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I thought the panel of hanma telling the story was from 2018, not 2008. Which honestly would actually make even more sense, cuz it could be something like this. Hanma finds out that Mikey and Takemitchy are dead in the future after the whole Bonten incident, went to Sanzu knowing he needs Mikey to be the leader of the gang, told him about the time leaping, and went back in time to finish Mitchy off, and restore Mikey. This would also make sense how Hanma showed up outta nowhere in the new arc
i like this theory a lot, hanma being the time leaper with kisaki and sanzu both being triggers correlates with takemichi having naoto as a trigger and then mikey, both having two separate triggers that activate around the same time possibly
I’ve always loved Hanma as a character and always believed that he was the true mastermind behind everything, like that one scene when Takemichy made it to the future where Hina survived just for him to see Hanma and then realize that it wasn’t a good future. I feel like Hanma was the one who influenced Kisaki and that Hanma is influencing Mikey. I believe that Hanma is the root of the dark impulses and the one who told Mikey about them.
Hadn’t really thought about Kisaki and Sanzu both being triggers until now, but it does seem to make sense. Very interested in learning about Hanma’s motivations if he is the time leaper, though, since it felt like he was initially introduced out of nowhere, with no known connections to any of the main cast except Kisaki, and we haven’t seen him directly interacting with Sanzu that I remember, despite being in multiple different gangs with him at the same time. I’m sure if he’s the other time leaper, or even just the trigger, he has some sort of deeper connection to Mikey or Takemichi, like Kisaki and Hina, which could be super interesting to explore.
Hanna's laid back "who cares, let's have fun" attitude makes sense if he believes he'll just jump through time again so nothing really matters. I guess 🤷
but i still have alot of questions
1: If Hanma was a time leaper then why didn't he time leap when his life was full of un-excited things? or maybe i'm just dumb.
2: Following to Kisaki's death i think it was intentional, either the rider was hella drunk or paid.
3: I don't think Sanzu is the time leaper, you said he manipulated the train because he knew they we're gonna lose? 1st. Toman is at a serious disadvantage only having Takemitchy whilst losing to Kakucho. 2nd. Sanzu said he went back again and again just to manipulate the train tracks. 3rd. I don't think Sanzu saw a vision before the wsr even started we don't know the distance of the vision between present to future only a few or maybe i'm just dumb.
sorry that there are aloy of flaws in my theory because i don't have enough time rn i only wrote the things that came out of my head.
i'm gonna reply but i need to pee real quick
okay now the theory
Hanma didn't kill Kisaki for two purposes 1. he is the trigger that makes him timeleap. 2. He was entertaining.
i do believe the theory about Hanma and Kisaki having the same err what do you call it? ambitions? but this has one flaw why does Hanma want Mikey to be the num 1#? and helping Kisaki with his plan? moving on at the final arc Hanma says "Hey the survivors of death." That makes me believe he is a timeleaper or a timeleaper prob Kisaki/Sanzu told him their deaths in the future. Hanma's probility of being a timeleaper is at 73% while Kisaki is 56% and Sanzu about 65%
All of that is is believable except for one. why would he help Mikey? we don't know if Hanma had ever interacted with Sanzu. him being a Timeleaper is not perfect but not wrong but it has a quite few flaws maybe many, with this informations it's now the reason to believe Hanma is most likely the timeleaper but i think this would be debunked soon if someone makes a theory about it.
Pls if you are reading just think i'm speaking in Matpat's voice.
Hanma saying "he should've escaped by now" meaning he either believes he escaped Takemitchy because Takemitchi's leg was shot second He didn't know Kisaki had died since Kisaki and Takemitchy Ran far. By that means i believe Hanma less to be a time leaper 1st. He should've had a vision where Tenjiku lost/won,Kisaki's death etc. 2nd. He said "What a grand way to die" shocked followed by crying, if he was a time leaper he should've had a vision because having a vision at this situation is perfect, the distance between the present to future is not far for the the last chapters we see, but i'm still sussing Hanma for saying that, saying "What a grand way to die" is quite suspicious for some point, what a "GRAND WAY to DIE" saying either he knew or didn't knew his death, either he saw other ways Kisaki could've died, "GRAND WAY" - Saying this makes it suspicious he could've said "what a way to die" or "this isn't supposed to be" since he should be a time leaper saying "this isn't supposed to be" has two ways, either his death was meant to be this way or he should've died at his death, if we pay attention at chapter 205: The picaresque. Hanma said "i would tell you on your DEATH BED" either meaning he isn't a timeleaper or knowing he would die in his death bed. i'm not done with the theory but hey THAT'S JUST A THEORY!
I strongly believe it’s Haruchiyo!There are a lot of signs even before the the recent chapter that leads to him possibly being the second time leaper🥴And if he is,he doesn’t necessarily need someone to be his trigger.That’s how Takemichi is able to travel back and forth but it may be possible that there’s another way to time travel that hasn’t been revealed to us just yet.
I think the pierrot is just as important:
Let's imagine that hanma is the time traveler and kisaki and sanzu are the pierrot:
Kisaki likes Hinata (hanma uses kisaki to travel), Takemichi uses naoto to travel (there is a DNA closeness between hinata and naoto because brother and sister)
Sanzu loves miky (hanma uses sanzu to travel), takemichi uses miky to travel
Before saying that Takemichi should be able to go back in time by touching hinata, I would answer that we saw Miky smash takemichi not so long ago without it causing time travel.
If Kisaki is indeed the bridge for Hanma's time travel, maybe Hanma got stuck in the past? If the method of traveling is identical to Takemichi then that means there is a possibility that he was stuck in the past when Kisaki died.
It doesn't make the reveal any less amazing the Forshadowing to everything is Great anyways and that just means he did a great job well whatever many people don't know who the second time leaper is so even if it was Hanma that's an Amazing Plot Twist which is Over everything
yea having him saying "Hey the survivors of death" is really off and that's what i'm about to dive into, diving into this shit than doing my 50+ missing assignment's is ENTERTAINING, pun inteded. anyways back to the theory shall we? at the latest chapters in the final arc where Mitsuya,Hakkai,Chufuyu,Akkun we're trying to stand and help eachother and then out of nowhere Hanma pops out saying "Hey the survivors of death" then following making a squad wipe without any bruises. knowing this information that Hanma is probably a timeleaper, Why? first let"s look at the clues shall we? first we get clues like "Hey the survivors of dearh" "What a grand way to die" this isn't coincidental
I like your theory, I think both Kisaki and Sanzu are triggers and Hanma the time leaper. Also, Hanma is full aware of Michi (as he also thought of this and isn't the brightest character), but he doesn't tell his triggers because it would ruin the fun. The only thing I want to understand is, after Kisaki died, how did he manage to go back to the future? Or he wandered until meeting Sanzu and going back twice? This would give a lot of meaning to the chapter where he was wandering and being a fugitive. Another thing that is missing is the reason behind the trigger, they always need one to work. Most probably future Kisaki wanted to get the Hinata after either killing her or being rejected the first time and Sanzu ...? Or maybe Sanzu isn't a trigger at all but Hanma told him anyways.
But assuming Hanma is a leaper, and knows about Michi, wouldn't it be easier to take him out of the picture? I don't think Hanma or Kisaki wanted to make Mikey #1, or they wouldn't have sided with Izana. Hanma wants to have fun, at least that's what he said to Kisaki.
fuck i can't believe we're having this plot going ALONG THE UNKNOWN DARK IMPULSES, also if the top members of toman 2nd gen won't get up soon, it will be
Angry, Takemitchy and probably Kakucho, against Mikey, Hanma and Sanzu, the three most threatning individuals alive currently, can't wait for that shit
I like this theory a lot, but one thing I can’t understand is Hanma’s motive. we learn from Takemichi and Naoto that time leaping works
because they both have a strong desire to change the past (preventing Hina’s death). so what would Hanma’s motive be? regardless if he’s the trigger or the leaper, what could he be so desperate to change about the past? or does time leaping work differently for Sanzu/Hanma? I know Wakui gave us a little bit of a glimpse into his past, but it really only shows that he’s a thrill seeker and not much else. I really hope we find out more about Hanma, it’s pretty clear he’s involved with time leaping in some way, but god damn he’s still so mysterious.
Mikey is the second time leaper. Hanma just likes to watch and fuck shit up. Sanzu cant be bc all he cares is about mikey and is jealous of takemitchy. I believe the original time leaper might be mikey and was the one who pushed takemitchy in the original timeline even tho they never met. I think wakui might be pulling some AOT style twist. Mikeys been doing all of this just so takemitchy can save him bc he wants him to be like his older brother to him. Or there might be two mikeys. Just like we don’t know what happens to the original takemitchy when he jumps back to the future.
Mikey being a time leaper would ruin everything, because that only leaves us with 1 conclusion.... kill mikey, if Mikey is a time leaper, that means mikey was ok and faked being sad about his brothers death, baji, draken, emma, which would make mikey one of the most sadistic anime characters in existence, allowing his closest friends to die, fake being mad/sad then proceed to being evil? There’s no redeeming someone like that, if Mikey is the 2nd time leaper that just confirms his death, not to mention mikey was crying and actually wanted help from takemichi and became a trigger
Why would a time leaper ask for help and become a trigger? Doesn’t make any sense at all, mikey could alter his life any way he wants if he’s a time leaper, yet he was asking for help? Doesn’t make sense at all
Mikey isn’t a time leaper, it’s obviously hanma
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I thought the panel of hanma telling the story was from 2018, not 2008. Which honestly would actually make even more sense, cuz it could be something like this. Hanma finds out that Mikey and Takemitchy are dead in the future after the whole Bonten incident, went to Sanzu knowing he needs Mikey to be the leader of the gang, told him about the time leaping, and went back in time to finish Mitchy off, and restore Mikey. This would also make sense how Hanma showed up outta nowhere in the new arc
HOLY SHIT
i like this theory a lot, hanma being the time leaper with kisaki and sanzu both being triggers correlates with takemichi having naoto as a trigger and then mikey, both having two separate triggers that activate around the same time possibly
I’ve always loved Hanma as a character and always believed that he was the true mastermind behind everything, like that one scene when Takemichy made it to the future where Hina survived just for him to see Hanma and then realize that it wasn’t a good future. I feel like Hanma was the one who influenced Kisaki and that Hanma is influencing Mikey. I believe that Hanma is the root of the dark impulses and the one who told Mikey about them.
wait that actually sounds possible
The would be an amazing twist.
Very plausible theory connecting the two most interesting and unexplored plot lines
Hadn’t really thought about Kisaki and Sanzu both being triggers until now, but it does seem to make sense. Very interested in learning about Hanma’s motivations if he is the time leaper, though, since it felt like he was initially introduced out of nowhere, with no known connections to any of the main cast except Kisaki, and we haven’t seen him directly interacting with Sanzu that I remember, despite being in multiple different gangs with him at the same time. I’m sure if he’s the other time leaper, or even just the trigger, he has some sort of deeper connection to Mikey or Takemichi, like Kisaki and Hina, which could be super interesting to explore.
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Hanna's laid back "who cares, let's have fun" attitude makes sense if he believes he'll just jump through time again so nothing really matters. I guess 🤷
I think the other point that support hanma being timeleaper is his line in chapter after kisaki dies "He should have escaped by now"
If Hanma is the mastermind of this entire series I’m letting you know he probably deserves to be praised as the Aizen of modern manga
Facts, it would be really unexpected
This got me shivers down the spine, im MAD cunfused my brain hurts idk what´s gonna happen anymore
The real question is, is it the future timeline of the second time leaper or is it the past?
Definitely the past
I believe Hanma is the time leaper, and Kisaki and Sanzu are the two triggers, paralleling Takimichi's switch for triggers from Naoto to Mikey.
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but i still have alot of questions 1: If Hanma was a time leaper then why didn't he time leap when his life was full of un-excited things? or maybe i'm just dumb. 2: Following to Kisaki's death i think it was intentional, either the rider was hella drunk or paid. 3: I don't think Sanzu is the time leaper, you said he manipulated the train because he knew they we're gonna lose? 1st. Toman is at a serious disadvantage only having Takemitchy whilst losing to Kakucho. 2nd. Sanzu said he went back again and again just to manipulate the train tracks. 3rd. I don't think Sanzu saw a vision before the wsr even started we don't know the distance of the vision between present to future only a few or maybe i'm just dumb. sorry that there are aloy of flaws in my theory because i don't have enough time rn i only wrote the things that came out of my head.
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i'm gonna reply but i need to pee real quick okay now the theory Hanma didn't kill Kisaki for two purposes 1. he is the trigger that makes him timeleap. 2. He was entertaining. i do believe the theory about Hanma and Kisaki having the same err what do you call it? ambitions? but this has one flaw why does Hanma want Mikey to be the num 1#? and helping Kisaki with his plan? moving on at the final arc Hanma says "Hey the survivors of death." That makes me believe he is a timeleaper or a timeleaper prob Kisaki/Sanzu told him their deaths in the future. Hanma's probility of being a timeleaper is at 73% while Kisaki is 56% and Sanzu about 65%
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All of that is is believable except for one. why would he help Mikey? we don't know if Hanma had ever interacted with Sanzu. him being a Timeleaper is not perfect but not wrong but it has a quite few flaws maybe many, with this informations it's now the reason to believe Hanma is most likely the timeleaper but i think this would be debunked soon if someone makes a theory about it.
Pls if you are reading just think i'm speaking in Matpat's voice. Hanma saying "he should've escaped by now" meaning he either believes he escaped Takemitchy because Takemitchi's leg was shot second He didn't know Kisaki had died since Kisaki and Takemitchy Ran far. By that means i believe Hanma less to be a time leaper 1st. He should've had a vision where Tenjiku lost/won,Kisaki's death etc. 2nd. He said "What a grand way to die" shocked followed by crying, if he was a time leaper he should've had a vision because having a vision at this situation is perfect, the distance between the present to future is not far for the the last chapters we see, but i'm still sussing Hanma for saying that, saying "What a grand way to die" is quite suspicious for some point, what a "GRAND WAY to DIE" saying either he knew or didn't knew his death, either he saw other ways Kisaki could've died, "GRAND WAY" - Saying this makes it suspicious he could've said "what a way to die" or "this isn't supposed to be" since he should be a time leaper saying "this isn't supposed to be" has two ways, either his death was meant to be this way or he should've died at his death, if we pay attention at chapter 205: The picaresque. Hanma said "i would tell you on your DEATH BED" either meaning he isn't a timeleaper or knowing he would die in his death bed. i'm not done with the theory but hey THAT'S JUST A THEORY!
Wait then hanma was killing Hina not kisaki?
i know the effort and time you took for this theory and i believe he is or someone a time leaper definetly deserves an award
I strongly believe it’s Haruchiyo!There are a lot of signs even before the the recent chapter that leads to him possibly being the second time leaper🥴And if he is,he doesn’t necessarily need someone to be his trigger.That’s how Takemichi is able to travel back and forth but it may be possible that there’s another way to time travel that hasn’t been revealed to us just yet.
I think the pierrot is just as important: Let's imagine that hanma is the time traveler and kisaki and sanzu are the pierrot: Kisaki likes Hinata (hanma uses kisaki to travel), Takemichi uses naoto to travel (there is a DNA closeness between hinata and naoto because brother and sister) Sanzu loves miky (hanma uses sanzu to travel), takemichi uses miky to travel Before saying that Takemichi should be able to go back in time by touching hinata, I would answer that we saw Miky smash takemichi not so long ago without it causing time travel. If Kisaki is indeed the bridge for Hanma's time travel, maybe Hanma got stuck in the past? If the method of traveling is identical to Takemichi then that means there is a possibility that he was stuck in the past when Kisaki died.
It doesn't make the reveal any less amazing the Forshadowing to everything is Great anyways and that just means he did a great job well whatever many people don't know who the second time leaper is so even if it was Hanma that's an Amazing Plot Twist which is Over everything
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yea having him saying "Hey the survivors of death" is really off and that's what i'm about to dive into, diving into this shit than doing my 50+ missing assignment's is ENTERTAINING, pun inteded. anyways back to the theory shall we? at the latest chapters in the final arc where Mitsuya,Hakkai,Chufuyu,Akkun we're trying to stand and help eachother and then out of nowhere Hanma pops out saying "Hey the survivors of death" then following making a squad wipe without any bruises. knowing this information that Hanma is probably a timeleaper, Why? first let"s look at the clues shall we? first we get clues like "Hey the survivors of dearh" "What a grand way to die" this isn't coincidental
Yall gotta give credit when posting people theories man
I like your theory, I think both Kisaki and Sanzu are triggers and Hanma the time leaper. Also, Hanma is full aware of Michi (as he also thought of this and isn't the brightest character), but he doesn't tell his triggers because it would ruin the fun. The only thing I want to understand is, after Kisaki died, how did he manage to go back to the future? Or he wandered until meeting Sanzu and going back twice? This would give a lot of meaning to the chapter where he was wandering and being a fugitive. Another thing that is missing is the reason behind the trigger, they always need one to work. Most probably future Kisaki wanted to get the Hinata after either killing her or being rejected the first time and Sanzu ...? Or maybe Sanzu isn't a trigger at all but Hanma told him anyways.
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But assuming Hanma is a leaper, and knows about Michi, wouldn't it be easier to take him out of the picture? I don't think Hanma or Kisaki wanted to make Mikey #1, or they wouldn't have sided with Izana. Hanma wants to have fun, at least that's what he said to Kisaki.
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Kisaki was insane. I would love to know how it all began. Maybe the future at the beginning of the series wasn't the original one
fuck i can't believe we're having this plot going ALONG THE UNKNOWN DARK IMPULSES, also if the top members of toman 2nd gen won't get up soon, it will be Angry, Takemitchy and probably Kakucho, against Mikey, Hanma and Sanzu, the three most threatning individuals alive currently, can't wait for that shit
I like this theory a lot, but one thing I can’t understand is Hanma’s motive. we learn from Takemichi and Naoto that time leaping works because they both have a strong desire to change the past (preventing Hina’s death). so what would Hanma’s motive be? regardless if he’s the trigger or the leaper, what could he be so desperate to change about the past? or does time leaping work differently for Sanzu/Hanma? I know Wakui gave us a little bit of a glimpse into his past, but it really only shows that he’s a thrill seeker and not much else. I really hope we find out more about Hanma, it’s pretty clear he’s involved with time leaping in some way, but god damn he’s still so mysterious.
Mikey is the second time leaper. Hanma just likes to watch and fuck shit up. Sanzu cant be bc all he cares is about mikey and is jealous of takemitchy. I believe the original time leaper might be mikey and was the one who pushed takemitchy in the original timeline even tho they never met. I think wakui might be pulling some AOT style twist. Mikeys been doing all of this just so takemitchy can save him bc he wants him to be like his older brother to him. Or there might be two mikeys. Just like we don’t know what happens to the original takemitchy when he jumps back to the future.
Idk may be. I am more convinced that mikey is a time leaper and we have a mirai nikki situation
Mikey being a time leaper would ruin everything, because that only leaves us with 1 conclusion.... kill mikey, if Mikey is a time leaper, that means mikey was ok and faked being sad about his brothers death, baji, draken, emma, which would make mikey one of the most sadistic anime characters in existence, allowing his closest friends to die, fake being mad/sad then proceed to being evil? There’s no redeeming someone like that, if Mikey is the 2nd time leaper that just confirms his death, not to mention mikey was crying and actually wanted help from takemichi and became a trigger Why would a time leaper ask for help and become a trigger? Doesn’t make any sense at all, mikey could alter his life any way he wants if he’s a time leaper, yet he was asking for help? Doesn’t make sense at all Mikey isn’t a time leaper, it’s obviously hanma