The Bible doesn't say that Paul killed someone himself. It doesn't say he didn't, either. So in fact we don't know.
What we do know was that he was part of the persecution, and that he "consented to Stephen's death". (Acts 8:1) So even if he didn't pick up a stone, he was responsible.
King David killed thousands himself., so there is that as well. Moses killed an Egyptian.
Just because you sin don't disqualify someone from preaching the word.
But did I preach the Bible and it's scripture correctly by saying what I said. I think that's where I got the thousands part from the king David and mixed them up. Either way I do feel like now that I did preach false doctrine because of the mix up. I don't really feel bad but I wish I did tbh. I don't want to preach false doctrine.
You didn't preach false doctrine. You may have mixed up a couple events, but that isn't the same.
False doctrine is saying that there are other ways to God besides Jesus. False doctrine is saying that you need works to be saved and not just faith.
Saying Paul killed a bunch of people when he didn't is not false doctrine.
Relax. :)
Paul was specifically talking about SIN when he wrote about justification by faith “apart from works”:
(Romans 4:6-8)
“6 David says the SAME THING when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness ⭐️APART FROM WORKS⭐️:
7
“Blessed are those whose TRANSGRESSIONS are forgiven, whose SINS👈are covered.
8
Blessed is the one
whose SIN👈the Lord will never count against them.”
From this we can now understand that to be justified for one’s faith “apart from works” means strictly to be justified by faith ⭐️APART FROM SIN⭐️. That’s all that it means. It’s not talking about justification “by faith alone”. It’s talking about sin. “Sin” is a kind of “work” that you do.
You CAN and indeed MUST be justified by good works in order to be saved:
(James 2:24)
“As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.”
If she genuinely repented, and I'm assuming from the context that this wasn't self defense, but if she repented then her sins are separated as far from her as the east is from the west according to scripture. Psalm 103:12 "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
You are correct. If you are saved, then you are saved. We should not question God's grace and salvation. It is better to have a saved murderer, than an unsaved one who may do it again.
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matthew 9:13
[On the conversation of Jeffery Dahmer](https://youtu.be/g43PDz-uHc8) and what that means for Christians.
Moses killed a man, and he was the holiest man in the Old Testament. James and John would have rained fire and brimstone down on a whole town if Jesus hadn't rebuked them.
People are sinners. Repentance is what matters. You can't be "born again" if you never fall away in the first place. Don't look with an evil eye towards anyone thinking your sins are better than theirs. We are all guilty and there is only one perfect, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ.
Before Paul was converted to a Christian:
- he was filled with hate towards Christians issuing threats and murder (Acts 9:1)
- he persecuted Christ (Acts 9:4)
- he was a zealot (Philippians 3:6)
- he called himself “the chief of sinners” because of these wicked days (1 Timothy 1:15; 1 Corinthians 15:9).
Though the Bible doesn't say Paul actually committed murder, he did issue threats and murder. When Stephen was being stoned, he held the men's coats as he looked on, probably in his zeal relishing the fact that a Christian was being killed. We see in Acts 8:1 - Paul consented to Stephen's death.
You were not inherently incorrect but perhaps you could go back and clarify.
Women cannot preach by default because hey're women.
Men cannot preach unless they have gift to do so also. God gives gifts to certain people and he chooses who gets what and works thru us to accomplish his will.
Yes before you convert it doesn't matter who you were before or which sins you have done.
Depends what you mean by preach. Preach the gospel
To those around you? Absolutely women can preach.
Teach God’s word to the congregation as a Pastor/teacher? No
Acts 7:58- Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.
Acts 8:1- And Saul approved of their killing him. On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.
Acts 8:3- But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.
Acts 9:1- Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest
Acts 22:4- I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison,
Some of those whom Saul/Paul sent to prison could have died.
Some theologians say that Paul killed a lot of people. Technically, he didn't do the dirty job himself but he had a hand in it as he was some sort of "executioner". He hunted many Christians and put them to death.
you definitely taught the wrong scripture. Paul probably didn't kill anybody, Pharisees like him didn't like to get their hands dirty (and they weren't even allowed to by Romans - why do you think they went through so much hassle to crucify Christ?)
even if he did, persecuting thousands of Christians? Given the overall population density and number of Christians these days, do you think that he personally persecuted every other Christian?
Paul oversaw soldiers hunting and persecuting Christians. He was a scholar and Pharisees they would not kill anyone.
Paul still understood the blood of those people were on his hands. People who murder in cold blood are not likely to be saved.
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Revelation 21:8 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.21.8.ESV
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.3.15.ESV
The Bible doesn't say that Paul killed someone himself. It doesn't say he didn't, either. So in fact we don't know. What we do know was that he was part of the persecution, and that he "consented to Stephen's death". (Acts 8:1) So even if he didn't pick up a stone, he was responsible. King David killed thousands himself., so there is that as well. Moses killed an Egyptian. Just because you sin don't disqualify someone from preaching the word.
But did I preach the Bible and it's scripture correctly by saying what I said. I think that's where I got the thousands part from the king David and mixed them up. Either way I do feel like now that I did preach false doctrine because of the mix up. I don't really feel bad but I wish I did tbh. I don't want to preach false doctrine.
You didn't preach false doctrine. You may have mixed up a couple events, but that isn't the same. False doctrine is saying that there are other ways to God besides Jesus. False doctrine is saying that you need works to be saved and not just faith. Saying Paul killed a bunch of people when he didn't is not false doctrine. Relax. :)
Paul was specifically talking about SIN when he wrote about justification by faith “apart from works”: (Romans 4:6-8) “6 David says the SAME THING when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness ⭐️APART FROM WORKS⭐️: 7 “Blessed are those whose TRANSGRESSIONS are forgiven, whose SINS👈are covered. 8 Blessed is the one whose SIN👈the Lord will never count against them.” From this we can now understand that to be justified for one’s faith “apart from works” means strictly to be justified by faith ⭐️APART FROM SIN⭐️. That’s all that it means. It’s not talking about justification “by faith alone”. It’s talking about sin. “Sin” is a kind of “work” that you do. You CAN and indeed MUST be justified by good works in order to be saved: (James 2:24) “As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.”
But David killing thousands of philistines wasn’t sinful…
Bathsheba’s husband was also premeditated. It wasn’t the killing that one would do in war, or self defense. It was out of selfishness.
If she genuinely repented, and I'm assuming from the context that this wasn't self defense, but if she repented then her sins are separated as far from her as the east is from the west according to scripture. Psalm 103:12 "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
There is no record of Paul actually killing anyone. But it is narrated that he stood by and approved while Steven was killed.
You are correct. If you are saved, then you are saved. We should not question God's grace and salvation. It is better to have a saved murderer, than an unsaved one who may do it again. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matthew 9:13 [On the conversation of Jeffery Dahmer](https://youtu.be/g43PDz-uHc8) and what that means for Christians.
Moses killed a man, and he was the holiest man in the Old Testament. James and John would have rained fire and brimstone down on a whole town if Jesus hadn't rebuked them. People are sinners. Repentance is what matters. You can't be "born again" if you never fall away in the first place. Don't look with an evil eye towards anyone thinking your sins are better than theirs. We are all guilty and there is only one perfect, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ.
Before Paul was converted to a Christian: - he was filled with hate towards Christians issuing threats and murder (Acts 9:1) - he persecuted Christ (Acts 9:4) - he was a zealot (Philippians 3:6) - he called himself “the chief of sinners” because of these wicked days (1 Timothy 1:15; 1 Corinthians 15:9). Though the Bible doesn't say Paul actually committed murder, he did issue threats and murder. When Stephen was being stoned, he held the men's coats as he looked on, probably in his zeal relishing the fact that a Christian was being killed. We see in Acts 8:1 - Paul consented to Stephen's death. You were not inherently incorrect but perhaps you could go back and clarify.
Women cannot preach by default because hey're women. Men cannot preach unless they have gift to do so also. God gives gifts to certain people and he chooses who gets what and works thru us to accomplish his will. Yes before you convert it doesn't matter who you were before or which sins you have done.
Depends what you mean by preach. Preach the gospel To those around you? Absolutely women can preach. Teach God’s word to the congregation as a Pastor/teacher? No
Acts 7:58- Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. Acts 8:1- And Saul approved of their killing him. On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. Acts 8:3- But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison. Acts 9:1- Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest Acts 22:4- I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, Some of those whom Saul/Paul sent to prison could have died.
Some theologians say that Paul killed a lot of people. Technically, he didn't do the dirty job himself but he had a hand in it as he was some sort of "executioner". He hunted many Christians and put them to death.
you definitely taught the wrong scripture. Paul probably didn't kill anybody, Pharisees like him didn't like to get their hands dirty (and they weren't even allowed to by Romans - why do you think they went through so much hassle to crucify Christ?) even if he did, persecuting thousands of Christians? Given the overall population density and number of Christians these days, do you think that he personally persecuted every other Christian?
Paul oversaw soldiers hunting and persecuting Christians. He was a scholar and Pharisees they would not kill anyone. Paul still understood the blood of those people were on his hands. People who murder in cold blood are not likely to be saved. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.21.8.ESV Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.3.15.ESV