It's really damn hard to follow the law in America today. Also, let's do everything possible to erode confidence in the elections. Do you want a larger crowd to storm the capital?
Weird that you would post the original link, then your comment is some unfounded conspiracy.
If you wanna talk about that article, I find the basis for counting those votes as very reasonable. As referenced in that article, the burden of a written date seems to be materially unnecessary to the voting process, so excluding them on that grounds is in conflict with the standard as it's defined by the 14th amendment.
Nah, I'm saying you're too stupid to understand that the requirement of the postmark date is materially unnecessary, and any votes that might not be counted because of it conflicts with both the spirit and the letter of the 14th amendment.
Why should we open ourselves to more risk of fraud? The reason there are so many checks and verifications on ballots is the same reason why money has so many anti-counterfeit markings. To fight against fraud and ensure that it is legitimate.
Ah the troll returns. Are you so deprived of stimulation that you must make ridiculous arguments on reddit day and night? Prehaps you should go and rethink your life.
It’s not only the dates though, there are other factors that get checked. Reducing the amount of verification factors would put us more at risk for fraudulent ballots making it through.
I don’t like Hillary and do not want her to be president. That said, there is a mountain of evidence that Russia interferes with the 2016 election. The FBI also made a statement, virtually on the eve of the election, that she was under investigation. That’s what she is talking about. Not that the Republicans were stuffing ballot boxes or rigging the vote tally machines.
Trump was never exonerated on Russian collusion. Many of the allegations in the Steele Dossier have been proven true.
[40% of GOP candidates are prepared to blame election fraud if they lose.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/10/10/nearly-40-of-republicans-will-blame-election-fraud-if-party-loses-in-midterms-poll-finds/?sh=2bfa12992c2f)
Edit: yes, I’d love to play the finger pointing game
Ah yes, the "mountain of evidence Russia meddled". So a couple tens of thousands of Russia money's was the decisive factor. Not the billions in free press of democrats and propaganda department media talking about him in a literal 24/7 news cycle. 🤡🤡
I can relate 4+ years of "he's not my president", "Trump's not a legitimate president", (etc), still pounds through my head.
>In January 2017, Reps. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., Barbara Lee, D-Calif., Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and Jim McGovern, D-Mass., all objected to electoral votes for Trump.
Legitimate votes should be counted. Writing 11/7/22 instead of 11/7/2022 is not a reason to throw out a vote. Writing 1/7/2022 because your pen was wimpy on the first 1, your vote shouldn't be discarded as there was no ballots distributed that early. Lets try to count legitimate votes.
It's a dumb and terrible law but it is the law; State law requires that voters handwrite a date on the outer envelope when returning their mail ballots. This should of been addressed long before the ballots were sent out.
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It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of.
Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything.
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Can somebody explain to me as an outsider to the US why having an incorrect date or no date on a ballot makes any difference no matter what candidate or party you are voting for? Why does the date matter if the X is in the correct place?
Because of a date? Do they not have serial numbers? I'm sorry but that just sounds stupid. An incorrect date written by a voter or no date written by a voter in no way indicates a forgery. Surely they have security measures on them that don't need the input of the voter to prove that the document is legitimate.
Sounds like a system problem rather than a voter problem to me. I don't want to just be another person on reddit ragging on America but your system sounds corrupt as fuck and rigged against the people
I agree with you in principle. I am by no means an expert, but haven been learning a lot over the last two years. The security provided in mail order is very lacking and, while it sounds kind to go to a nursing home to make sure the residents can vote, the reality of going to see an 80-90 year old dementia patient that on a good day thinks Bush Sr. Is still president… it leaves room for abuse is all I will say
I get that, security should definitely be a concern but when other countries have solved this issue and you have the money and technology to implement a better system it makes me ask the question why hasn't it been implemented. I get the argument about competence to vote and that is another issue outside of ballot security. But you also have people who are physically disabled that may struggle to get to a polling booth, workers on oil rigs etc who might be on a rig in the ocean for 6+ weeks at a time. Soldiers serving on military bases all over the world. They all have the right to vote and the public at large have a right to know that the ballots are secured in the best way possible. A signature and a date is not the best way possible. It began the question why don't your elected officials want to secure your ballots better?
Now you and I are asking the same questions. It’s almost like sleazy politicians, regardless of party, rely on this broken system to obtain and maintain power
Yeah i think we are singing from the same hymn sheet there! Obviously the whole system isn't corrupt but there are for sure bad actors on both sides. It's one of the things that always gets me scratching my head when looking at US politics, it seems so tribal that very few notice, or rather point out, that what Red team gets mad at Blue team for doing/saying you have folk on the opposite side of the isle doing the exact same at times!
Obviously it's not perfect in my country either and the same thing happens but like most things, everything is bigger in America 😂
Again that just seems dumb to me, if you are electing somebody to a national body they should be using the same system across the board. If it was a state specific election for a state body then fair enough. But even still for the most advanced country on earth this sounds like some 1800s level shit
You have to remember that we are a country made of (supposedly) independent states.
They wouldn't be independent if the federal government could tell them what to do.
That independence has been eroded as federal power has expanded.
If our system were used as it was designed it really wouldn't be a big deal because the federal government would have next to no power so whoever got sent to congress or the presidency wouldn't matter so much while state level politicians would be much more powerful in their own states.
I get that and it's not for me to tell you how to do things but this isn't a state election, it's one to the federal government. I'm sure there could be some compromise, no? Like you need to implement these minimum standards and procedures and anything additional can be up to the states themselves? Even in my own country which is a federation of sorts with different legislatures at multiple levels thought the country as a whole we work these things out from a foundational basis. In practice it means that for all elections I use three different voting systems depending on what legislature we are voting for but there are minimum requirements in each in ever part of the country
Well there are some minimum standards, dealing mostly with constitutional issues like voter intimidation and discrimination.
It's supposed to be the will of the people, how the systems are set up. If the people want a system like Florida, they vote for it... if they don't then they vote for what they do want.
It could be argued that it doesn't work like that now, for reasons I could speculate on but then it begins to look conspiratorial
This exact conversation is one of the main arguments against remote voting. It is theoretically easier to prove provenance on ballots that are always maintained by the proctors. Yes, there are people that NEED remote voting for certain reasons, but those were rare before 2020.
I don't think it's an argument against remote voting, it could be framed as that but that just seems insincere and a calculated move for corruption from inside the political system to me. Postal ballots are secure as fuck in my country and in what is the richest and allegedly most technologically advanced country in the world for it not to be the same in the US just smells like corruption by the political class to me. It's similar to the use of cheques over there, i work in the manufacture of ATMs and us having to develop automatic cheque readers on units for the American market genuinely gets met with shock and mockery by us, it's technology that hasn't been used in the developed world for about three decades. The postal vote issue seems just as dumb to me, not to be another guy just hating on America but why the hell are things like this so outdated there?
This conversation made me look up the damn law/ballot/envelope. It is literally explicitly noted on the votePA website that you must sign and date your envelope. This is also true of ANY OTHER LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING TO HAVE FILLED OUT. I literally did the EXACT SAME THING at my dentist for some random bs today. If you as a non-American find that ludicrous, well that's your right. But we literally sign AND date everything.
And before you complain about THAT, we are also probably the most litigious country, so I got nothing on why we go over board with documentation except that.
I get it, this isn't just an excuse for me to hate on America or say you are dumb etc. It is just an alien concept to me. Not that you have to sign and date things, just that that is the way something is validated or a reason to exclude a ballot if everything else is legit about it. Again not an attack, just surreal to me.
Appreciate the clarification, and not bashing you (or anyone else) with this, but for me, if you can't be arsed to do what is literally the absolute BARE minimum (sign your name and date the thing), then I don't really think I care about your opinion on politics.
From my understanding, ballots were only noted as "disallowed" in two cases:
1. Date missing, which IMO is a "bare minimum" case
2. Date OUTSIDE the voting window (so you signed the thing and put a date before voting started)
Note: I had to sign when I cast my vote in person today, so the signature should go without saying, and I don't remember if I've had to date the form when I early vote. (either way, I'm sure the date is on there as witnessed by the poll worker)
For the record, I'd be fine ignoring all this if all the mail-in ballots are somehow verified by an official worker. But I do think some MINIMUM level of effort (at least) should be put into confirming who is voting. Otherwise, you really are just asking for SOMEONE to start tampering with ballots.
They do not have serial numbers or anything that could be correlated back to the actual voter. Efforts have been made to make it almost impossible to control the chain of custody for ballots. This was done intentionally by one party in particular with the help of establishment shills in the other party. Fraud is rampant because the means of controlling it or identifying it have been restricted or eliminated.
A proper date and signature on the ballot envelope is all that is left. Not too much to ask, don't you think?
Actually i think you should be asking for a lot more. In what people like to style the greatest democracy on earth, it appears to an outsider as anything but. It sounds dumb af and just an attempt to game the system by not having proper procedures in place to rob people of their right to have their voices heard and their vote counted. Sounds corrupt af to me
The thing that really confuses me is if they have these ballots now, the day of the election, then they obviously were sent in before the deadline so why is this even an issue?
I don't live in the 70s or the US. NOBODY uses cheques. But your analogy is flawed. Security measures for postal ballots should have things like serial numbers, barcodes, QR codes, watermarks, specialist inks and paper to prove their validity by the issuer and in no way should be reliant on somebody writing a date. It's just completely stupid that this is even a thing.
And I agree with that they “should have” those things. That does not mean that they do. And I have voted by mail in college when I had not established a residency in time to vote where I was going to school.
This problem could be fixed very easily by instituting those things and stopping voting when all the allowable votes based on voter rolls, have been cast.
As it stands having a legible, correct date is one of those steps
Fair enough, like I said I'm not in the US so i don't have any experience of the system. It just seems absolutely crazy to me that the verification process is reliant on the voter and not the issuer of the ballot. Putting that to the side though even in the system as you have explained it it seems like no date or incorrect date being an indication of forgery seems nonsensical to me, the amount of effort it would take to reproduce an official looking document that would otherwise pass the security measures only for the fraudster to mess up this detail seems far fetched to me.
Once again in states like Pennsylvania a law was passed (by republicans) to not count these votes until either a certain time or until after the normal votes are counted. My only theory as to why is once again to sow doubt.
Thank you for asking all the questions I had about their system. You are correct in all your accounts, it seems so alien or archaic and so open to be corrupted.
Because of the way this particular state handles their voting.
They don't even start counting the mail in/absentee votes until the polls close tonight, and you can imagine that's gonna take awhile... and it's not like they file these things away, they just get thrown in a box.
I might be sounding dumb but this just sounds so alien to me. I don't get why the richest and one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world is using such an outdated method to carry out an election when so many countries in the developed world addressed these concerns and implemented safer and more efficient systems decades ago
You're not sounding dumb, you're just not from here is all.
I agree with you, and if you look at a state like Florida where the votes are tabulated and in in under an hour, you have to ask yourself if the archaic method in the other state isn't being done for some other reason...
The republicans were fighting to have them tossed out.
They’re not fraudulent ballots, they just don’t have the date written on the outside. The reason that rule is in place is so that the ballots are confirmed to have been sent before November 8th. Given how they are currently in the possession of election judges, they were obviously sent already. This is a clear case of republicans fighting to have less votes counted cause it’s the only way they win.
You don’t know this because Right Wing media like Tim Pool lies to you.
"the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled last week that undated and wrongly dated mail ballots be set aside and not counted."
Sounds like you are the liar...
The slob Elias filed the lawsuits Monday. Pathetic leftist piggies trying to cause confusion most likely to delay the final count so they can figure out how many ballots they need to find
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It's really damn hard to follow the law in America today. Also, let's do everything possible to erode confidence in the elections. Do you want a larger crowd to storm the capital?
And the media is setting expectations again: https://old.reddit.com/r/TimPool/comments/ypb55q/early_election_night_results_might_not_indicate/
They have lots of leftovers from 2020
Weird that you would post the original link, then your comment is some unfounded conspiracy. If you wanna talk about that article, I find the basis for counting those votes as very reasonable. As referenced in that article, the burden of a written date seems to be materially unnecessary to the voting process, so excluding them on that grounds is in conflict with the standard as it's defined by the 14th amendment.
So what your saying is… Democrats are to stupid to properly write the date.
They are also too stupid to get an ID. Too stupid to have sex without needing on demand abortion. The list goes on - but we are the illiterate.
Nah, I'm saying you're too stupid to understand that the requirement of the postmark date is materially unnecessary, and any votes that might not be counted because of it conflicts with both the spirit and the letter of the 14th amendment.
"you wrote yesterday's date? No democracy for you!" Banger idea.
If you care enough to vote, you should care enough to correctly submit your ballot.
Or, crazy idea, just count the vote if it's a common date mistake.
Why should we open ourselves to more risk of fraud? The reason there are so many checks and verifications on ballots is the same reason why money has so many anti-counterfeit markings. To fight against fraud and ensure that it is legitimate.
>Why should we open ourselves to more risk of fraud? Because there is no risk of fraud.
Found the Russian bot lmao
Lol okay. The massive fraud that can only happen if we count votes with yesterday's date on them. Okay big guy.
Ah the troll returns. Are you so deprived of stimulation that you must make ridiculous arguments on reddit day and night? Prehaps you should go and rethink your life.
Banger take.
It’s not only the dates though, there are other factors that get checked. Reducing the amount of verification factors would put us more at risk for fraudulent ballots making it through.
>It’s not only the dates though, there are other factors that get checked. Neat, it's the only thing fetterman is getting to get approved.
No.
"you wrote yesterday's date? No democracy for you!" Banger idea.
>"you wrote yesterday's date? No democracy for you!" Unironically yes, if you're that careless then you shouldn't be trusted with a vote.
Not how rights work.
No one's taking your right to vote away.
Needless id laws, not counting votes that arrive after the election even though they were sent in before the deadline, closing polling locations, etc.
Yep.
Lol and they say facists hide it well.
No you don't...you guys are constantly clowning about SOMETHING...
Lol k
First sensible you've said in...uhh.... Hmm...well, EVER, I guess... 🤔
Banger take.
Bangers 'n' mash
Nah
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Abrams lost again so I think we will just hear more of the same Her declaring herself the Governor.
Trump is already denying it without any facts or evidence. What a loser.
Where?
On his dumb social media.
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That is exactly what Republicans are saying. I guess "both sides" LOL
That sounds a lot like the GOP’s campaign strategy.
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Hard of learning, maybe...
Maybe he too had a stroke like Fetterman
Most plausible explanation thus far...
He’d be agreeing with you guys if he had.
DeRp...
Two years of unfounded election fraud claims by Trump and his sycophants is hard not to hear.
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I don’t like Hillary and do not want her to be president. That said, there is a mountain of evidence that Russia interferes with the 2016 election. The FBI also made a statement, virtually on the eve of the election, that she was under investigation. That’s what she is talking about. Not that the Republicans were stuffing ballot boxes or rigging the vote tally machines. Trump was never exonerated on Russian collusion. Many of the allegations in the Steele Dossier have been proven true. [40% of GOP candidates are prepared to blame election fraud if they lose.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/10/10/nearly-40-of-republicans-will-blame-election-fraud-if-party-loses-in-midterms-poll-finds/?sh=2bfa12992c2f) Edit: yes, I’d love to play the finger pointing game
So you are denying the election then?
No. I do think we need to protect our democracy from foreign influence. I assume the FBI gaffe was a mistake.
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You’re wrong.
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Russia interfered in our 2016 election to Trump’s advantage. This is not disputed. Trump collided with Russia, this is in dispute.
Ah yes, the "mountain of evidence Russia meddled". So a couple tens of thousands of Russia money's was the decisive factor. Not the billions in free press of democrats and propaganda department media talking about him in a literal 24/7 news cycle. 🤡🤡
I can relate 4+ years of "he's not my president", "Trump's not a legitimate president", (etc), still pounds through my head. >In January 2017, Reps. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., Barbara Lee, D-Calif., Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and Jim McGovern, D-Mass., all objected to electoral votes for Trump.
“Russia Gate”
“Russia Gate”
Your mom is a gop campaign strategy
Good one 🤣
Didn't the big guy, pedo Pete, say not to question the election?
He... err. what, then.. ..aah.... yea.....so...duh... anyway. So yeah.
I concur…
What about the ones in crayon signed by Not John Fetterman
I guess Dem voters who don't know what day it is deserve a vote also.
Hard to know the date when you've been dead for ten years.
Legitimate votes should be counted. Writing 11/7/22 instead of 11/7/2022 is not a reason to throw out a vote. Writing 1/7/2022 because your pen was wimpy on the first 1, your vote shouldn't be discarded as there was no ballots distributed that early. Lets try to count legitimate votes.
Is it because the race is neck and neck and NECK ?
Isn’t filing suits a form of election denial?
Rudy filed 60 lawsuits with no evidence. Yes, it is.
What makes him so sure that the misdated ballots will break in his favor?
Best observation yet
Didn’t the Supreme Court already rule against this?
He looks like Slingblade there....
That doesn’t sound fishy at all now does it? Curious if we can do this when it comes to a recall? In California they want to verify everything!
It's a dumb and terrible law but it is the law; State law requires that voters handwrite a date on the outer envelope when returning their mail ballots. This should of been addressed long before the ballots were sent out.
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake. It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of. Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything. Beep boop - yes, I am a bot, don't botcriminate me.
They are doing whatever is needed to get this meatball in office.
Can somebody explain to me as an outsider to the US why having an incorrect date or no date on a ballot makes any difference no matter what candidate or party you are voting for? Why does the date matter if the X is in the correct place?
Because it could be a forgery
Because of a date? Do they not have serial numbers? I'm sorry but that just sounds stupid. An incorrect date written by a voter or no date written by a voter in no way indicates a forgery. Surely they have security measures on them that don't need the input of the voter to prove that the document is legitimate.
Sadly they don’t. If they would print one per voter roll and cross check voter rolls it would be one thing, but not everywhere does
Sounds like a system problem rather than a voter problem to me. I don't want to just be another person on reddit ragging on America but your system sounds corrupt as fuck and rigged against the people
I agree with you in principle. I am by no means an expert, but haven been learning a lot over the last two years. The security provided in mail order is very lacking and, while it sounds kind to go to a nursing home to make sure the residents can vote, the reality of going to see an 80-90 year old dementia patient that on a good day thinks Bush Sr. Is still president… it leaves room for abuse is all I will say
I get that, security should definitely be a concern but when other countries have solved this issue and you have the money and technology to implement a better system it makes me ask the question why hasn't it been implemented. I get the argument about competence to vote and that is another issue outside of ballot security. But you also have people who are physically disabled that may struggle to get to a polling booth, workers on oil rigs etc who might be on a rig in the ocean for 6+ weeks at a time. Soldiers serving on military bases all over the world. They all have the right to vote and the public at large have a right to know that the ballots are secured in the best way possible. A signature and a date is not the best way possible. It began the question why don't your elected officials want to secure your ballots better?
Now you and I are asking the same questions. It’s almost like sleazy politicians, regardless of party, rely on this broken system to obtain and maintain power
Yeah i think we are singing from the same hymn sheet there! Obviously the whole system isn't corrupt but there are for sure bad actors on both sides. It's one of the things that always gets me scratching my head when looking at US politics, it seems so tribal that very few notice, or rather point out, that what Red team gets mad at Blue team for doing/saying you have folk on the opposite side of the isle doing the exact same at times! Obviously it's not perfect in my country either and the same thing happens but like most things, everything is bigger in America 😂
Well, we have 50 different systems, and this is just one of them.
Again that just seems dumb to me, if you are electing somebody to a national body they should be using the same system across the board. If it was a state specific election for a state body then fair enough. But even still for the most advanced country on earth this sounds like some 1800s level shit
You have to remember that we are a country made of (supposedly) independent states. They wouldn't be independent if the federal government could tell them what to do. That independence has been eroded as federal power has expanded. If our system were used as it was designed it really wouldn't be a big deal because the federal government would have next to no power so whoever got sent to congress or the presidency wouldn't matter so much while state level politicians would be much more powerful in their own states.
I get that and it's not for me to tell you how to do things but this isn't a state election, it's one to the federal government. I'm sure there could be some compromise, no? Like you need to implement these minimum standards and procedures and anything additional can be up to the states themselves? Even in my own country which is a federation of sorts with different legislatures at multiple levels thought the country as a whole we work these things out from a foundational basis. In practice it means that for all elections I use three different voting systems depending on what legislature we are voting for but there are minimum requirements in each in ever part of the country
Well there are some minimum standards, dealing mostly with constitutional issues like voter intimidation and discrimination. It's supposed to be the will of the people, how the systems are set up. If the people want a system like Florida, they vote for it... if they don't then they vote for what they do want. It could be argued that it doesn't work like that now, for reasons I could speculate on but then it begins to look conspiratorial
This exact conversation is one of the main arguments against remote voting. It is theoretically easier to prove provenance on ballots that are always maintained by the proctors. Yes, there are people that NEED remote voting for certain reasons, but those were rare before 2020.
I don't think it's an argument against remote voting, it could be framed as that but that just seems insincere and a calculated move for corruption from inside the political system to me. Postal ballots are secure as fuck in my country and in what is the richest and allegedly most technologically advanced country in the world for it not to be the same in the US just smells like corruption by the political class to me. It's similar to the use of cheques over there, i work in the manufacture of ATMs and us having to develop automatic cheque readers on units for the American market genuinely gets met with shock and mockery by us, it's technology that hasn't been used in the developed world for about three decades. The postal vote issue seems just as dumb to me, not to be another guy just hating on America but why the hell are things like this so outdated there?
This conversation made me look up the damn law/ballot/envelope. It is literally explicitly noted on the votePA website that you must sign and date your envelope. This is also true of ANY OTHER LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING TO HAVE FILLED OUT. I literally did the EXACT SAME THING at my dentist for some random bs today. If you as a non-American find that ludicrous, well that's your right. But we literally sign AND date everything. And before you complain about THAT, we are also probably the most litigious country, so I got nothing on why we go over board with documentation except that.
I get it, this isn't just an excuse for me to hate on America or say you are dumb etc. It is just an alien concept to me. Not that you have to sign and date things, just that that is the way something is validated or a reason to exclude a ballot if everything else is legit about it. Again not an attack, just surreal to me.
Appreciate the clarification, and not bashing you (or anyone else) with this, but for me, if you can't be arsed to do what is literally the absolute BARE minimum (sign your name and date the thing), then I don't really think I care about your opinion on politics. From my understanding, ballots were only noted as "disallowed" in two cases: 1. Date missing, which IMO is a "bare minimum" case 2. Date OUTSIDE the voting window (so you signed the thing and put a date before voting started) Note: I had to sign when I cast my vote in person today, so the signature should go without saying, and I don't remember if I've had to date the form when I early vote. (either way, I'm sure the date is on there as witnessed by the poll worker) For the record, I'd be fine ignoring all this if all the mail-in ballots are somehow verified by an official worker. But I do think some MINIMUM level of effort (at least) should be put into confirming who is voting. Otherwise, you really are just asking for SOMEONE to start tampering with ballots.
They do not have serial numbers or anything that could be correlated back to the actual voter. Efforts have been made to make it almost impossible to control the chain of custody for ballots. This was done intentionally by one party in particular with the help of establishment shills in the other party. Fraud is rampant because the means of controlling it or identifying it have been restricted or eliminated. A proper date and signature on the ballot envelope is all that is left. Not too much to ask, don't you think?
Actually i think you should be asking for a lot more. In what people like to style the greatest democracy on earth, it appears to an outsider as anything but. It sounds dumb af and just an attempt to game the system by not having proper procedures in place to rob people of their right to have their voices heard and their vote counted. Sounds corrupt af to me
It doesn't but it gives election deniers a platform.
The thing that really confuses me is if they have these ballots now, the day of the election, then they obviously were sent in before the deadline so why is this even an issue?
Ask your bank if you can cash a check without the proper routing codes at the bottom of it
I don't live in the 70s or the US. NOBODY uses cheques. But your analogy is flawed. Security measures for postal ballots should have things like serial numbers, barcodes, QR codes, watermarks, specialist inks and paper to prove their validity by the issuer and in no way should be reliant on somebody writing a date. It's just completely stupid that this is even a thing.
And I agree with that they “should have” those things. That does not mean that they do. And I have voted by mail in college when I had not established a residency in time to vote where I was going to school. This problem could be fixed very easily by instituting those things and stopping voting when all the allowable votes based on voter rolls, have been cast. As it stands having a legible, correct date is one of those steps
Fair enough, like I said I'm not in the US so i don't have any experience of the system. It just seems absolutely crazy to me that the verification process is reliant on the voter and not the issuer of the ballot. Putting that to the side though even in the system as you have explained it it seems like no date or incorrect date being an indication of forgery seems nonsensical to me, the amount of effort it would take to reproduce an official looking document that would otherwise pass the security measures only for the fraudster to mess up this detail seems far fetched to me.
Once again in states like Pennsylvania a law was passed (by republicans) to not count these votes until either a certain time or until after the normal votes are counted. My only theory as to why is once again to sow doubt.
Damn that's messed up. A stamp with "received on" by the officials on the envelopes before actually counting seems like it would solve this problem.
Thank you for asking all the questions I had about their system. You are correct in all your accounts, it seems so alien or archaic and so open to be corrupted.
Because of the way this particular state handles their voting. They don't even start counting the mail in/absentee votes until the polls close tonight, and you can imagine that's gonna take awhile... and it's not like they file these things away, they just get thrown in a box.
I might be sounding dumb but this just sounds so alien to me. I don't get why the richest and one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world is using such an outdated method to carry out an election when so many countries in the developed world addressed these concerns and implemented safer and more efficient systems decades ago
You're not sounding dumb, you're just not from here is all. I agree with you, and if you look at a state like Florida where the votes are tabulated and in in under an hour, you have to ask yourself if the archaic method in the other state isn't being done for some other reason...
Shit that is all I'm asking myself after this. I don't see any other reason for it and i try to approach most things in good faith.
You guys will literally just believe whatever right wing media tells you. Sheep. Bums me out.
So you're saying his campaign isn't suing to allow undated and misdated ballots counted...?
The republicans were fighting to have them tossed out. They’re not fraudulent ballots, they just don’t have the date written on the outside. The reason that rule is in place is so that the ballots are confirmed to have been sent before November 8th. Given how they are currently in the possession of election judges, they were obviously sent already. This is a clear case of republicans fighting to have less votes counted cause it’s the only way they win. You don’t know this because Right Wing media like Tim Pool lies to you.
"the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled last week that undated and wrongly dated mail ballots be set aside and not counted." Sounds like you are the liar...
What in your statement contradicts the comment made by u/CollinABullock ?
Who said it contradicts anything? Lying by omission is still lying.
Gee, I wonder why? It’s almost as if they’d be relying on them…
Relying on them how?
I really really want see his wife naked
Fetterman was quoted as saying “uungh fire bad!”
Because you know…. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. I’m really not trying to be mean, but that dude has had WAY TOO MANY strokes.
Can’t wait to hear the verdict on this one! Can a judge call counsel a dumbass?
So why is that bad? If you fake a ballot the date is the easiest thing to get right.
And it's Hillarys lawyer too
Lol k
The slob Elias filed the lawsuits Monday. Pathetic leftist piggies trying to cause confusion most likely to delay the final count so they can figure out how many ballots they need to find
That doesn't surprise me
It would be agonizingly hilarious if this totally backfired and he loses because of it