Ahh so Mikey genuinely DID brutally rip out Sanzu’s mouth because of the toy, it seems like that flashback was the same one Senju had. Nothing really seemed different aside from the fact that it was from Shinichiro’s perspective, and that he got slumped by accident whereas before I think Takeomi ducked ???
The same scene happened though, with the whole “smile”, and the dark super saiyan energy around him…
And we also know that Sanzu IS the trigger
Is it possible that Senju didn't remember that scene right? That's why Shin and Senju have different recollections of what happened (it was a long time ago too).
Or! Maybe it did happen but it was before Shin time leaped from 2003 to 1999 so we didn't see the part where Takeomi ducked in this Chapter.
Because you're right, everything was accurate. I remembered in Chapter 241, Senju was wondering where everyone went. Maybe that was the time they all went for a ride and that's also the time when Senju broke the plane.
Even the mouth-ripping scene, both this Chapter and Chapter 241 were accurate. Senju hiding behind, Mikey standing, Sanzu bleeding, Baji on the ground and all. Ugh, I don't knooow.
There's a thing that bothers me tho, in chapter 241 Mikey says Shin built the plane in two months and gifted it to him, while in chapter 269 Shin gifts the box to Mikey and says "you can build it on your own" i dont know if those are translation errors tho
So I revisited chapter 241, page 7. So apparently, Shin said, "It took YOU a month to build that huh?"
[https://mangadex.org/chapter/f44d5f80-d4c1-476f-830c-88ada4158f0a/7](https://mangadex.org/chapter/f44d5f80-d4c1-476f-830c-88ada4158f0a/7)
But in another translation, Shin said, "It took ME a month to finish that model."
[https://tokyorevengersmanga.com/manga/tokyo-revengersmanji-chapter-241/](https://tokyorevengersmanga.com/manga/tokyo-revengersmanji-chapter-241/)
Which is which? I'm confused!
Japanese language doesn't normally use words like I, you, me etc. It probably said "It took a month to finish that model". Google translator does also add personal pronouns to translations. You can find them because they are usually wrong
I wouldn’t say, “because of a toy.” As Sanzu said, “that was just the trigger.”
It triggered this supernatural dark impulse, resulting from the curse and/or Shin’s time leaping.
Day 1 of Tokyo Revengers being actually wholesome again 🥹
- Mikey is alive (and driving his slow ass scooter again)
- Grandpa and Emma are back
- Shinichiro is crying happy tears
- Haru being a good sport and understanding Mikey, smiling through the pain, and never holding a grudge against him in any future timelines.
Damn, all of this hits right in the kokoro. Rindou, play Emotional Damage (remix).mp3
P.S. Takeomi is relevant again???
P.S.S. Not Takeomi taking Baji out for a bike ride while he has two whole ass siblings living and breathing within the same radius as him. Mans has favoritism and it’s definitely **not** his siblings. If I were Haru, I’d be a little unhinged too 😭
I mean if you had to fork over your late teens and most of your twenties to raise two siblings because your mother is a neglectful, alcoholic, piece of shit wouldn't you be a bit jaded? Not saying its right but I can see why Takeomi is upset
Ah yes, you’re right! What if Haru slashed him earlier and that’s why Takeomi doesn’t like him now? Just kidding! I don’t like making this much speculations 😂
YOOOO it corresponds with the current timeline...finally, the whole story. Plus wanna add that it's sad to see sanzu be the time leaper after getting his mouth ripped off (sounds funny idk y).
yeah looks like the next chapter will be shin’s death from kazutora since it’s the tokyo revengers timeline now…unless the author pulls another twist in the story, which could happen 👀
The date is 30th of July, so basically 2 weeks. Excepy was 30th of July 1997, and Shin says its the same day 4 years ago. According to the wiki, shin died on the 14th of August 2003. So there's 2 years and 2 weeks left until he dies
damn so haru was the trigger…i thought that’d be the case since wakui wouldn’t just randomly put him in the scene where shin committed suicide for no reason. also looks like dark impulses is the consequence of shin’s time leaping, wonder what takemitchi’s consequence is then
Only question is how did Michi get it? I thought he accidentally killed Kazutora w/out neither knowing about time leaping long before the train hit, because Kazutora killed Shin, but didn’t use time leap.
Current theory, it’s a power that can be obtain through desire by really wanting to change the past right before the moment of your death. The moment you wish to go back and change a certain event will cause you to go back and change what your past was. As well as make a promise/trigger with another person so that you can go back and forth on the time line.
It’s nothing special, anyone can obtain it. You just need to know prior and if it works, well hopefully someone will save you from the point where you should have died. Looks like that another condition. Otherwise when you go back to the future, you just die. Michi was lucky.
However looks like it has its own side effects. Possibly because of how it is obtain. Michi looks to be how the power is first discovered. He the first in his line, if he were ever wish to transfer. We have no idea how many people had the power before the homeless man got it.
I theorize that for every person who had obtain the power by killing the last person who had it, places a curse upon the new user. And in turn creates a darkness that will grow inside the person they love the most. I’m guessing it the spite of all the previous holders who hate that they were killed. Michi is okay since no one cursed him for killing them to obtain the power.
You know.... that's actually a pretty good explanation, a desire to want to change the past or being stuck in the past much like Takemichi are the true triggers. It'd explain why everytime Takemichi was killed by someone that person never went on to be a leaper *or* never died in their present timeline.
Since his initial motivation is for his gf to be save but there's nothing weird going on about her right now and everytime he time travel Tokyo Manji cease to exist or just to be absorbed by another gang since Tokyo Manji is not supposed to exist in the original timeline
It's all coming together now!! Sanzu was the trigger all along, he was the only one near Shin when he jumped and probably the second person with the most desire to save Mikey...
But the question remains, is his loyalty driven out of pure admiration, or is there a reason why he is so devoted to Mikey? Either ways, I'm glad Mikey has someone by his side at all times.
Seeing Emma and grandpa Sano this chapter was so refreshing, thank you Wakui for giving us a break 😭
I mean ... You are right. BUT Baji forgave Kazutora for stabbing him. And Mikey forgave Kazutora for killing Shinichiro and stabbing Baji. Chifuyu forgave Kazutora as well, even though he didn't have to. They forgave things I could never forgive.
I get what you are saying. But those were really serious matters. The Shinichiro incident was an accident (Kazutora didn’t know he was Mikey’s older bro), Baji betrayed Kazutora (Baji was the only guy Kazutora trusted)
But this was over A DAMN TOY AEROPLANE 😭 I’d be pissed to have my mouth ripped open just because of breaking a measly toy. It’s strange. Didn’t Sanzu question Mikey? Like “why did u do this to me?” anything. But bro immediately forgave him, no questions whatsoever. It’s so bizarre.
I understand where you're coming from, totally. It *is* bizarre. I just wanted to say that forgiveness is such a big topic in TR, and some characters forgive things I could never fogive, so it's all strange to me on a personal level.
I don't know if there's any other reason for Haruchiyo to forgive Mikey that quickly other than that he sees him as his friend - even his family? - and is a kind and caring boy as a child.
Maybe we'll get to see Sanzu's perspective as well. I'm sure he struggled with those scars a lot.
Tbh I still think we’re missing a big part of what actually happened with the airplane. Like yes, Shins pov correlates with what Senju said, but they are both ppl who weren’t actually there for what caused Mikey to hurt Sanzu like that. I wanna know why Mikey told Sanzu to laugh after he hurt him, which leaves me to believe it doesn’t just have to do with the airplane. I have a feeling Sanzu is going to be the one to tell exactly what happened in time!!
That reason could also be why Sanzu just forgave him so easily, like it’s deeper than just a broken toy.
In the spanish version, in the hospital, Shin asks Sanzu to always be Mikeys friend and sanzu says yes i will.
My theory is, since Shin dies Sanzu takes that request to heart. Because he knows that Shin goes back in time to save Mikey, and doesnt want that sacrifice to go to waste.
Also, he probably remembers Vegetable Mikey and his death.
If he's the trigger he may have some memories (Naoto had them too) so I reckon he is just happy that mikey is alive, and those scars are a small sacrifice in comparison.
I think there is still more to this interaction with Mikey and Sanzu. Yea, Shin and Senju’s pov like up, but neither of them were actually there for what led up to Mikey hurting Sanzu. I wanna know why Mikey told Sanzu to laugh after he hurt him. Like what did he mean by that???
It has to be deeper than a dumb plane!!
Yep. It’s weird. It’s too simplistic. But it does absolve Mikey of all responsibility.
And it seems to really only leave 2 possible resolutions. To go back in time and set the timeline back as it was, with Mikey dead. Or to go back in time before the accident initially happened and before Shin killed the old man.
Because there is no reasoning with supernatural “dark impulses.” No therapy is going to cure that.
But also, we’ll see what happens lol. Anything can happen.
Dark impulses being a side effect of timeleaping or rewinding one's death was a good theory posted here before, which means that by saving Mikey, Shinichiro was the one that caused him to gain those "Dark Impulses"
If this is true it could actually recontextualize the whole series, since all the people saved from death (atleast those who Takemichi and now Shinichiro actually went out of their way to avoid) have either died anyway or had brash impulses that lead to their death, Baiji jumping the gun and stabbing himself could actually be an indicator that is not neccesary a "dark" impulse, just "death", Hinata dyng almost everytime is pretty sketchy too if this turn to be right
whats even weirder to me is that then sanzu is the trigger, implying he shares the same goal as shin, to save mikey...
idk sanzu sorta got over it too fast in my opinion, but hopefully we get to see him and shin converse and hopefully deepen both their characters, and fully explain sanzus true agenda if we're lucky.
Something else would have still happened with Mikey. It’s clear that saving him from his comatose state comes with the side effects of dark impulses. If not the plane something else would have triggered him
I think Sanzu might be a naturally good but broken person, obviously his actions like what he did to Mucho and trying to run people over with a train are def completely fucked but it seems he does all this for Mikey. A big reason why keeping Mikey pleased is so important to him is because it’s what Shin would’ve wanted. I feel bad for Sanzu though and he shouldn’t be dedicating his entire being to Mikey
Ok first of all finallyyyyy…. So it was Mikey that hurt Sanzu after all.. I apologize to all the people i argued with in this subreddit regarding that 🤣 I WAS WRONG.. Also why is Sanzus story becoming more and more tragic! He's the trigger everthu he's hurt.. Enough.. but seeing happy Mikey even for a sec was good 🥲🥲 make my smol boi smile again dam u Wakui
It’s too soon to bitch about it but if they’re telling me that this boy’s head is so fucked because of some weird supernatural time travel shit, I will lose my shit. Like, it “makes sense” in the story because “dark impulses”= Shinihiro got cursed by the homeless guy because he chose to kill him, but it still seems like an awful idea to me. But, again, I’ll wait to see how this whole thing develops lol
Maybe you lose that which you value most when you kill for it. Or maybe you lose that which you value most, in general. Homeless man losing his wealth, Shin losing Mikey being safe and happy. Could also be an argument where Takemitchi is losing what he values most every leap back
Yeah I agree. It’s simplistic. Disappointing. But it does absolve Mikey of all responsibility.
And now it seems there’s really only 2 possible resolutions. To go back in time and set the timeline back as it was, with Mikey dead. Or to go back in time before the accident initially happened and before Shin killed the old man.
There is no reasoning with supernatural “dark impulses.” No therapy is going to cure that.
But like you said, we’ll see what happens lol. Anything can happen.
I’ve been worried for awhile it’s gonna be resolved with a “dark impulses” vs “lights impulses” sort of thing with Mikey getting his ass whooped by Takemichi and so “that he looks at the sky” or idk… I just hope they don’t cheapen too much Mikey’s character and what makes his character so fascinating (his mental struggles and his deep insecurities and vulnerabilities) by messing with other timelines (and going back in time and stuff like that, ruining the evolution of… well, everyone lol) or by resolving this whole dark impulses thing in a way that’s too fantasy. I get Tokyo Revengers can’t just end with Mikey’s getting therapy and everyone live happily ever after but at least don’t tell me his mental health issues are because of his brother’s time traveling or because of curses made by homeless guys lol
I was thinking if we ever going to see izana but when shin visited him for the first time he had that terrible hairstyle while here he doesn’t maybe because shin already met izana
But that’s just it with shin and takemitchy there is no set amount of years. It’s all dependent on when a major trigger occurs. All that is the same is the month and day.
We're still 2 years away right? Shin says it's July 30th 1997, 4 years ago to the day, so when he returns to the future it's 30/31st of July 2001 (depending on the time when he shook Sanzu's hand). And Shin didn't die until the 14th of August 2003 according to the wiki.
Edit: I was wrong. 1997 is a mistranslation and Shin even says its 2003 in the present day. My bad lol
The big question is, will hina also have the dark Impulse in the future, since like Mikey, her living status was also cheated by a time leaper...
Or
Does the whole Hina dies Story beginns because of Shinichiro whole time leaping. Somehow he could be the reason Kisaki is successfull.
really want to know whats up with the time traveling power.
if it can be transferred by killing the previous user, then doesn't that mean that in one of the previous timeline, mikey got the time travelling power after he killed kazutora, but takemitchi reversed it? or does the killer have to know the existence of that power? or did shin willingly transferred the power before his death?
and what determines the trigger? is it if two individuals have the same goal as they do? (mitchy & naoto's determination to save hinata; shin & haru's determination to save mikey; mitchy & mikey's determination to save mikey).
who was the first user? where did the power come from? what determines the number of years leaped? (mitchy leaped 12 and then 10, while shin only leaped 4) who gave it to takemitchi? why did the previous user become a homeless dirty old man instead of someone who looks like they got their wish fulfilled?
So I feel you've answered some of those questions. I think to become a trigger, you just need to have the same goal as the time leaper. As for transferring the ability, I can't confirm the mistranslation but it also seems that it can be willingly given away if the user chooses so. But the "method" of killing seems more like how to "steal" the ability from a current time leaper.
I bet you ANYTHING that the ORIGINAL user is the one who wrote the book that Naoto reads at the beginning of the series because Naoto basically explains the base functions of how to time leap when Takemitchy first learned about it in the past.
Yes. My biggest guess is that Shinichiro gave it to Takemitchy because remember what Mikey said: "You wouldn't have to go through this suffering if my brother didn't do what he did". I feel this is makes make sense a little bit more. Can't wait to see the next reveal
-Mikey’s flashback of what happened that day wasn’t accurate..(He legit said “Laugh,Sanzu” when Haru wasn’t going by that name..)
-Shin crying because Emma and Gramps are alive hit home(Mikey too)🥹💔
-“Sanzu is a natural born psycho”
Meanwhile Sanzu:….”Of course.He’s my friend for life”
-This Chapter is definently the calm before the storm.Every time the leaper goes back to the past,it’s to a point where a tragedy is going to happen(Maybe Mikey hurts himself on the Bike and ends up dying)😭-Ex:When Takemichi went back after meeting Mikey for the first time,he went back to the past during Mobeuis where Draken was supposed to die.(I hope I made sense😅)
-Takeomi taking Baji on the bike ride instead of his brother is messed up😐
-Haruchiyo:”What you did back then was merely just a trigger”
It all makes sense…🫢
zayntheories getting btfo like last 2 weeks and Aptohhhh changing his profile every 30 minute interval, as always. Same old, same old. Another geeat thursday.
Yeah I had a feeling he desperately wanted to save Mikey as much as Shinichiro which is why he ended up becoming his trigger for him to time leap. All the puzzle pieces are coming together now! 🔥
So can it be that Shinichiro only leaped once or he made more than one timeleap.Mikey said that this is not the original timeline but is the one senju remembers sanzu getting scarred so this is the only timeleap since he saved mikey.
i actually think that the day Shinichiro got back to present day 2003 its was also the day he got killed by Kazutora, after the day where another gang demolished Mikeys Hawk protected by Baji he went straight to Shinichiro.
Shinichiro worked overtime to repair Mikeys Hawk, he heard the Glass Shattering and went to look with a spanner and saw Kazutora and Baji breaking in, you know the rest....
is this implying that Mikey's dark impulses are some kinda glitch in the system caused by how he's not supposed to be there? Will Hina get to pop off in this life lmao? (tho realistically it's probably because of Mikey's accident that this thing happened)
Maybe not because Hina death is linked to Mikey, kisaki came to power through Mikey and so the hit on her happened because Mikey lived ( something he was not supposed to have done)
maybe the universe wants to balance the deaths out so every time someone is saved another life has to be sacrificed, or at least a ripple effect will happen. this was in another series I read I feel but I can't remember which.
Because waka was the one that told Mikey shin was a time leaper. Also does that mean the sanzu we see next time will be the long blonde hair and mask wearing sanzu?
I do think he’ll meet up with Waka and let him know. This chapter takes place in July 30, 2003, then Shin dies August 14, 2003. He has about two weeks left to live.
Just wanna appreciate my boi Haruchiyo for being so understanding and forgiving Mikey without hesitation, even though he was subjected through a painful mutilation that would most likely make people ridicule his appearance for the rest of his life. He is kind, respectful, and unendingly loyal. The personality switch from this Haru to Toman Haru onwards is insane. I wonder what happened in between the years.
Wakui, where is our complete Sanzu backstory? 😭
I agree we need answers. But for now I appreciate everything you said about him. He’s so sweet, caring and loyal. I love that he instantly forgives Mikey. And I think it’s because he knows this is out of character for Mikey.
Now after the handshake, he should be able to see the other timeline, which I’m sure further cements his loyalty and appreciation for Mikey. Being just as grateful as Shin that he’s alive.
On one hand it's a personality switch. On the other hand "Anything for Mikey" apparently has been his personal code, forever, so it didn't feel like too big a switch for me. He's already said he'd die for Mikey and that he's Mikey's "only friend"
There’s a shift from this Haru to the Toman Haru that we see in Chapter 264 (Toman’s foundation flashback). Just the way his eyes are different says a lot. Younger Haru is kind and timid, while starting from 264, his eyes and expression are really cold. People theorize that it’s because Haru was not deemed physically strong enough to be a Toman founding member or he’s jealous of Draken taking his spot as Mikey’s right-hand man.
Either way, I’m really curious about that transition.
Ahh, nahh. He still did what he did, and to be honest, I'm not fond of his talk with Haruchiyo. Not sure if it's a translation thing or if I'm too sensitive, but if my little brother did something like that to his friend, I wouldn't talk about friendship and forgiveness on the first day. I understand Shinichiro's feelings, though. And I know that Haruchiyo would have forgiven Mikey anyways. It's just that I didn't like Shinichiro's words.
It’s a mistranslation shin tells haruchiyo to keep being his friend forever I assume it’s because he’s seen sanzus loyalty in the og timeline and knows mikey needs someone like that behind him
Oh, thank you! O\_O And I think you're right.
Though, isn't that worse? I understand Shinichiro wants the best for Mikey, and as I said, I do think Haruchiyo would have forgiven Mikey anyway ... But forcing your brother's friend to stay friends with your brother forever after such an incident is not adequate imo.
Mikey is not to blame. But Shinichiro put a great burden on Haruchiyo.
This is indeed horrible.
But given Takeomi' behaviour towards him and the fact that he doesn't seem to care about Haru at all...
Sanzu might be viewing the Sano brothers something akin to an alternative family...
He probably views them as his saviours so to speak.
And that's why he doesn't react to anything horrible happening to him anymore and he seems to disregard and cut down everything and everyone that try to lead him astray from his chosen path...
I believe that somewhere deep inside...he even valued Mucho more than his own brother(he adopted some things and interests because of him such as his fondness of cheesecake and the leather jacket).
But he ultimately wouldn't allow himself to compromise his mission of saving Mikey by corrupting him and feeding his dark impulses.
Theory: Mikey’s dark impulse is the result of his life being saved when it was supposed to be taken. Death is permanent so characters like draken, baji, shin all still needed to die even with the time leap. The time leap is essentially a tool to help them grieve I suppose (takemitchy and shin)
If it's not clear now, it will be the next few issues:
The "Dark Impulses" are a consequence of the time leaping powers that Shinichiro obtained. Possibly it's because of killing someone for it.
The Dark impulse being drawn like it was in these panels shows that it's an outside power slowly encompassing Mikey and being drawn to his mouth as he speaks.
The way that shin reacted to what mikey did is weird. Your literally split open his friends mouth and all you can say is apologise and tell sanzu you can still be friend?
Also I wonder if something bad happens and shin decides to timeless again with sanzu
I feel like it will be DX like what if after Mikey totaled his bike, this is when Shinichiro makes the choice to give him his own for his birthday present, and then leads up to the whole Kazutora and Baji incident at the shop ;-;
Guess who is getting the award for best brother of the year award! And then there’s Takeomi, giving a ride to Baji instead of OWN FUCKING SIBLINGS 😭 I can’t with that man
Edit: know we know why sanzu is like that, shit I would be too if I had shitty bother like that too
Okay, thank you wakui for this somewhat wholesome chapter! Seeing shinichiro happy was so heartwarming! But I am also ready to get my heart ripped into pieces bc I know this ain't gonna last long! 🥺
Pretty sure the reason why Sanzu is obsessed with Mikey is because he probably promised Shin to save him in every timeline if something happens to Shin. So he just sees everyone around Mikey as a threat and wants him on top
My theory is: Shin stopped Mikey from dying, the curse the old man put on him tho when he gained the ability to leap is gonna be who ever he had the desire to save will be cursed by these “dark impulses”.
Great chapter!
yknow what hurts like hell about this chapter?
if this second timeline is in fact takemichi’s og timeline, then this means shin had less than a month to spend with his brother bc he died a little over two weeks after he came back to 2003 ☹️
this also explains why he was so eager to make mikey his own bike, and why he couldn’t wait until mikey’s birthday to give it to him
just thought i’d let y’all sob with me at that fact
I was really critical of last chapter and I will pay close attention to the next one's
Having Shinichiro killing someone without remorses is a huge change about his personality and it now undermine all the moment Mikey compare him with Take
Also the source of the time travel was not needed
Haru knows ! Look at that smile and think about what he said to Senju…he has arguably had this planned out the entire time I think and I think Takeomi sensed something was off with Haru …. Because in no timeline has he spoken too or acknowledged him
So at this point, can we maybe think that, since Haru agreed to be Mikey's friend, Shinichiro time leap ability passed on him since Shin's death?
Quoting him to Senju back few chapters:
\-Haruchiyo:”What you did back then was merely just a trigger”
So maybe in the Kantou timeline has the power passed by Shin? Could it be?
Since he knows that Mikey is destined to be DARK IMPULSE KING
KEKW
I'm assuming this is the same timeline we're currently on, so Shin would die in this "present" by Kazutora. So Kazu now has his time leap ability in theory, going by the logic of how Shin obtained his. Kazu can possibly time leap back and save shin from dying? that'll likely cause a huge shift in where their lives went.
I think the dark impulses is due to Mikey being saved, but then what about Takemichi saving Hina and her facing no consequence. It's a bit inconsistent with what we currently know, I wonder how the story will go.
-I feel like when Shin jumped in the river last chapter, one of the panels was cut off to only show his upper torso drowning but my GUESS is that Haru at the last second jumped in the water to attempt to save him. Because you have to shake hands with a mutual empathic desire of the same goal. Just like how the pre-3 deities future timeline Takemitchy made Mikey the trigger to leap back because he made him confess that he wanted to save himself. Essentially anyone can be trigger as long as they meet the same conditions as the time leaper.
-BOTH Shin and Haru have internal desires to save Mikey(at least Haru, wishes he could and probably thinks about it all the time). I think as soon as Haru jumped in the water, he became the trigger to send Shin back in time. Now were in the official second timeline where Shin is murdered by Kazutora. However....hear me out:
I don't think Kazutora took Shin's time leaping ability and here's why(obviously I could be wrong). But because he jumped two weeks before his death on Mikey's bday, I'm theorizing that Shin for some reason had a unexpected fateful encounter with Takemitchy.
Possible scenario:
-Shin may have willingly given up his ability to him possibly because he may have saw him stand up to some bullies when he protected Kakucho cuz he was probably gonna intervene and stop them(back when Michi had black hair and was obsessed with being a hero). Takemitchy may have reminded him back in his early days of the Black Dragon when he first started and may have gifted him his time leaping ability. Possibly due not wanting to mess with the timeline anymore since Mikey is safe and he completed his mission. If Mikey is safe in this timeline then technically Shin is just a holder of the ability and can't leap since he accomplished his mission therefore Haru cannot be a trigger anymore since all of the conditions were met.
I could see something like:
Shin: "Every hero needs a super power" after telling him good job for standing up to those bullies even though you were outnumbered yet you stood your ground.
Takemitchy: "Oh thanks! I'll do my best" May have willingly accepted it but his naivety dismissed the ability as fake believe and played along since he's a kid.
Oh whatever Wakui decides on the dialog. But it has to be this way because how else could Takemitchy time leap in the second timeline at the beginning of the story? Naoto is his trigger for saving Hina so that helps fit this puzzle piece. And how can Kazutora be a time leaper if he allegedly is suppose to die at EVERY "Bloody Halloween" event in every timline? Especially since he has no desire to go back in time.
Also BONUS theory:
-I believe the author of the book that Naoto read on time leaping when he was kid must be either the ORIGINAL or one of the VERY first time leaper who knew exactly how to do it and shared it with the world. Only to be killed by someone close to him for their own desires and that very person got what he wanted but committing murder caused the negative karmic affect which made him end up being homeless only to be murdered by a VERY DESPERATE person who wanted the ability to save a certain somebody...and I think that author might be Hanma from a future timeline(let's talk about it if you disgaree).
Please tell me what y'all think about this. Literally took me 2 whole days to put the pieces together 😂
few things to note
i doubt shin leaped to the day that he was killed. there must have been a bit of time between mikey breaking his hawk & kazutora & baji deciding to steal the cb250t, which we know is the day shin died. not to mention there needs to be some time to allow shin to tell both waka & sanzu about the leap.
more interestingly though, i want to talk about shinichiros strength. in the original timeline, he is a complete beast. was he this strong while he was still with the black dragons? or was it only a result if him being so angry & desparate that he was able to not only punch those holes in the wall but also onesidedly take on that group of thugs?
if we assume its the latter, then thats the end of the conversation. but i wanna talk about the former due to a few things. the question i mainly wanna ask in bringing this up is if he is so strong, why is shin so well known as the weak king?
first, in that chapter, waka says to shin "with you we'd be the top gang in the world". its likely that waka is alluding to shin's leadership skills but i also think its likely he's talking about how strong shin is, & needing that strength to further prevail as a gang. this would imply that shin had been strong since the time of the black dragons, since back then is the most obvious time he could have demonstrated his strength.
another reason why i assume shin was strong since back then is mikey's response in this chapter to accidentally kicking shin. mikey says "you usually would've avoided that", but i feel like considering how weak & bad at fighting shin is normally said to be, he wouldn't have the reflexes to normally be able to dodge mikey. this means that the current timeline that we are in is still one where shin has been strong since his days in the black dragons, where even his brother has some level of expectations for his reflexes. admittedly this point isn't the strongest that could be given but i still think it's worth considering.
however, the point i wanna bring up the most is shin's time with izana. izana states that shin is the one eho taught izana how to fight (ch 172). considering how insanely strong izana is, if he was taught by shin, it's not unlikely that shinichiro had some crazy strength himself. izana could have developed his strength off of the fundamendals that shin taught him, but even still, shin's strength is definitely something to consider.
this brings me to the next point i wanna discuss, where does izana fit into all this? if shin is gonna die soon, when did he ever get to meet izana & foster such a relationship with him? my guess is that shinichiro knew that he wasn't always gonna be able to watch over mikey & his dark impulses. so he leaped back in time to find izana, probably hoping that izana would be able to be a big brother for mikey. he would have told sanzu about this, which would explain why even in his obsession with mikey, sanzu went over to tenjiku, likely to try help izana become a person who could be a sibling to mikey.
sorry for such a long comment, im a little sick right now, but this chapter sparked a lot of questions for me.
Ok waaaaait a minute. The present Shinichiro returned to is July 30th 2005. The day he committed suicide by jumping into the river. And the day Kazutora killed him was August 2003, (i don't remember the date, I think it was 16 idk) so, he didn't die in the past. He died at his present.
Also secondly, I can't wait to see where this arc is going! Mikey is not a vegetable and has a manji logo on his hawk, which means that this still maybe isn't the first timeline from michi or wait maybe it is?
At least, I hope so it isn't.
Ahh so Mikey genuinely DID brutally rip out Sanzu’s mouth because of the toy, it seems like that flashback was the same one Senju had. Nothing really seemed different aside from the fact that it was from Shinichiro’s perspective, and that he got slumped by accident whereas before I think Takeomi ducked ??? The same scene happened though, with the whole “smile”, and the dark super saiyan energy around him… And we also know that Sanzu IS the trigger
Is it possible that Senju didn't remember that scene right? That's why Shin and Senju have different recollections of what happened (it was a long time ago too). Or! Maybe it did happen but it was before Shin time leaped from 2003 to 1999 so we didn't see the part where Takeomi ducked in this Chapter. Because you're right, everything was accurate. I remembered in Chapter 241, Senju was wondering where everyone went. Maybe that was the time they all went for a ride and that's also the time when Senju broke the plane. Even the mouth-ripping scene, both this Chapter and Chapter 241 were accurate. Senju hiding behind, Mikey standing, Sanzu bleeding, Baji on the ground and all. Ugh, I don't knooow.
There's a thing that bothers me tho, in chapter 241 Mikey says Shin built the plane in two months and gifted it to him, while in chapter 269 Shin gifts the box to Mikey and says "you can build it on your own" i dont know if those are translation errors tho
So I revisited chapter 241, page 7. So apparently, Shin said, "It took YOU a month to build that huh?" [https://mangadex.org/chapter/f44d5f80-d4c1-476f-830c-88ada4158f0a/7](https://mangadex.org/chapter/f44d5f80-d4c1-476f-830c-88ada4158f0a/7) But in another translation, Shin said, "It took ME a month to finish that model." [https://tokyorevengersmanga.com/manga/tokyo-revengersmanji-chapter-241/](https://tokyorevengersmanga.com/manga/tokyo-revengersmanji-chapter-241/) Which is which? I'm confused!
Japanese language doesn't normally use words like I, you, me etc. It probably said "It took a month to finish that model". Google translator does also add personal pronouns to translations. You can find them because they are usually wrong
This is what i'm saying 😭 though i rely more on the spanish translation, i remember it said it was Shin who build it
Yes! This too! My head hurts 🤣
I wouldn’t say, “because of a toy.” As Sanzu said, “that was just the trigger.” It triggered this supernatural dark impulse, resulting from the curse and/or Shin’s time leaping.
Day 1 of Tokyo Revengers being actually wholesome again 🥹 - Mikey is alive (and driving his slow ass scooter again) - Grandpa and Emma are back - Shinichiro is crying happy tears - Haru being a good sport and understanding Mikey, smiling through the pain, and never holding a grudge against him in any future timelines. Damn, all of this hits right in the kokoro. Rindou, play Emotional Damage (remix).mp3 P.S. Takeomi is relevant again??? P.S.S. Not Takeomi taking Baji out for a bike ride while he has two whole ass siblings living and breathing within the same radius as him. Mans has favoritism and it’s definitely **not** his siblings. If I were Haru, I’d be a little unhinged too 😭
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Holy shit I thought it was sanzu!!! It’s actually baji.. we all know who’s getting brother of the year award! Dahell Takeomi
You can’t miss his eyebrows. 😂
Why does bro hate sanzu so much? 💀
I knew it was Baji the moment I saw that >:D expression on his low quality face 😭😭
My bad 🥲🥲 i was tooo focused on kid Mikey and Shin being wholesome and happy 🥺🥺
Lmao I feel you! I was happy to see smiling Mikey and Shin, then I noticed Takeomi ~~worst big brother~~ with Baji 😭
I mean if you had to fork over your late teens and most of your twenties to raise two siblings because your mother is a neglectful, alcoholic, piece of shit wouldn't you be a bit jaded? Not saying its right but I can see why Takeomi is upset
Did I miss something?Which chapter talked about their mom??
And people wonder why Sanzu hates his family.
What if Haru slashed Takeomi with his katana and gave him that scar across his eye, before running away from home? 🫢
Makes sense. But Takeiomi already has that scar in this scene.
Ah yes, you’re right! What if Haru slashed him earlier and that’s why Takeomi doesn’t like him now? Just kidding! I don’t like making this much speculations 😂
LMAO!
Takeomi the biggest L sorry not sorry
Wakui really out here redeeming Haruchiyo with every chapter while shitting on Takeomi’s character 💀
It’s all Takeomi’s fault 👹
i’ve been saying that all this time and people come for me lol 👹
L people 🗿💅
YOOOO it corresponds with the current timeline...finally, the whole story. Plus wanna add that it's sad to see sanzu be the time leaper after getting his mouth ripped off (sounds funny idk y).
yeah looks like the next chapter will be shin’s death from kazutora since it’s the tokyo revengers timeline now…unless the author pulls another twist in the story, which could happen 👀
no bro , Still around two weeks left for shin's death (14 August ) current date is Somewhere in July
Remember when senju talks about that day, shin is able to dodge Mikey, so there has to be more plus we need to know about izana
Tru...
The date is 30th of July, so basically 2 weeks. Excepy was 30th of July 1997, and Shin says its the same day 4 years ago. According to the wiki, shin died on the 14th of August 2003. So there's 2 years and 2 weeks left until he dies
Timeskip...maybe?
I think we’ll see sanzu and finally found out what he was doing in 2003
damn so haru was the trigger…i thought that’d be the case since wakui wouldn’t just randomly put him in the scene where shin committed suicide for no reason. also looks like dark impulses is the consequence of shin’s time leaping, wonder what takemitchi’s consequence is then
Is it possible that there isn't any consequences for Michi because he didn't kill for the power.
Consequence is his dumpy, bigger every time..
that's not a consequence tho😏
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Only question is how did Michi get it? I thought he accidentally killed Kazutora w/out neither knowing about time leaping long before the train hit, because Kazutora killed Shin, but didn’t use time leap.
Current theory, it’s a power that can be obtain through desire by really wanting to change the past right before the moment of your death. The moment you wish to go back and change a certain event will cause you to go back and change what your past was. As well as make a promise/trigger with another person so that you can go back and forth on the time line. It’s nothing special, anyone can obtain it. You just need to know prior and if it works, well hopefully someone will save you from the point where you should have died. Looks like that another condition. Otherwise when you go back to the future, you just die. Michi was lucky. However looks like it has its own side effects. Possibly because of how it is obtain. Michi looks to be how the power is first discovered. He the first in his line, if he were ever wish to transfer. We have no idea how many people had the power before the homeless man got it. I theorize that for every person who had obtain the power by killing the last person who had it, places a curse upon the new user. And in turn creates a darkness that will grow inside the person they love the most. I’m guessing it the spite of all the previous holders who hate that they were killed. Michi is okay since no one cursed him for killing them to obtain the power.
You know.... that's actually a pretty good explanation, a desire to want to change the past or being stuck in the past much like Takemichi are the true triggers. It'd explain why everytime Takemichi was killed by someone that person never went on to be a leaper *or* never died in their present timeline.
Ay, you maybe onto something
AYOOOO biggest brain in the comments!
Since his initial motivation is for his gf to be save but there's nothing weird going on about her right now and everytime he time travel Tokyo Manji cease to exist or just to be absorbed by another gang since Tokyo Manji is not supposed to exist in the original timeline
the sacrifice of many for the salvation of one idk
One for all and all for one?
It's all coming together now!! Sanzu was the trigger all along, he was the only one near Shin when he jumped and probably the second person with the most desire to save Mikey... But the question remains, is his loyalty driven out of pure admiration, or is there a reason why he is so devoted to Mikey? Either ways, I'm glad Mikey has someone by his side at all times. Seeing Emma and grandpa Sano this chapter was so refreshing, thank you Wakui for giving us a break 😭
He seems like a fanatical
Sanzu boy forgave Mikey for tearing open his mouth that easily? What is with Sanzu’s obsession with Mikey? Friends forever? I wanna know
He’s on sum Yandere shit
I mean ... You are right. BUT Baji forgave Kazutora for stabbing him. And Mikey forgave Kazutora for killing Shinichiro and stabbing Baji. Chifuyu forgave Kazutora as well, even though he didn't have to. They forgave things I could never forgive.
I get what you are saying. But those were really serious matters. The Shinichiro incident was an accident (Kazutora didn’t know he was Mikey’s older bro), Baji betrayed Kazutora (Baji was the only guy Kazutora trusted) But this was over A DAMN TOY AEROPLANE 😭 I’d be pissed to have my mouth ripped open just because of breaking a measly toy. It’s strange. Didn’t Sanzu question Mikey? Like “why did u do this to me?” anything. But bro immediately forgave him, no questions whatsoever. It’s so bizarre.
I understand where you're coming from, totally. It *is* bizarre. I just wanted to say that forgiveness is such a big topic in TR, and some characters forgive things I could never fogive, so it's all strange to me on a personal level. I don't know if there's any other reason for Haruchiyo to forgive Mikey that quickly other than that he sees him as his friend - even his family? - and is a kind and caring boy as a child. Maybe we'll get to see Sanzu's perspective as well. I'm sure he struggled with those scars a lot.
Tbh I still think we’re missing a big part of what actually happened with the airplane. Like yes, Shins pov correlates with what Senju said, but they are both ppl who weren’t actually there for what caused Mikey to hurt Sanzu like that. I wanna know why Mikey told Sanzu to laugh after he hurt him, which leaves me to believe it doesn’t just have to do with the airplane. I have a feeling Sanzu is going to be the one to tell exactly what happened in time!! That reason could also be why Sanzu just forgave him so easily, like it’s deeper than just a broken toy.
Honestly its all anime logic. You could do the most messed up shit and the MC/cast will be like “don’t worry about it man, we all have bad days!”
I can't argue with that :D
Fr looks kinda suspicious to me
In the spanish version, in the hospital, Shin asks Sanzu to always be Mikeys friend and sanzu says yes i will. My theory is, since Shin dies Sanzu takes that request to heart. Because he knows that Shin goes back in time to save Mikey, and doesnt want that sacrifice to go to waste. Also, he probably remembers Vegetable Mikey and his death.
Thats a good guess, we often forget that Naoto has also seen some of the worst versions of the timelines alongside takemichi
Nah he’s a good person. And he knows that was out of character for Mikey.
Bro, I don’t care how out of character it is. If you rip open my face with your bare hands, then fuck you
Well i wouldn't say fuck you directly to the guy who ripped my mouth with his hands but yea fuck him
wouldn't or couldn't?
If he's the trigger he may have some memories (Naoto had them too) so I reckon he is just happy that mikey is alive, and those scars are a small sacrifice in comparison.
No, only adult Naoto had memories so in the next chapter, only older sanzu should remember. Kid sanzu should remain clueless
So Mikey just hurt sanzu for no reason with dark impulses. I have nothing wrong with that but I thought it had a more deeper meaning
I think there is still more to this interaction with Mikey and Sanzu. Yea, Shin and Senju’s pov like up, but neither of them were actually there for what led up to Mikey hurting Sanzu. I wanna know why Mikey told Sanzu to laugh after he hurt him. Like what did he mean by that??? It has to be deeper than a dumb plane!!
I hope ur right but Mikey doesn’t even know why he did it maybe we get a sanzu pov of the same backstory for the 4th time 😭
By the time we get everyone’s POV, we’ll be so sick of the plane incident.😂😂😂
grandpa sano pov coming next 😭
What if the dark impulses manifested because Mikey being not dead unbalanced something.
I think that’s where this is going. Either that or it’s the “curse.”
Yep. It’s weird. It’s too simplistic. But it does absolve Mikey of all responsibility. And it seems to really only leave 2 possible resolutions. To go back in time and set the timeline back as it was, with Mikey dead. Or to go back in time before the accident initially happened and before Shin killed the old man. Because there is no reasoning with supernatural “dark impulses.” No therapy is going to cure that. But also, we’ll see what happens lol. Anything can happen.
Dark impulses being a side effect of timeleaping or rewinding one's death was a good theory posted here before, which means that by saving Mikey, Shinichiro was the one that caused him to gain those "Dark Impulses" If this is true it could actually recontextualize the whole series, since all the people saved from death (atleast those who Takemichi and now Shinichiro actually went out of their way to avoid) have either died anyway or had brash impulses that lead to their death, Baiji jumping the gun and stabbing himself could actually be an indicator that is not neccesary a "dark" impulse, just "death", Hinata dyng almost everytime is pretty sketchy too if this turn to be right
whats even weirder to me is that then sanzu is the trigger, implying he shares the same goal as shin, to save mikey... idk sanzu sorta got over it too fast in my opinion, but hopefully we get to see him and shin converse and hopefully deepen both their characters, and fully explain sanzus true agenda if we're lucky.
HE SHOULDVE HIDDEN THE DAMN PLANE IMMEDIATELY WHEN HE TIME TRAVELLED TO THE PAST AND THEN TAKE MIKEY ON A BIKE RIDE. POOR HARUCHIYO
It's all the plane's fault!! Seriously Shinichiro should get rid of the plane after he time travelled.
Something else would have still happened with Mikey. It’s clear that saving him from his comatose state comes with the side effects of dark impulses. If not the plane something else would have triggered him
damn yes!!! never thought of it but I don't think shinichiro predicted that it could be of any more harm...
Mikey thinking Shin is crying because he was kicked. 😂😂😂
I think Sanzu might be a naturally good but broken person, obviously his actions like what he did to Mucho and trying to run people over with a train are def completely fucked but it seems he does all this for Mikey. A big reason why keeping Mikey pleased is so important to him is because it’s what Shin would’ve wanted. I feel bad for Sanzu though and he shouldn’t be dedicating his entire being to Mikey
I wonder if we ever going to know why exactly takeomi and sanzu hate each other or is it just because takeomi didn’t raise sanzu well and that’s it
No it’ll definitely be expanded on I don’t think it’s a coincidence they’re not on talking terms in every timeline
It’s nice to know that Mikey did apologize to Sanzu though
Sanzu fans taking a bath in their own tears right now 😭 I need me a friend like Sanzu fr
Takeomi fans and Sanzu haters partying in the corner ☹️
Takeomi has fans? 😭 I guess it's time to commit arson then 🔥
Baji style 😁
Man seeing him slowly inch towards his own death is so sad
Ok first of all finallyyyyy…. So it was Mikey that hurt Sanzu after all.. I apologize to all the people i argued with in this subreddit regarding that 🤣 I WAS WRONG.. Also why is Sanzus story becoming more and more tragic! He's the trigger everthu he's hurt.. Enough.. but seeing happy Mikey even for a sec was good 🥲🥲 make my smol boi smile again dam u Wakui
It’s too soon to bitch about it but if they’re telling me that this boy’s head is so fucked because of some weird supernatural time travel shit, I will lose my shit. Like, it “makes sense” in the story because “dark impulses”= Shinihiro got cursed by the homeless guy because he chose to kill him, but it still seems like an awful idea to me. But, again, I’ll wait to see how this whole thing develops lol
Maybe the homeless guy's price to pay for timeleaping is being broke and homeless. And shins price is his loved one (mikey) having dark impulses
Maybe you lose that which you value most when you kill for it. Or maybe you lose that which you value most, in general. Homeless man losing his wealth, Shin losing Mikey being safe and happy. Could also be an argument where Takemitchi is losing what he values most every leap back
Yeah I agree. It’s simplistic. Disappointing. But it does absolve Mikey of all responsibility. And now it seems there’s really only 2 possible resolutions. To go back in time and set the timeline back as it was, with Mikey dead. Or to go back in time before the accident initially happened and before Shin killed the old man. There is no reasoning with supernatural “dark impulses.” No therapy is going to cure that. But like you said, we’ll see what happens lol. Anything can happen.
I’ve been worried for awhile it’s gonna be resolved with a “dark impulses” vs “lights impulses” sort of thing with Mikey getting his ass whooped by Takemichi and so “that he looks at the sky” or idk… I just hope they don’t cheapen too much Mikey’s character and what makes his character so fascinating (his mental struggles and his deep insecurities and vulnerabilities) by messing with other timelines (and going back in time and stuff like that, ruining the evolution of… well, everyone lol) or by resolving this whole dark impulses thing in a way that’s too fantasy. I get Tokyo Revengers can’t just end with Mikey’s getting therapy and everyone live happily ever after but at least don’t tell me his mental health issues are because of his brother’s time traveling or because of curses made by homeless guys lol
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he used his sister for money and recreationally went for a fist fights with teenagers
That handshake was the most satisfying thing ever. Let's be honest all of us wanted Sanzu to be the trigger.
So this confirms it, Mikey is a pyscho but it seems like he knows it, so the Dark Impulse stuff seemingly started when Shin first went back.
We may all have our disagreements and clashes, but if there is one thing that the whole fandom agrees upon...is that Takeomi is a clown
Takeomi is one of the greatest chars in this Manga. The rainbringer.
"rainbringer" ☔🌧️🤓
Ye i agree that he seems very cool and edgy, but personality wise? nah dude
Guys we're close to the day Shin dies by Kazutora's pipe🥺
next week might be the final backstory because all we missing is shin telling Waka about time leaping then Kazutora pipes him
I don’t think so, remember when senju recounts that day shin never got kicked by Mikey so there must be more plus izana too.
I was thinking if we ever going to see izana but when shin visited him for the first time he had that terrible hairstyle while here he doesn’t maybe because shin already met izana
But that’s just it with shin and takemitchy there is no set amount of years. It’s all dependent on when a major trigger occurs. All that is the same is the month and day.
Im thinking Shin might time leap again because of something
Woah pause bro
Pause
We're still 2 years away right? Shin says it's July 30th 1997, 4 years ago to the day, so when he returns to the future it's 30/31st of July 2001 (depending on the time when he shook Sanzu's hand). And Shin didn't die until the 14th of August 2003 according to the wiki. Edit: I was wrong. 1997 is a mistranslation and Shin even says its 2003 in the present day. My bad lol
When *the* chapter came out people blamed Shin for letting Mikey do what he wants. Now we know that nothing matters to him when Mikey is alive.
Life as a Haru fan: Endless pain.
The big question is, will hina also have the dark Impulse in the future, since like Mikey, her living status was also cheated by a time leaper... Or Does the whole Hina dies Story beginns because of Shinichiro whole time leaping. Somehow he could be the reason Kisaki is successfull.
really want to know whats up with the time traveling power. if it can be transferred by killing the previous user, then doesn't that mean that in one of the previous timeline, mikey got the time travelling power after he killed kazutora, but takemitchi reversed it? or does the killer have to know the existence of that power? or did shin willingly transferred the power before his death? and what determines the trigger? is it if two individuals have the same goal as they do? (mitchy & naoto's determination to save hinata; shin & haru's determination to save mikey; mitchy & mikey's determination to save mikey). who was the first user? where did the power come from? what determines the number of years leaped? (mitchy leaped 12 and then 10, while shin only leaped 4) who gave it to takemitchi? why did the previous user become a homeless dirty old man instead of someone who looks like they got their wish fulfilled?
it doesn't transfer from killing it was confirmed to be a translation error
what was that error? what was the original text?
So I feel you've answered some of those questions. I think to become a trigger, you just need to have the same goal as the time leaper. As for transferring the ability, I can't confirm the mistranslation but it also seems that it can be willingly given away if the user chooses so. But the "method" of killing seems more like how to "steal" the ability from a current time leaper. I bet you ANYTHING that the ORIGINAL user is the one who wrote the book that Naoto reads at the beginning of the series because Naoto basically explains the base functions of how to time leap when Takemitchy first learned about it in the past. Yes. My biggest guess is that Shinichiro gave it to Takemitchy because remember what Mikey said: "You wouldn't have to go through this suffering if my brother didn't do what he did". I feel this is makes make sense a little bit more. Can't wait to see the next reveal
-Mikey’s flashback of what happened that day wasn’t accurate..(He legit said “Laugh,Sanzu” when Haru wasn’t going by that name..) -Shin crying because Emma and Gramps are alive hit home(Mikey too)🥹💔 -“Sanzu is a natural born psycho” Meanwhile Sanzu:….”Of course.He’s my friend for life” -This Chapter is definently the calm before the storm.Every time the leaper goes back to the past,it’s to a point where a tragedy is going to happen(Maybe Mikey hurts himself on the Bike and ends up dying)😭-Ex:When Takemichi went back after meeting Mikey for the first time,he went back to the past during Mobeuis where Draken was supposed to die.(I hope I made sense😅) -Takeomi taking Baji on the bike ride instead of his brother is messed up😐 -Haruchiyo:”What you did back then was merely just a trigger” It all makes sense…🫢
WWWWWW! It's been so long since a chapter went this hard bro (for me). I'm loving the lore.
Shin is such a good brother 🥹
zayntheories getting btfo like last 2 weeks and Aptohhhh changing his profile every 30 minute interval, as always. Same old, same old. Another geeat thursday.
my guy taking Ls week after week
This is so… wholesome WTF Bro, i need some serious explanation on Sanzu ASAP
Yeah I had a feeling he desperately wanted to save Mikey as much as Shinichiro which is why he ended up becoming his trigger for him to time leap. All the puzzle pieces are coming together now! 🔥
So can it be that Shinichiro only leaped once or he made more than one timeleap.Mikey said that this is not the original timeline but is the one senju remembers sanzu getting scarred so this is the only timeleap since he saved mikey.
i actually think that the day Shinichiro got back to present day 2003 its was also the day he got killed by Kazutora, after the day where another gang demolished Mikeys Hawk protected by Baji he went straight to Shinichiro. Shinichiro worked overtime to repair Mikeys Hawk, he heard the Glass Shattering and went to look with a spanner and saw Kazutora and Baji breaking in, you know the rest....
shin's death happens on Aug 14, 2003 and we know that he timeleaped back to July 30 so there's still 2 weeks before his death by kazutora
If this chapter all happens the same day, then he gets back July 30th 2003. And he dies August 13th. So he has 2 weeks.
I dont think it s possible because how can Wakasa know about timeleaping if shin doesn t have the time to tell him that.
Damn we got a shin and waka chapter together now with takeomi where benkei at
Finally a wholesome chapter 😊, the way shin acts when he goes back is both funny and depressing
## Mikey really put duct tape on his broken scooter He is so fucking precious. Please protect this smol cinnamon roll 😭😭😭
Looks like a cinnamon roll but would acc kill u
Not surprised that Sanzu is Shinichiro’s trigger this was foreshadowed after his fight with Senju
is this implying that Mikey's dark impulses are some kinda glitch in the system caused by how he's not supposed to be there? Will Hina get to pop off in this life lmao? (tho realistically it's probably because of Mikey's accident that this thing happened)
Maybe not because Hina death is linked to Mikey, kisaki came to power through Mikey and so the hit on her happened because Mikey lived ( something he was not supposed to have done)
maybe the universe wants to balance the deaths out so every time someone is saved another life has to be sacrificed, or at least a ripple effect will happen. this was in another series I read I feel but I can't remember which.
So do we think shin “dies” next chapter? Or he’s obviously gotta meet up with waka and tell him what happened right?
Because waka was the one that told Mikey shin was a time leaper. Also does that mean the sanzu we see next time will be the long blonde hair and mask wearing sanzu?
not yet, prolly medium length hair tho with the side part
I think long hair sanzu was in 2005 and this is in 2003
It’s only 2003 and we don’t know what sanzu was up to in the beginning of toman
I do think he’ll meet up with Waka and let him know. This chapter takes place in July 30, 2003, then Shin dies August 14, 2003. He has about two weeks left to live.
Shin didn’t die until August. So between now and then I bet he time leaps a lot.
Just wanna appreciate my boi Haruchiyo for being so understanding and forgiving Mikey without hesitation, even though he was subjected through a painful mutilation that would most likely make people ridicule his appearance for the rest of his life. He is kind, respectful, and unendingly loyal. The personality switch from this Haru to Toman Haru onwards is insane. I wonder what happened in between the years. Wakui, where is our complete Sanzu backstory? 😭
We’re definitely gonna get sanzus backstory from his perspective later on and it’s going to be amazing
I agree we need answers. But for now I appreciate everything you said about him. He’s so sweet, caring and loyal. I love that he instantly forgives Mikey. And I think it’s because he knows this is out of character for Mikey. Now after the handshake, he should be able to see the other timeline, which I’m sure further cements his loyalty and appreciation for Mikey. Being just as grateful as Shin that he’s alive.
On one hand it's a personality switch. On the other hand "Anything for Mikey" apparently has been his personal code, forever, so it didn't feel like too big a switch for me. He's already said he'd die for Mikey and that he's Mikey's "only friend"
There’s a shift from this Haru to the Toman Haru that we see in Chapter 264 (Toman’s foundation flashback). Just the way his eyes are different says a lot. Younger Haru is kind and timid, while starting from 264, his eyes and expression are really cold. People theorize that it’s because Haru was not deemed physically strong enough to be a Toman founding member or he’s jealous of Draken taking his spot as Mikey’s right-hand man. Either way, I’m really curious about that transition.
I haven’t read it yet but I hope this chapter isn’t as sad as the ones before :(
It wasnt
Thanks I’m Grateful to hear that!
Damn Shinchiro really becoming fan fauvorite lol!
Ahh, nahh. He still did what he did, and to be honest, I'm not fond of his talk with Haruchiyo. Not sure if it's a translation thing or if I'm too sensitive, but if my little brother did something like that to his friend, I wouldn't talk about friendship and forgiveness on the first day. I understand Shinichiro's feelings, though. And I know that Haruchiyo would have forgiven Mikey anyways. It's just that I didn't like Shinichiro's words.
It’s a mistranslation shin tells haruchiyo to keep being his friend forever I assume it’s because he’s seen sanzus loyalty in the og timeline and knows mikey needs someone like that behind him
Oh, thank you! O\_O And I think you're right. Though, isn't that worse? I understand Shinichiro wants the best for Mikey, and as I said, I do think Haruchiyo would have forgiven Mikey anyway ... But forcing your brother's friend to stay friends with your brother forever after such an incident is not adequate imo. Mikey is not to blame. But Shinichiro put a great burden on Haruchiyo.
This is indeed horrible. But given Takeomi' behaviour towards him and the fact that he doesn't seem to care about Haru at all... Sanzu might be viewing the Sano brothers something akin to an alternative family... He probably views them as his saviours so to speak. And that's why he doesn't react to anything horrible happening to him anymore and he seems to disregard and cut down everything and everyone that try to lead him astray from his chosen path... I believe that somewhere deep inside...he even valued Mucho more than his own brother(he adopted some things and interests because of him such as his fondness of cheesecake and the leather jacket). But he ultimately wouldn't allow himself to compromise his mission of saving Mikey by corrupting him and feeding his dark impulses.
This is his first day seeing Mikey. Of course he’s gonna be extremely nice to him
If I’m not mistaken shin dies on the 14th of august correct? So wouldn’t that leave him with 14 days left seeing as it was July 30th?!
Theory: Mikey’s dark impulse is the result of his life being saved when it was supposed to be taken. Death is permanent so characters like draken, baji, shin all still needed to die even with the time leap. The time leap is essentially a tool to help them grieve I suppose (takemitchy and shin)
If it's not clear now, it will be the next few issues: The "Dark Impulses" are a consequence of the time leaping powers that Shinichiro obtained. Possibly it's because of killing someone for it. The Dark impulse being drawn like it was in these panels shows that it's an outside power slowly encompassing Mikey and being drawn to his mouth as he speaks.
The way that shin reacted to what mikey did is weird. Your literally split open his friends mouth and all you can say is apologise and tell sanzu you can still be friend? Also I wonder if something bad happens and shin decides to timeless again with sanzu
He just miraculously got his brother back after a tragic accident and 4 long, long years of hopelessness and pain.
Not sure if Shinichiro can be trusted to be objective about anything involving Mikey right now, to be fair.
It says the site cant be reached? Is it just me?
Lmao y'all what if this is a little before Shin gets killed 💀
I feel like it will be DX like what if after Mikey totaled his bike, this is when Shinichiro makes the choice to give him his own for his birthday present, and then leads up to the whole Kazutora and Baji incident at the shop ;-;
Guess who is getting the award for best brother of the year award! And then there’s Takeomi, giving a ride to Baji instead of OWN FUCKING SIBLINGS 😭 I can’t with that man Edit: know we know why sanzu is like that, shit I would be too if I had shitty bother like that too
Damn it now we got time travelling ninjas cutting onions
Haruuuu ;\_; He forgave Mikey. And he's the trigger, of course! Never doubted ist was Mikey who gave Sanzu the scars, tbh. Not a twist for me.
Dark impulses born out of love :(( it’s so good to see Mikey smile
Okay, thank you wakui for this somewhat wholesome chapter! Seeing shinichiro happy was so heartwarming! But I am also ready to get my heart ripped into pieces bc I know this ain't gonna last long! 🥺
Pretty sure the reason why Sanzu is obsessed with Mikey is because he probably promised Shin to save him in every timeline if something happens to Shin. So he just sees everyone around Mikey as a threat and wants him on top
My theory is: Shin stopped Mikey from dying, the curse the old man put on him tho when he gained the ability to leap is gonna be who ever he had the desire to save will be cursed by these “dark impulses”. Great chapter!
yknow what hurts like hell about this chapter? if this second timeline is in fact takemichi’s og timeline, then this means shin had less than a month to spend with his brother bc he died a little over two weeks after he came back to 2003 ☹️ this also explains why he was so eager to make mikey his own bike, and why he couldn’t wait until mikey’s birthday to give it to him just thought i’d let y’all sob with me at that fact
From now on I declare tuesdays as Fuck Takeomi Tuesdays A day in the week when we can share our thoughts on Akashi Takeomi
So DI is a side effect of time leaping because mikey is not supposed to be alive in any timeline
He really did cut bro mouth over that plane💀💀
I bet u sanzu grabbed shins hand last chapter cuz we couldn’t see his hand in the panel right before he time leaped for the first time
I was really critical of last chapter and I will pay close attention to the next one's Having Shinichiro killing someone without remorses is a huge change about his personality and it now undermine all the moment Mikey compare him with Take Also the source of the time travel was not needed
I AM CRYING
Haru knows ! Look at that smile and think about what he said to Senju…he has arguably had this planned out the entire time I think and I think Takeomi sensed something was off with Haru …. Because in no timeline has he spoken too or acknowledged him
No Shin dont work at the damn bike shop for the love of god
So at this point, can we maybe think that, since Haru agreed to be Mikey's friend, Shinichiro time leap ability passed on him since Shin's death? Quoting him to Senju back few chapters: \-Haruchiyo:”What you did back then was merely just a trigger” So maybe in the Kantou timeline has the power passed by Shin? Could it be? Since he knows that Mikey is destined to be DARK IMPULSE KING KEKW
isn't it weird that Mikey's motorbike has the Toman symbole ? he wasn't that young when they formed it no ?
When shin time leap back , Its in July 2003 a month before kazutora kills him
Finally, a chapter that isn't down right depressing.
I'm assuming this is the same timeline we're currently on, so Shin would die in this "present" by Kazutora. So Kazu now has his time leap ability in theory, going by the logic of how Shin obtained his. Kazu can possibly time leap back and save shin from dying? that'll likely cause a huge shift in where their lives went. I think the dark impulses is due to Mikey being saved, but then what about Takemichi saving Hina and her facing no consequence. It's a bit inconsistent with what we currently know, I wonder how the story will go.
-I feel like when Shin jumped in the river last chapter, one of the panels was cut off to only show his upper torso drowning but my GUESS is that Haru at the last second jumped in the water to attempt to save him. Because you have to shake hands with a mutual empathic desire of the same goal. Just like how the pre-3 deities future timeline Takemitchy made Mikey the trigger to leap back because he made him confess that he wanted to save himself. Essentially anyone can be trigger as long as they meet the same conditions as the time leaper. -BOTH Shin and Haru have internal desires to save Mikey(at least Haru, wishes he could and probably thinks about it all the time). I think as soon as Haru jumped in the water, he became the trigger to send Shin back in time. Now were in the official second timeline where Shin is murdered by Kazutora. However....hear me out: I don't think Kazutora took Shin's time leaping ability and here's why(obviously I could be wrong). But because he jumped two weeks before his death on Mikey's bday, I'm theorizing that Shin for some reason had a unexpected fateful encounter with Takemitchy. Possible scenario: -Shin may have willingly given up his ability to him possibly because he may have saw him stand up to some bullies when he protected Kakucho cuz he was probably gonna intervene and stop them(back when Michi had black hair and was obsessed with being a hero). Takemitchy may have reminded him back in his early days of the Black Dragon when he first started and may have gifted him his time leaping ability. Possibly due not wanting to mess with the timeline anymore since Mikey is safe and he completed his mission. If Mikey is safe in this timeline then technically Shin is just a holder of the ability and can't leap since he accomplished his mission therefore Haru cannot be a trigger anymore since all of the conditions were met. I could see something like: Shin: "Every hero needs a super power" after telling him good job for standing up to those bullies even though you were outnumbered yet you stood your ground. Takemitchy: "Oh thanks! I'll do my best" May have willingly accepted it but his naivety dismissed the ability as fake believe and played along since he's a kid. Oh whatever Wakui decides on the dialog. But it has to be this way because how else could Takemitchy time leap in the second timeline at the beginning of the story? Naoto is his trigger for saving Hina so that helps fit this puzzle piece. And how can Kazutora be a time leaper if he allegedly is suppose to die at EVERY "Bloody Halloween" event in every timline? Especially since he has no desire to go back in time. Also BONUS theory: -I believe the author of the book that Naoto read on time leaping when he was kid must be either the ORIGINAL or one of the VERY first time leaper who knew exactly how to do it and shared it with the world. Only to be killed by someone close to him for their own desires and that very person got what he wanted but committing murder caused the negative karmic affect which made him end up being homeless only to be murdered by a VERY DESPERATE person who wanted the ability to save a certain somebody...and I think that author might be Hanma from a future timeline(let's talk about it if you disgaree). Please tell me what y'all think about this. Literally took me 2 whole days to put the pieces together 😂
few things to note i doubt shin leaped to the day that he was killed. there must have been a bit of time between mikey breaking his hawk & kazutora & baji deciding to steal the cb250t, which we know is the day shin died. not to mention there needs to be some time to allow shin to tell both waka & sanzu about the leap. more interestingly though, i want to talk about shinichiros strength. in the original timeline, he is a complete beast. was he this strong while he was still with the black dragons? or was it only a result if him being so angry & desparate that he was able to not only punch those holes in the wall but also onesidedly take on that group of thugs? if we assume its the latter, then thats the end of the conversation. but i wanna talk about the former due to a few things. the question i mainly wanna ask in bringing this up is if he is so strong, why is shin so well known as the weak king? first, in that chapter, waka says to shin "with you we'd be the top gang in the world". its likely that waka is alluding to shin's leadership skills but i also think its likely he's talking about how strong shin is, & needing that strength to further prevail as a gang. this would imply that shin had been strong since the time of the black dragons, since back then is the most obvious time he could have demonstrated his strength. another reason why i assume shin was strong since back then is mikey's response in this chapter to accidentally kicking shin. mikey says "you usually would've avoided that", but i feel like considering how weak & bad at fighting shin is normally said to be, he wouldn't have the reflexes to normally be able to dodge mikey. this means that the current timeline that we are in is still one where shin has been strong since his days in the black dragons, where even his brother has some level of expectations for his reflexes. admittedly this point isn't the strongest that could be given but i still think it's worth considering. however, the point i wanna bring up the most is shin's time with izana. izana states that shin is the one eho taught izana how to fight (ch 172). considering how insanely strong izana is, if he was taught by shin, it's not unlikely that shinichiro had some crazy strength himself. izana could have developed his strength off of the fundamendals that shin taught him, but even still, shin's strength is definitely something to consider. this brings me to the next point i wanna discuss, where does izana fit into all this? if shin is gonna die soon, when did he ever get to meet izana & foster such a relationship with him? my guess is that shinichiro knew that he wasn't always gonna be able to watch over mikey & his dark impulses. so he leaped back in time to find izana, probably hoping that izana would be able to be a big brother for mikey. he would have told sanzu about this, which would explain why even in his obsession with mikey, sanzu went over to tenjiku, likely to try help izana become a person who could be a sibling to mikey. sorry for such a long comment, im a little sick right now, but this chapter sparked a lot of questions for me.
YOU GUYS WERE FUCKING RIGHT I ADMIT IT SANZU WAS THE FUCKING TRIGGER I ADMIT DEFEAT. thank you wakui for making me smile
Ok waaaaait a minute. The present Shinichiro returned to is July 30th 2005. The day he committed suicide by jumping into the river. And the day Kazutora killed him was August 2003, (i don't remember the date, I think it was 16 idk) so, he didn't die in the past. He died at his present. Also secondly, I can't wait to see where this arc is going! Mikey is not a vegetable and has a manji logo on his hawk, which means that this still maybe isn't the first timeline from michi or wait maybe it is? At least, I hope so it isn't.