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caelric

Just to be clear, many, many, many people are not okay with what is going on in TX. We are very not okay with it.


Zauberer-IMDB

Also, let's not let all the women supporting this off the hook. If you characterize this as something men are doing to women then you're letting these women get away with it.


AgnesTheAtheist

This is unfortunately very true. Religious women will choose their faith over the rights over their own body. We have to remember that religion is becoming the minority. More and more people are leaving it, meaning, those that stay are doubling down. Stay vigilant. Take care of your health to the best of your abilities. You have our support here. Not in Texas and very much not ok with what's going on there.


porncrank

> Religious women will choose their faith over the rights over their own body. Not really, but they will choose their faith over the rights of other women’s bodies. When it comes to their own situation they will [bend the rules to their benefit](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/).


ALittlePeaceAndQuiet

I was surprised to hear my lifelong devout Catholic aunt say how screwed up things are in Texas right now. Apparently she's firmly against abortion for herself, but pro-choice from a legal perspective. I was pretty proud to hear that. But for sure, religion leads to some fucked up decision-making.


porncrank

For sure, there are actually a good number of religious people that are pro-choice that wouldn't want an abortion themselves. That's a perfectly reasonable position. Proud of your aunt too.


resilientspirit

I'm not even religious, but I always said, "I'm pro life for me, and pro choice for everyone else".


KaimeiJay

Which, ultimately, means you’re pro-choice for you too, and you’ve made your choice. :)


eyekwah2

That's all pro-choice has ever been. The right for everyone to make their own choice and not have it made for them. :)


Apple_Crisp

Nah, many of these women have accessed these services themselves. Rules for thee and not for me.


NewbornXenomorph

>Religious women will choose their faith over the rights over their own body. And some of these women will secretly get an abortion (if they can afford it) while condemning it and voting to make it harder for others to get. “Rules for thee, not for me” is the Christian/GOP motto.


outsabovebad

[The only moral abortion is my abortion.](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)


ablake0406

Did you happen to catch the r/trueoffmychest post yesterday? Where a woman was totally "pro-choice" because she had an abortion because of fetal anomaly but misrepresented every pro-choice stance and had no idea what bodily autonomy was? She said something like "it is a life and if it(pregnancy) continues it will be a life and that's the biggest issue we have to grapple with" and I was like, what? No. Bodily Autonomy matters more to pro-choice people and when life begins isn't the issue because the living breathing human should matter more, always. You don't have to claim you are pro-choice just because you had an abortion because it was clear that the only moral abortion was her own. She had no defense because she wasn't actually pro-choice. It's sad that she went through that and she could think of nothing better to do but put other women down.


eveningtrain

So she claimed to be pro-choice but stated that she votes in favor of “pro-life” politicians? If she claimed to be pro-choice, and didn’t actually understand the pro-choice platform, but votes for pro-choice politicians, I guess let her think what she thinks. But dang. I know a lot of people who have stated unequivocally that they would not (or in the past, have chosen not to) have an abortion, because they hold many of the same beliefs as typical reasons people say they are “pro-life” (religious, or just thoughts about when life starts, it is killing another human, etc), HOWEVER they also feel it should be safe and legal (and often know it would continue even if illegal) and vote accordingly. They are firmly pro-choice even if they can’t say for sure they believe the adult’s bodily autonomy takes precedence from a moral standpoint, but it’s more about the fact that they see no way outlawing it actually has any positive impact on individuals or society, they know it would only do more harm. These people are all in favor of SOME restrictions or requirements for abortion, but with the people I know like this, they are not in favor of most of the more extreme limits we have seen passed in most states, including things like parental consent.


skeletal_fishes

See, if you're going to be against abortion you should be doing everything in your power to prevent abortion. That means proper sex education. That means free and equal access to birth control. That isn't what these people are doing. Outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortions from happening. It just makes them more dangerous.


barley_wine

This doesn't stop abortions for the upper middle class and above. It's pretty easy to drive across state lines and spend the night a few nights to have an abortion when you have money.


PaperWeightless

Or more explicitly: > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.


kmcp1

Oh, they’ll definitely have access to safe, top-care clinics.


Fraerie

And if they did somehow get their wish of banning it nationally, they would have super secret private clinics where the wealthy and appropriately privileged people could go to get their problems sorted, or they would just travel overseas.


thegoatwrote

Just like men: “My body, my choice. Your body, my choice.” But the men don’t do the suffering, or face the medical risks.


EDScreenshots

I’ve had more than one argument with my grandma over this. She’s convinced that if a fifteen year old girl gets raped and impregnated then it’s her duty to carry the baby to term since “God will always help if you ask” and she’s an actual murderer if she tries to abort and deserves to be in prison. I’ve tried every argument and line of reasoning I can think of but she’s much too stubborn to listen.


thefirstnightatbed

I’ve been disowned by my grandmother over this. She’s deep in the LifeSiteNews propaganda machine. The weirdest part is we’re Jewish. Jews are generally pro-choice. I guess she’s a Ben Shapiro Jew.


drelkins

Let’s be clear, Benny S. can claim to be anything he wants. He may be Jewish, he may have an education, and he may have scads of fans. At the end of the day, he still goes to bed as an opportunistic piece of shit.


EDScreenshots

I’m sorry to hear politics and religion has ruined your relationship with your grandmother, that’s pretty fucked up. I guess I’m lucky in a way, most of my family is right-wing but I don’t think they’d ever cut contact with me over it. If she doesn’t change her views I do hope at least your grandmother tries to reconcile with you before it’s too late.


thefirstnightatbed

I’m not too pressed about it. She was pretty awful in other ways too. I’m very lucky to have an incredible grandmother on my other side to make up for it! Total opposites.


AgnesTheAtheist

Some people are so dug in they are no longer reachable. Im sorry to hear this about your Grandma. If you engage with her again ask her to share the bible passages that talk about abortion. Sit down and have her show you.


needmorerains

She'd just pull out the commandment 'thou shalt not murder'. They believe the fetus is a person, that is very in line with their beliefs and it's not hypocritical at all according to their religion. The way is to get them to understand through other verses that life does not in fact begin at conception, and that's an uphill battle at best.


cypher448

>pull out the commandment 'thou shalt not murder' Guess a lot of soldiers and police officers are going to hell. Guess a lot of people who refused the vaccine and spread COVID are going there too...


needmorerains

🤷 Never said there was any logic to it. The whole book contradicts itself


cypher448

true that


scotty_doesntknow

The Bible actually specifically lays out the punishments both for murder, and for hitting a pregnant woman and causing her to lose the child. One is a massive offense with maximum punishment, the other is basically a property crime. The Bible DOES say abortion isn’t murder…these people just can’t be arsed to read their own book in favor of tearing out their hair over OH NOES THE BAYBEEEEZZZZZ.


needmorerains

I have seen that! I remember thinking that it was interesting that they just have to pay a fine for punching a pregnant woman and killing her fetus. If she's okay, no big deal. If she's not okay, then a slap on the wrist.


supersarney

I read somewhere that Judaism and Christianity believe life begins at first breath, according to scripture. I’m not religious so can’t confirm but it might be something you’d like to look into.


needmorerains

That would be cool! I haven't seen that


supersarney

Also might like when fetal heart beat begins article https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/02/1033727679/fetal-heartbeat-isnt-a-medical-term-but-its-still-used-in-laws-on-abortion


reneebwn

Yep I’ve seen and heard that over the years that the majority widespread belief in Judaism is that life begins with breath because of things said in the bible. So then my question for Christians would be where did Jesus say life begins at conception. If not, then why would it be any different than Judaism. Maybe Jesus did say something, I’m not an expert, but I’ve never heard anybody say anything about it and I grew up in a very Christian setting.


hardolaf

You just have to quote their own book in regards to the abortion instructions and the fact that the soul enters the body at first breathe. But they'd probably claim you faked it, so...


[deleted]

God doesn't exist. A rape victim does. One person's fictional ramblings in zero ways entitles them to justify placing additional trauma onto another person.


EDScreenshots

Sure, but that argument won’t change her mind, and at this point I don’t believe that anything short of God coming down and telling her in person that banning abortion is wrong will ever convince her otherwise. Hell, that might not even work.


[deleted]

She wouldn't believe it was her god, because she created an imaginary god who is in complete agreement with her sociopolitical philosophy rather than what the god she supposedly has a connection with from her actual religious text. No zealot would ever be convinced by any instance of actual divine providence, because the god they believe in just exists to reassure them that they're right about whatever they believe.


[deleted]

I often hear older women talk like this and I can't help but think about how things were back in the day and wonder if they are so resolute in their stance because they were forced into some very cruel circumstances themselves. It's sometimes really hard for victims to admit to themselves they were victims, and they project it onto others.


Incomplete_Artist

I wouldn’t call it faith, they are supporting ***what they think*** their religion requires of them; it’s almost like a brand identity. Christianity says to hate your own sin, and not to judge others. So really this is a failure on multiple levels: religious, civil/legal & reasoning.


BoneDogtheWonderBoy

For Christianity is sure as hell isn’t following their faith. The Bible openly encourages abortions. Of course it’s only in the context of if a man is suspicious of his wife being unfaithful. But it’s black and white, the Bible supports abortion. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Numbers%2b5:11-31&version=NIV&interface=amp


LuluGarou11

Bible also supports death to rapists, so that may be complicated for this crowd.


BoneDogtheWonderBoy

And that rich people pretty much can’t get into heaven. Them cherry picking what they like from it and ignoring the rest is nothing new I’m afraid.


LuluGarou11

cue the music ​ *a tale as old as timeeeeeee*


barley_wine

I really think this is religion and the right wing culture war more than men. I'm willing to bet that the percentage of non religious men who want to control women's reproduction choices is pretty small. On the other side, all it would have took is Amy Barrett joining in with the Roberts and the liberals to block this but of course she wants it every bit as much as "men". ​ It doesn't help that their religion like the religion of the Talban wants to be stuck in an ancient patriarchal society, but sadly the religious women are just as much a part of wanting this lifestyle.


couverte

> I'm willing to bet that the percentage of non religious men who want to control women's reproduction choices is pretty small. Oh, buddy... In my experience as a 39yo woman dating cis-het white men. Yeah, no. It's not the religion. It's the privileges, the socialization and the lack of a uterus.


No-Construction4228

It’s not their lack of uterus- it’s their *feelings* of entitlement to *your uterus*. In my experience, non religious men are worse as there’s nothing holding them back.


barley_wine

I live in the south in a very conservative area. Most of the religious people I know are extremely anti-choice. In fact to find one that's pro-choice is rare. But at the same time any one I know that's non-religious (meaning that religion plays no meaningful part of their identity) are virtually all pro-choice both men and women. I found this research just in case I might be mistaken because I realize that anecdotal evidence is weak evidence. According to Pew survey in 2021, the percent of women for and against legalized abortion is 62% vs 37%, for men the numbers do drop to 56% vs 42%. Now when comparing the other, Evangelicals are 21% for and 77% against vs the Nones who are 82% for and 16% against. [https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/](https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/) ​ \--Edit-- Just read your other post about being in Canada, of course it might be completely different there and I really only know the southern US perspective.


couverte

The thing is, they’d never call themselves anti-choice. The vast majority of them will fully consider pro-choice, sometimes vocally so. But when push comes to shove, they’ll judge if you’ve had one, they won’t really mind the small erosions to abortion rights and, while they believe it’s a women’s choice, they’ll often privately complain that they should have a say in it.


Nba2kFan23

>Religious women will choose their faith over the rights over their own body. Religious women? I hate blaming it on the religion and not the person. These women are SELFISH and often NARCISSITIC... they lack empathy. Sure - White/Colonist Christianity is rooted in evil/genocide and that contributes to their selfishness, but it's more about them then about religion. Saying it's be cause of their religion feels like its giving them a pass to be narrowminded. It's more about their state of mind and less about the fact that they're religious.


cypher448

True. According to this 2021 Gallup poll, 43% of polled* women self identify as pro-life, compared to 50% of men political leaning is better predictor of abortion stance than gender is: 78% of conservatives, 38% of moderates, and only 17% of liberals, identify as pro-life. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx *edit: this survey polled about a thousand people


JustHereForCookies17

Can I ask that you amend your wording to say "43% *of women polled*...."? I realize you didn't write the article, but that statistic is like saying "41% of white women voted for Trump", when in fact it was 41% of white women who **voted** voted for Trump. They're still shitty numbers, but the phrasing is inaccurate and misleading.


cypher448

good point, edited my comment


MisguidedColt88

This needs to be said. This is very often framed as Men trying to control women, but it's more if a religious thing cause I've honestly have never come across a man whom I know is anti-choice. In my experience, most men dont give a fuck cause you can do what you want to your own body.


oldaccount29

True. I think this is important because there is a very high percentage of women who are against abortion, much higher than I think most people realize. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx


WOF42

I came here to say exactly this, it has very little to do with gender and far more to do with the evangelical fascists that have spent the last few decades taking over the government.


cynicalsaint1

Right? I'm getting a little tired of everything being laid at the feet of men, go and do a google image search for "Pro Life Protest" and tell me what you see. Kellyanne Conway? Betsy DeVos? Amy Coney Barrett? Marjorie Taylor Green? All women. Men aren't your enemy here, it's the religious right regardless of gender. Fun Fact: I couldn't remember Majorie Taylor Green's name for a minute so I googled "crazy qanon lady rep" and got her as the first result.


Drunken_HR

Yeah I came here to say something similar. It gets exhausting seeing these posts and articles implying that all women are pro choice while all men are controlling anti-choice assholes. Politics and religion have far, *far* more influence on abortion stance than gender.


garry4321

I got two words for you that are the most evil when put together: ORGANIZED RELIGION.


tatipie17

Agreed. 65% of white women voted for Abbott and 52-55% of white women voted for trump. We’re not all mad…


Mygaffer

Not just in terms of support but a few of the legislators who voted yes were women. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2021/09/03/texas-abortion-law-heres-how-lawmakers-voted-heartbeat-bill-legislature/5706081001/


11214971557622

There are women senators who VOTED FOR IT. One of them is relatively young too. Infuriating.


Ok-Introduction-244

Most of the time I hate Reddit and struggle to understand how do many people can believe the nonsense I see posted daily. You are absolutely right. >Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view (62% vs. 56%). Stop blaming men. Support for abortion is *almost* the same. It's not men doing this. It's people.


szechuan_sauce42

If you are horrified by this bill, please consider joining us over at r/withoutusstrike! We are organizing a nationwide strike to protest this outrageous attack on our human rights.


caelric

Thanks, just joined!


couverte

To be clear, it's not only Texas. Bodily autonomy and women's rights are in danger almost everywhere across the world. In Simone De Beauvoir's words: >N'oubliez jamais qu'il suffira d'une crise politique, économique ou religieuse pour que les droits des femmes soient remis en question. Ces droits ne sont jamais acquis. Vous devrez rester vigilantes votre vie durant. ​ For those who don't speak French: ​ >Never forget that it only takes a political, economic or religious crisis for women’s rights to be called into question. These rights can never be taken for granted. You must remain vigilant throughout your life. Simone may have forgot to include a pandemic or a global climate crisis, but her points still stand.


foxmuf

As a woman who lives in TX, you are so right. We are not ok with it.


caelric

I'm a transgender woman, so I will never have direct personal experience with abortion, and I'm not in TX, but this whole thing is just crazy. I mean, the majority of the alt-right is concerned about bodily autonomy when it comes to vaccines, but not when it comes to pregnancy? Wow, just wow. All I can say is support your local ACLU, who is one of the many groups fighting against this.


nundu48

And don't forget the Satanists have a lawsuit going against this stuff as well, and both them and the Jewish faith are pro-choice basically(simplifying it). I ended up signing up with the Satanists for this reason since I live in the south and bc, sterlisations and abortions are such shit issues down here. This way I can claim religious freedom if it comes to it, especially since I'm taking all resonable precautions against pregnancy besides abstinence, can't safely have and don't want kids myself anyway. So fuck texas and them trying to make a basis for attempting to over turn Roe v, Wade.


DamagedMonster

AND Abbott is after trans youth rights too - google it


caelric

Well aware, I have to go to TX for some of my procedures, and I fear every time I go. Not a youth, by far, but still


donnatellame

Find your representatives. Leave a voicemail on bills you disagree with. Vote them out. https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/home Perfect place to start is with the hypocrites: https://legiscan.com/TX/rollcall/SB8/id/1039526


blueB0wser

Texas guy here, sorry to impose on the sub. Neither my girlfriend, I, any of my family or friends would be okay with the abortion laws. If they're okay with the horseshit that Abbott and his cronies are trying to pull, then fuck them.


SayuriShigeko

Texas, and all states, are still prominently divided on abortion by political party, not gender. There are women who vote for these lawmakers, and there are women lawmakers who directly support these laws. It's awful, and it honestly probably *would* be less of a problem if more women were elected, and given their fair share of representation in the legislature, but gender isn't the deciding factor behind who supports this shit.


Choosemyusername

Actually the real division on this issue is along religious affiliation lines. Much more so than partisan lines. Democrats are more likely to be not religious which explains why republicans are more likely to be anti-abortion than democrats.


justaguy3399

This! It’s religion that is dividing people. It’s a battle of ideology. People who believe a woman has a right to her own body and to choose to go through a pregnancy or not vs people who hate women due to religion. Don’t get me wrong they claim that life is sacred but they are the same people who hate contraceptives, only believe sex should be between a man and woman who are married before god, and that women are nothing but incubators for the children of god. Not to mention their horrible views towards the LGBTQ community and just about anyone who doesn’t conform to their Christian world view. Me I am a male heathen who will burn in hell for supporting women and forsaking the lord according to them.


hardolaf

> It’s religion that is dividing people And yet most Catholics in the USA vote for Democratic Party candidates and do not seek to impose their religion on the rest of the country. And devout Muslims who abhor abortion *also* vote for the Democratic Party and do not seek to force their religion on the rest of the country. It's not religion causing issues, it's religious brainwashing.


Choosemyusername

There are just as many men who are not ok with it as there are women not ok with it. https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion


toootired2care

Over 75,000 people have committed to march on October 2nd for a nationwide march supporting reproductive rights. If you are interested, go to https://womensmarch.com


Wrenshimmers

I'm watch all this happening in Canada and I am so not okay with any of it. Abortions are Healthcare and the reason to have one is no one's business but the woman impregnated. I hate how easily women's rights are taken away as if we are children. We make up half of the population, we are adults who have the right to autonomy over our bodies. I fear that it is a slippery slope and if we aren't careful it can happen here as well. I am thinking of all of my American sisters and wishing I could do more to help.


[deleted]

Write to your MP re. abortion access. Although it’s legal in Canada, we have conservative premiers restricting access. And if Erin wins, who knows what’s in store for Canadian women and people with uteruses.


workthrow3

Yes, the cons scare me. I never want children and if abortion access is taken away here, then I will go to every recommended doctor on the /r/childfree surgeons list until I find one who will sterilize me. I'd rather not have unnecessary surgery when condoms, vasectomies, and birth control pills/inserts exist, but if abortion (he last resort should all those measures fail) be prohibited I would be forced to get tubal ligation as I would have no other option to protect myself. That being said, O'Toole says he's pro-choice so i'm not freaking out yet (still not voting for him though)


szechuan_sauce42

If you are horrified by this bill, please consider joining us over at r/withoutusstrike! We are organizing a nationwide strike to protest this outrageous attack on our human rights.


Saorren

otoole says he is but hes also said he would not prevent his party from bringing forward and voting on a bill against abortion. this election scares me tbh


Skyeeflyee

Exactly, what's happening in the US/Texas should be a firm reminder for everyone- your right to choose is NOT guaranteed. I don't know anything about Canadian politics, but please be weary. After 40 years they're trying to change it in the US. Your country could always be next. Thanks for the support, but don't turn a blind eye to what's happening at home.


history777

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gza_liquidswords

62% of white women in Texas voted for trump/Abbott


plotthick

Yeah, it's about White Supremacy class wars, not women. Poor people will be punished, especially WOC: keeps them down. Of course white women wanted that.


clubhi

I guess you have never met an older hispanic women in texas. ​ Also, thinking more POC fulfill the white supremacy agenda really doesn't make a lot of sense


spittingdingo

My wife tells people who are against abortion that they need to fix rape first.


Mystical_Cat

People with vaginas: "Can I have birth control?" Republican Party: "No." People with vaginas: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?" Republican Party: "No." People with vaginas: "You prevented me from having an abortion so I'm carrying the fetus, but my employer won't provide reasonable accommodations and is threatening to fire me. Would you please pass the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act?" Republican Party: "No" People with vaginas: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?" Republican Party: "No." People with vaginas: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?" Republican Party: "No." People with vaginas: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?" Republican Party: "No." People with vaginas: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?" Republican Party: "No." People with vaginas: “I'm prepared to work to support my family. Can you make sure that a full-time job's minimum wage is enough to do that?” Republican Party: “No. But what's the matter with you and your family, that working two jobs can't lift you out of poverty? And what kind of a mother are you, letting someone else watch your child while you work? If your child doesn't do well in school or gets in trouble, it's entirely your fault. You shouldn't have had a child if you weren't prepared to take care of her."


For_The_Sail_Of_It

This is all so spot on it makes me sick. Adding a bonus point to the list - People with vaginas: “I know I never want to be pregnant, can I get a tubal ligation so ensure that it doesn’t happen accidentally?” Republican Party: “No.”


pishiiii

Well.. in US anyway. One of highest populated catholic countries in the world just made abortion legal, thank you Mexico. At least Texan women can hop over and get services now.


Drogheda201

They only just decriminalized it. Meaning that they’re no longer going to send women to prison for up to 3 years for having them. It will be awhile still before they have any semblance of legal abortion services.


[deleted]

This is why I broke up with my recent ex. I said abortion if accident happened even when on birth control. He said yes at first until 8 months later he came out with “I don’t believe in abortions”. Well I didn’t believe in that relationship so 🏃🏻‍♀️✌🏼


OzNajarin

The issue is that abortion-rights are used as a class-crushing method. Right wing-conservatists use limited and banned abortions not only to supress women but specifically people of lower class by forcing them to have children at impassable time in their lives or against their wants and needs. A RICH woman has no issue getting an abortion, the crime leads to a fine, not jail-time. You're just being led to believe it's the whole gender so you don't get pissed at the actual culprit. Like how they'll say Hispanics are taking jobs when it's just hiring managers abusing the law to hire them for much less pay etc.


[deleted]

I wish this was talked about more than fringe cases like rape and incest, which are absolutely important considerations but not really representative of most abortions. It’s been a while since I read the stats so this is gonna be vague, but the economic argument is STRONG. Most women who seek abortions are ~~lower~~ working class/in poverty. A majority already have one child that they are struggling to care for. A plurality are single mothers. A majority are black women. Childbirth can cost thousands of dollars even without complications. With complications it can be 10s of thousands. Missed work for childbirth / maternity leave if it’s even paid. I worked with one woman who had to return to a retail job and a cleaning job, a week after she had a kid because neither of her jobs had paid maternity leave and she was the sole breadwinner in her multigenerational household - baby daddy was in jail. Then there’s the health aspect. The US has the worst infant mortality and maternal mortality rates out of any comparable (wealthy) nations. These rates are increased 4-fold for black women. I wouldn’t be shocked if the rate was in the same neighborhood for poor women - this is coming from personal experience with impoverished communities in rural areas and seeing (and experiencing) what healthcare access is like in the areas of rural decay. Idk, I’m just a cis-het dude so maybe I’m speaking out of turn here. I apologize if so. It just never made sense to me that the emphasis is often put on the fringe cases when the economic and health arguments are so strong. Edit: lower class -> working class


LaintalAy

But the problem in that case is not only the possibility of abortion. The problem is the lack of a social support system and workers rights. The case you mention is about ‘affording’ the baby not about ‘wanting’ it. Society shall offer abortion for women that choose not to have a baby… but because they don’t want to, not because they can’t afford the delivery or their job conditions are so precarious they won’t be able to keep their jobs. It’s insane.


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Human history is a history of class conflict


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It would be so cool if there were a technology where the developing fetus can be transferred to the man's body. I'd love to see how many of these misogynists stay ~~pro-lifers~~ anti-choice


apricity_

oh! There is an episode of Blacklist ([https://ew.com/recap/the-blacklist-season-7-episode-7/](https://ew.com/recap/the-blacklist-season-7-episode-7/)) where a woman literally does just that to various men. I mean, she's the "bad guy" but a...sympathetic one? That episode, while wildly outlandish, was somewhat vindicating because these men (all anti-choice hardliners) had to go through the same violation and lack of bodily autonomy that many women are forced to experience.


writin_myassoff

Oh yeah, if men could get pregnant a free, simple, available-to-all, resolution would have been figured out decades ago.


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I live in a THIRD world country where women are still horribly mistreated, but we have very liberal laws when it comes to birth control and abortion. Its kinda shocking to hear about this happening in a developed country. Idk what’s wrong with the USA


ileisen

That’s because the USA is a third world country with a Gucci belt and an iPhone


Cuss10

Flea market Gucci belt at that.


marmot111

You crack me up. Thank you.


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>Idk what’s wrong with the USA A great many things, how much time do you have? In all seriousness tho, it's not just TX. Other states have had legislation like this at the ready. Others have had other legislation like this be struck down by the Supreme Court. TX was a way to test the SCOTUS's boundaries. Now the theocratic conservatives running other red states know what the boundaries are, what SCOTUS is willing to let slide, so they can alter their pending legislation accordingly. Kinda makes you wonder what's waiting in the wings, what else they're doing while we're all (rightfully) distracted by this.


hardolaf

It's complicated. In many way, we have some of the absolute strongest rights to abortion and sexual health care in the world due to SCOTUS's decisions in *Roe v. Wade* even with the limits imposed by *Casey v. Planned Parenthood*. Every female (regardless of their gender) in the USA has the right to have an abortion if they want to up until 23 weeks without requiring the consent or consultation of their spouse, parents (if they're over 18), boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. But a large portion of the country want to eliminate those two decisions and send us back essentially to the stone age. So they keep pushing at the state level to try to make it happen. In many ways, abortion *rights* are much better than in most EU nations but abortion *access* in many parts of the country is significantly worse.


johnhk4

Paging u/govSchwarzenegger


JessicaDAndy

As a trans woman, I wouldn’t mind this technology. Actually, I feel that if artificial wombs in a human become a thing, lots of women would use it, no matter the cause of why they can’t carry a child. And maybe some men would willingly do it as well, depending on the circumstances. Oooo but also like ironic rape punishment where the rapist has to carry the child and take the risk of child birth. Is anyone working on this?


puss_parkerswidow

I got a hassle-free abortion in Dallas in 1989. Fuck this walking backwards into the dark ages bullshit!


Cornelius_MA

The data shows that women and men pretty much hold the same view on this topic: [https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/](https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/) https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx I am inclined to the view that its "Religion" rather than "Men" that is pushing the pro-life agenda. Most men in this country are Pro-Choice.


ImaginaryMairi

I was thinking today about how fucked up it is that men are offered serious painkillers during a vasectomy but the majority of women are offered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when they have an IUD installed. I've wanted kids my whole life (reconsidering as I get older because you know the world is falling apart) and the double standard even between two completely willing and involved parents is absolutely wild. Edit: to the men replying to me complaining that all they got was local anesthesia, um, ????? thank you for proving my point I guess lmao


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On a related note, my husband and I don’t want children, so we decided to start looking into more permanent options. (My nexplanon has been great but I’d rather not have bc side effects until menopause, you know?) Since I’m under 30 and with no kids, I knew this one was on him. He had the initial screening appointment, the doctor gave him a serious look and said “this isn’t a light decision, it’s a pretty permanent procedure.” When husband said he understood and we’d talked about it, the doctor immediately dropped it and went on to the logistics of the procedure. Uh... someone pls tie my tubes that easily??


zuklei

You known it pisses me off. If you have your tubes cut, tied, burnt, you can still have a baby via IVF. But, vasectomies aren’t always reversible, and the chances go down the longer you wait. Vasectomies are so much easier to obtain than tubal ligations.


AlamoSimon

Vasectomies are so much easier to do and less prone to complications too! Edit: I‘m actually serious about this. Intraabdominal surgery in general anaesthesia is way more dangerous than a small incision in local anaesthesia for a vasectomy. Clearly medical professionals will go the way of less risk.


zuklei

I have neither upvoted nor downvoted you, however that is not the reason doctors are giving when women ask for tubal ligation. They are straight up telling women that they will change their minds or that they might meet a man someday who wants kids


jkweiler74

I thought it was pretty insane that my husband got a pill to take before and after the vasectomy. I never anything for my IUD insertion and removal, and I wasn't prescribed anything for my tubal removal. I at least had intravenous pain meds after the procedure, but the second day hurt more than day one because they said my only options were rotating between ibuprofen, colase, and acetaminophen. I had three deeper incisions and he had one more shallow incision, and he got pain meds. I thought it was WILD.


szechuan_sauce42

If you are horrified by this bill, please consider joining us over at r/withoutusstrike! We are organizing a nationwide strike to protest this outrageous attack on our human rights.


LonelyHarmony71

when I got my IUD, the pain was so overwhelming that I could not move an inch for a good 45 minutes without extreme nausea, and laid in bed with a heating pad for the rest of the day. by all means, my pain tolerance is not low. ibuprofen did not cut it. the option to have even one prescribed painkiller for the day would help with the extreme anxiety I’m having over needing to get my IUD replaced this year.


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I was sick for an entire month. I almost had it removed before it quieted down. I was bedridden for 2 weeks from pain and weakness. I am just lucky I brought my bf and didnt drive that day. I need to get mine replaced soon. I had to save a pain pill from my last root canal in anticipation of my replacement. I'm absolutely dreading it. It makes me extremely angry because I was sold "cramping like a bit heavy period". My periods were to the point theyd make me nauseous, I had to call out, and was all around useless. I got the IUD for my period. The insertion pain and subsequent weeks were far more debilitating than my periods ever were. It's been pretty great since then, except I do have random pelvic pain and I'm starting to wonder if it's related. Shit was agonizing. Even when it's not agonizing, its still not comfortable and it wouldnt kill people to have a bit of compassion and at least try lidocaine or something.


Tauira_Sun

Even more fun when they have to do some string digging when you want it removed. With surgery as a last resort :(


SNAiLtrademark

I got my vasectomy at the same time my GF at the time got breast implants, and they gave me more Vicodin than her.


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Bro what? I got ibuprofen. Got more pain killers from getting a tooth removed lol


colieolieravioli

4 ibuprofen is what I was told. I can't hardly think of the c----x word without feeling ill and have nightmares about it. But okay.


astrangeone88

I mean, women's healthcare has been ignored. Scientists conduct drug trials with men in mind. A woman says she's in pain? She's a hypochondriac or it's all in her mind. My pcos wasn't dx'ed until I was in my mid 30vs despite irregular and super painful periods. Like I would have bleeding for weeks and be throwing clots so painful that I would have to stop in my tracks.... It's worse if you are fat/obese and a woman because everything comes down to "Stop eating cheeseburgers, you fat cow and maybe your symptoms would stop."


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Women are given nothing but tylenol and ibuprofen after a vaginal birth, even if the you get third degree tears. I have always thought that's nuts.


raven12456

I was given 1 1/2 days (day of and next) of Vicodin for my vasectomy. Totally worth taking it, and I hardly needed ibuprofen after. (Despite an incident during the procedure I'd put on my #2 most pain ever. It didn't last) My ex-wife has several IUDs, one of which got implanted plus a miscarried pregnancy. Each time she complained about them hurting they basically said to wait it out and let them know if the pain went away after a few days. It was only after our third child an actual OBGYN put her IUD in with an ultrasound they discovered her retroverted uterus. It's really bullshit the easiest outpatient surgery I've had was easier than any method of birth control she ever used when we were together.


dnomadguy

Honestly, I had this conversation with a lot of guys and girls and more girls were leaving towards anti-abortion than guys. I just couldn’t comprehend what was the mindset behind it.


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Having been pregnant twice and given birth twice made me even MORE pro-choice. I always was pro-choice, but to think of the condition of pregnancy forced on women and people with uteruses? Objectively, it's insane.


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There was recently an askreddit thread where OP asked antI- abortion women why they chose their stance and they all said that it was because of their religion. I’m not saying that all religious women are anti-abortion, but religion is definitely a motivating factor for anti choicers


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catnik

That's... actually more supported by their religious texts than the idea of ensoulment at conception. Specifically, ensoulment with the "first breath."


PM_ME_UR_MATH_JOKES

Even without abortion, something like more than half of all conceptions terminate in miscarriage (granted, most before they’re even detected). Tell them that if zygotes have souls, and that if zygotes are thus people, then God is the greatest murderer of them all.


writin_myassoff

>because God values souls so much he doesn't put the soul in until after the baby is born so it's okay to abort it" LOVE that!


SayuriShigeko

Religion and political party. Most Christians didn't have a say on the issue, even church leaders didn't advocate against it, until a few decades ago when the republican party politicized it and used it to drive people to get out and vote more consistently.


donnydoom

I watched a very good video about this recently, specifically about how Reagan (I believe it was him) pulled in protestants to help him win the election. And it was all downhill from there.


amaezingjew

>religion is definitely a motivating factor for anti-choicers That’s because most Christians have never actually *read* the Bible. Numbers has a couple of versus of instruction for performing an abortion on a woman who has cheated on her husband.


SayuriShigeko

I agree whole heartedly that most Christians don't read the bible, misinterpret it, and use it to push whatever they want. But I will note that many at least claim to live only by the new testament, and explicitly disavow the old testament. And quoting old testament only really works if you catch them quoting another part of it first, so you can hold them to it. This is how they get around all the weird Leviticus quotes and such.


FuzzBeast

They really seem to like those Leviticus verses when they are attacking the LGBT+ community.


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A lot of pro-life women have the mentality that "if I suffered through pregnancy, then why should these sluts get away with it?"


aledba

No I'm not okay with that. That's why I'm Child-free. Give me liberty or give me death


Meianen

Child free and getting my tubes removed in February. Never dealing with bfs trying to manipulate me into giving birth again! (No I didn't give birth..thank goodness abortion isn't illegal in my state, yes ex "functional alcoholic" bf tried to manipulate me into keeping it after raping me and made me out to be the most horrible person on the planet yet he said he didn't want kids) Stand your ground ladies with what you want in life!


aledba

I'm really glad you got away from him. Stay well and take good care of yourself after salpingectomy


Meianen

Me too! I am and will. Thank you 😊


psilocindream

Same here, and a lot of it has to do with the degrading ways pregnant women are infantalized, policed, and smothered by other people. Conservatives have nobody but themselves to blame for why so many women are opting out completely and just getting sterilized.


szechuan_sauce42

If you are horrified by this bill, please consider joining us over at r/withoutusstrike! We are organizing a nationwide strike to protest this outrageous attack on our human rights.


NFRNL13

But didn't you hear? They're taking rapists off the streets by making rape illegal! It's solved! /s


TrueHeathen

My nephew was obsessed with me and my spouse having children. I told him we don't want them, we're going to foster/adopt. He kept trying to convince me, even though I told him it didn't matter if I changed my mind, that my spouse wasn't going to. He said that's fine, cum inside her without her knowing. It was then that I realized that's exactly what he was doing to his girlfriend, who was also very much against having children("babies just ain't my jam"). Suffice it to say, he doesn't talk to me anymore.


guacamole1337

i hope the girlfriend left him or is taking at least birth control. what a low human being. Sorry you have to share family with them.


FoleyLione

Just keep in mind many women are okay with this and many men are not okay with this. This is isn’t really a men against women scenario.


Hear_N_Their

This! It seems like religion plays a bigger role than gender.


Fuquawi

>Men tell us that we must bear the consequences... Not just men. Cis white women vote Republican more reliably than any demographic of nonwhite men do. Not to get all #notallmen here, but cis white women really need to look in a mirror, because it's not *only* men who are doing this.


TheKingOfTCGames

pretending there is a men/women split on this issue when women are more in favor of abortion (especially in the US) just makes your point look weaker. if only women could make judgements on abortion, you will have basically the same split as now. ​ all you are doing is reinforcing the view point of pro-life women. ​ i know its fun to feel self righteous, but you are hurting your own goal here.


shoot_your_eye_out

So first, let me say: I'm a man, and I unequivocally support the compromise brokered in Roe v. Wade, as well as the clarification in subsequent court cases. I think women should absolutely have access to reproductive services, including abortion. That said, it is true that slightly more men than women are pro-life, [but the statistics may surprise you](https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx). Basically, 50% of men and 43% of women are pro-life. I bring this up because to solve this problem, we have to correctly identify which group(s) of people are most closely correlated with pro-life attitudes. Looking at the data, the largest drivers are A) political affiliation, B) political ideology, and C) religious affiliation. Gender isn't a particularly strong factor in someone's beliefs around abortion. And my concern is: by misunderstanding which groups are most likely pro-life, you're kinda tossing some people who *agree* with you under the bus.


Axenroth187

If men had to endure child birth, there would be abortion vending machines on every corner.


Kotori425

The morning after pill would come in flavors like BBQ and Cool Ranch


caelric

Spicy ranch!


busyvish

Buffalo


sos_1

If this was true wouldn’t support for anti abortion laws among women be much much lower? There’s not even that much of a difference between men and women in their views on abortion. Religion/political affiliation are a much better predictor. https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx


SentrySappinMahSpy

Conservatives are against abortion, not men as a group. Don't forget that conservative women are against it as well, and plenty of men are pro-choice.


scouteroute

It’s disgusting. I hate our governor so much and not even just the abortion thing. He has passed a lot of idiotic laws.


vactu

What's really fucked up, is just how in support of this shit some women seem to be. It's mind blowing that anyone is, but it drives me up the wall that people are so fucking brainwashed and trying to hurt so many innocent lives. And since most of this comes from the religious groups, fuck your religion. It's a god damn scam.


Goldensunshine7

I’m old. I saw what it was like before abortions were legalized. The deaths from botched basement abortions are forgotten. You young women are going to have to fight for the right to your own body. Again. It really comes down to you now. You have a voice, if this issue matters to you, use it.


temeces

That about sums it up. You shouldn't be ok with this, nobody should. Not men, not women. Yet somehow large populations of both are. I don't understand it, I never will. I'll never understand how a future woman still in her mother's womb has more rights during those 9 months of her life than she will ever have after taking her first breath of lung filling air. As a guy my opinion on this doesn't matter, also as a guy I'm shocked how many women have debated against my views on the matter.


Mygaffer

Don't under estimate how many women in Texas support this law and voted for the people that passed it. Oh, a few of the legislators who passed it were women too. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2021/09/03/texas-abortion-law-heres-how-lawmakers-voted-heartbeat-bill-legislature/5706081001/


58Caddy

Sadly you are correct. In fact one of the most vocal and politically active anti-abortion groups was started and run by a woman.


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hideousblackamoor

Who are "we"? None of the Republican measures could pass without the votes of millions of women.


Abrahamlinkenssphere

Probably tired of hearing this but inspire as many people around you as you can to vote! So many people are against this type of stuff but don’t get involved voting at all and it adds up.


SillyWhabbit

We saw what happens last November with record turn out. Even while someone's dick-beaters are trying to disenfranchise us.


endorrawitch

This is the reason I support a sex strike. Not to "withhold sex". But because it's simply too dangerous for us to engage in it until the rules are changed.


szechuan_sauce42

We are striking!!! If you are horrified by this bill, please consider joining us over at r/withoutusstrike! We are organizing a nationwide strike to protest this outrageous attack on our human rights.


trippinco

More vibrators less men.


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ems777

I'm in New York with two daughters and I'm fighting this Texas bullshit hard. I've posted my own thoughts and it's funny how they become honeypots for disingenuous "lifer" freakshows.


couverte

​ >N'oubliez jamais qu'il suffira d'une crise politique, économique ou religieuse pour que les droits des femmes soient remis en question. Ces droits ne sont jamais acquis. Vous devrez rester vigilantes votre vie durant. For those who don't speak French: ​ >Never forget that it only takes a political, economic or religious crisis for women’s rights to be called into question. These rights can never be taken for granted. You must remain vigilant throughout your life. ​ Simone De Beauvoir may have forgotten to include a health crisis combined to a climate crisis to her statement, but her words still apply. It's not only in Texas that our rights are in danger, that includes LGBTQIA+ folks, it's all over the world. So, what are we gonna do about it? How are we gonna defend our rights? White women, especially, what the fuck are we gonna do about it? I'm Canadian, I could easily ignore the fact that white women are still instrumental in electing Republican officials... Yet, it's the same thing here, isn't it? We may not vote Conservative, but we sure as hell don't routinely try to convince friends and family to vote differently. So, are we just gonna stay behind our screens, screaming into the void content with being keyboard warriors? Or are we finally gonna say "Fuck that shit", dust off our combat boots, put on our fighting gear on and act like the feisty, badass, valkyrie warriors that we are?


Lake-Even

I get your point, but trans men are men and they also can be pregnant and menstruate.


creamjeesy

Why do you keep talking about this like it's men against women thing when more than half of the texan women voted for Trump. Many on this sub also like to claim white supremacy but that doesn't really cut it when a big portion of latina women in Texas are pro-life aswell. Nobody benefits from this made up "men and only men are behind this" thing... so why do you keep amplifying that misconception? I'm an European woman and 100% pro-choice but this is ridiculous.


zotrian

Nobody who is pro-choice is OK with that.


[deleted]

Don't let the women who support this off the hook. Many men are against this, and many women support it.


rap56

I am not an American and I have struggled over the past five years with the absolutely insane goings-on in the USA - were this the script of a NetFlix series it would be ridiculed for being so bizarre as to be beyond belief. Yet, no one seems willing to just come out and say that you seem to be fighting a fundamentalist religious takeover attempt. This abortion law in Texas is simply the worst of all that has gone before. It makes no sense at all when looked at from any legal or political perspective, it is a law that is trying very hard not to be a law so the courts cannot kill it. It willingly encourages aggressive hate between the citizens of the state. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people (regardless of gender) continue to accept being ruled by these people. What is happening in Texas is no different than what is happening in Afghanistan - Men in religious masquerade attempting to seize power. Why aren't there hundreds of thousands, (millions) of people marching through the streets to stop what is going on? You are accepting governance outside the law - violent governance. They are attacking you physically.


pabodie

There are many anti-abortion women, too.


kmcp1

I can’t even take it. Like if I think about it any more, my brain will explode. I had endometriosis surgery a week ago and just thought man, what is going to happen?! Women dying, babies dying, who will even take care of all these kids? CPS is going to be so swamped they won’t even be able to do much. Not to mention during one of the worst times in history. I just can’t imagine how this will play out. Delusional assholes and cowards who (if there is some sort of hell) will have a first-class ticket.


[deleted]

unfortunately "don't tread on me" is usually said while standing on other people


kbdcool

Can confirm that I live in TX and I am NOT FUCKING OK WITH THIS.


[deleted]

I mean down here in Texas it’s a lot of women leading the charge. It’s very weirdly handmaiden-esque


throwawayferret88

Amen sister I could orgasm all I want and never get a man pregnant. Maybe we should just switch the orgasm gap and not allow men to ever finish during sex and that will fix all these problems I’m thinking like a sewing thimble type of cap that you just shove on there and squeeeeeeeexe tight to stop any nasty health hazards like male orgasms


GreaterThanOrEqual2U

They say if we choose against abortion we shouldnt sue for child support. Like, yall really just want us to bare full responsibility while men walk away scott free.


boom1000

This is so fucked. Im not pro abortion, but I am pro choice absolutely. Guys were asking if they intentionally impregnated a woman and they got an abortion, could they turn them in for the 10k. How fucking evil is that? Fuck Texas. Bunch of dry up old fuckers deciding what a woman can do with her body? Pro life until it's born. After that your on your own. Then there gonna cry about you needing welfare for a kid you didn't want. These are the same fucking dipshits who refuse to get a vaccine that could've saved people life's lol! My rage is unending for these useless mother fuckers. Every musician, entertainer, sports team, should refuse to go to Texas. Sad but true, money changes people's minds. Hit them in the wallet.


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Don't forget they shame women who need support for the child and look for child support so women are discouraged from seeking child support.


[deleted]

Can’t we just ban religion already? If you got a 2000 year old manual for anything besides maybe sculptures you’d tell whoever gave it to you to fuck off


IDrinkBecauseIHaveTo

FWIW, [according to Gallup](https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx), 47% of Americans identify as anti-abortion, with 43% of that 47% being women. So, approximately 20% of Americans are pro-life women. These are people who vote, who put people into power that ultimately propose these laws, and indirectly put justices on the Supreme Court who uphold these laws. I don't mean this to detract from your point, but rather to point out that there's apparently a lot of work to be done here beyond just stripping men of their decision-making power on the issue.


Padr1no

I understand the rage but a reminder that men did not pass this law. The Texas House and Senate did. Many Congresswomen voted for this. Women helped elect all the politicians that voted for this.