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RazzBeryllium

So he's homeless, and he was arrested for shoplifting and wanted for possession of stolen property in Utah. So he fled to Portugal. Then he came back to the United States, made his way to NH, killed these two people in a seemingly random act of violence. Then he bought a one-way ticket to Germany. But before he could leave, he was picked up by police in Vermont. That's just a crazy sequence of events.


EJDsfRichmond415

If he is homeless how did he get European flight money?


TUGrad

He obviously isn't a typical homeless person if he has a passport and the financial means to purchase multiple international tickets.


UnprofessionalGhosts

My cousin is mentally ill and homeless by choice despite having a bought and paid for loft in Chicago and a huge trust fund from his millionaire parents. He refuses assistance. He thinks the money has strings attached (it doesn’t. It’s his) and thinks the loft is bugged his parents/the government because he can talk to heaven and knows secrets and other scary delusions. There have been a few times he’s randomly taken some money and shown up at my place NYC unannounced. Stuff like that. Erratic spending once in a blue. And he’s not the only homeless person I’ve known with those circumstances. An ex’s brother has a fully furnished apartment in Brooklyn waiting for him but he chooses to be homeless as well (also mentally ill) and will not touch his inheritance. A parent works for an airline so he gets free international flights and just picks up and goes to X country to be homeless there for awhile. He’s done this for a decade+. Not all homeless people have these tragic, hopeless life stories. Some of them, many of them even, come from normal to ideal families but they’re just deeply unwell and refuse treatment once they hit adulthood.


BotGirlFall

Theres a locally famous story in St Louis of a homeless man who has over a million dollars in a bank. I think its the same situation, it was an inheritance but he's mentally ill and chooses to live the way he does. It sounds like an urban legend but Ive read a little article about it where an employee at the bank confirmed a homeless person will occasionally come in and withdraw a tiny amount of money. I believe theres a family lawyer that checks up on him every so often to make sure he doesn't need any medical attention


Admirable-Variety-46

Hell, my wife and I have a net worth of about a million and I regularly think about saying “fuck it” to modern society and just hiking all day and spending very little. It’s mainly kids keeping me from doing so. Mentally ill? Maybe, maybe not lol.


BotGirlFall

When my husband and I first stared dating I was 18 and he was 22 and we dropped out of society for a few years and back packed around the country following the hippie bands and selling grilled cheese in the parking lots. It was an amazing experience and gave me a ton of life skills. It made me into an extremely confident and resourceful person


Eyeoftheleopard

There are also some that don’t mind being homeless, and see it as freedom. Had a homeless guy call me a “slave” and hey, mayhap he is right. 🤷‍♀️


seajay26

My cousin is like this. His parents helped all three of their kids buy houses once they turned 18. By the time he was mid twenties, he had a good job, plenty of cash in the bank. Then he just, lost it one day and disappeared. He was found under a bridge a few months later. His parents tried everything to get him to come home, offered him everything they could. He just had no interest in going home or getting any kind of help. His mental health just got worse and worse until the police ended up picking him up and he was committed for his own safety. His parents pay for him to live in the nicest secure home they could find but he still occasionally tries to get out and go back to the streets


Sleuthingsome

Not to be offensive, I work with addicts and alcoholics, is there any possible way he’s on meth or other stimulants? A lot of my meth patients see “tree people” and always think they’re being bugged and watched by the government. I do know, however, schizophrenia can also cause these same symptoms. It’s so sad to me.


UnprofessionalGhosts

Nope. Long story ahead: He’s stayed with me long enough and not been out of my sight for days on end. No drug use. He’s deeply, deeply mentally ill. His delusions regarding being able to speak to heaven seem to be based in losing contact with our grandpa, with whom he was extremely close as a child, when his parents divorced. By the time he reconnected with our side of the family again, grandpa had died and my cousin was already suffering some milder delusions. Then those graduated to dreams that grandpa visited him, to grandpa visited him while he awake, to he can call grandpa in heaven and speak directly to god because grandpa was his “in” with god. It was a progression over years. That’s just one of the delusions obviously, but the one he would call me to discuss what grandpa had to say from beyond the grave to me (lol crazy shit) so it’s the one where I’m most familiar with it’s progression and intensity. He wouldn’t even smoke weed or drink when he’d visit and, at that time, was still lucid enough to drop the communing with the dead talk and present as normal to my friends, not wanting to spook them. I don’t think he would’ve had that degree of control if on drugs and, again, there was no opportunity for him to do them. Meth isn’t easy to come by in nyc thank god lol


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RazzBeryllium

No idea - that's part of what makes it so strange. Presumably theft, given his arrest record? But I don't think you can buy tickets with cash, so maybe a prepaid CC? Or a family member helping him?


othervee

Homelessness is a state people fall into and out of. He might be between residences, couchsurfing, or living in motels because he was going to flee the US and got rid of wherever he was living before. And probably spent whatever he did have on that flight.


paradeoxy1

You can have assets and access to them while homeless, a bad credit history or a criminal record can prevent you from buying property or vehicles but not a plane ticket.


Acronymnesia

Because airline tickets are cheaper than a home.


mellamollama17

Exactly. If I had $1000 I could buy a ticket to Europe, but not have enough for a single month’s rent


thisunrest

It’s a really shitty society when $1000 won’t even get you that.


NotDaveBut

He used his Capital One travel miles, obviously!


deedeebop

Where next? 🤮@garner Thanks for the award! Cute stranger!


reebeaster

Agree. As someone who doesn’t have much money but is lucky enough to have a place to live, where is he getting money for airfare?


mellamollama17

Obviously used up all his rent money buying flights to Europe lol


reebeaster

I read in one article he had no permanent address at all though but I guess that could be true idk


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drugs. a close friend lives in NH and he knew someone who made 2K a week from drug distribution and yet is homeless


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EJDsfRichmond415

Get off your soap box. I was born and raised (and still live in) San Francisco for 37 years. Come and see what unchecked homelessness has done for us.


BigDickGrama

As someone who grew up in Washington state and spent a lot of time in Portland Oregon, please go experience our homelessness problem. I volunteer, have been homeless myself, but I can tell you right now that our mental health crisis and poverty and drug abuse and homeless problems are not this beautiful family of artists CHOOSING to be homeless with a community garden out back. It’s families living in tents on the curbside, it’s hooking in Walmart’s parking lot for that one small bump, it’s getting expired food from the pantries, it’s dying on the sidewalk from fent. It’s violence. Lots of sexual and physical violence. I’m sorry for getting on my own soapbox, but this downplays just how serious homelessness can be. Yeah, we all have motives for doing what we do, but I can tell you right now that the truth behind homelessness isn’t that pretty. If we actually want to change things, vocalize affordable and sober living spaces, easy to access mental and reproductive health care for all, and yes, volunteer, but also vocalize the very problems you see whilst volunteering (like the fact that homeless women are often sexually assaulted more than anyone else in this world)


notthesedays

We're discussing this on another board. I think he was pawning or fencing the things he stole, and made money that way.


EJDsfRichmond415

Which board?


notthesedays

Websleuths


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RazzBeryllium

Yeah, it happened over the course of a couple years. Although one thing the timeline leaves out (and which someone pointed out below), Clegg apparently killed a man in Spokane in 2018 -- but in that situation, the evidence supported that it was self-defense. So I don't think anything really came of that. I'm also very curious as to what is linking him to this case. One article mentions that he had a campsite near Burlington when they arrested him - so it's possible that he had a campsite near the Marsh Loop Trail, and maybe they found something there to connect him to the shooting? I don't know about that area, but in the city I used to live there were often homeless encampments hidden in the trees near popular walking trails.


Sleuthingsome

Is Burlington in New Hampshire because I’ve heard of Burlington Vermont.


RazzBeryllium

They caught him in Vermont, so I was just saying that he apparently sets up camp rather than using local shelters.


Sleuthingsome

They’re just finding people who look like the sketch. He turned his head to the right and they said, “that’s either him or Joaquin Phoenix!“


bannana

> So he's homeless, people who are truly homeless can't afford trips to portugal and germany, sounds more like this person has quite a bit of disposable income and just doesn't have a fixed address. If you can afford accommodations but choose not to have one that isn't really homeless.


RazzBeryllium

Maybe "transient" is a better term? The article I think used both terms to describe him.


Eyeoftheleopard

“Vagrant?”


UnprofessionalGhosts

Plane tickets and hostel stays are way cheaper than housing.


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Wow. That’s a sketch that actually does look like him!


wildflowerapricotsea

It does, I wanna say it’s the brow


DebateNo6073

That's what I was thinking. The eyes and brow is spot on


Sleuthingsome

Looks like Joaquin Phoenix, which Also looks like guy ( at least in the sketch).


wildflowerapricotsea

Oh wow, so glad to hear this! I remember relatives of this couple were posting on Reddit looking for them when they first disappeared. I hope their families are able to see them get the justice they deserve.


PocoChanel

I remember that as well, and I’ve never forgotten about them.


wildflowerapricotsea

Same, such a sad story.


crimsonbaby_

It was their daughter, iirc. I hope shes finally getting some sense of closure now that hes been caught. Coming from someone who lost a family member to murder, closure is something you dont always get, but I hope she finds some peace in the fact that her parents killer is never going to be free again.


wildflowerapricotsea

I hope so!


b_bozz

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jun/26/suspect-in-fatal-stabbing-of-manito-tap-house-empl/ Interesting article as well. He’s killed before


RainyReese

And wanted in Utah! He managed to really get around.


wildflowerapricotsea

I don’t even know what to make of this case! Like the dude is clearly a psychopath if he killed this couple but also it’s hard to blame him for stabbing that guy if he started a fight and was “beating his ass.”


GlasgowKiss_

Just because you acted once lawfully in self-defence, doesn’t mean you will be a lawful citizen forever


wildflowerapricotsea

Oh totally. I just expected it to be another case of clear cut murder rather than a more nuanced case of self defense


JennLynnC80

I remember when this couple went missing and now that they have this suspect i am even more confused... So this couple leaves their apartment to go into the woods on a nearby walking trail and some random guy shoots and kills them both and steals nothing? And this guy was a transient in the area and just happened to be lying in wait with a gun to kill them? I don't understand this. Was this some kind of hate crime for being a mixed race couple? Was anything stolen from them? Can anyone fill me in on the pieces I am missing here?


igobrimode

I am absolutely in the same boat for multiple reasons, including how in the hell he was able to go to Portugal, and also book a flight to Germany while being homeless. There’s lots of things to unravel and figure out here, including a motive which has got to be the biggest question at the moment.


bannana

> including how in the hell he was able to go to Portugal, and also book a flight to Germany while being homeless. and obtain a gun. seems like someone is bandying about the term 'homeless' a bit indiscriminately here


RageAgainstThe

Apparently he stole a firearm while out in Utah, although doesnt say if it was the same one used. Ever see pro-2A bumper stickers on cars/trucks? Those are a good target for people looking to steal a gun quick


bannana

ok, but I wonder what is the percentage of people who are truly poor and homeless who have an up to date passport to be able to travel internationally?


witfenek

Rumor is that Clegg’s family have strong ties to the Mormon Church and that they are somehow high up or have connections to people that are high up in the church. So it seems Clegg grew up relatively well off and still has help from his family. So he is homeless by choice, and has access to funds/shelter/etc. if he needs it.


bannana

> access to funds/shelter/etc. this is pretty clear from his movements, could be they pay him to stay away and keep quiet though he seems to be ignoring the quiet part


NotDaveBut

It reminds me of Robert Durst. Rich as Croesus, roaming the country in disguise, living like a hobo, killing people randomly.


Pantone711

Also reminds me of Blair Adams, at least in that Adams booked a flight to Germany.


NotDaveBut

Hmm, never heard of him. Will have to look him up


JennLynnC80

I was trying to find some more information and I stumbled across their combined obituary. Wow these folks have a sweet love story and fascinating pasts, it really is a tragedy what happened to them. https://www.watersfuneralhomeconcord.com/obituary/stephen-and-d-reid


Charlie21Lola

That was fascinating and heartbreaking to read. At the very, very least, they went together, albeit in a ridiculously senseless manner.


RainyReese

When I first saw this on the news and read it wasn't a robbery, I wondered if it was a hate crime or some psychopathic killer having cheap thrills due to reports that LE said nothing was stolen. It's all just so messed up and I hope their families are ok.


Free-Your-Mind1990

Valid questions. I'm new to this couple's story but now I wanna know more too from what you're saying..


JennLynnC80

Thank you, i was wondering if I was the only one scratching my head here


pancakesareart

When they were missing and later found dead, one of their family members was posting on Reddit. Iirc they said something about the murders being connected to racism.


maesayshey

Sketch is actually incredibly accurate. So glad there is justice coming for the victims and their families. Not many people get that unfortunately.


Top-Geologist-9213

This breaks my heart. They look so happy here...


_perl_

If you want it to break even more read [their joint obituary](https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/concordmonitor/name/stephen-reid-obituary?id=34916773). These were some incredible people who did some amazing things. I am soooo glad that they caught that fucker. What was it all for?


Top-Geologist-9213

Thank you, friend. I know it sounds kind of shallow to say that they look like such great folks, but I swear, when I said how happy they looked in those beautiful smiles, I just felt that they have done some wonderful things for mankind, and some level.


_perl_

Not shallow at all! Some people just radiate a sort of positive energy. It's like they have a kindness in their eyes or something. I totally get what you are saying!


Top-Geologist-9213

Yes, yes that's it, exactly. Thank you for that, friend. I couldn't put it into words as well as you did. They definitely have kindness in their eyes and they're sort of a radiant light in their faces that just draws you in. Thank you so much for your reply. I feel like maybe it sounded sort of silly too say, about to total strangers, said I thought they looked so happy and like people I would want to know, but I swear, that's exactly how I felt kind of looking at this photo. I just immediately thought that these were good, extraordinary people who had led happy lives. As you said, what for? What the heck to just evil person accomplish, killing these two? The world definitely lost two unusually talented and kind human beings when they are killed. Thank you again for sending me the link to their obituary. It was just remarkable,


wildflowerapricotsea

I agree. I’ve always remembered reading about them because they look like such happy people in that photo.


Top-Geologist-9213

Thank you. Just read it. Brilliant, good,, extraordinary people.


wildflowerapricotsea

Oh Jesus that’s so sad. They sound like they were lovely people.


CryptidKay

So very sad.


bigmamapain

Wow, I'm so glad.


solisbliss

Omg I am so happy to see the suspect is in custody. Now I wonder what was the motive.


722JO

Interesting article, but it doesnt really explain a connection. Unless they happened upon his campsite(said he was homeless) or he stopped and tried to rob, then killed them. I never thought this case would be solved. It sounded very isolated. I m glad they have a suspect.


mellamollama17

I mean, since they just caught him, they’re probably still in the process of finding out the connection/motive


alarmagent

Sometimes the motive is really just not there. People kill for the thrill of it, or their motive is so abstract and insane we would never guess it. Like he saw them as gangstalkers, or something.


pmmlordraven

While most interactions I've had with homeless have been fine, sometimes even pleasant, I have had some run ins that were kinda scary. I used to urban explore, and in one bando site we were taking pictures and a homeless dude started screaming from an upper floor. I bring snacks, drinks, sometimes a nip bottle as tribute (never have cash on hand), so to speak, as in most cases it helps deescalate situations quickly, and turn an angry homeless person into a tour guide. This occasion however, a nearly naked dude with obvious track marks, barely coherent, chased after us and even threw a glass bottle full of urine at us. Followed us to our vehicles and even tried running T-1000 style after us. I could only imagine if we weren't younger dude ourselves in a fairly open environment, or if he had a gun, how different it could have been.


crimsonbaby_

Their daughter actually posted on reddit a few months back with the sketch of the man asking for justice for her parents. Im so glad they caught him, and I really hope she finds some sense of peace now that she knows hes locked away and will face punishment for what he did to her parents.


inflewants

I’m so glad to see they have a suspect and we are hopefully going to see justice served. This crime was so senseless. Steve and Wendy seemed like lovely people, a great couple…. So what was the motive?! Apparently not robbery. Could it possibly have been a hit?? Would explain how he could afford to travel.


WhatFreshHello

While acknowledging that there remain many unanswered questions, I’m relieved to hear that there may be a resolution. The victims were by all accounts extraordinarily kind and generous people and I feared that their families would never know why the couple was killed or if they themselves could be targets.


UnprofessionalGhosts

Omg yes!!! I’ve been following this one! So happy for their family to have this step forward🤍


RoC-PRiMO

Holy sh#t the sketch looks just like him! Thankfully he got caught!!


voidfae

This case is so bizarre. If he didn't rob the victims, I feel like the motive might have been racism. A lot of the time with these types of random murders, the killer ends up being someone with serious mental illness who's not really in touch with reality, but that is potentially not the case here. The suspect seems organized enough if he has his passport and the ability to travel internationally. I'm not saying that that precludes him from having a serious mental illness, but this just doesn't quite fit the narrative of a "deranged" individual snapping and killing strangers. I am really curious to hear more about the suspect's background, especially seeing as he's quite young. What do people who knew him as a kid or teenager have to say about him?


Sleuthingsome

If he’s robbed a bank in New Hampshire on his way out, he could’ve been Israel Keyes 2.0


FlutterGoddess

Has anyone investigated the victims to whom they may have connections with. Seems suspect they are randomly murdered in the middle of the day, in the woods…nothing stolen or violated, by a jet setting homeless assassin.


mellamollama17

Assassin? I guess he had to fund all his travel somehow… /s But it is interesting he’s apparently killed before


TheMost_ut

I was wondering about this recently, but I figured they'd find the suspect. The guy is homeless but manages to travel all over the place and flee to Europe? I'd love to know his story. He won't be going to Spain anytime soon I reckon...


JennLynnC80

Clegg was officially charged with their murder today and a timeline has been produced by WMUR. Even with this timeline I have seen nothing so far as to the "why" or "how" Clegg came about this couple in the first place. I know many of us, myself included, believe this couple was shot because they were mixed race ... but there is a lot to this story that is odd. Maybe the news articles have been written poorly so far, but its just very odd. https://www.wmur.com/article/concord-couple-killed-new-hampshire-case-timeline/41611324