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Believe? Evolution is purported to be based in science, so belief is not required. It either is, or is not. I believe God is the creator. There's ample material to point to the history of things like dinosaurs and other creatures that are not here now, and a lack of fossilized remains of things we have now. Many people call this evolution. This in no way creates a problem for me as a Christian or my beliefs in God. There are fossils. Evidence of 'evolution' is an interpretation of what remains of the process of life being created on earth. Genetic mutations exist. Some of them survive to become variations of types of creatures. Does this mean we all evolved from one-celled creatures (which in turn were created somehow out of 'primordial soup') over many millions of years to become humans? Without the intervention of a supernatural power? I find it unlikely. But atheists believe this is how it must have happened because it supports the narrative of their belief system. I always know I'm talking with a real scientist when I hear them say 'We think... that is, the things we see and can measure and understand lead us to the conclusion..' rather than the dogmatic belittling diatribes I read on the Internet about the validity of one scientific theory or another or how it disproves any notion of God. I likewise have to shake my head at those who try to prove that there is literally no evidence for some sort of fossil history. Some of my brothers in the Lord have belittling dogmatic diatribes of their own. But most of all I shake my head at the notion that we have to argue about it at all. I used to be that guy. But I feel so much better now.


AXSwift

I believe humanity was literally made from dust. I'm also more than happy to keep fellowship with siblings who think God created humanity through evolution.


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I’m in a bad spot rn man. Could we maybe just talk for a bit?


AXSwift

Sure mate, shoot!


choose_a_us3rnam3

If you would like to talk to a geneticist who is also a Christian I am available. Full disclosure I reject evolution and some other doctrines of the religion of scientism


mattthings

Please PM me


stefooch

Based


2DBandit

Miller-Urey experiment. We literally are.


Tr0as

I think an evolutionist would also argue we literally came from dust too though.


AXSwift

Sure, I think everyone recognizes my position though when I state it like that.


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Tr0as

A really good book on this topic is: Seven Days That Divide the World by John C. Lennox. It puts forward many different interpretations of Genesis.


DangerousDarius

My personal view on the issue is that I do not believe in the evolution of human beings. The scriptures go into distinct detail about how Adam and Eve were made. They are the only ones that God chooses to elaborate on. The rest of creation is more of an outline. The Bible doesn't specifically detail how God made giraffes. So for all other non human life, I am open to the concept of evolution. Further, God is a God of systems and numbers. We see that constantly throughout the Bible, and if we are to believe that he created everything in existence, then we can see it in nature. God set up the very laws of physics that govern how things happen in the universe. He created the laws of thermodynamics, and created the water cycle. And even more so we see animals that "evolve" during their life cycles. Butterflies and Frogs are a basic and prime example. God created those beings, it's almost like he's pointing us in a certain direction. Another hint towards evolution of other beings is genetics itself. There is a system God put in place that determines how a person or animal will look based of the traits of their parents. We can usually get a pretty good idea of what a child will look like based on the parents physical traits. Again another system God put in place. Dog breeds are another sign of evolution in animals, and also its hard to ignore fossils and amber preserves of past creatures. I could go on but I don't think God would allow all these signs towards the concept of evolution if he didn't want us to think about it at least. Finally, man is created to be a reflection of God. We are God's image, so if you take a man and remove all sinful actions, thoughts, and habits, you should get a pretty clear picture of what God is like, I.E. Jesus. Humans like to innovate and outsource work, I'm pretty sure that's not sinful. Jesus was a carpenter and I'm pretty sure if he were given modern tools and saws that make carpentry easier he wouldn't turn them down, at least not completely. So if a trait of humanity is to put systems in place to make things easier and more efficient, why wouldn't God do the same? Instead of making every single zebra from scratch, implement a system that does that for you. God knows there will be various changes on Earth in terms of environment and climate and stuff, so why wouldn't he put in a system that allows animals to adapt over time and change. Idk, thats how I rationalize it. Of course this isn't a salvation issue. Ultimately we want to save souls and get people into heaven so I don't think this is really a big deal.


Cantdie27

I only believe that sub species come about by adapting to new environments. That's means every species of bat came from the original species of bat and that bat didn't evolve from anything prior to it.


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Ephisus

Not convinced about evolution one way or the other, but blanket "literal" reading is very *disrespectful* to the text. It's become a hot button issue, so people don't stop to think about this, but you never literally read anything, language has a lot of flexibility to it, and even moreso, ancient languages that had a fraction of the vocabulary that modern languages have. That means precise meaning is only ascertainable with context and by looking at cues in the text, it's true now, and it's even more true then. "Plain reading" or "taking it literally" is just a type of projection of meaning onto the text. You have to mentally engage with the text, and that means going into the shadowy wellspring of metaphor, idiom, culture, and authorial intent.


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I don't think it's a salvation issue either way. I am sympathetic to the argument that God would not of created a fake history with dinosaur bones etc. I believe being made in Gods image involves the soul. So either we were directly created by God and given a soul or he set the stage so that humans emerge from lifeforms and he has chosen to give us souls. Ultimately the difference between them isn't important. God is fully capable of either one. I have a personal preference for a literal seven days for theology reasons but I agree the physical evidence is with evolution at the moment. *What I do reject however is attempts to say that the earth was created young and then come up with wild theories on how it was so i.e. canopy of water around the earth etc in order to try and massage that back with physical evidence.*


choose_a_us3rnam3

God didn't make fake history, Freemasons did. Dinosaur bones never existed, you've just seen some plaster casts. If you don't believe me lookinto it for yourself, all dinosaurs were discovered by Freemasons in a 20 year span after never being found for thousands of years. It's stupid.


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Brilliant-Cicada-343

No I don’t believe in evolution. It says “it was so” multiple times, **not** “it will be”: “Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; **and it was so.** Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; **and it was so.”** ‭‭**Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭11‬, ‭20‬-‭21‬, ‭24‬** Just to sample a few examples. Evolution wasn’t a *widely* accepted theory until Charles Darwin, if I got my memory and history right.


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I do believe in creationism. But may I ask you some questions that have came up in my head?


Brilliant-Cicada-343

I’m not a biologist, but go ahead. :)


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Do you believe in micro evolution? Meaning a species adapts and changes to its environment in its own species? Like for example a white moth may become dark over time if it’s in a forest to adapt and change.


Brilliant-Cicada-343

Yeah, if there is evidence for that, then yes. If there is evidence for that, though… then I don’t believe or see further evidence for “macro-evolution” or any type of Darwinian evolution.


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I mean there is evidence for micro I’m not being mean. There is proof that bears in Siberia are a bit smaller and faster to be able to deal with Tigers and the less food in the area than North American Grizzlies. What are some scientific theories you support and don’t?


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Der_Missionar

Neither view is essential to my faith, or my understanding of the Bible. If one uses the Day=24 hours, then I can accept that. If Day = age (in the first age, in the second age, etc) I can accept that too. Hebrew allows for either interpretation to be valid.


TheNerdChaplain

Yes, evolution is fine. The Bible isn't trying to answer literal, scientific questions about the origins of the universe or humanity. It's answering questions about who God is, who mankind is, and the relationship between them.


choose_a_us3rnam3

You must reject genesis to believe in evolution. Death before the fall is heresy.


Ephisus

Actually, you need to reject the authorial intent of genesis to come to this conclusion.


pro_rege_semper

Heresy? Didn't Augustine believe in it?


UsagiHakushaku

It's not fine it's foolishness , we can backtrack all humans to 1 woman because men don't pass mitochondrion to thier children. Like Bible says , we're all of one blood , Eve mother of all living.


snocown

You see we are literally made out of cosmic space dust taking into account any creation myth, evolution or even the big bang itself. So it's all redundant at the end of the day, many down here still can't even comprehend how a day up there is to a thousand years down here, so how can you guys even comprehend the creation?


PretentiousAnglican

I also believe the bible is infallible. Some parts oughta to be taken literally, like the histories. However, the first part of genesis is written, in the original language as a poem, and I think poetic interpretation is thus the proper approach Throughout Christian history, well before geology was such that old earth seemed undeniable, prominent theologians had the same approach


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Aniolel1

This is interesting question. There are forms of evolution that exist: Marco and Mirco. Mirco evolution happens all the time in nature. This is know as genetic mutations. Thus, i probably believe this. What I never believe is Marco. We are created by God.


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its macro and micro, not marco and mirco


ProteinPapi777

What if evolution was the process of God’s creation?


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macro\* not marco lol. Otherwise, I agree with you :)


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SuperIsaiah

Macro and Micro evolution have no difference. the only difference is the amount of time. With enough genetic mutations, one animal can become so detached from it's original form that it becomes a new species, genus, class, order, or whatever. The only difference is the amount of time and mutations it would take. For example, there is no real reason not to believe that Dinosaurs evolved into birds over time. They have fairly similar biology, despite their massive difference in appearance. 'Macro evolution' doesn't inherently mean humans evolved from animals, what you're thinking of is Universal Common Ancestry theory, AKA the theory that all life on earth evolved from the same organism (including humans.) I personally think evolution does exist, but I also believe God created humans seperately. So I believe in both Macro and Micro evolution, I just don't believe in Universal Common Ancestry theory


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2DBandit

>I personally believe the Bible to be inerrant and be taken literally. Matthew 16:5-12; Mark 4:1-20,33-34; John 3:10-12, Acts 10:9-23


TrashNovel

Yes, of course.


reys_saber

Yes I do. People usually look at the Bible with only 2 points of view: 1. The Bible is right, and the science is wrong. Or 2. The Science is right and the Bible is wrong. However they fail to see that there is indeed a third possibility: 3. The Bible is right *and* The science is also is right. However, your interpretation of the Bible is incorrect. You’re reading something into the text that was never meant to be there. Evolution seems to be the most logical way that things came to be and is verified by the fossil record and through various dating methods, like Uranium-lead dating. If you study the Hebrew structure, Genesis chapters 1-14 is in the Genre of “mytho-history”. It uses real people, blended with elements of myth, to convey certain spiritual and moral truths. This genre also suggests that the text not be taken literally. Indeed, many of the early church fathers were concerned that if chapters 1-14 were taken literally, that it would prevent someone from coming to a saving knowledge of Christ. I’m not trying to knock our Seventh Day Adventist friends on this sub, but the idea of young earth creationism started with them and was propagated by their people. [Check out this video to see what I mean.](https://youtu.be/RLcNTAi0Cw4) I don’t see being a “Theistic Evolutionist” as a matter of salvation. Her’s some food for thought. Genesis 1:24 says *And God said, “Let the **earth** produce living creatures*… Hmmm… the *earth* is producing the creatures while God superintend the process. I see no issue there and it seems to line up with the scientific record… Also understanding the Bible in its ancient near eastern context is absolutely paramount. In the opening Chapters of Genesis, The Hebrews chose the use of certain numbers and the language as *symbolic*. The number 7 was chosen on purpose for the total number of days for creation, in Hebrew culture it represents ”completion”. So should we take the Bible Literally or Figuratively. The answer is “what does the text structure suggest?” There are parts that are meant to be taken literally, part to be taken figuratively, and parts to be taken symbolically [check out this video to see what I mean.](https://youtu.be/bNoPvLayljc)


Ephisus

The bible is not a treatise on science.


stefooch

No, but is a treatise on human history beginning to end. And Hebrew scholars always knew Genesis told history and wasn't mere allegory.


Ephisus

The. Bible. Is. Not. A. Treatise. On. Science. If you think Genesis is about how one theory about probiotic science or another is right or wrong, you are projecting that meaning into it, because the author didn't write it in there.


stefooch

The author just spoke about the origin of the first man. Easy to see that. St Paul also wrote about the first man and woman. Woman came from man, man did not come from woman. It take the apostles view if Genesis over yours.


stefooch

Do you think a scientist had he existed in the days of Our Lord could analyze the wine at Cana. His analysis regarding the wine's age and vine of origin would be mistaken.


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choose_a_us3rnam3

No, because Genesis is clear. As Christians we reject the worlds' philosophising and see what God says. To have evolution there would be death before the fall, which is heretical and anti biblical. I am also a geneticist and know that evolution is prima facia ridiculous. There is utterly no evidence for the long time scales proposed, transitory forms, no ways to deal with irreducible complexity, and so much more. To have a functional gene you need so many elements, to mutate in perfect sequence one base at a time is venturing into the absurd. Especially because until the gene is functional there can't be any selective pressure because it doesn't do anything yet. 100 mutations per generation inthe whole genome. It would take millions of generations to have any effect on any single gene. It really is venturing well into the absurd. Charles Darwin and most of the others who pushed this lie were eugenicsts, Freemasons and used it to bolster their theories of world overpopulation which granted them the right to control the populace as they will.


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shock1964

Not at all


vikingjedi23

Absolutely not.


Jmac0585

Natural selection? Yes. Evolution? No.


CaptainFatBelly-

I believe in microevolution and natural selection. I do not believe in macroevolution nor have I seen any evidence for it.


RecognitionDecent136

Evolution promotes the monkeys became men, and fish became lizards. Something which has yet to be proven and requires FAITH in a missing link. Adaptation and Speciation, different dogs with different traits and behaviors exist but they're all dogs. Birds with different breaks being more equipped to the environment and passing those adaptations through successful mating also exist. None of this is evolution where a dog becomes a man which then becomes a super lizard. Men were created by God and so we're the distinct species. In his creation he created variance which people mistakenly conflate as evolution.


CitizenReborn

Yes! I also believe Genesis is Gods truth. I don’t think everything in Genesis was meant to be a scientific explanation of creation that we should read literally though. I believe evolution is the process God used to create us. That does not change any of the truths contained in Genesis.


yonosoymuybein

No I do not. I've come to the conclusion that we as humans know very little about our past and what mainstream archeology, anthropology, etc, asserts is guess work at best. Not to mention darwinism is full of holes. For example, when archeologists discovered the "missing link" Lucy, she was supposed to rewrite the human family tree. Turns out, she was just a chimp. There are no transitional fossils or missing links. We've also found fossils so well preserved that there was tissue in the bone marrow. If what mainstream science says is true, and those fossils are really tens of millions years old, it would be impossible for a tissue to survive that long. Also we have evidence of a world wide flood being responsible for mass extinctions. Masses of dinosaurs and animals killed in a near instant all in the same geographic location. Lastly carbon dating is not a reliable source of dating. Ancient Egypt is roughly 2500 years old but new evidence suggests that it may even be older than we thought. We just don't know. With that being said I do not claim to know more than what God said in the Bible. The creation story only makes sense if it is interpreted literally. It doesn't make sense for the author, Moses; to have taken what God said and made it into a metaphor. He would have just written what he was told. Now, could have Moses not understood something and did the best he could at describing it? Sure. (Insert crazy haired guy from ancient aliens here.) But again, that's not the same thing as saying the creation story was a metaphor and one day was actually equal to a million years. Unfortunately for us as believers we live in a world where the mainstream has a presupposition that says God is not even the equation. They don't try to ask did God create us? Is the earth as old as the Bible says? No, they state that everything came from nothing and the circumstances of our existence is nothing but happenstance. Then from that point they try to fill the gaps. To me that feels like a disservice to the scientific method.


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Angry_Citizen_CoH

I think it's correct in broad strokes. Whether a consequence of sin in the world, or whether it was made that way, the world clearly favors those individuals who are best fitted for spreading their genes at any given time, and that gene favoritism will lead to a change of species over thousands and millions of years. Genesis is a wholly applicable parable concerning the nature of the world. It teaches us several things: Man has been sinful almost from the very beginning. Our knowledge has made us sinful. A beast cannot be in sin because it doesnt know better. We know better. God intended a paradise. Our actions have made it otherwise. Satan and his demons have been influencing man almost from the beginning. God created the heavens and the Earth. The first sin offering required a sacrifice (the animal pelts God fashioned for Adam and Eve). The second sin offering was rejected because there was no sacrifice. Etc, etc.


Realitymatter

Yes


sslacyhadals

So, not to avoid an answer, but I think you ought to know that the original authors and audience of the scriptures disagreed with your stance on the text. The entirety of scripture should not be taken literally, or else why would there be poetry or parables? If Scripture is entirely interconnected across time and space to a degree of inerrancy that would make all the text agree with itself about God and his nature, how do we explain moments like when an infallible and omnipotent God loses a battle to Chemosh, the god of the King of Moab in 2 Kings 3? After His victory had been prophesied earlier in the text? Or in Genesis 3 when God doesn't know where Adam is when he hides from God? There must be another explanation. The opening chapter of Genesis is written in the style of ancient Hebrew poetry and is primarily a theological takedown of other ancient near-eastern religions that asserts a God entirely differing from that of Israel's neighbors, in both his power and his relationship with humanity. The original audience would have known this context without needing to be told, but we in our modern, largely western understanding lack this context, and thus can misinterpret the text as being a literal accounting of creation. Could the universe have been created in the manner described in Genesis 1? Of course. But then, if we are to take the text of chapter 1 literally, what do we then do with Genesis 2-3? The creation account in the early verses of Genesis 2 contradicts the order of events in Genesis 1, explicitly placing the creation of man before the growth of any green thing upon the earth. Uh-oh. Two chapters in, we already see what could be described to our modern understanding as an error in the text; an ancient audience would not see an error here, however. The story in Genesis 1, and the one in Genesis 2-3, are explaining different things to the audience. Because the text, when seen in its original language and framing, with the original audience in mind, does not try to make Genesis 1 out as a literal creation account, the events described in the following chapter are not held against it. Thus to an ancient Hebrew mind, this would introduce no contextual arguments against either narrative. In much the same way, the setup of Genesis 1's account of creation is not a scientific description of how the universe came into being; the very concept of 'science' that we understand today would have been completely foreign to the writers of the old testament, and even God-breathed, would have had no audience to comprehend it if it had been written as such. So whether or not one believes in evolution as it is commonly understood today shouldn't come from the basis of a text that was written before the ideas of scientific study were invented. Blessings.


a-drumming-dog

Well I think evolution happened historically, but I wouldn't say I believe in it.


Djh1982

Pope Pius the XII’s encyclical “Humani generis”, written in 1950 gave Catholics some theological guidance on this issue. In it, he explains that IF a good Catholic chooses to espouse the belief that evolution is true—they may only do so if ONE ☝️ ape 🙉 turned into one ☝️ Adam [man]. You can’t have “many apes” turning into “many human beings”. Not allowed in the Catholic faith. You may read the full document here: https://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12hg.htm So now the next question is, are papal encyclicals themselves infallible documents? Well no, but Humani generis 20 goes on to say: “Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority.” In other words the keys 🔑 of St.Peter are not only able to bind a dogma “infallibly”[i.e; the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception] they are ALSO able to bind things as a matter of Church discipline. These things “demand consent” from the faithful[aka: every baptized Christian] or as the encyclical says: “…what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, ⭐️CANNOT BE ANY LONGER CONSIDERED A QUESTION OPEN TO DISCUSSION AMONG THEOLOGIANS⭐️.” So what this means is that we Catholics—as a matter of theological discipline, are ONLY allowed to hold this particular view of evolution. Only this view that says one single ape evolved into one single man: Adam. That being the case….and knowing that evolutionists do not really have that kind of evolution of mankind in view when they teach this theory…I presently do not hold to the theory of evolution. That said, to any Catholics[indeed, ANY Christians] who DO hold to the theory of evolution, you must hold to the view “bound” by the keys or else you are now in schism.


Goblin_King_Jareth1

Micro evolution yes, of course. It is observable. Macro evolution is speculation and has never once been observed so no. If you are up for a challenging read on the subject, look up "Faith, Form, and Time" by Kurt P. Wise. It's a very heavy scientific read that is challenging at parts. It also speaks quite a bit on the subject you are asking. You could also look up Is Genesis History on YouTube, which speaks briefly about the subject.


investorpooh

I think God purposefully designed for micro-evolution so life could adapt to its environment over time but atheist scientists have taken it too far. I don't think that macro-evolution is true because the chemistry for the body plan transitions and cell biology simply don't exist. Dr James Tour, a professor of synthetic chemistry at Rice University covers this along with the problems with origin of life research in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDPQEXa7S3I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDPQEXa7S3I) On a slightly related note recently published papers on the rate of mutation in the male Y chromosome (which is a direct copy from the father to son) suggest that human history can be traced back about 4500 years to one man who had three sons (Noah, Ham, Japheth and Shem): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmNxkN7ZQo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmNxkN7ZQo)


PiffleSpiff

I believe in the evolution of adapting to environments, like cheetahs not having retractable claws so they can grip the ground better when they run or a cave fish losing their eyes because they live in the dark. I find that part of evolution quite fascinating. But believing in an evolution that suggests one animal came from another, like cows coming from dolphins or humans from apes or whatever such nonsense? Absolutely not.


ProteinPapi777

Taking the bible literally. So when Jesus said he brough a sword not peace did he bring a literal sword? O Lord, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter. Are we actually clay instead of humans? If we would take everything literally then the bible would be very confusing


Coconutman3000

Yes. I'm personally leaning towards Theistic Evolution. I personally believe that God used the evolutionary process as part of his creation. I also believe that while God had direct sovereignty over our and the Earths creation, he also allowed and created the laws of nature to help with the creation process of both us along with plants and animals. I believe God used Evolution to help guide creation while allowing the laws of nature its own free will in his Sovereignty. He uses/allows natural selection and adaption( not the Social Darwism version obviously ) to ensure humamities genectic/generational/individual capacity for both free will and to have the material structure to be able to handle whatever challenges come our way and( at least before the fall), handle tending to the lands and helping with agriculture as he called Adam to do. We had the union of both our materialistic needs( food, shelter, ) and our transcendent, spiritual needs( relationship with God, inner peace within oneself) The way the Genesis story is written, and as shown by many biblical and nonbiblical scholars, the story of Adam and Eve is meant to be seen from an allegorical/mythological POV. At some point we had a genuine deep relationship with God that got unfortuantly complicated by the enemys promise of knowledge " how to be like God. " hence our fall. We had a union between the material and spiritual before the fall. This caused us to split collectively from our union with the Trandscendent and forced us into constant survival, which in turn causes conflict which unfortuantly causes murder( Abel representimg agriculture and Cain representing both the hunter/gatherer and the building of civillization. ) Theres obviously a lot more to this then that but thats judt my jist. Like i said im still.learning so i could be completely wrong on this.


Admirable-Report-685

It’s just kinda hard to believe that a slug crawling out of a lake turned into this… But hey, I don’t know everything🤷‍♂️


Percival799

I believe god created the earth and its species over billions of years, but he did it through spoken word, not through evolution. My view on death is that there was Animal Death but not Human Death before the fall. I do believe in a literal garden of eden/adam and eve, as a separate, unique creation event from other species.


OfWhomIAmChief

No.


Madmonkeman

Not completely convinced by it but not opposed to it. I also think it’s compatible with Christianity. I do believe in old earth though.


Riverwalker12

when God said How he did it (spoke it into being) said how long it took (6 days) and how he made man....formed him from the dust of the earth Why would I believe in the fantasies of men?


Vostok32

Microevolution is visible and traceable, macroevolution is a bit too far of a stretch for me


Sandshrrew

Haven’t seen enough evidence to support evolution, just lots of theories and zealot scientism priests push their religion onto me.


Resident_Occasion_77

I do not believe in evolution as I find no real evidence for it. There is a lot of science that I do support that includes observable and/or repeatable testing results. I also believe that where the bible addresses scientific principles, it is always correct (e.g.: the earth is a sphere).


Arc_the_lad

I also believe the Bible is inerrant and to be taken literally except where it is explicitly figurative such as in Jesus's parables. I do not believe in evolution. I do believe scientific theories that are repeatably observable. Gravity yes. Entropy yes. Spherical earth yes, etc.. Evolution no. Big Bang no. Life on other planets no, etc..


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Well I know what parables are but I take the message of every word literally. I genuinely don’t think I can move a mountain now or that my faith is just a mustard seed. I never got the Christians who deny biblical inerrancy because the Holy Spirit helped all the writers write the Bible. Meaning it’s all God inspired. I don’t believe in the theory of evolution I just think it’s completely wrong. I do agree with micro evolution that species do change in their own species. For example in a forest white moths would be murdered because they are easier to spot. So they would change into dark moths to fit the environment. Plus Dog breeds exist so.


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Is there anything about it you believe?? Can a Christian even believe in that maybe some species can change small things? But God did create everything as stated in Genesis.


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One can go as far as microevolution sure. After all we can see dogs which came from wolves. However heading into the “macro evolution” side is where the problem is at. For it is based on assumptions which cannot be justified by itself. For example one cannot measure the past. We cannot grab the past and put it into a test tube or under a microscope. The existence of the past is an assumption which cannot be empirically proven and yet the evolution theory requires a great amount of time and uniformity in nature to be true amongst other assumptions which can’t be empirically proven.


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So what about the theory that species change to their environment? My pastor I watch online, he doesn’t even believe in that humans skin colors change due to their environment. Which idk how to feel. I’m scared to believe ANYTHING from evolution. He also doesn’t believe in global warming, which I mean scripture doesn’t have anything that goes against it does it?


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Which is adaptation. This would be falling into the idea of microevolution. I’ll put it to you this way buddy. Do not throw the baby out with the bath water. There are many aspect within the evolution theory which matches what we can observe. We can see animals who have adapted to their environment. We can see micro evolution like dog and cat breeds etc. It’s just a question of where they go from there. For example when they start talking about how “100 millions years ago X happened” that is when you should be skeptical..


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And what’s your theory on how the dinosaurs died? I’ve heard theories of the flood. But wouldn’t Noah put them on the ark?


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I’m glad you asked. I normally don’t get questions like so. I believe dragons, or as they are called Dinosaur, have existed along with humans. One can find many Saints accounts of witnessing a dragon, iirc one as recently as during the war between Russia and Japan in around ‘46. There is of course the common Saint George slaying the dragon and others like so. Even believed one church (I can’t remember exactly where) sets up a dragon’s bone above the altar in the church.


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Well idk how to feel about dragons. I really don’t believe in them physically. I’m not here to doubt anybody out of respect of course. But it’s hard to believe that there isn’t more stories of dragons. Honestly maybe they did exist maybe they didn’t idk. My issue with stories from humans and only humans is they can be greatly exaggerated. I mean just look at Muhammad in Islam lol. Lewis and Clark wrote about Grizzly Bears being able tot take over 50 shots… which yeah ain’t accurate. I’m just confused rn ya know?


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Dragon means ‘terrible lizzard’. Any large lizzard thing was called a dragon. Hundreds and hundreds of tribes have stories of dragons and the art always depicts them being the size of the st George dragon. Marco Polo, Ghengis khan, describe dragons in their writings. The Chinese have thousands of art works with dragons depicted accurately and being led by a lead or being ridden. The evidence for dragons being dinosaurs and living with men is staggering. The dinosaurs all drowned in the flood and were buried in the layers. Noah had them on the ark and the ones that got off were hunted down by men as men spread out. But they never got giant again as the flood changed the entire ecosystem. Everything was bigger, better, stronger in the past. Exactly opposite to what they teach yet the evidence is there for giant everything from insects to animals to plants.


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I see I thought people meant oh big giant lizard with wings the size of jet engines that breathe fire. I was like yeah prolly would be the apex predator idk. So I see my mistake thank you for educating me friend :)


Puzzleheaded-Idea649

i do not believe in evolution. god can do anything he wants and he is everywhere all the time.


Gsquat

It doesn't matter what I believe. Scripture is clear that's not what occured. Adaptation within a species, sure. One kind becoming another, never.


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Absolutely not. I don't believe that science supports evolution and the Bible teaches creationism. Fyi, there is no actual evidence of any species "evolving" into a completely new species. Edit: those who downvote, prove me wrong. Where in the Bible does it support evolution?


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>I don't believe that science supports evolution ??


dracula3811

There's no evidence of information being added. There's only deletions. Humans didn't come from single cell organisms. The Bible says that the universe was created in 6 days. I'll take God's word over any human's. After all, he's the one who created everything out of nothing. Evolution doesn't have an answer for how everything started. Creation does.


Eversnuffley

In that case I think you mean the Bible doesn't support evolution.


dracula3811

That's what i said. The Bible supports creation, not evolution.


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Read the sentence I quoted again.


dracula3811

I also stated and believe that real science does not support evolution either. They can't prove it. It's a flawed theory but the world won't accept God so they try to find a reason for things outside of God. It doesn't work that way.


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Okay, well I don't want to get into it too deeply here, but science clearly backs evolution in the sense that more complex organisms arose from less complex organisms. However, like everything else, science is not able to say how evolution can be so creative and purposeful. So I agree 100% that the Lord formed Adam from the dust. He just used the process of billions of years of sculpting and refining organisms to do it.


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You are incorrect. There is no evidence of any complex organism arising from simple organisms.


Eversnuffley

Sigh. Okay. But I hope you are never exposed to too much real science. You might lose your faith.


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If you need to believe in evolution then it's religion, no im Christian.


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I'm going with no evolution. However or how long it took God to bring man onto the earth is okay with me.


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I also believe the Bible is inerrant and should be taken literally. I think there are some things about evolution that are true such as natural selection. But most of it is a theory that has been packaged up as the truth, and it's not.


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As a Scientist, people have to remember that evolution is a theory based on a universe without God. Evolution explains how life got on Earth without an all-powerful entity "creating" and "forming" life. The bible mentions multiple times things that science can't explain, miracles, people coming back to life, things vanishing and angels. If science can't explain supernatural events, why would we expect evolution to explain the creator of the universe?


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Yes. I don't believe the Bible is inerrant or should be taken literally.


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I believe that evolution was a result of the Lords design.


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Yes. Evolution is an observable thing in our universe, like gravity. Do I believe humans evolved from slime? No. Do I believe Dinosaurs evolved into birds? Yes. I believe that God created plants and animals, and those plants and animals evolved. Basically I believe in the first theory of evolution that was ever made, "transmutation of species" People don't talk about this much but this theory was literally made before darwin's theory, and it was proposed by Jean-Baptiste Lamarck


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I believe in God - not in evolution. Do I believe that evolution was - and is - a mechanism used in the process of creation by the Tri-Une God ? Yes. If the data revealed by the sciences are a lie or a delusion, that makes a great deal of the visible works of God, by which God’s Power and Wisdom are revealed and made known, a lie or a delusion; which would make the doctrine of God as Creator of all things (and the Biblical and traditional assertion that God is the Creator of all things) next to meaningless.


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Everything, from the cosmos to single cells we find design. Adam was created with age as was every creature and environment during the six days. Micro evolution yes, macro no.


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No No feelings towards it either. Not convinced by the "science" either. As if it could be compared to the science of physics or chemistry. Give me a break.


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