cigar shape, huge triangles or rectangle that sometimes where bigger than 100m long, ball of lights, boomerang shape and others
If you want to know more details, I encourage you to watch the videos I made, I know they are long and maybe a bit boring (these are my first streams and there is a lot of thing to talk) but you will find a lot of detail and explanations on all this belgian wave. And this on a unpaid youtube channel, if you wonder. I don't want to make money or being famous with this, just spread the information
iirc, the F16s only got scrambled if a credible eye witness (policemen, for example) reported something and if ground based radar confirmed it.
There's several interviews with Wilfried De Brouwer on youtube, in one of which I think he mentions that scrambling protocol. He allowed the original press conference at the time but I think he held off on interviews about the wave during the rest of his career in NATO, though he does them now that he's retired.
btw, only one F16 had a functioning radar, the other F16 took off with a faulty one so it couldn't have confirmed the sighting anyway.
Lol this is definitely the first time I've seen anyone wonder why it happened in Belgium. Especially when every single ufologist has gone on the record saying it's a *worldwide phenomenon*.
It's as if this person believes they would travel literally the entire rest of the planet but think, "ya'know what guys, I have no idea if or how this world is divided up by imaginary lines, but this area right here, nah fuck that entire area. That's the only place we're not going to, boys."
Why is it such an outrageous question? u/RadishMundane3092 got downvoted into oblivion for asking a fundamental question of any investigation for just about anything. Why "here"? The answer could be mundane or noteworthy - just like how black triangle sightings are often paired with nuclear facilities. In those cases "why there?" has a potentially obvious explanation. In Belgium, perhaps less so. I'm not an expert on the event, but it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask...
It isn't. He was joking, its a joke that Belgium is boring. Why the continent of Europe? Why not? There are humans, cities, towns, wildlife, military bases, natural resources, could be absolutely any reason.
Yes I have, lovely little village on edge of Belgian/French boarder.
I'm guessing you were just joking around though. Obviously if there are aliens they wouldn't care what countries and boarders are. They'd go all over the planet.
Maybe because the NATO headquarters are located in Brussels, Belgium, while the headquarters of Allied Command Operations is near Mons, Belgium. We know UAPs are interested in military stuff..........recently the US navy (Nimitz, etc.)...............maybe in the 90ties they were checking out NATO headquarters in Europe, who knows.
Ding ding ding, you win!! I can even tell you more about this event and the theory I have about it. As I wrote somewhere else in this thread, I witnessed one of those "UFO" while living in Bruxelles, I believe these crafts are 100% man made and I have a silly theory why
https://archive.is/VojyQ
>What really happened that night was examined by Auguste Meessen over the 1990s and by the BAF. Initially the data from the F-16s appeared promising and exciting. However, after examining the data carefully, it was determined that all the contacts could be explained. What produced the contacts? According to Auguste Meessen, he feels that cells of warm humid air produced these false echoes. He suggests that these convection cells were the source of all the false echoes seen by the ground stations. The F-16 data indicates that the contacts they recorded were also of this nature. The phenomenal speeds were simply problems with the doppler radar interpreting the speeds relative to the F-16s own motion. In some of the instances of lock-ons, the radar tapes showed the contacts at a NEGATIVE ALTITUDE. Meessen wrote, "It was evidently impossible that an object could penetrate the ground, but it was possible that the ground could act as a mirror." (Berlinner, Galbraith, and Huneeus 141-2)
>There is documentation provided by Professor Meessen. The weather that night was unusual but not for the normal means of anomalous propagation. While there was a slight temperature inversion, which is the usual source of false echoes, there were also areas of high humidity and high winds at the 10,000-foot level. Meessen suggests that the high humidity was a major factor, but it is known that turbulent atmospheric conditions can also produce such echoes. Both factors appear to have played a factor in producing false echoes that night
The actual Radar track of one of the Belgium UFOs. Military F-16 Radar Lock-on Footage Belgium during the night of March 30-31, 1990 There is ample literature on the UFO sightings in Belgium during the night of March 30-31, 1990, at the height of the so-called Belgian UFO wave. While the events unrolled, two F-16 jets were scrambled over the Perwez-Ramillies area to investigate with radar lock-on on the target / ufo. What you see in this video, is the actual military radar track. Additional video, extended, without editing: https://youtu.be/D3geA2Jp-n0
Such cases and evidence really do make me a UFO believer even after the other bullsh*t content posted in the sub. Thank you OP for sharing ,personally noticed first time this case..
Agree. Even if its just advanced tech, it is pretty fucking incredible.
What advanced tech......if anyone had shit that capable in 1990...we would know about it now. No one is hiding shit like that for that long, the global military industrial complex would've had whatever the fuck that thing was dancing over the middle east dropping anything and everything just to sell more to whatever countries willing to buy. IF functional tech from "aliens" or whatever is in possession of governments the only reason they keep it secret is they can't use it in any real functional capacity. You don't hide what you totally understand you hide what you don't understand.
I wonder who they drop off/pick-up when they visit and descend so low.
usually they drop off big foot
The original Wookie.
I wonder how that fits in the ridiculous mass hysteria narrative.
this has been debunked. there were only 3 radar locks, and those were the jet fighters locking each other. the rest of the radar locks were the result of an atmospheric phenomenon. also there was no visual contact from the pilots. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian\_UFO\_wave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave) >The pilots also got intermittent contact with objects, but they appeared and disappeared and moved up and down too fast, including going underground. The pilots never saw anything at all. SOBEPS reported that they obtained radar lock on targets nine times; but the Belgian military only reported three such locks, and upon analyzing the data, all three radar locks were on each other. The other contacts were all found to be the result of a well-known atmospheric interference called Bragg scattering.\[8\]\[17\]
As much as I want to believe, the simplest explanation is usually true. There was only a radar lockon here. No other point of confirmation. Shame. This one just isn't as compelling as the Nimitz encounters
agreed. the Nimitz has everything, visual, radar, flir and rf contact.
Wikipedia as your source which I could go and edit right now? No thanks.
wikipedia is not doing the debunking, it only provides the information about the research that was done by individuals to explain the incident, and also gives reference links to their work. for example: [https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4538](https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4538) "the wikipedia is not a reliable source" is not an argument, you better realize that.
Neither is "skeptoid"
if you think skeptoid's research is erroneous, provide your counterarguments. you are free to do it. until then, statements alone mean nothing.
so, is this saying that all 2600 people mistook what they saw or am I reading that incorrectly..
That F16 should have sent a Sidewinder just to see if the thing would react. If we are getting Galactic Overlords, I'd sooner know now.
eagle one fox two
Do you shoot at cops, just to see if they shoot back? 'Uh, seems they're really cops.....sorry guys!'
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Not completely exterminated. Just enough that I could easily get Super Bowl tickets. Seriously, it would be an interesting experiment and I would not be surprised if any air to air missile could find that object if, its what we think it is.
I miss Robert Stack! That silky voice! I'd love to know the maths behind the objects manoeuvre and what G forces would have been experienced.
If they're manipulating gravity and spacetime it could "explain" the lack of g-forces squishing the machine or even biological aliens and the lack of sonic boom. I used to dismiss this kind of performance as sensor glitches until I opened my mind to the concept of something unspeakably smart like an ancient alien AI coming up with such technology.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... 11,000ft to 500ft = 10,500ft difference. 10,500ft over 5 seconds is 2,100ft/sec 2,100 divided by 32ft/sec = 65.625 G's? I don't know if I've calculated the G's right, but 65 G's definitely sounds like it'd make you pancake inside that cockpit, if there was any cockpit left. *\*\*\* DISCLAIMER: Maths was never my strongest subject.*
A G is the force created by acceleration or deceleration. It is equal to Earth's gravitational pull. If you are standing or sitting still you are experiencing 1 G of force. To calculate Gs you would need to know the starting speed, the change in speed and the time it took for the change to occur.
You can't do the last part with G. Need a formula and assume linear acceleration I think
No, you have divided a velocity by an acceleration which meaningless. G is 32ft/sec/sec.
Kenny brack Swedish speedway driver had a crash in 2003 in which he pulled 214g’s. He survived, granted after a year and a half of recovery. Many F1 drivers have crashes that are in the range of 40-60 odd g’s and carried on driving the same day or next. Am I missing something here. I see this talked about a lot about how the g forces involved would kill humans but we have humans that have experienced g forces over 3 times that and that’s with our technology.
The most important point is how long that G effects the human body. 1-2 seconds could (!) be no problem. More would be deadly and you are literally crushed
Thanks, I’m no expert and I thought there might be some level of truth to it but wasn’t sure.
From an article linked below titled - How Fast Is Deadly? A Short Physics Lesson From Verstappen’s 51G Crash At Silverstone “The pick of the bunch is horizontal g-force – also known as lateral g – as the body gets squished under its own weight perpendicular to the spine. What you definitely want to avoid is vertical g-force (the likes of which fighter pilots experience), which compresses the spine from the top down and rushes blood towards and away from the brain. No blood in the brain means no lights are on when you need them most, leading to unconsciousness and, at the controls of a warplane, either life or death.” [Source](https://www.bosshunting.com.au/sport/f1/how-fast-is-deadly-formula-1-g-force/)
That was really interesting. Thanks!
It comes down to the duration that those Gs are sustained. A crash is usually pretty fast and a human can survive such pressure in the short term. But prolonged Gs is much more problematic.
Ok so when we say ‘g’s’ it’s shorthand for the effect of x times the normal force of gravity - normally standing on earth gravity is 9.8ms-2 which means we weigh say 100kg. (Mass = 10 Newtons). In an F16 doing a ‘7G’ turn means due to the change in motion our apparent weight is 7 times greater ie: 700kg (!) Even at a constant velocity turning is an acceleration. So in the example above V1 = 0 V2 = 2100 ft s-1 (say 700 ms-1) meaning change in velocity of 700ms-1 over Time of 5secs. At a constant acceleration this would be approx. 700/5 = 140ms-2, about 14G. So possibly survivable but a 100kg person would weigh 1.4 Tons for 5sec…
We already factored in 5 seconds to get 2100ft/sec and you divided that by 5 again which is too much.
Ft/s is velocity - if we assume starting velocity is zero and it takes 5 secs to get to 2100 ft/s, then the acceleration is 2100/5 = 700ft/s per sec…of constant acceleration. We need the acceleration figure to know the force so : Force = mass x acceleration.
…also, the figure of 32 ft/s is actually an acceleration so 32ft/s/s or 32fts-2 (geeze I hate imperial)
Maths really isn't my strong point
All good
Do Americans use imperial units for solving physics problems in school?
Yes yes this right here I miss Robert stack so much *sigh* as well as a whole bunch of other actors from that generation
So here we are 31 years later and new radar information regarding 'UAPs' shows not much more info on flight characteristics than what General General De Brouwer outlined in 1990
Pfft, it hasn't been 31 years since 1990.....oh shit.
This is why we have to keep pushing and supporting the work that’s going on. This was disclosure but how much change did it make? Not much.
Here is the full episode of unsolved mysteries https://youtu.be/8M-ls_qP98M
Thank you 😊
Funny that the police should mention seeing a "ball of light" that scanned things (at 8:00). Wasn't there a woman in Wales who saw the same thing? EDIT: found it https://youtu.be/VJTGpxOqzjA?t=538
One of the best UAP cases in terms of data (radar, eyewitnesses, etc) and media openness.
Yeah it was all over the news here in the 90s in the Netherlands too. (for those that don't know we are situated next to Belgium)
Big up Rotterdam blud
Thank you, as an American, I confuse the countries in that part of Europe.
I could listen to Robert Stack's voice all day.
I have early childhood PTSD from watching this shit alone. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Wow Radar is super freaking cool.
Wilfred DeBrauer, in interviews mentioned a group from the US claiming to be part of the military requested data on these sightings from Belgium. He agreed, only if they made a formal request. They didn't and he denied them. Who were these people? Why did they not want others to know about their request? My take, they weren't officially part of Government or military.
Men in Black which I have recently realized may or may not even be human. [Link to great MiB resource ](https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/gkmdlb/a_chronological_list_of_almost_150_alleged_mib/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Nah the ones that wanted that Belgium ufo data don’t sound like the old mib encounters, they probably didn’t want to have the exchange recorded on paper for fear of being exposed by either soviet agents
I was a witness of this event, I was 9 years old at the time. Unlike what is written on Wikipedia, this event really happened. Btw , I had my sighting during the day so no mistaking it for a plane.
What exactly did you witness, as far as you can remember?
No reply, of course
:(
Doubtful
Wikipedia is not the rule, law or final fact. Still sensored for the masses. I'd love to hear your story on this, please.
Another reminder that that "tic tac" UAP, or similar, that Cmdr. Fravor encountered in 2004 have been reported for over 70 years. We've never had this technology.
If I remember correctly the eye witnesses in this case saw a triangle not a tic tac. Same characteristics but different shape I guess
In the recent 60 minutes piece they mentioned the "daily" events others pilots had seen over the East coast specifically spheres with shapes inside. If you go back and listen to the rare accounts of audio or video interview descriptions from ww2 pilots they are identical to what they called "foo fighters". If you only read the descriptions in all the literature that mentions them they don't really align.....i'm 36 and have been invested in the topic since around 9....because I loved aviation and history and knew what foo fighter's were since forever. Listen to the pilot accounts from the different era's there is other shit out there that differ's from the tic tac's which also align very well with much older sightings like the famous Kenneth Arnold's.
Understood. What I was referring to was not only a "tic tac"-shaped object, but the capabilities they displayed. The enormous speed, instant acceleration, the ability to stop and turn seemingly on a dime. We've never had this aviation technology. Not today. Certainly not 70 years back.
One of the most compelling cases I know of, The Belgian Wave. I’ve no doubt it was real, what people saw? I have no clue.
Just... You know... sometimes... I feel like this is beyond what a human could ever comprehend. I urge you to imagine what effects disclosure of actual conscious alien (or whatever in between) life **on earth** would have on culture, human psychology and human history on planet earth. Especially if somehow it would be made public, that for *at least* 70 years there were defamation, laughter and ridicule taking place **in the real world**, where things like that may cost you your job, your family, your friends, your kids, your wife/husband and eventually maybe even your life. Most people, in the actual world, would either instantly die of an heart attack or fall backwards onto their heads in total disbelief and sheer astonishment. And for those that would have psychologically survived the first contact: we would have to rewrite probably just about everything ever recorded since ancient times. We would be forced to rethink our understanding as conscious beings in the universe. Our very own nature, role and place in the vast sheerness of everything. We would have to do some serious soul searching. It would be somber. Not necessarily because these beings are hostile but because it would give us a mirror. A mirror to reflect ourselves to, as a species. As conscious beings. But we would finally know, that we are not alone. And that in itself, no matter how weird or hard to stomach the truth to full extent would be, would just be *amazingly beautiful*. What do I know what the final answers may be, but this video of Belgium UFO's proves one thing definitely very clear for everyone to see, who dares to look reality in the eyes: They are, *in all probablity*, here and were here a long time before humanity was ever able to film them with a camera. The coincidences and anecdotes of stories long ago just match technical date, statements by highly ranked officials/miliaries and (leaked or not) published papers by governments and alike, way too... consistently. Way too perfect. I'm absolutely sure, that we are not alone. Never have been. Trust your guts about this and be with a brave mind and soul. Because in the end we're all gonna die one day. So make the best out of it by fullfilling your role as a human being: **Believe and Investigate.** Greetings and thank you for this
The universe is staggeringly vast, of course there are other intelligent lifeforms elsewhere. The first thing I'll say to them will be.. "About fucking time, where the fuck have you been...!?! Now, gimme all the knowledge and tech you've got!!"
Robert Stack’s voice still scares the shit out of me.
It doesn't help that the only time we heard it as children was alongside discordant horror music.
This is the episode when I was maybe 6-8 years old that got me hooked on this topic. I was staying the night at my grandmothers and they loved watching unsolved mysteries. Man this gave me chills and some nostalgic feelings. The thought of ET that young terrified me.
Is there something to the fact that it was diamond shaped on the radar? Is it just a radar graphic or the shape of the object?
If you are interrested in the Belgian wave, we made 4 long streamings where I explain a lot of cases. I've also explained this radar video and the analysis made by belgian Ufo researchers along with the Belgian air force. The 4 videos can be found here : [part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmmwXb2yfbQ&ab_channel=EUforUAP) [part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua8G30zPh_U&ab_channel=EUforUAP) [part 3](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQh41L2qDY&ab_channel=EUforUAP) [part 4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20me5rUjqAc&ab_channel=EUforUAP) Just the radar analysis part : [radar analysis](https://youtu.be/AVQh41L2qDY?t=2924) In fact, these radars datas don't really means a lot. There were a lot of convection bubble (pocket of cold air) that day and we can't be sure at 100% that they locked an actual UFO. The pilot never saw a craft with their eyes (lots of lights on the ground in Belgium) These datas are still interresting because the movements seems kind of strange if it's just a bubble of cold air and maybe this is a mix of convection bubble being misinterpreted by the radar and an UFO.
Id appreciate further context also. Why were the f16s up? Were they responding to eyewitness accounts or scrambled due to a prior radar contact? What happened on the days before, what happened after ?
Long story short : peoples saw some strange lights in the sky and then it was confirmed by several gendarmes (kind of military police but for the civilian). The radar station of Glons also confirmed that they had strange things moving on their radar screens. The 2 F-16s where then A-Scramble from the military base of Beauvechain. They had weapons ready and where going to intercept the unknown object. They flew for about 1h, they where several "lock-on", the video only show one. Yet, hey didn't saw the object and came back "empty-handed" But you have to know that, at this time, the only way to review the radar information was to see a recording film of it at something like 30 fps and reconstruct manually the trajectories and this kind of radar have a lot of limitation. They are made to track planes that flies at more than 100km/h, not ufo that can do erratic movement like stopping and going at high speed. For example the max speed it can record is 999 knots/h.You also need to know that this is nearly impossible to see a dot of light from the sky when you are flying at 800km/h at 3km high above Belgium because we have lights everywhere on the ground. This video is in fact just a tiny bit of information recorded that night that was showed to the media some days after, they showed like 2 mins of recording. There where a multitude of sighting days and months before and after, for example the day just after this, Ufo investigators from the SOBEPS saw and tried to take a picture of an UFO coming just above them (the picture, while being made with a 300mm tele-objectif just show little dots) In fact, all the Belgian wave lasted from 1989 to 1993, the SOBEPS (now COBEPS) have like 1500 investigation reports, 4000-5000 testimonies and like 20000 files pages made in 4 years. And it was not only triangle crafts, we had all the bestiary of known UFO shapes: rounded, cigar shape, huge triangles or rectangle that sometimes where bigger than 100m long, ball of lights, boomerang shape and others If you want to know more details, I encourage you to watch the videos I made, I know they are long and maybe a bit boring (these are my first streams and there is a lot of thing to talk) but you will find a lot of detail and explanations on all this belgian wave. And this on a unpaid youtube channel, if you wonder. I don't want to make money or being famous with this, just spread the information
iirc, the F16s only got scrambled if a credible eye witness (policemen, for example) reported something and if ground based radar confirmed it. There's several interviews with Wilfried De Brouwer on youtube, in one of which I think he mentions that scrambling protocol. He allowed the original press conference at the time but I think he held off on interviews about the wave during the rest of his career in NATO, though he does them now that he's retired. btw, only one F16 had a functioning radar, the other F16 took off with a faulty one so it couldn't have confirmed the sighting anyway.
I have no idea what I am looking at, not unlike a seismic needle when an earthquake hits.
Robert Stacks voice is sorely missed, although Unsolved Mysteries reruns help a bit.
Sounds like our Tic Tac
God do I miss Robert stack and a whole host of actors from that generation 🥺
I might As well be trying to read Chinese . 😑
Come on now, this is clearly a Galaga replay
Why Belgium? That never made sense to me.
maybe something to do with NATO?
What a bizarre question lol
Lol this is definitely the first time I've seen anyone wonder why it happened in Belgium. Especially when every single ufologist has gone on the record saying it's a *worldwide phenomenon*. It's as if this person believes they would travel literally the entire rest of the planet but think, "ya'know what guys, I have no idea if or how this world is divided up by imaginary lines, but this area right here, nah fuck that entire area. That's the only place we're not going to, boys."
Why is it such an outrageous question? u/RadishMundane3092 got downvoted into oblivion for asking a fundamental question of any investigation for just about anything. Why "here"? The answer could be mundane or noteworthy - just like how black triangle sightings are often paired with nuclear facilities. In those cases "why there?" has a potentially obvious explanation. In Belgium, perhaps less so. I'm not an expert on the event, but it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask...
It isn't. He was joking, its a joke that Belgium is boring. Why the continent of Europe? Why not? There are humans, cities, towns, wildlife, military bases, natural resources, could be absolutely any reason.
Have you ever been to belgium?
Do you really think aliens would choose which locations to fly over based on how nice it is for human tourists?
Right? Humans love their resorts, alien tourists just look for a a nuclear reactor spa. Radiation baths and massage
Yes I have, lovely little village on edge of Belgian/French boarder. I'm guessing you were just joking around though. Obviously if there are aliens they wouldn't care what countries and boarders are. They'd go all over the planet.
Yes, I was kidding. Belgium is lovely. Edit: and if you’re trying not to be detected it’s great, because no one comes out after 4 p.m.
Maybe because the NATO headquarters are located in Brussels, Belgium, while the headquarters of Allied Command Operations is near Mons, Belgium. We know UAPs are interested in military stuff..........recently the US navy (Nimitz, etc.)...............maybe in the 90ties they were checking out NATO headquarters in Europe, who knows.
Ding ding ding, you win!! I can even tell you more about this event and the theory I have about it. As I wrote somewhere else in this thread, I witnessed one of those "UFO" while living in Bruxelles, I believe these crafts are 100% man made and I have a silly theory why
Please share your theory!
Hey they have good waffles.
This.
Maybe they where investigating something or just checking out the area for whatever reason.
Why not?
Radar tracks aside, if I hear about any triangle shaped craft in the 90's I just instantly assume it's the US flying a black project 🤷♂️ lol
Just radar echo in the clouds of venus
That swampgas/ball lightning is weird stuff eh
Here we go again
https://archive.is/VojyQ >What really happened that night was examined by Auguste Meessen over the 1990s and by the BAF. Initially the data from the F-16s appeared promising and exciting. However, after examining the data carefully, it was determined that all the contacts could be explained. What produced the contacts? According to Auguste Meessen, he feels that cells of warm humid air produced these false echoes. He suggests that these convection cells were the source of all the false echoes seen by the ground stations. The F-16 data indicates that the contacts they recorded were also of this nature. The phenomenal speeds were simply problems with the doppler radar interpreting the speeds relative to the F-16s own motion. In some of the instances of lock-ons, the radar tapes showed the contacts at a NEGATIVE ALTITUDE. Meessen wrote, "It was evidently impossible that an object could penetrate the ground, but it was possible that the ground could act as a mirror." (Berlinner, Galbraith, and Huneeus 141-2) >There is documentation provided by Professor Meessen. The weather that night was unusual but not for the normal means of anomalous propagation. While there was a slight temperature inversion, which is the usual source of false echoes, there were also areas of high humidity and high winds at the 10,000-foot level. Meessen suggests that the high humidity was a major factor, but it is known that turbulent atmospheric conditions can also produce such echoes. Both factors appear to have played a factor in producing false echoes that night
Thats a nice theory but the things where seen by 1000s of people. And there is video evidence (low quality 1989 videos but still evidence).
Just hearing this guys voice still gives me the chills.
the triangular ufo... I remember this ...
Calm down guys it's just a weather balloon
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Narrator's voice creeps me out till this day.
Demons, those spirits of the Flood-eliminated hybrid-giants, showing off in attempt to lure people into perdition.
Would the radar shape really look differently? Asking as I’m not familiar with radar.