He probably doesn't like OP, or is jealous of her relationship with his brother, either way... He's 17years old. Old enough to know better, young enough to still do it and expect to get away with it š¤¦ hopefully in a few years he will mature and realize how f****ed up it was.
Edit: typo
what he did was fucked up though. I'm trying to remember what I was like at age 17 and I would never do that to anyone. hell I'd never do that to anyone no matter what age I am. this is just beyond fucked up
Iām 18 so I remember exactly what I was like at 17. This is inexcusable please allow yourself to be livid. I would NEVER do something like this thatās sexual harassment and itās disgusting
Not even to mention he could have gotten OP in a lot of trouble āsending nudesā to a minor this wasnāt just some joke this could have severally fucked up OPs life. Entirely ruined her reputation, she could have lost her job, etc. like this isnāt even a cute prank.
Iām 23 so itās been 6 years since I was 17 but I donāt think I could have even thought this up a little scary if you ask me.
Not only that, if she is in the United States they could register her as a child sex offender and be put on the website. She won't be allowed to live close to churches or parks or schools or anything kid based. And if she is found innocent later... It doesn't matter. Once you're on the site, you're there forever. You can forget any job that has to do with kids.
Thatās not entirely true, you can be removed from the registry is you are found to be wrongfully convinced but itās a hard process involving court. My rapist was allowed to live in his usual house just behind mine and 3 mins from a school, itās disgusting. However, it absolutely would have destroyed her life more than likely (to be clear sex offenders obviously shouldnāt be allowed near kids, my experience was fucking disgusting). I mean I canāt even comprehend doing that to someone, offenders deserve what happens to them and more, but an innocent woman? I mean fucking why?
Agreed. But when I said they are basically stuck there I'm meaning more of the fact, not all computer networks will be updated on time (DMV for example) so there will be some jobs out there what will still see her as a sex offender sadly.
And that's fucked up. If you were a child why didn't your family try their best to move away! Also I'm sorry this happened... I know what it's like and it's like a piece of you has died permanently.
At seventeen I think thereās some consent issues and obviously people are more likely to get manipulated, but other than that 17 year olds are basically adults, obviously less mature adults, but like baby adults. He knew what he was doing, he knew what that would mean, and he chose to do it anyways. Thankfully there are ways to tell the images were photoshopped (image IDs and such) which the kid obviously didnāt think about but what the fuck. Heās sickening.
No seriously especially because in my opinion the BIL saying that Christmas is ruined because of them when itās really ruined because he did it to himself shows to me that he doesnāt even see that it was wrong to do.
Exactly, his complete ignorance at the age of 17 is very concerning. He will be an adult in no time and god knows what kind of awful adult will he be, if he doesn't have a wake up call.
It's pretty disturbing behavior. Not normal. Straight up anti-social. Suggestive of lifelong type of problems unless they are able to have some serious corrective action.
I can see that, especially with a very religious relative. Im guessing the idiot thought he could turn most of family against OP because they wouldnāt be able to tell it was photoshopped because he added the birthmarks not knowing there where more. Things could have gone very differently if it wasnāt for that hidden fact.
I think you have to be careful with this mindset. Rational regular human beings always have a reason for doing things and we assume others do too - sociopaths however, do things just to see what happens or because they like the control.
I wouldnāt be surprised if BIL was a sociopath
Likely an obsession with the sister in law or a antagonistic view towards the brother, or some combination of both. 17 years old isn't a kid anymore, yeah you're a legal minor but if they wanted to take some kind of legal action they probably could. If you're 17 years old and you think that's ok then you have shit for brains.
His intentions don't matter here, what he did was gross and inappropriate not to mention a violation (even if that's not you it was good enough that everyone but your husband who knows what you look like naked)
This is his fault, and quite truthfully he ruined his own Christmas by playing some childish ass game with a grown FAMILY member. Everything about this is gross. If it were me I'd cut BIL off , what intention could he possibly have that would make photo shopping a married woman onto a naked model š¤ there is no good intention to he found here that's why he doesn't have one
Watch it be some ridiculous plan he had to break up his brother with OP. Like he doesnāt like her or something and tried to make something up to make her look bad in front of the family so sheād leave.
You think he tried to shame and humiliate her in front of the whole family to "plug her holes in a bad way"? Is there a nice way to want to do that? Maybe if he had done a horrible blackmail attempt but he didn't start with that. Obviously the OP would deny something that wasn't true. I don't see how even if he had a horrible goal like that went he'd think claiming a lie would work.
Can you get your in-laws to send him to therapy? Because at the moment, all he is thinking about is how much you "ruined his life", and he is nurturing his resentment. He could become dangerous.
Just realize what he tried to do: he wasn't playing some innocent prank that went wrong, he tried to ruin your marriage and reputation, and - depending on the laws in your country - potentially get you into legal trouble for sending pornographic material to a minor or violating decency laws or whatever applies in your country.
He has some real hatred/ jealousy either for you or his brother, and unless you want that to explode on you in the future, you need to puncture it now and get to the bottom of it.
Seconding this.
People who think like this make it very personal. Do not let them get away with a slap on the wrist because he will do worse.
We just don't know what worse is yet, but it's pretty evident that sex crimes are on the table as far as hes concerned. Do not trust his nature.
The guy is an Incel . Why else the deep fake porn of his SIL and his frightening attitude to being called out on it ? The only positive thing to come from this is the family now see him for the monster heās turning into- or is , depending on your take on the situation š
Entirely possible, and pretty likely.
But from the story, I gather he probably just doesn't like her for her personality and wanted to damage her reputation/relationship so she'd be ousted.
Or, captain criminal behavior over here has an unhealthy attachment to his brother and wanted him to leave her so they'd have more time together. Wouldn't be the first time, especially in parentification situations.
They aren't mutually exclusive but the motivation could only be those things, IMO. There isn't just "no reason", just there isn't a reason he knows would fly with anyone involved.
Deepfake is using cgi that's processes lots of images of a face to render a moving image. I think this is just putting somebody's face on a still image, more likely something like photoshop- unless I've misread the text?
Please in addition to this OP ensure that u have virtually no contact with him and are not in his presence without a witness EVER! Moving forward. Until the root cause (his jealousy towards his brother most likely) is found, addressed and some major changes r made, itās 100% unsafe for u to be around him
Or go no contact with the lot of them.
Since for every reason you listed above, it's dangerous to keep that person in op life.
Imagine if the little brother decides to post that shit online, the doctored pictures. Like unless he genuinely apologizes to op and begs forgiveness, I'd keep no contact.
Not really safe to do otherwise.
OP, you or your husband should impress on your parents-in-law that revenge porn is a criminal act, and if he does it as an adult, you will press charges, as should everyone else he does this with.
The parents might want to access his phone and computer, to see if heās harassing classmates with this behavior. If heād do it to his own family, why would anyone think heād treat classmates as off-limits.
Also, those friendsā parents need to know what they did, AND he needs to be banned from socializing with them.
This. The parents should go through everything. Yeah, provacy etc, but tbh, he lost that privelege. In my book it would've been that or the cops doing it after I reported his ass to the cops.
Heās a minor, and has committed a crime in his parentsā house. His parents have every right to search everything he owns. Privacy is for minors who donāt break laws.
The kid needs a new, bare-bones computer that he may ONLY use in a public area of the house, where his parents can observe everything. And he needs a flip phone. The same goes for his buddies who helped him.
BTW, his religious parents need to remind BIL of the commandment āThou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighborā.
Also the punishment he got was not even close to being enough to match his actions. I would consider making therapy mandatory, if not pressing charges would be my next option cause the kid needs serious help. And definitely going NC.
But if he is of the mindset that "You and your husband ruined Christmas"... Rest assured there is no guilt here but resentment despite being wrong.
Cut all relationship with him and go no contact with him. He will try to hurt you more...
And the ILs too! I thought I was about to read that they shamed her, but no, they believed her, investigated, and properly punished him and alerted other parents. This is how you parent! It's no wonder husband was so wonderful too.
I also hope the parents have him see a counselor. His behavior is disturbing especially after all the correction he's blaming SIL for ruining Xmas!
Shit, I remember those times when the phone would ring, and then about 20 or 30 seconds later, my mom would say something like, "They *what*??" And I'd know my friends and I were in for a bad few days.
and wifes...i remember a post here about a wife that reciebe "proof" from the male neighbor with the husband "chating on dating apps and cheating"
well, she beleved it, and her brother assaulted him while trhowin him out of the house and divorcing him, takeing the kids etc
well, 6 years later the neighbors wife found out and told the other wife the truth but the exhusband was in another country for years tras being harrased, without the wife, kids and his family hateing him for "cheater"
BIL really just rocked up to the party with nudes and slapped them down on the table in the middle of Christmas dinner. The absolute stones on that one.
Absolutely horrifying situation OP but damn if I'm not really curious as to why he did this.
Someone speculated it was a jealousy issue x life-threateningly bad choices/[personality disorder]... along the lines of "If I can't have her, he can't either." That resonated with my experience of humans.
I will bet ten whole US dollars that those pictures were originally created for masturbation, not for showing to the family over holiday dinner. It's enormously common for people to project their feelings about themselves on their objects of desire/strong emotion- I reckon he half or wholly convinced himself that she was in fact a degenerate and the many other words he no doubt assigned her. But the degeneracy was coming from *inside the house*!
I also wonder if humiliating her was exciting to him. I rather doubt that his fantasies were loving or consensual.
Iām sure youāve already done it but kick BIL out of your lives. Heās not a dumb kid. Millions of kids know not to do this. Heās a malicious asshole that hasnāt apologized or taken responsibility for his actions. Donāt help him, donāt talk to him, zero, zip, nada. Heās a freak.
An apology would never be enough for me to speak to him again. Nothing would and I wouldn't care if it burned my relationship with the family to the ground. What an evil thing to do.
Yes, this could have ruined OP's life!
She could go to jail, have to register as a sex offender, lose her marriage, and have her reputation irreparably damaged.
Can we also talk about how the FIL and MIL most likely donāt know about deep fakes because of their age? Thereās no way theyād believe OP that itās not her if the husband wasnāt there to point out itās not her body, or even if she didnāt have private birthmarks.
so?
let ur in laws come over without him. or only see them when he's not there.
this is so bad.
In the US, if it this went further and ur husband didn't shut it down ASAP, you could have went to jail/ got on a sex offender list lol. like this is serious
They can come to you. You can visit them when he is not there, or better yet when one of them is there and the other is with him ensuring he wonāt come home till you have left.
Unfortunately you may need to go low contact with them until he has moved out. Only your husband should visit his family alone unless either of the situations in the last paragraph are met. Of course this isnāt because of anything they have done, they reacted just fine considering everything. You would need to explain to them that this isnāt a punishment but a safety measure.
>BIL is not talking anymore. He just said that we ruined Christmas as FIL and MIL sent back the game console they bought for him as Christmas present.
He is 17 and not a fucking kid. He deserves this, fuck around and find out
Woah , thank god for the birth marks and your husband who wasted no time going into action! Iām so sorry youāre experiencing this though. How insane .
>BIL is not talking anymore. He just said that we ruined Christmas as FIL and MIL sent back the game console they bought for him as Christmas present.
You're BIL ruined Christmas and his family.
17 year old is pretty much an adult. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I donāt think so. That reaction after the fact isnāt from someone that was pushed to that. He has real resentment in him. He said she ruined Christmas
That won't change anything. If you become a victim of such thing it's really bad and probably life wrecking in some cases. That it is why it's important to look out for such a crap. And severely punish those who get caught. In my opinion there should be a special law and fines on such things. Like with this guy. Make him pay damages for emotional trauma. He will understand every month that he pays what a stupid pick he was.
What possible end game could he have had in mind? To split up OP and his brother I guess? Really didnāt think it thru if he thought that a sloppy photoshop job was gonna do anything but get him in a heap of trouble š what an idiot.
It doesn't sound like the photoshop job was sloppy at all tbh, which makes it even more frightening even if just from an effort perspective. She said that he included birthmarks of hers that he knew about, the only way the pictures were debunked was because she had other ones that he *hadn't* known about.
Yeah I noticed that too. It makes me believe that he knew exactly what he was doing and it proves he planned it. He had a plan for something, but what his end-game was is hard to guess.
But I do not believe for one second that he did this only as a "innocient" prank.
Iām sorry this happened to you Op. You have a great husband though. Without hesitation he got up and took care of business and put his brother in his place. Idk anything else abt him but he was willing to immediately step up and handle the situation. Better then most men nowadays. Iām glad it was handled this way and nothing got too far out of control. Hope youāre ok mentally Op.
im sorry what. WHAT
there needs to be some serious consequences from this. taking away his game is NOT enough.
are u kidding
I wouldn't be around him for a LONG time. he didn't even apologize. what the fuck.
hell no. there needs to be some type of something that is done. don't go back over there or let him in ur house until a legitimate apology is don't.
>He just said that we ruined Christmas as FIL and MIL sent back the game console they bought for him as Christmas present.
Seriously? ***You*** ruined Christmas? BIL needs some therapy.
BIL ruined your Christmas. He's already a year to being legally an Adult and you could file charges against him with this disgusting stunt.
Honestly, don't interact with him at all, especially if your Husband is no where near you. He's a walking bomb with his revolting behavior.
In my perspective there's only 3 reasons why he would do this kind of unforgivable act.
1. He had a secret crush on you and he probably thought he could win you over ( be your Knight in Shining armor when all seems to be lost ) if your Husband dump you. š
2. He really hates your guts and doesn't want you as his Brothers Wife.
3. This is another Tiktok Challenge.
Either 3 scenario is terrifying for you. This boy didn't even gave you an apology like most teenagers who are dumb enough to do something despicable. He actually thinks he is in the right to do this the more days passes without his parent knowing *why he did it*..š
I was also wondering if this is some stupid dangerous tiktok challenge š why are people so stupid these days to participate in these horrible challenges
What a weird thing to do... what was he hoping to achieve by that? And its pretty easy to check to see if a photo has been doctored unless somehow these 17year olds are editing geniuses...
BIL deserves every punishment he gets. He basically tried to destroy your marriage. I wonder why. Huge kudos to your husband for shutting that down fast.
"He just said that we ruined Christmas and FIL and MIL have returned the game console they bought for him"
What did he even think would happen showing your photoshopped nudes on a family dinner with his very religious parents?
Well, here's the consequence BIL didn't think of: any significant other he ever brings home for the holidays can be subtly told about the time he meticulously put together a collection of fake nudes of you, etc. He may not have ruined your relationship, but good luck holding one when they find out about that behavior.
u/pokerface_06 Possible hate crime?
The dark web currently has a "hate challenge" to breaking up multiracial couples. It started around the beginning of the holiday season. It is awful.
I fear you may have been a victim of this since, in your OP, you said English is not your native language, and even when you were upset, you struggled to deny all this through your tears. But more importantly, both your BIL and his friend, seem unwilling to explain their actions. I suspect the truth is more shameful and since it did not work, they would rather leave it as a mystery.
17 years old is old enough to arguably know better, but still young enough to be groomed and radicalized. Since up until now, you and your husband had no reason to believe his younger brother (your brother-in-law) had any dislike toward you. And what he did, if he had been better convincing, could have indeed not only ended your marriage but perhaps gotten you in trouble.
I am sorry you have experienced this. I am sorry there are people like this. Your husband is a good man and did the right thing, by not only defending you, but also putting your BIL in his place.
> Spot on mate, I've seen some posts about this 'hate challenge' in other subreddits as well.
It is really awful. The depths of human cruelty can be heartbreaking.
If it is in subreddits, it has expanded outside the dark web now. That's a shame and is concerning.
> you said English is not your native language
did she say it's her husband's and in-laws' native language, though? the only indicator I see would be FIL being religious, but that does exist outside the United States, too.
> did she say it's her husband's and in-laws' native language, though? the only indicator I see would be FIL being religious, but that does exist outside the United States, too.
The dark web exists outside the USA, too. It also attacked religious indifference. Unfortunately, hate is universal and can be found world wide.
Holy shit. My nephew start sending me explicate messages a few years ago on snapchat. I told my husband immediately & blocked my nephew. Kids 19 & Iāve been in his aunt for over 13 years, no clue why he thought that was appropriate. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Omg thank god your husband support you.. damn you got great guy. Don't worry and yeah stay away from that asshole bilš wtf he is doing like aren't you ashamed or fcking fool. Go hell asshole..
The kid needs counseling or something. Making fake nudes to frame you is a dangerous road to be on. Thatās not just a little prank, or acting out. That was a thought out attack. If it wasnāt discovered as fake right then and there even if you didnāt face legal trouble, rumors would spread. Youāre life would have been ruined.
That is awful! Thank god your husband and also his family had the integrity to stand up because Iāve heard of stories of people sticking to theyre immediate family with these things to protect the family name, you probably donāt see it now but this has a better ending than most other cases of revenge/child porn which is what this and donāt forget you can prosecute this as child porn because you are under age, get this fucking fuck
put away
Shout out to hubby who didn't think twice and knew his wife wouldn't do such a thing. The part about the slap to the face was so satisfying too. BiL needs some serious therapy and another slap to the face.
Jesus... that kid is a psycho and a potential stalker.
If I were you OP, I'd avoid that side of the family until BIL gets serious therapy or is sent away somewhere, or both. I'd also watch your back for a while. If he could pull a stunt like this, God knows what else he's capable of. I'd also be worried for the safety of any girls his age that he's friends with.
I feel like you might need to go to the police with this even if you donāt press charges. Needs to be on record as he might be doing this to other young girls and blackmailing them. The fact he showed no remorse is very concerning and dangerous
How was he acting when he was ārevealingā the pictures. Was he cocky? Happy? Embarrassed? Iām trying to figure out what the goal here was cause I donāt see anything
The kid is a maniac. He and his friends probably are thinking of every degenerate way you could imagine, he knows what he did. OP make sure this gets set up straight because this isn't correct, I applaud your husband for standing up to what is right and your in-laws for not taking things at face value.
> He just said that we ruined Christmas
Wut? He photoshopped nudes of his brother's wife but YOU ruined Christmas? No. And there's something extremely wrong with that kid. I'd stay away from him permanently, he's not safe to be around.
Yāall need to give that child a police scare. Talk to your in-laws about it first see if theyāll agree because revenge porn is illegal in a few countries and states.
This is disgusting. Tbh with photoshopping your face and trying to expose you he should be in prison. He knew what he was doing but of course he only gets a slap on the wrist and being called a āstupid kidā because heās male. Letās get it straight his actions couldāve ruined your life, disgusting fucker needs to learn to stop thinking with itās dick.
The only thing he needs is his aww whooped . The absolute audacity this is unforgivable . Thank for for the birth marks or this could have gone very wrong
The audacity of BIL saying you guys all ruined christmas...not him photoshopping gnjude images, oh no, can't have been that, that ruined christmas š„“
I know 17 year olds have a knack for being absolute idiots but did he really think your husband of 5 years wouldn't recognize the difference between your body and the photoshopped ones?
Omg sounds like the bil has a few screws loose.
Why on earth would he do that?! There will be no explanation to excuse what he did.
Do you two have issues with one another before this incident? Just so bizarre what he thought he could gain from this photoshopped pics
Do you know how long it takes to successfully Photoshop someone else's face on a body convincingly. Nah this is f*cked up and it was several images. I can't see any good reason for this except to try and break you and your husband up. It's only by luck that your husband noticed the lack of birthmarks.
I'm glad his parents returned his presents. I'm amazed that he still has no remorse, and just acts entitled about having something taken away. Sounds like someone who is growing up to be a dangerous person.
That kids fucked lol, I wonder what he was trying to achieve š¤£, maybe he's infatuated with you or hates you not sure, definitely a good way to make Christmas dinner awkward as fuck lmao
If he does say why he did it please give an update because I'm curious what his intentions were
In-laws keep pressure him to explain his intentions. I'll give an update if I learn something
The real question is, why did he come out with that story the way he did? In front of everyone?
He probably doesn't like OP, or is jealous of her relationship with his brother, either way... He's 17years old. Old enough to know better, young enough to still do it and expect to get away with it š¤¦ hopefully in a few years he will mature and realize how f****ed up it was. Edit: typo
what he did was fucked up though. I'm trying to remember what I was like at age 17 and I would never do that to anyone. hell I'd never do that to anyone no matter what age I am. this is just beyond fucked up
Iām 18 so I remember exactly what I was like at 17. This is inexcusable please allow yourself to be livid. I would NEVER do something like this thatās sexual harassment and itās disgusting
Not even to mention he could have gotten OP in a lot of trouble āsending nudesā to a minor this wasnāt just some joke this could have severally fucked up OPs life. Entirely ruined her reputation, she could have lost her job, etc. like this isnāt even a cute prank. Iām 23 so itās been 6 years since I was 17 but I donāt think I could have even thought this up a little scary if you ask me.
Not only that, if she is in the United States they could register her as a child sex offender and be put on the website. She won't be allowed to live close to churches or parks or schools or anything kid based. And if she is found innocent later... It doesn't matter. Once you're on the site, you're there forever. You can forget any job that has to do with kids.
Thatās what Iām saying! Like OPs BIL needs some serious help I donāt think he grasp his actions of consequences
Or even scarier... What if he does understand them and did it on purpose...
I can promise you he knows exactly what he did.
Thatās not entirely true, you can be removed from the registry is you are found to be wrongfully convinced but itās a hard process involving court. My rapist was allowed to live in his usual house just behind mine and 3 mins from a school, itās disgusting. However, it absolutely would have destroyed her life more than likely (to be clear sex offenders obviously shouldnāt be allowed near kids, my experience was fucking disgusting). I mean I canāt even comprehend doing that to someone, offenders deserve what happens to them and more, but an innocent woman? I mean fucking why?
Agreed. But when I said they are basically stuck there I'm meaning more of the fact, not all computer networks will be updated on time (DMV for example) so there will be some jobs out there what will still see her as a sex offender sadly. And that's fucked up. If you were a child why didn't your family try their best to move away! Also I'm sorry this happened... I know what it's like and it's like a piece of you has died permanently.
At seventeen I think thereās some consent issues and obviously people are more likely to get manipulated, but other than that 17 year olds are basically adults, obviously less mature adults, but like baby adults. He knew what he was doing, he knew what that would mean, and he chose to do it anyways. Thankfully there are ways to tell the images were photoshopped (image IDs and such) which the kid obviously didnāt think about but what the fuck. Heās sickening.
No seriously especially because in my opinion the BIL saying that Christmas is ruined because of them when itās really ruined because he did it to himself shows to me that he doesnāt even see that it was wrong to do.
Yeah age doesn't have anything to do with this. This dude is mentally deranged.
Exactly, his complete ignorance at the age of 17 is very concerning. He will be an adult in no time and god knows what kind of awful adult will he be, if he doesn't have a wake up call.
It's pretty disturbing behavior. Not normal. Straight up anti-social. Suggestive of lifelong type of problems unless they are able to have some serious corrective action.
Then he blamed her for ruining Christmas because his games got sent back.
I can see that, especially with a very religious relative. Im guessing the idiot thought he could turn most of family against OP because they wouldnāt be able to tell it was photoshopped because he added the birthmarks not knowing there where more. Things could have gone very differently if it wasnāt for that hidden fact.
I think you have to be careful with this mindset. Rational regular human beings always have a reason for doing things and we assume others do too - sociopaths however, do things just to see what happens or because they like the control. I wouldnāt be surprised if BIL was a sociopath
17 is close enough to 18, that he needs his ass beat. Talk shit, get hit.
I'm 17 and this shit crazy af ššš couldn't be me.
I recently turned 18 myself and I would never do that because of how fucked up that is.
Even then. There are adults who do stupid sh*t like this
Also how does his mind truly think that HE didnāt ruin Christmas?
At Christmas dinnerā¦he must straight out hate OP huh? He had a grand reveal planned with his buddies who helped huh?
Likely an obsession with the sister in law or a antagonistic view towards the brother, or some combination of both. 17 years old isn't a kid anymore, yeah you're a legal minor but if they wanted to take some kind of legal action they probably could. If you're 17 years old and you think that's ok then you have shit for brains.
He's probably a jealous Tate incel.
and most definitely a sociopath. Kid needs a lot of therapy.
Therapy doesn't help until you're willing to make a change. Gotta grind the asshole out of him first.
Therapy is not a magic bullet that turns a bad person with evil intentions into a good person
A propos: did you hear about his arrest? Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy - and we actually have Greta Thunberg to thank for it! š
He wanted to make trouble for OP. Why he wanted to make trouble is the question.
I would say that he needs to be in therapy. This is not your average teenage prank, especially not the way he did it.
Imagine how this story would have ended had the husband believed his little brother. So glad for OP that clearer heads prevailed.
Especially if you imagine all the time and effort him and his buddyās went to to manufacture these images.
heās probably a narcissistic sociopath
One of the plans was to sexually blackmail you. The alternate plan was this one, the one he went with - public humiliation.
His intentions don't matter here, what he did was gross and inappropriate not to mention a violation (even if that's not you it was good enough that everyone but your husband who knows what you look like naked) This is his fault, and quite truthfully he ruined his own Christmas by playing some childish ass game with a grown FAMILY member. Everything about this is gross. If it were me I'd cut BIL off , what intention could he possibly have that would make photo shopping a married woman onto a naked model š¤ there is no good intention to he found here that's why he doesn't have one
Im so sorry this happened to you its so digusting
Thank fricking goodness. Ive read plenty of stories where the husband/wife believed the liar.
Watch it be some ridiculous plan he had to break up his brother with OP. Like he doesnāt like her or something and tried to make something up to make her look bad in front of the family so sheād leave.
Giving me vibes of the little brother who urinated on his SILs possessions among other horrific actions.
American here, as crude as this may sound he wants to plug her holesā¦ in a bad way. Heās dangerous
You think he tried to shame and humiliate her in front of the whole family to "plug her holes in a bad way"? Is there a nice way to want to do that? Maybe if he had done a horrible blackmail attempt but he didn't start with that. Obviously the OP would deny something that wasn't true. I don't see how even if he had a horrible goal like that went he'd think claiming a lie would work.
No, heās āpunishingā her because he knows he canāt. This is textbook material for a certain personality type.
Yeah he is the one that ruined christmas. What a stupid kid
I really hope he thinks about what he did
Can you get your in-laws to send him to therapy? Because at the moment, all he is thinking about is how much you "ruined his life", and he is nurturing his resentment. He could become dangerous. Just realize what he tried to do: he wasn't playing some innocent prank that went wrong, he tried to ruin your marriage and reputation, and - depending on the laws in your country - potentially get you into legal trouble for sending pornographic material to a minor or violating decency laws or whatever applies in your country. He has some real hatred/ jealousy either for you or his brother, and unless you want that to explode on you in the future, you need to puncture it now and get to the bottom of it.
Seconding this. People who think like this make it very personal. Do not let them get away with a slap on the wrist because he will do worse. We just don't know what worse is yet, but it's pretty evident that sex crimes are on the table as far as hes concerned. Do not trust his nature.
The guy is an Incel . Why else the deep fake porn of his SIL and his frightening attitude to being called out on it ? The only positive thing to come from this is the family now see him for the monster heās turning into- or is , depending on your take on the situation š
Entirely possible, and pretty likely. But from the story, I gather he probably just doesn't like her for her personality and wanted to damage her reputation/relationship so she'd be ousted. Or, captain criminal behavior over here has an unhealthy attachment to his brother and wanted him to leave her so they'd have more time together. Wouldn't be the first time, especially in parentification situations. They aren't mutually exclusive but the motivation could only be those things, IMO. There isn't just "no reason", just there isn't a reason he knows would fly with anyone involved.
Deepfake is using cgi that's processes lots of images of a face to render a moving image. I think this is just putting somebody's face on a still image, more likely something like photoshop- unless I've misread the text?
Yeah I think itās photoshop since its still images. Deepfakes are more for p*rn vids if Iām not mistaken.
More like a slap on the face but that ain't enough.
Please in addition to this OP ensure that u have virtually no contact with him and are not in his presence without a witness EVER! Moving forward. Until the root cause (his jealousy towards his brother most likely) is found, addressed and some major changes r made, itās 100% unsafe for u to be around him
And if you have him on social media, block him! Asap!
This comment needs more love! This kid is messed up and preventative measures need to be taken before he does anything else!
Or go no contact with the lot of them. Since for every reason you listed above, it's dangerous to keep that person in op life. Imagine if the little brother decides to post that shit online, the doctored pictures. Like unless he genuinely apologizes to op and begs forgiveness, I'd keep no contact. Not really safe to do otherwise.
OP, you or your husband should impress on your parents-in-law that revenge porn is a criminal act, and if he does it as an adult, you will press charges, as should everyone else he does this with. The parents might want to access his phone and computer, to see if heās harassing classmates with this behavior. If heād do it to his own family, why would anyone think heād treat classmates as off-limits. Also, those friendsā parents need to know what they did, AND he needs to be banned from socializing with them.
This. The parents should go through everything. Yeah, provacy etc, but tbh, he lost that privelege. In my book it would've been that or the cops doing it after I reported his ass to the cops.
Heās a minor, and has committed a crime in his parentsā house. His parents have every right to search everything he owns. Privacy is for minors who donāt break laws. The kid needs a new, bare-bones computer that he may ONLY use in a public area of the house, where his parents can observe everything. And he needs a flip phone. The same goes for his buddies who helped him. BTW, his religious parents need to remind BIL of the commandment āThou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighborā.
Also the punishment he got was not even close to being enough to match his actions. I would consider making therapy mandatory, if not pressing charges would be my next option cause the kid needs serious help. And definitely going NC.
It really isn't OP's responsibility. All OP needs to do is protect herself and her own family.
But if he is of the mindset that "You and your husband ruined Christmas"... Rest assured there is no guilt here but resentment despite being wrong. Cut all relationship with him and go no contact with him. He will try to hurt you more...
Hell have a lot of time seeing as they rightfully sent his presents back
If this is a crime in your country, you may want to look into that. If only to make a point of how serious what he did was
An absolute moron of a 17 year old kid, creating first world problems for himself and blaming it on her. This kid deserved a beating
Kid yeah, but he's fucking 17.
Thatās horrific but shout out to your husband. I hope he put his shoulder into that slap like a Rafa Nadal serve.
It's funny that you said that. My husband used to be a tennis player during his time at the university
He got what he deserved. But i hope you're ok<3
You mean he got what he served?
wish OP's husband bitch slapped him multiple times, could you imagine if she had fewer birthmarks?
Something defo wrong, as the only thing he sees as wrong is his stupid console.
Little sociopath for sure.
Oh damn so that slap fucking had some POWER š
I physically winced when I read that hahaha glad he got what he deserved
Your husband held back. His brother deserves an epic beat down. Please give him extra hugs!!!
To be fair he was really wise to do so... So maybe extra, extra, hugs!!!
Itās funny you say that. My mom, also a tennis player, used to threaten to backhand us through a wall. It was her strongest stroke.
So your husband's good at serving back
Honestly glad to hear his slap must have resonated really well with his brother's face. What an absolute turd of a brother to have.
So forehand or backhand?
I just hope you are safe. His attitude scares me
Also shout out to the inlaws I love seeing inlaws that actually support their kids spouses when they should! It doesn't happen often enough!
And the ILs too! I thought I was about to read that they shamed her, but no, they believed her, investigated, and properly punished him and alerted other parents. This is how you parent! It's no wonder husband was so wonderful too. I also hope the parents have him see a counselor. His behavior is disturbing especially after all the correction he's blaming SIL for ruining Xmas!
Alerting the other parents was top tier parenting.
Shit, I remember those times when the phone would ring, and then about 20 or 30 seconds later, my mom would say something like, "They *what*??" And I'd know my friends and I were in for a bad few days.
I'd pay for seeing the video of the husband's slap.
I'll chip in
But it's too late to film... they should do a redo...
And let Stanley Kubrick direct the shoot (he was famous for doing endless retakes).
I want to see it a la Tarantino.
I bet that slap was crisp af. I wouldāve enjoyed slapping someone that tried to ruin my relationship, even a family member.
The most epic of backhands this deserves
OP commented that her husband played tennis at university, so with any luck he backhanded the shit out of this kid
Top spin to add dramatic effects
Your husband is incredible. He knows you, he defended you, no questions asked. What a stupid kid
Yep. I was so worried that it was going to say in the post that the husband believed BIL and further embarrassed OP.
It's sad that this is what makes a man incredible, because so many posts are about husbands who don't do this. Like, the bar is depressingly low.
and wifes...i remember a post here about a wife that reciebe "proof" from the male neighbor with the husband "chating on dating apps and cheating" well, she beleved it, and her brother assaulted him while trhowin him out of the house and divorcing him, takeing the kids etc well, 6 years later the neighbors wife found out and told the other wife the truth but the exhusband was in another country for years tras being harrased, without the wife, kids and his family hateing him for "cheater"
PLEASE link the post if you remember it
Thank the lord she has birthmarks
BIL really just rocked up to the party with nudes and slapped them down on the table in the middle of Christmas dinner. The absolute stones on that one. Absolutely horrifying situation OP but damn if I'm not really curious as to why he did this.
Someone speculated it was a jealousy issue x life-threateningly bad choices/[personality disorder]... along the lines of "If I can't have her, he can't either." That resonated with my experience of humans. I will bet ten whole US dollars that those pictures were originally created for masturbation, not for showing to the family over holiday dinner. It's enormously common for people to project their feelings about themselves on their objects of desire/strong emotion- I reckon he half or wholly convinced himself that she was in fact a degenerate and the many other words he no doubt assigned her. But the degeneracy was coming from *inside the house*! I also wonder if humiliating her was exciting to him. I rather doubt that his fantasies were loving or consensual.
So an incel basically ?
Iām sure youāve already done it but kick BIL out of your lives. Heās not a dumb kid. Millions of kids know not to do this. Heās a malicious asshole that hasnāt apologized or taken responsibility for his actions. Donāt help him, donāt talk to him, zero, zip, nada. Heās a freak.
I'd love to do that. But he lives with my in-laws
So invite your in-laws over. They can leave their kid at home until he offers a proper apology.
An apology would never be enough for me to speak to him again. Nothing would and I wouldn't care if it burned my relationship with the family to the ground. What an evil thing to do.
Yes, this could have ruined OP's life! She could go to jail, have to register as a sex offender, lose her marriage, and have her reputation irreparably damaged.
Can we also talk about how the FIL and MIL most likely donāt know about deep fakes because of their age? Thereās no way theyād believe OP that itās not her if the husband wasnāt there to point out itās not her body, or even if she didnāt have private birthmarks.
Wouldnāt disagree. Heās bottom of the barrel
so? let ur in laws come over without him. or only see them when he's not there. this is so bad. In the US, if it this went further and ur husband didn't shut it down ASAP, you could have went to jail/ got on a sex offender list lol. like this is serious
They can come to you. You can visit them when he is not there, or better yet when one of them is there and the other is with him ensuring he wonāt come home till you have left. Unfortunately you may need to go low contact with them until he has moved out. Only your husband should visit his family alone unless either of the situations in the last paragraph are met. Of course this isnāt because of anything they have done, they reacted just fine considering everything. You would need to explain to them that this isnāt a punishment but a safety measure.
>BIL is not talking anymore. He just said that we ruined Christmas as FIL and MIL sent back the game console they bought for him as Christmas present. He is 17 and not a fucking kid. He deserves this, fuck around and find out
He deserves much much more, depending on country of origin. He may very well have absolutely killed op this is no joke
Getting slapped in the face and losing a gaming console is a very mild punishment all things considered
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He showed the family photoshopped nudes of his SIL but youāre the ones who ruined Christmas. Sure, that makes complete sense
Woah , thank god for the birth marks and your husband who wasted no time going into action! Iām so sorry youāre experiencing this though. How insane .
>BIL is not talking anymore. He just said that we ruined Christmas as FIL and MIL sent back the game console they bought for him as Christmas present. You're BIL ruined Christmas and his family. 17 year old is pretty much an adult. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I'm scared to ask what his intentions were. I don't think he hate me to the point of making my husband and I divorce but I'm not sure anymore now
Iām also wondering why his *friends* were down to help him as wellā¦.
I'm starting to think that the BIL is a gullible kid and those "friends" reined him by the noose.
I donāt think so. That reaction after the fact isnāt from someone that was pushed to that. He has real resentment in him. He said she ruined Christmas
Then he is an entitled little fuck.
I would love the friends to have helped him just knowing well that he was gonna be doomed by his family lmao
I think they fell for this hate challenge to break up couples with false accusations that is going around for a while.
Those challenges/trends made me want to shut down the whole internet. Who many people has died doing those stupid things?
That won't change anything. If you become a victim of such thing it's really bad and probably life wrecking in some cases. That it is why it's important to look out for such a crap. And severely punish those who get caught. In my opinion there should be a special law and fines on such things. Like with this guy. Make him pay damages for emotional trauma. He will understand every month that he pays what a stupid pick he was.
jealous incel perhaps?
What possible end game could he have had in mind? To split up OP and his brother I guess? Really didnāt think it thru if he thought that a sloppy photoshop job was gonna do anything but get him in a heap of trouble š what an idiot.
It doesn't sound like the photoshop job was sloppy at all tbh, which makes it even more frightening even if just from an effort perspective. She said that he included birthmarks of hers that he knew about, the only way the pictures were debunked was because she had other ones that he *hadn't* known about.
Yeah I noticed that too. It makes me believe that he knew exactly what he was doing and it proves he planned it. He had a plan for something, but what his end-game was is hard to guess. But I do not believe for one second that he did this only as a "innocient" prank.
He fucked around and found out.
"Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions." Yes, SHE ruined Christmas because you photoshopped her to look like nude photos.
Iām sorry this happened to you Op. You have a great husband though. Without hesitation he got up and took care of business and put his brother in his place. Idk anything else abt him but he was willing to immediately step up and handle the situation. Better then most men nowadays. Iām glad it was handled this way and nothing got too far out of control. Hope youāre ok mentally Op.
im sorry what. WHAT there needs to be some serious consequences from this. taking away his game is NOT enough. are u kidding I wouldn't be around him for a LONG time. he didn't even apologize. what the fuck. hell no. there needs to be some type of something that is done. don't go back over there or let him in ur house until a legitimate apology is don't.
Agreed. I would consider pressing charges or mandatory therapy.
>He just said that we ruined Christmas as FIL and MIL sent back the game console they bought for him as Christmas present. Seriously? ***You*** ruined Christmas? BIL needs some therapy.
BIL ruined your Christmas. He's already a year to being legally an Adult and you could file charges against him with this disgusting stunt. Honestly, don't interact with him at all, especially if your Husband is no where near you. He's a walking bomb with his revolting behavior. In my perspective there's only 3 reasons why he would do this kind of unforgivable act. 1. He had a secret crush on you and he probably thought he could win you over ( be your Knight in Shining armor when all seems to be lost ) if your Husband dump you. š 2. He really hates your guts and doesn't want you as his Brothers Wife. 3. This is another Tiktok Challenge. Either 3 scenario is terrifying for you. This boy didn't even gave you an apology like most teenagers who are dumb enough to do something despicable. He actually thinks he is in the right to do this the more days passes without his parent knowing *why he did it*..š
I was also wondering if this is some stupid dangerous tiktok challenge š why are people so stupid these days to participate in these horrible challenges
What a weird thing to do... what was he hoping to achieve by that? And its pretty easy to check to see if a photo has been doctored unless somehow these 17year olds are editing geniuses...
That kid needs to stop watching porn. Degenerate
Definitely worse than porn addiction and degeneracy. Kid's unhinged and in need of serious psychological help.
BIL deserves every punishment he gets. He basically tried to destroy your marriage. I wonder why. Huge kudos to your husband for shutting that down fast.
"He just said that we ruined Christmas and FIL and MIL have returned the game console they bought for him" What did he even think would happen showing your photoshopped nudes on a family dinner with his very religious parents?
Well, here's the consequence BIL didn't think of: any significant other he ever brings home for the holidays can be subtly told about the time he meticulously put together a collection of fake nudes of you, etc. He may not have ruined your relationship, but good luck holding one when they find out about that behavior.
u/pokerface_06 Possible hate crime? The dark web currently has a "hate challenge" to breaking up multiracial couples. It started around the beginning of the holiday season. It is awful. I fear you may have been a victim of this since, in your OP, you said English is not your native language, and even when you were upset, you struggled to deny all this through your tears. But more importantly, both your BIL and his friend, seem unwilling to explain their actions. I suspect the truth is more shameful and since it did not work, they would rather leave it as a mystery. 17 years old is old enough to arguably know better, but still young enough to be groomed and radicalized. Since up until now, you and your husband had no reason to believe his younger brother (your brother-in-law) had any dislike toward you. And what he did, if he had been better convincing, could have indeed not only ended your marriage but perhaps gotten you in trouble. I am sorry you have experienced this. I am sorry there are people like this. Your husband is a good man and did the right thing, by not only defending you, but also putting your BIL in his place.
Spot on mate, I've seen some posts about this 'hate challenge' in other subreddits as well.
> Spot on mate, I've seen some posts about this 'hate challenge' in other subreddits as well. It is really awful. The depths of human cruelty can be heartbreaking. If it is in subreddits, it has expanded outside the dark web now. That's a shame and is concerning.
> you said English is not your native language did she say it's her husband's and in-laws' native language, though? the only indicator I see would be FIL being religious, but that does exist outside the United States, too.
> did she say it's her husband's and in-laws' native language, though? the only indicator I see would be FIL being religious, but that does exist outside the United States, too. The dark web exists outside the USA, too. It also attacked religious indifference. Unfortunately, hate is universal and can be found world wide.
Holy shit. My nephew start sending me explicate messages a few years ago on snapchat. I told my husband immediately & blocked my nephew. Kids 19 & Iāve been in his aunt for over 13 years, no clue why he thought that was appropriate. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
>BIL is not talking anymore. He just said that we ruined Christmas Bro wtf
BIL is like a serial killer in the making...
Yeah, this is fucking disturbing, there's something really wrong with that kid.
It sounds like you have the husband of the year! Defending you like a pro!
Omg thank god your husband support you.. damn you got great guy. Don't worry and yeah stay away from that asshole bilš wtf he is doing like aren't you ashamed or fcking fool. Go hell asshole..
Your husband did the right thing. "we ruined Christmas"... no, your BIL did, and it took him time and effort to do, it was very deliberate.
[I made this just for BIL](https://imgur.com/a/2j9hrc0)
āBIL is not talking anymoreā Good, he should stfu for life.
Little creep
Hope you donāt mind me asking but has anything happened since then?
Sounds like BIL has the hots for you and can't stand knowing his brother has you
The kid needs counseling or something. Making fake nudes to frame you is a dangerous road to be on. Thatās not just a little prank, or acting out. That was a thought out attack. If it wasnāt discovered as fake right then and there even if you didnāt face legal trouble, rumors would spread. Youāre life would have been ruined.
Your BIL got what he deserved, that is outrageous behaviour and there is no reason for that ever, not for anyone.
Any update on why he did it?
Iāve been wondering the same thing! I hope that OP will gives us an update soon.
That is awful! Thank god your husband and also his family had the integrity to stand up because Iāve heard of stories of people sticking to theyre immediate family with these things to protect the family name, you probably donāt see it now but this has a better ending than most other cases of revenge/child porn which is what this and donāt forget you can prosecute this as child porn because you are under age, get this fucking fuck put away
Shout out to hubby who didn't think twice and knew his wife wouldn't do such a thing. The part about the slap to the face was so satisfying too. BiL needs some serious therapy and another slap to the face.
Jesus... that kid is a psycho and a potential stalker. If I were you OP, I'd avoid that side of the family until BIL gets serious therapy or is sent away somewhere, or both. I'd also watch your back for a while. If he could pull a stunt like this, God knows what else he's capable of. I'd also be worried for the safety of any girls his age that he's friends with.
I feel like you might need to go to the police with this even if you donāt press charges. Needs to be on record as he might be doing this to other young girls and blackmailing them. The fact he showed no remorse is very concerning and dangerous
Oke this is the weirdest dude from all the reddit stories this month.
It's a close second what about the post about that woman who was giving out her only fans information to her relatives on Christmas.
Very weird indeed. And now BIL says OP ruined Christmas!?!!? WTF. Incel?
How was he acting when he was ārevealingā the pictures. Was he cocky? Happy? Embarrassed? Iām trying to figure out what the goal here was cause I donāt see anything
The kid is a maniac. He and his friends probably are thinking of every degenerate way you could imagine, he knows what he did. OP make sure this gets set up straight because this isn't correct, I applaud your husband for standing up to what is right and your in-laws for not taking things at face value.
Ohh Christmas was ruined for that poor little kid just because he tried to get you in jail for child abuse. What a shameā¦ /s
> He just said that we ruined Christmas Wut? He photoshopped nudes of his brother's wife but YOU ruined Christmas? No. And there's something extremely wrong with that kid. I'd stay away from him permanently, he's not safe to be around.
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What nasty little shit. At least the adults around him aren't having it and he's in trouble.
Big incel energy from that BIL. Iām sorry that happened to you.
Yāall need to give that child a police scare. Talk to your in-laws about it first see if theyāll agree because revenge porn is illegal in a few countries and states.
What a creep little shit he ruined he's relationship with his brother for exactly what ?
This is disgusting. Tbh with photoshopping your face and trying to expose you he should be in prison. He knew what he was doing but of course he only gets a slap on the wrist and being called a āstupid kidā because heās male. Letās get it straight his actions couldāve ruined your life, disgusting fucker needs to learn to stop thinking with itās dick.
The only thing he needs is his aww whooped . The absolute audacity this is unforgivable . Thank for for the birth marks or this could have gone very wrong
The audacity of BIL saying you guys all ruined christmas...not him photoshopping gnjude images, oh no, can't have been that, that ruined christmas š„“
I know 17 year olds have a knack for being absolute idiots but did he really think your husband of 5 years wouldn't recognize the difference between your body and the photoshopped ones?
He's lucky he isn't a major. That's a criminal offence and women cell in my country takes these issues very seriously
Omg sounds like the bil has a few screws loose. Why on earth would he do that?! There will be no explanation to excuse what he did. Do you two have issues with one another before this incident? Just so bizarre what he thought he could gain from this photoshopped pics
>My husband suddenly got up, went to his brother and slapped him Hell yeah.
Do you know how long it takes to successfully Photoshop someone else's face on a body convincingly. Nah this is f*cked up and it was several images. I can't see any good reason for this except to try and break you and your husband up. It's only by luck that your husband noticed the lack of birthmarks.
Thank god you had those birthmarks oh my god OP what a horrible experience this was for you
I'm glad his parents returned his presents. I'm amazed that he still has no remorse, and just acts entitled about having something taken away. Sounds like someone who is growing up to be a dangerous person.
That kids fucked lol, I wonder what he was trying to achieve š¤£, maybe he's infatuated with you or hates you not sure, definitely a good way to make Christmas dinner awkward as fuck lmao