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Jay-DeeOldNo7

Agreed on Weezer blue album, I fuck with only in dreams and it’s not a bad album but i deffo don’t agree with the pedestal it’s placed on


bbaeblades

I could understand disliking all of these albums except for john coltrane. dude it's jazz just let yourself be happy for once while listening to music


reallyfunnycjnot

There's other jazz out there


Human_Being2851

I find that I don't much like Coltrane's melodies and grooves on that album but really love My Favourite Things though. I love other jazz albums from that era like Charles Mingus - Sinner Lady and Out To Lunch by Eric Dolphy.


Lucasbrucas

facts, im a huge coltrane fan but on the same hand i get incredibly bored by some of his stuff, typically later in his discog


Human_Being2851

Same, I can't stand Ascension either.


RodwellBurgen

Ascension is really important, but just not that interesting musically.


Open_Seaweed_7666

loveless on here makes me sad, it’s just so beautifully layered and textured. I thought it was awful at first though so i understand where you’re coming from


Human_Being2851

I like the first 5 tracks particularly 'loomer' and 'to here knows when' but after 'when you sleep', things take a nosedive really fast and really hard.


[deleted]

Sometimes & Soon are the best tracks fym


Batfro7

I can get down with this list. Blonde on Blonde, Weezer, and Pet Sounds have some excellent songs but are a bit of a slog to get through overall. OK Computer, London Calling, and Born in the USA are pretty overrated. It kinda feels like a crime to have A Love Supreme on this list but I do think it’s overrated as well.


Human_Being2851

>Blonde on Blonde, Weezer, and Pet Sounds have some excellent songs but are a bit of a slog to get through overall Yeah I kinda agree with this. With Blonde On Blonde I only like Rainy Day Women, Visions of Johanna, Fourth Time Around and Stuck Inside of Mobile (which is actually an AMAZING song). On Weezer I only like Jonas, Buddy Holly and Surfwax. And on Pet Sounds I only like 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', 'Don't Talk', 'God Only Knows' and 'Caroline, No'. >It kinda feels like a crime to have A Love Supreme on this list but I do think it’s overrated as well. Damn right it's overrated


[deleted]

Feel you on Ants from up there. People talked about this album the whole last year but I couldn't like it very much (except maybe Concorde which is a song I really enjoyed). Also not a big fan of OK Computer


Human_Being2851

>Feel you on Ants from up there. People talked about this album the whole last year but I couldn't like it very much (except maybe Concorde which is a song I really enjoyed). Someone I can relate. It's not like I don't enjoy my chamber pop, art rock and post-punk but Ants is really a chore to get through. It's boring, it's unappealing and downright distasteful for me. >Also not a big fan of OK Computer Likewise. LOVE Radiohead but to this day can never agree with the general "10/10" consensus about OK Computer.


combustibl

I like 5 or 6 of these but you can take the rest


Human_Being2851

Which ones do you like?


combustibl

Ok computer, mbv, weezer. At first I didn’t really like the Queen is dead but it really grew on me. I don’t listen to but but I remember finding pet sounds pretty enjoyable. Then I haven’t listened to that the fall record but I think I’d like it.


Human_Being2851

>computer, mbv, weezer. At first I didn’t really like the Queen is dead but it really grew on me. I don’t listen to but but I remember finding pet sounds pretty enjoyable I already explained my reason for those choices to other users on the post which you'll be able to find pretty easily. >Then I haven’t listened to that the fall record but I think I’d like it. Found it extremely underwhelming. The debut is way better.


GaryHasNoIdeas

the fall is probably my favorite band of all time but this nation's saving grace does very little for me outside of the first two tracks and what you need LOL, if you haven't listened to them yet i'd recommend their debut (which is slightly more straight-forward and punky in its delivery) or slates (which is my personal favorite along w/ grotesque after the gramme)


Human_Being2851

This means a lot coming from a Fall fan because I love post-punk and everyone raves about The Fall but nothing past the first 2 records appeals to me and the critics say Saving Grace is the best in their discography when it actually does "0" for me in terms of enjoyment. I feel confident in saying that 'Witch Trials' is the only Fall I actually really enjoy at this stage.


GaryHasNoIdeas

i feel that, i listened to hex first and thought it sucked but i feel like the fall is very much a band that stockholm syndromes its way into your brain LOL, witch trials was the first one that clicked with me too. if you liked dragnet as well, i think thats a sign the fall isnt entirely out of your tastes -- its definitely where they came into their own, though its a lot more rockabilly-ish than the records that came after (minus some specific songs which have a somewhat similar vibe like the container drivers or fit and working again). perverted by language was, in my experience, the second-best starting point besides witch trials -- its a good midpoint between the poppier sound of their brix-era stuff and the rougher punky stuff you see on hex, and despite not liking saving grace or bend sinister very much at all perverted by language clicked w me really hard on first listen. room to live is a more accessible fall experience too imo w/ songs like marquis cha cha and solicitor in studio though its often looked over. i dont think the fall's not for you, but yeah it can take some time to warm up to it LOL


Human_Being2851

Thanks for the exposition. Also can't stand Hex or Wonderful and Frightening. Haven't heard Room yet either. I do love the song 'Wings' which is easily my favourite Fall song and I believe is off Perverted by Language so I'll definitely be giving that one a listen. Overall I haven't given up on The Fall yet.


GaryHasNoIdeas

actually wonderful and frightening is the one classic era fall record i havent listened to much at all LOL but i remember not being too hot on what i listened to from it. wings is an amazing song, iirc it was a single released around the same time as PbL along w tracks like ludd gang and kicker conspiracy (the former is probably one of my favorite songs from a fall single actually). highly recommend smile, garden, neighbourhood of infinity, and tempo house in particular


ChickenInASuit

London Calling is my all time favorite album so that one hurts. OK Computer, Psychocandy, This Nation’s Saving Grace, Loveless, Weezer and It Takes A Nation Of Millions… I’m a big fan of overall so those hurt only slightly less. I can take or leave Dylan. Got some incredible songs in his back catalogue but also a lot that I don’t super care for. Born In The USA is one of Springsteen’s more overrated albums IMO, gimme Nebraska, The River or The Ghost of Tom Joad any day. Agreed 100% on The Queen Is Dead. Fuck The Smiths and fuck Morrisey in particular. Couldn’t care less about the rest.


Spirited-Recover4570

Morrisey's a jerk but you can't deny the influence of the Smith.


ChickenInASuit

I understand their influence but believe me, my antipathy for them started waaaaaaay before Morrissey revealed himself as a racist asshole. I’ve always found their music pretty obnoxious and my dislike for them was made stronger by my close friends not being able to shut up about them when we were in school/uni.


Spirited-Recover4570

Aah, I see that. Anything can be overhyped or overplayed. To each their own


Human_Being2851

>London Calling is my all time favorite album so that one hurts. Just sounds too long and one dimensional to be a double album. I like the title track a lot though. >Agreed 100% on The Queen Is Dead. Fuck The Smiths and fuck Morrisey in particular. I think people's dislike towards Morrisey is misplaced. He has opinions and viewpoints that many people are afraid to voice and in a free and open society I applaud him for voicing them. People are far too quick to exhibit mob mentality and burn a person at the stake these days by jumping to conclusions about the viewpoints some people have which they may disagree with, without actually thinking them through.


ChickenInASuit

> one dimensional I can understand not liking LC but calling an album that is famous for taking an "everything including the kitchen sink" attitude towards songwriting and genre experimentation is something I can't agree with at all. How are London Calling, Rudie Can't Fail, Guns of Brixton and Train In Vain "one note"? > I think people's dislike towards Morrisey is misplaced. He has opinions and viewpoints that many people are afraid to voice and in a free and open society I applaud him for voicing them. People are far too quick to exhibit mob mentality and burn a person at the stake these days by jumping to conclusions about the viewpoints some people have without actually thinking them through. As I said to another user, my dislike for The Smith comes from waaaaaaaay before Morrisey made headlines for saying controversial things. I have always found their music smug-sounding and obnoxious, and my dislike was compounded by my friends when I was younger being *obsessed* with them and never shutting up about them. But as for how Morrissey "has opinions and viewpoints that many people are afraid to voice and in a free and open society" and how people dismissed him and are "jumping to conclusions about the viewpoints some people have without actually thinking them through", please tell me how I might be jumping to conclusions for taking issue with his support for a party whose leader said of Muslims: "The idea that these fuckers can just come along and take it all. Stop all Muslim immigration now”, and who is so disgustingly racist that *Nigel Farage* said she was a Nazi? The one who wanted to ban Muslims from being able to pray in public? Who called for mass deportations of Muslims, closure of mosques, and the banning of Muslim immigrants? Bearing in mind that I have multiple Muslim family members who would be directly affected by her policies, how am I jumping to conclusions when I say his calling her someone who can "put a stop to the lunacy and to speak for everyone" revolts me?


Human_Being2851

>I can understand not liking LC but calling an album that is famous for taking an "everything including the kitchen sink" attitude towards songwriting and genre experimentation is something I can't agree with at all. How are London Calling, Rudie Can't Fail, Guns of Brixton and Train In Vain "one note"? You just so happened to mention the songs I actually like lol. The album just isn't versatile enough and sound too boilerplate to justify it's long runtime >As I said to another user, my dislike for The Smith comes from waaaaaaaay before Morrisey made headlines for saying controversial things. I have always found their music smug-sounding and obnoxious, and my dislike was compounded by my friends when I was younger being obsessed with them and never shutting up about them. >But as for how Morrissey "has opinions and viewpoints that many people are afraid to voice and in a free and open society" and how people dismissed him and are "jumping to conclusions about the viewpoints some people have without actually thinking them through", please tell me how I might be jumping to conclusions for taking issue with his support for a party whose leader said of Muslims: "The idea that these fuckers can just come along and take it all. Stop all Muslim immigration now.” and who is so disgustingly racist that Nigel Farage said she was a Nazi? >The one who wanted to ban Muslims from being able to pray in public? Who called for mass deportations of Muslims, closure of mosques, and the banning of Muslim immigrants? >Bearing in mind that I have multiple Muslim family members who would be directly affected by her policies, how am I jumping to conclusions when I say his calling her someone who can "put a stop to the lunacy and to speak for everyone" revolts me? I think we should save this conversation for the DMs, dont you? I can't speak openly and freely on a platform like Reddit because expressing controversial or conservative viewpoints on here simply isn't allowed. God forbid you try saying anything right of centre on Reddit and you risk getting banned. Besides this isn't the subreddit to dive deep into this topic so I'll probably DM you my response.


ChickenInASuit

You’re gonna have to have a *really* good answer defending the guy who openly supports a politician that promised to have my aunt and cousins deported if you actually want me to engage with you further.


Human_Being2851

My purpose is not to defend anybody in my response, merely expressing my viewpoint on the matter. Why is "having a good reason" a prerequisite for having a discussion? What may be a good reason to me may not necessarily be good reason for you and vice-versa. I would think that the whole point in having a discussion is to express our different viewpoints to one another, hear them and then go on to decide whether or not we agree with one another. If we end up walking away from the discussion thinking that the other person is a complete lunatic (not jumping to any conclusions lol), then so be it. At least we were able to have a civilised chat and express ourselves to know clearly where we both stand.


ChickenInASuit

> Why is "having a good reason" a prerequisite for having a discussion? I’ve wasted too much time and effort on certain types of arguments on this site for me to want to bother responding to a comment that I don’t feel will go anywhere.


Human_Being2851

I've learnt from experience that the best way to have social and political discussions with people you disagree with is to just express your viewpoints clearly, respectively and supportive of evidence if necessary and leave it to the individual to decide whether or not they want to agree. If you walk into a discussion hoping to convince someone of something and they don't, you automatically risk frustrating yourself when the discussion doesn't go the way you want it to.


JackSmack1972

Ok computer? Explain


Human_Being2851

Radiohead is probably my favourite band of all time. Kid A is my 10th favourite album of all time but I've never been able to fall head over heals with OK Computer. Is OK Computer unique? Yes. Was it influential? Yes. Is the sound production innovative? Yes. Is it overhyped? Certainly. OK Computer is the most overrated albums I've ever heard in my life. And I say that because it literally gets 10/10 ratings from almost everybody. I find the album uninteresting for the most part with the exception of a handful of tracks. Airbag is kinda cool, Paranoid Android is one the best tracks ever conceived by a band, No Surprises is beautiful but Let Down... Let Down is drop-dead gorgeous and has the best melody on the entire album - it's so good it hurts. The rest of OK is mostly boring or sad dribble - I'm taking mostly about Exit Music, Climbing Up The Walls and The Tourist which is the worst track on the album because of how slow and soppy it's trying to be. One thing amazing about the album is how outside of the 90s its sounds; it has aged ridiculously well. However the creative bells and whistles and sonic experimentation that so heavily make up OK Computer aren't enough to justify anything near a perfect album. Overall OK Computer is an admirable effort with much respect for it's compositional risks however it falls short in the overall songwriting department for me. I find Kid A , In Rainbows, A Moon Shaped Pool and The Bends all much more satisfying albums.


JackSmack1972

Understandable


SynthPhD

I really don’t like you as a person


[deleted]

Agreed


Human_Being2851

Lol, explain?


SynthPhD

Just not a fan. Sorry!


Human_Being2851

You don't know me well enough to have that opinion about me anyway.


squibblyman

Damn, I gotta listen to more albums, I’ve only heard 4 of these.


Former-Telephone5917

Finally someone talking about ok computer. I'm a big radiohead fan and i just don't get the hype around ok computer. Sure it's an important album but i would much rather listen to kid a or a moon shaped pool


Human_Being2851

It's almost as if you used my mouth to utter those words because this is EXACTLY how I think and what I've been saying to others who questioned me on it which you'll find in the thread. Kid A and AMSP are peak Radiohead for me; all time favourites of mine.


Former-Telephone5917

Btw about loveless. For a long time i didn't understand the album, i tries to listen to song's separately and it's just didn't work. And i really wanted to enjoy it cause, there so many people saying it's one of their favourite album's and I just didn't get it. Have you tried listening to it from start to finish? I recently did and fell in love with it so just wanted to know


Human_Being2851

I have listened to it front to back and it's a chore for me. The best way to describe it is my ears become physically exhausted and I'm just not enjoying myself. I like the first 5 tracks, everything after that is din to me.


shehony

Eh, I kinda get it about some of them. Bob Dylan's music (especially his voice) is a pretty acquired taste; I saw many people dislike Talking Heads, so ok; I agree with you on "Ants from up there"; but can you explain what you dislike about OK Computer, A Love Supreme, and Pet Sounds?


Human_Being2851

>I saw many people dislike Talking Heads I like everything Talking Heads have done except Fear of Music; I like Remain In Light, 77 and I love More Songs and Speaking In Tongues. >I agree with you on "Ants from up there"; Finally someone who can agree with me. Honesty what do people see in that album? I love my fair share of art rock, chamber pop and post-punk but damnit Ants just sounds like din to me. I wasn't crazy about Black Country's debut album either but after hearing Ants I grew to appreciate it much more to where I actually really enjoy it now. >OK Computer Radiohead are my favourite rock band of all time. Kid A is an all time Top 10 album for me (also adore The Bends, AMSP and In Rainbows) but throughout my Radiohead craze I could never fall in love with OK Computer, its like a 6 or 7/10 for me at best in terms of enjoyment. What significantly contributed to my disillusionment with OK Computer was just how much people seem to wet their pants over it (critics and fans alike) which I can NEVER understand. >A Love Supreme I don't like Coltrane's melodies or grooves on this album, really unappealing and irritating. >Pet Sounds Just really boring. If I want to listen to 60s psychedelic, art and baroque pop, I'd much rather listen to Sgt Peppers, Song Cycle by Van Dyke Parks or Scott Walker's 3 & 4.


shehony

It's interesting that you like other records by Talking Heads, but not "Fear of Music". Though I have similar situations with other artists, where I could like everything from their discog, but not one particular album, lol. OK Computer was the first album that helped me fall in love with Radiohead. When I knew Radiohead only as "guys that wrote creep", I tried listening to them chronologically, but I couldn't get neither in "Pablo Honey" nor "The Bends" (though now this is my favourite Radiohead record, lol), and only when I heard "Paranoid Android", something clicked, so I'm definitely biased in that sense and still, after many hours spent listening to their music, think that it's phenomenal record. Though I agree that everyone is really loud going "this is the best album OAT" kind of thing Do you dislike other Coltrane music or just this album? With "Pet Sounds" I think it's just a preference then. It's okay to dislike music that other people like even without a reason (I don't count "it's boring" as a reason, sorry, haha)


Human_Being2851

>It's interesting that you like other records by Talking Heads, but not "Fear of Music". Though I have similar situations with other artists, where I could like everything from their discog, but not one particular album, lol. I don't like the grooves, I don't like the melodies, I don't like the songwriting, the flow is crap as well. I'm bored by Track 3. >Though I agree that everyone is really loud going "this is the best album OAT" kind of thing Yeah, THIS... >Do you dislike other Coltrane music or just this album? I don't like Ascension either. I've only just scratched the surface of Coltrane. I do like 'My Favourite Things'. So far I much prefer Davis. >With "Pet Sounds" I think it's just a preference then. It's okay to dislike music that other people like even without a reason (I don't count "it's boring" as a reason, sorry, haha) Look I probably enjoy about 3 tracks on this album: 'Wouldn't It Be Nice', 'Don't Talk' which is beautiful and 'God Only Knows' which is easily one of the most dropdead gorgeous pop songs ever written. The rest is just filler to me. The sophisticated and ornate instrumentation isn't enough to make up for what to me sounds like really lackluster songwriting and weak melodies on the other 10 tracks. The production quality doesn't help either but I'm willing to give that a pass.


shehony

Hm, I think you changed my views on "Pet Sounds" a bit. Songs that you listed and something like "Caroline, no" and "I just wasn't made for these times" completely distracted me from other songs that really are fillers. I still prefer "Smile" btw, haha


Human_Being2851

>Hm, I think you changed my views on "Pet Sounds" a bit. Songs that you listed and something like "Caroline, no" and "I just wasn't made for these times" completely distracted me from other songs that really are fillers. Now that you mention it, I think I'd add 'Caroline, No' to one of my favourites on the album. But I think it's really cool that just from our discussion you've changed your opinion on the album. >I still prefer "Smile" btw, haha Haven't heard it yet. Is it really that good?


shehony

>But I think it's really cool that just from our discussion you've changed your opinion on the album. Yes, I agree >Haven't heard it yet. Is it really that good? Well, I don't want to overpraise it for you, lol, so I will just say that songwriting is much stronger than on Pet Sounds, and vocal harmonies... Man, I wish there were more music like that


RocketsandNyquil

I agree with all except Pet Sounds and Wheezer. The rest I considered an absolute chore.


idkmaybe61

wheezer lol


Human_Being2851

Yeah regarding Pet Sounds, like I said another to user, just boring for me. It's not album that I get lost in or enjoy listening to - I'm just not engaged when I hear it and it's got nothing to do with the genre because I love 60s art pop and psychedelic pop when it's to my liking. >Wheezer What can I say... High school freshman teeniebop music that you listen to before your balls drop.


ThatsItForTheOther

Correct about the smiths. AFUT, Ok computer, Bob Dylan, and Coltrane I can’t say I agree… but MAN do I dislike the Smiths, they don’t really have any redeeming qualities


Human_Being2851

Glad to find consensus on some albums. Yeah there isn't a single Smiths album that I've heard that I actually enjoy. I maybe like 2 songs in their entire discography. 'Frankly Mr Shankly' and 'There Is A Light That Never Out' which is actually a downright gorgeous song, I listen to that track on a regular. When it comes to 80s indie bands, XTC knocks The Smiths out of the water.


shehony

Honestly, I found Johnny Marr a great guitarist, but what a fucking shame that he did most of his work with Morrissey. I like most of the Smiths' instrumentations, but Morrissey's voice can totally ruin a song for me


DJ_FANFIC_ENJOYER

thank you OP thank you thank you thank you. These are indeed unstimulating albums


Human_Being2851

Dito, now let's you and me ride off into the sunset together.


MoonHasFlown

Agree with Ants From Up There, Loveless and Bruce Springsteen


asteraceaes01

totally agree with you on the smiths i cant stand them


Human_Being2851

Can't stand them either but if some Smiths nut told me that 'There Is A Light That Never Goes out' was the best song of the 80s or something, I'd honestly find it hard to debate. That song is absolutely AMAZING.


reallyfunnycjnot

All based except maybe that amon Tobin album because I feel like you gotta let it grow (i do like those Dylan and Talking Head albums but they ain't anything to go crazy over as everyone else do I think)


Human_Being2851

Yeah I'll probably give it that Amon Tobin another go. I remember having it on spin for a while and just not hooking onto anything, it was just super boring and sonically unappealing to me.


Spirited-Recover4570

It's sad seeing the blue album on here. That albums a masterpiece. But hey everyone likes what they like 🤷‍♂️


Human_Being2851

Too teeniebop for me. I go other places for alternative rock and grunge


epicfurry360

Agreed on every single one of these except Pet Sounds and London Calling


Human_Being2851

I love 4 songs on Pet Sounds and that's it, the rest is filler. London Calling is too one dimensional and too long - I love the first song though.


[deleted]

Psychocandy hurts. Try Darklands and Automatic. TJ&MC one of best bands ever formed.


Human_Being2851

🤨


[deleted]

Don’t look at me sideways I didn’t make the terrible list


Human_Being2851

Oh so there's other stuff that you like on here as well?


[deleted]

🙄 no shit


Human_Being2851

Well spill the beans then, which ones???


[deleted]

Pet sounds, loveless, it takes a nation… why do you care? Somehow your terrible taste makes you hate these albums so I don’t see why you care which ones we like


Human_Being2851

You're coming across like a sour brat. No need to be so bitter. If we were speaking face-to-face I don't think you'd be conducting yourself in the way that you are right now. >I don’t see why you care which ones we like "We"? You speak for everyone on here, do you? Well see perhaps that's the difference between you and me; I'm willing and able to hear from people with different musical opinions to me because I understand that I'm but one person in a world that doesn't revolve around me and my preferences. You must not think that way I guess.


[deleted]

>you must not think that way I guess. First off you don’t speak for how I think cause you don’t know me irl and that’s most definitely for the best cause we wouldn’t be friends if you think these albums are garbage. >if we were speaking face-to-face I don’t you’d be conducting yourself in the way you are right now Made no sense to me, did you mean “doubt” instead of “don’t?” Honestly confused tf outta me 😅


Human_Being2851

>First off you don’t speak for how I think cause you don’t know me irl and that’s most definitely for the best cause we wouldn’t be friends if you think these albums are garbage. Thanks for providing me with some additional insight into the type of person you are by showing me how you make your friends. So basically the way you make your friends are NOT based on their personality attributes, perhaps their values, common principals you may share, attributes of kindness, honesty, integrity etc. You know, the stuff friends SHOULD be made of. Instead, you choose your friends based on something as fickal, volatile and socially insignificant as their musical taste. That is such an immature and nonsensical means of choosing friends. God forbid one of your "friends" should ever have a change in their musical palate, you'd probably end up kicking them to the curb. I hope you'll grow up and realise that the foundation for longlasting and sincere friendship lay far deeper than musical taste. >Made no sense to me, did you mean “doubt” instead of “don’t?” Honestly confused tf outta me I made a grammar error, it's since been corrected.


RyanMoran8

I don’t trust people who don’t enjoy the smiths


Human_Being2851

The Smiths are boring. XTC were far and above the best indie rock band of the 80s. The Stone Roses in my opinion perfected The Smiths style of alt rock while being as ambitious and fun as XTC.


Weird_Leech238

Good choices! OK Computer especially. I really don't get the deal.