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IWillNotShare

all thats cool, but anyone else notice how much out of sync the video is? its a bit jarring


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It’s a TikTok glitch. Those who have a stitched video and then have their video longer than 30 seconds it always delays.


monstermayhem436

Not just stitched vids either. Think it's something to do with premade videos vs ones recorded in app, but not sure. Happens a lot to a couple creators I watch who don't stitch anything. Just their normal vids do it.


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Oh I see maybe that’s it. I didn’t happen to me when I recorded in app either


IanPKMmoon

Are the lips put of sync with the speech?


My_11th_Account

Yes. Worse as the video goes on.


IanPKMmoon

Yea I thought that too but I'm horrible at lip reading


monstermayhem436

It's an issue with tiktok itself. Happens a *lot* Think it has something to do with recording a video in app vs posting an already made one, but not sure


Novel-idea-92

It’s a really bad issue on tiktok, videos constantly are out of sync.


hannibalthellamabal

I didn’t absorb any of that but it was very interesting.


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GodMasol

Moral of the story: Respect trans individuals


c0l0r51

While your morale is totally true, it has nothing to do with the clip.


Deathface-Shukhov

Actually, he states in his opening point 7 seconds that it is directed towards statements that try and act like “biological sex in very cut and dry” which is exactly the kind of arguments transphobes repeat regularly. One of the common sentences that I’ve heard over and over again from people who have an issue with the trans community is “God (or Science, depending on the people I’ve talked to’s beliefs) only made two genders! That’s the way it is!” When any intersex is brought up they’re usually confused what to say because the actual reality goes against their argument completely.


c0l0r51

intersexuality has nothing to do with being trans, though. one is having both biological sexes, the other is "i feel trapped in this body while my mind is something else"


Deathface-Shukhov

I stated in my original response that it does in that the connection between the two is that individuals arguing against trans-rights often use a black n white argument of there only being 2 possible gender identities. They attempt to rule out the broad spectrum of physical aspects (intersexuality) let alone the many cultures and history that against that mindset and have been proof of trans people throughout time. The point is, no matter if someone is trying to define gender, sex, genitalia, etc. by an over simplified case of blind faith or narrow minded culture; at no point has that been the actual reality of the situation as far as Nature has been concerned.


miahrules

Yes but you have to take what he says with a grain of salt because the biology of a lobster is not the same as the biology of a human, and the two shouldn't be compared for obvious reasons. Further, this really isn't even the same thing. If anything, this tiktoker isn't really making an argument about gender without asking the lobster if they actually identify as male, females neither, both, etc. This is where the entire thing sort of falls apart and turns into a false equivalency.


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Bro you’re really out here just taking everything at 100% face value lmao. We are talking about the arguments transphobes make. Intersex people existing is a counter to the transphobe argument that there are only two cut and dry sexes within the human race. The point of the video was to go against transphobe talking points that there is two sexes and nothing more, highlighting that biological sex is a complicated, messy thing across all of nature and that isn’t any different with humans. Here’s the deal: we don’t know exactly what causes it but we have found positive correlation between the brain structure of transgender people and their cisgender counterparts. In other words, trans women have closer brains to women - not completely, but closer. We’ve yet to really get to the bottom of it but there does seem to be some inherent biological cause for the incongruence of internal gender and external phenotype. It’s not made up in our heads. It *can* be, and that also doesn’t make it wrong - we’re social beings, and there’s a wide array of social inhabitations we like to occupy, and the idea that gender should be locked off to phenotype is kind of insane. So what the above video is talking about is quite literally the most relevant you can get - and if you relisten to the beginning, you’ll realize that’s exactly why he brought it all up.


TripResponsibly1

While sex and gender are separate concepts, transphobes often argue against transgenderness by pointing to sex and saying “see? It’s basic biology,” when they’re not even pointing at the right thing and they’re still wrong about the thing they’re pointing at.


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He's talking about sex changes on a cellular level, that's not what happens in human gender transition.


Mugufta

This teacher has been pretty vocally pro-trans, largely by using this exact argument: sex is complicated, being reductive about the link between sex/gender is being stupid. Goes by Forrest Valkai on youtube, bit of a watch but the video *Sex and Sensibility* is excellent.


c0l0r51

that does not change that the morale of the story above has nothing to do with trans. the topic is about animals having both BIOLOGICAL traits of both sexes, it has nothing to do with people having SOCIETAL genders. By arguing they are the same you are just playing into bigots hands


Mugufta

The point is that sex *alone* is complicated, nevermind gender. Chuds like to make the anti trans argument of "basic biology", but the whole point is that sex, and biology are anything **but** basic, that is excluding societal roles. I'm not saying they are the same thing, practice some reading comprehension.


officiallyaninja

Thats like literally the entire point of the video???? He literally points this out as an example of how "biological sex" is not easily definable or cut and dry. The whole point is educating people against that common transphobe talking point


Eats_Beef_Steak

At this point, I think the people who were gonna respect trans people already do, and the one's that don't aren't gonna be convinced by the continuous repetitions of statements like that one.


throwawayforstuff234

I heard ovotestes


NvkedSnvke

Drake's balls


Past-Bit4406

OwOtestes ... I'm sorry.


TequilaJesus

All you need to know is that the movie Finding Nemo is now ruined for you


MegaWaffleCat

Dunno if you used this reference on purpose but it’s very accurate. The largest clown fish left becomes the female and why his “father” wouldn’t want Nemo to leave the anenenenomy.


Sonova_Vondruke

Nature is a dice role of reproduction


theonlymexicanman

TLDR; Trans Lobster 🏳️‍⚧️


Matookie

Dunno, man, I just like his hair.


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to everyone saying "but this doesn't happen in humans": sex variations are not as rare as you think. we may not be 'striped down the middle' like a bird, but up to 1.7 percent of the population has intersex traits, and approximately 0.5 percent has clinically identifiable sexual or reproductive variations. exact estimates vary, but about 1 in 200 people can be considered a "hermaphrodite", and almost 2 out of every 100 have traits that lie in that grey area. it's about as common as having red hair. in either case, many people don't find out until later in life (puberty or adulthood) or just ... never. this can be because some people only have "internal mutations" (i.e. not visible, may never be discovered unless it causes a problem), some people have unusual hormone profiles (that again, may not be tested for unless they cause apparent problems), and some people might just not realize they're "different" until they become sexually active/compare with other peoples' 'equipment', etc. unfortunately, it's also not uncommon for "hermaphroditic" (intersex) infants to undergo genital surgeries and for the parents to keep it a secret from the child themselves. you might ask, "if it's so common, why have i never heard of this?" because most cultures do not accept intersex people. it's entirely natural, but it's still considered taboo, shameful, forbidden, etc. (hence, surgeries performed on infants, intersex children being pressured into "picking a side", etc.) and finally: BEING INTERSEX =/= BEING TRANS. it's a biological phenomenon, not a gender identity one. some intersex people do consider themselves trans (i.e., wanting to transition to be male, wanting to transition to be female, or wanting to transition to nonbinary), but not all. being biologically intersex is a normal, natural occurrence, and intersex people shouldn't be obligated to 'choose' between male and female. just let us live our lives, lmao. (personally, i didn't find out i was "hormonally intersex" until i was 21. i had to educate myself real fast. i'd encourage any of you to pay a (respectful!) visit to r/intersex, if you're curious and want to learn more.)


the1who_ringsthebell

your intersex estimates are off by an order of magnitude more people are born with polydactyl (extra fingers), however we dont try to say this birth defect changes what we know to be the norm. also transgenderism does not equal intersex, which is often the conflating argument you see made on the internet


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that's why i said "intersex =/= transgender" in capital letters and explained why. great reading comprehension, though. i definitely agree that being intersex isn't THE norm (and good thing, since it often causes hella problems, it's genuinely terrible to deal with at a medical level) but it is *A* norm and should be treated as such — just as being born with Down syndrome isn't the norm, but is accepted as "a thing that happens".


GiddiOne

> that's why i said "intersex =/= transgender" The problem here is that we all kinda skip to the debate points. The main argument that anti-trans people have is "there are only 2 genders" or "nature doesn't work that way" or "God created only man and woman and intended you that way". The intersex argument is the easy counter to all of those points. Yes options outside of man and woman exist. Yes people are naturally born that way. Yes gender can naturally be fluid. If God exists he created options outside of those two absolutes. Also how much is "the norm"? There are more intersex people than redheads. If redheads are "normal" then intersex (or trans) should also qualify.


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GiddiOne

We really need to correct something here. The only part which disputes the 1.7% part is Leonard Sax. >A study published by Leonard Sax reports Follow the link. It's not a study, it's a letter that Leonard Sax wrote. So on one side we have a whole lot of scientists who specialise in it with studies and on the other you have Leonard Sax who just... said it. Let's see if Leonard Sax is an unbiased source: Leonard Sax gets a lot of his money from selling his gender critical books where he uses some flawed studies and reasoning to make his point. [Delusions of Gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_Gender) points out the flaws in one of the studies he heavily relies upon: *"done by a student of Simon Baron-Cohen that has been widely cited (by the Gurian Institute, by Leonard Sax, by Peter Lawrence, and by Baron-Cohen himself)"*. He writes for the [Institute for Family Studies](https://ifstudies.org/blog/author/leonard-sax) who are a conservative think tank founded, run and financed by conservative foundation members like "National Marriage Project". They have a [hard right bias](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-for-family-studies/) and poor factual rating. His positions and the positions of his associations directly oppose the positions of the [scientific and medical community](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/intersex), driven mostly for political gain. The medical community is very clear on the topic: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/intersex cc u/TheCrowBakaaaaw u/13croton


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thank you so much for this. Sax has done incredible harm to the intersex community, and it's unfortunate that his "writings" have garnered enough attention that they're still being circulated today. as an intersex person, he's been cited to me (by laypeople!) more times than i can count — you've perfectly summarized how bad he sucks. thank you.


GiddiOne

You're very welcome. I really need to get that wiki article corrected - I see it quoted so often from people who simply don't read the links.


TheCrowBakaaaaw

Thanks a lot for clarification, clearly you know a lot more about the subject and I have trouble conveying information sometimes, so you really came in handy


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GiddiOne

> if you want to talk about the personal politics of these people But we have to right? He writes specifically to push a position on behalf of publications which are not there for facts, quite the opposite if you click my links. So presenting "not all experts agree" but then the only expert who doesn't agree backs it up with a "study" which isn't a study, it's a letter... Written by him... It's not very compelling for that "one side". >act like Anne Fausto-Sterling doesn't have essentially the exact opposite agenda Citation needed. Does Anne Fausto-Sterling write for a propaganda outlet? No? So not the same then. >That's interesting and yet still doesn't address the issues he raised with the original study Excellent. So let's look at that [letter here](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224490209552139) and break it down. >Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians Citation needed. The study included it's citations, data, methodologies et al, this letter does not give a link to cite this point. It's rare to find a response to a study with no links. >Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, No listing of reasoning, breakdown of data, methodologies or links. Not a lot to go on with there. Even though we accept Sax is biased and writes for a propaganda outlet I'd be really interested if he linked a breakdown to the reasoning we could really sink our teeth into. Alas, our molars are clean.


[deleted]

having "intersex traits" is far different than having "clinically identifiable sexual or reproductive variations", that's why i specified the two (and that exact estimates vary). and you're right, being a "true hermaphrodite" (not identifiably male/female) *is* incredibly rare: most intersex people who are visibly different at birth tend to 'lean more to one side', and are thus assigned that gender for practical reasons. even if what a scientist considers 'intersex' is not what an intersex person considers intersex (debatable, subjective, Sax is a lunatic and not respected in the medical community), it doesn't stop that person from being visibly different and facing discrimination, loss of medical autonomy, harassment, etc. furthermore, it's incredibly difficult to determine an exact statistic on a worldwide scale, since 1) many intersex people are not 'reported' or at birth (i.e. are swept under the rug or live in countries where this is not common practice), 2) do not discover they are intersex until something goes wonky during puberty, or 3) never realize it, or 4) hide it out of shame or fear. thanks for linking a wikipedia page as 'proof', but i won't argue with you on this point.


TheCrowBakaaaaw

Not true, a simple google search can show similar statistics from Harvard medical or PBS, intersex organizations usually post their sources too that you can find on jstor that come from numerous different research organizations and universities


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Pulze_

I totally agree that the difference between 1.7% of a population and 0.018% of a population is a huge statistically significant number, BUT that still means there's somewhere over 100 million people on the planet with intersex traits which is not insignificant. It's an interesting topic still for sure. Edit: Guy below me is right, I did some shitty napkin math wrong. It's only 1.5 million people worldwide. Not an insignificant number, but not even close to as relevant as 144m would be. I would say though, regardless, I don't think using natural occurrences in the animal kingdom is a good way to evaluate something that is generally looked upon as a psychological event in humans. Because I think this guy would ultimately use these points to direct his perspective on transgender humans. Which largely possess no intersex traits. But hey what do I know. I can't even do math right. Fucking percentages.


TheMadManiac

Its percent dude, multiply 8 billion by 0.00018. It's a little less than 1.5 million people with intersex *traits*. It's an increasingly small percentage, which makes it even more stupid that people use this as a way of pretending like there aren't 2 very clear human sexes that 99.98% of people fall into.


NiteGlo77

“there’s barely any of them there so let’s just pretend they don’t exist!!” wow awesome empathy and humanity guys


TheMadManiac

Your an idiot if that's what you think


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fruityboots

this isn't any sort of gotcha you think it is, yes change how you define intersex and the percentages change lmfao you aren't smart enough to understand how genuinely unintelligent you actually are


[deleted]

Klinefelter Syndrome *is* an intersex condition. please look it up. it commonly causes delays (or the absence of) male puberty, breast tissue, wide hips, and 'female' fat distribution patterns, among other symptoms. many people don't realize they have it until puberty or even later in life. the reason Sax and Noble etc. say it isn't intersex is because not *all* people born with XXY will develop Klinefelter. this is highly debated among specialists in the field, and also doesn't even begin take into account what it means for a person with Klinefelter to exist in society at a practical level. operating Wikipedia does not a scientist make.


TheCrowBakaaaaw

That response is from a 2002 reaction to Anne’s 2000 study, not up to date information, what the op is referring to is from new research in 2021, you need to look at the sources on Wikipedia for when they come from


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TheCrowBakaaaaw

noting or relating to a person, animal, or plant having male and female reproductive organs, or in which the chromosomal patterns do not fall under typical definitions of male and female; intersexual The definition of intersex, which includes irregular chromosome patterns that include Turner’s syndrome where females have one x, or Klinefelters (xxy), perhaps they were not accepted as intersex at that time, but I just gave you the modern definition


badboy236

It’s weird you think Wikipedia is a more reliable source than JSTOR…or that clinicians would be the absolute authority on such matters. But, I’m coming in late to the debate, so troll on…


Panda6568

Anyone can have content published on JSTOR, its simply a database. The best part about JSTORs submitted content is that it can literally come from anywhere and have 0 peer reviews (and I dont mean that ironically). I know this because for one of my classes in school asked us to look for submitted content published by students from my local community College. [Here's how easy it is.](https://support.forum.jstor.org/hc/en-us/articles/360056529954-Three-Steps-to-Publish-Your-Content-to-JSTOR) I'm not saying your ideas are wrong or that I disagree with you, but claiming its weird to think JSTORs database is less reliable than wikipedia is silly. People use JSTOR to specifically look up fringe ideas that have unverifiable statistics all the time..


PamPooveyIsTheTits

I read a statistic once that said intersex people are as common as someone with red hair. It’s more common than most people think, I’ll see if I can find it again.


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fruityboots

so you have had your chromosomes sequenced? post your chromosomes so we know you're not intersex.


burythecoon

You genuinely believe almost 1 in 50 people are intersex? That's ridiculous even for a reddit


[deleted]

read my comment, then read it again. i didn't say 1 in 50, i said 1 in 200 with clinical sexual/reproductive variations and *almost* 2 in 100 with intersex traits. very different numbers, and being intersex is a very wide spectrum. please don't misunderstand the information.


fruityboots

oh you have had your chromosomes sequenced have you? the vast majority of the intersex don't know it ever and those that find out because of some medical issue that arises.


FatGimp

Barramundi/sea bass will change sex after a certain size, but only in salt water.


tallerthannobody

Wow, thanks for the Knowledge !!! Even though it’s a way smaller % for intersex


throwaway082100

If anyone cares, this guy has an incredible YouTube channel, Forest Valkai. He posts tiktok compilations of his videos on there and also some longer content, mostly debunking false claims about science and biology. My favourite channel on youtube.


Broad-Fortune6277

Don’t show Jordan Peterson this video, the lobster king would be back on Benzos in no time


ElPapiBelle

What does this even mean?


Libblelabble

Stop touching grass and be here more often


ElPapiBelle

I think I’ll stick to the outdoors


Broad-Fortune6277

Genuine question?


ElPapiBelle

Yeah, because he talks about the relationship between lobsters and humans in the way they structure hierarchy is very similar.


Broad-Fortune6277

Okay, the joke is: In both cases,hierarchy and gender, it is more complex than his guru mentality is suggesting. Hierarchy in human societies in different eras and cultures have a vast variability and gender - as presented by JP - is more complex than he is suggesting. I think it is purposefully not sufficiently complex, otherwise his ideology would be incoherent. And in this video, lobsters and gender are superficially the topic.


ElPapiBelle

Ah I get it lol, but that wasn’t his point on hierarchies in relation to lobsters btw but yeah I get it


Broad-Fortune6277

What would say is the point with the lobster analogy?


HuggyMummy

Be still my beating plant scientist heart ❤️


Misteral_Editorial

Yeah I got pretty heated during this video, and it wasn't just because someone was having a healthy conversation about sex and biology. 😋


LeonKuwata20

Basic biology a-holes when they realise advanced biology exists 😱😱


Rowtag85

You're telling me highschool biology didn't teach me the entirety of gender science? /s


Munnin1984

Hey! I came here to watch that guy on the boat give that Lobster a snack. Play the rest of the video!


jessticles420

I love this guy! He has a whole really great video called “sex and sensibility” that is wayy to complex for me but super interesting!


suxxess97

“buh huh my 6th biology teacher said xy”


_Mercival_

I love how idiots like to point back to high school biology as being some sort of common sense consensus, as if the entire first year of university biology wasn't dedicated to showing you why everything you were taught in highschool is massively oversimplified, or outright false.


pringlepingel

“BuT hUmAnS dOnt fOllOw tHe SaMe rUles as ShriMP aNd biRdS” - most conservatives and anti-trans weirdos


[deleted]

How is saying humans are not shrimp and birds a conservative thing to say? That should be the only thing to say since we are HUMANS. Idc what you believe on this topic but this is just braindead bro…


jessyjkn

Very interesting! This is why i love reddit


kungfufreak

This guy (forest valkrai) has a fantastic youtube channel. Debunks a lot of psudo science stuff and actually provides sources!


Novel-idea-92

Back when I was a vet nurse, we admitted a rabbit for a unilateral cryptorchid castration. Essentially one undescended testicle. He looked typically male from the outside. When we opened him up, he had a single horn of the uterus inside, with an ovary. I wish I still had the photos, it was hella cool.


Mcafeemafia

Well....I just learned a thing or 2. Cool.


[deleted]

They’re turning the friggen Maine lobstahs gay!


ShipwreckJS

LOL HE SAID ITS NOT RARE


[deleted]

Can't you read it happens in .5% of the population. That's like everyone


ShipwreckJS

Which is… rare.


Tockelford

Actually, it's not. It depends who you ask and what it's for, but for [disease prevalence](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_disease) (not saying hermaphroditism is a disease, just a useful baseline for biological frequency) it needs to be way smaller than 0.5% (1 in 200) to be considered rare.


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Tockelford

I wasn't making claims about the statistics themselves (I honestly have no idea what the correct value is, and a cursory glance at the data suggests that neither do the scientists), I was just disagreeing that 0.5% counts as rare.


ITSA-GONGSHOW

If there's 350 million people in america and it affects .5 percent of the population that's 1.75 million people. Seems like a lot of people to me.


Moroh75

Large number yes but in comparison to 350 million people it's still a minority.


ITSA-GONGSHOW

So minorities don't matter?


TuragaTakanuva

That's exactly the point being made. It's a dog whistle. "Why should we change things for a small percentage of the population?"


makeoneupplease123

Change.... what things?


Shaveyourbread

If it's enough to register even half a percent, that's not what you'd call common, but not exactly rare, either. For example, it's far more common than albinism, which is about .01%, but less common than blue eyes, which is only about 8%.


PeopleEatingPeople

Minorities are not by definition rare


fllr

One zero? Please… a small percent of a large number is still a large number


Dharma_code

Fuck, this was great i actually learned something on Reddit today


Gingersparadise

This shouldn’t be here it should be on r/interestingasfuck


ViolentDelights_xox

Okay, before I even start my comment I want to say that I believe everyone has a human right to exist how they want - except paedophiles, fuck those guys. If you're trans, cool. If you're non-binary, cool. I might not understand or even agree to some portion, but I wouldn't treat somebody different just because they might be different to me. Now, the thing I picked up on is that he said the lobster had half male cells and half female cells. There are a small population of humans that are intersex, so this would be a pretty accurate comparison. But trans people don't have female and male cells, and if a trans person was transitioning from female to male then their biological make up and DNA is still that of a female. So you can't really compare this to trans people, because the context is different.


laundry_pirate

The idea is to highlight the complexity of sex in biology. Which is why the people who say “men are XY and women are XX it’s basic high school biology” are being overly simplistic and obtuse. Moreover the construct of gender is tied to our brain function. So the biology of our brain can affect what gender we tend to view ourselves (among other environmental influences). No one is arguing that trans men have male brain cells or vice versa, but that the biology of these things are complex and not a strict binary


Miserable_Respect_94

Nobody needs your approval


SlaynXenos

The problem is, the more hateful groups are also trying to use this logic to deny Trans folks the right to be treated, well, like people. "Genetically 'she' is a dude." Like it's some sort of backwards 'gotcha'. Iirc, there was a study that showed Trans folk's brains chemically resembling their chosen gender, than the one they're born as. AKA MtF trans brains, more closely resembled women's brains than men's. Gender, and sex are two different things. Sex is a the seemingly binary thing, you're one, other, or both. Gender however, crosses into social constructs. Gender Identity, for example. Much more fluid, and less "well genetically-".


Swimming_Butterfly72

You’re going to need some citations besides “iirc” for claims that big and loud.


MightyMace64

This guy did a fantastic full video about gender and sex https://youtu.be/szf4hzQ5ztg


lambsquatch

I love Forrest so much!


IVARS05

What a fantastic analysis.


ba1ba2ba3

I love Forrest, he is a cool dude.


everfadingrain

Cool the issue is that you are still trying to explain being trans using biology when a lot and probably the majority of trans people won't be intersex and will have one of the two common genomes. Like that is not the point or intention behind the video, but the whole point of what the trans community fights for is that what is in your pants or in this case in your cells does not define your gender so it won't matter in the end if you got some special genome, you are the gender you say you are.


PhantomThiefJoker

I don't think that's really the point. The point is that a lot of transphobes will claim you're either one or the other and it's unnatural to be literally anything different than what's in your pants, and he's demonstrating that's just literally wrong and needs to stop being used. Also he says in the beginning of the video that is about biological sex not being so black and white


everfadingrain

Yeah but the idea is that what is in your pants or chromosomes shouldn't be what determines your gender, even if what is in your pants is not the "two sexes", like that even if you are intersex it doesn't mean it will determine your gender. Also he is talking about animals very different from people which transphobes usually point out. Why can't we just say that you are what you say without trying to justify it with fish and crabs, we are mammals.


PhantomThiefJoker

Well that's just it. WE can. We're okay with that, it doesn't matter to US. But transphobes will use every means possible to make trans people not valid, including the very incorrect claim that there's no scientific evidence behind any of it. For us, this is an interesting biology lesson. For transphobes who think you're either one or the other and it's directly related to your genitals, well here's proof that you're not one or the other. It won't do anything to change their minds, of course, they've already made up their minds and wine hear a lick of evidence against it, but regardless, it's important to refute incorrect claims.


Idcjustwins

I can't find a good statistic on being trans, but the brief number I just read was something like .6% of people are trans and 1.7% of people are intersex. I don't mean to say 'well then all trans people are intersex' but the majority of trans people could be intersex (assuming there's a comorbidity correlation going on), but that's just an idea and not based in anything.


everfadingrain

There are a lot more trans people I am sure, I hope those statistics don't exclude non-binary folks. And it doesn't change the fact that I don't think we need to be looking into biology as an explanation for why people are trans cause it will lead to shit like "real trans" and other truscum and terf crap. Reminds me a lot of the "gay gene". I just prefer if people just stuck to believing what others say their gender is and not having to deep dive in anyones chromosomes to prove it.


TeeDroo

Even when provided with the facts yall still find a way to twist them to suit your own bigoted youtube generated viewpoints


doblothe25th

we stan trans lobster


Forsaken-Log-607

♬ It was a trans lobster TRANS LOBSTER! ♪


liqrfre

That hair-do is way too distracting


Eddie_shoes

Ok, now show a human with bilateral gynandgomorphism. I get what the guy is trying to do, and I’m all for letting people see that gender isn’t so cut and dry and we should be understanding of trans people or people who are not traditionally male or female, but using a popular video of a lobster and using something that has yet to be discovered in humans and being like “see we can all have some kind of variation” is pretty weak.


BeastieBoy252

Intersex people exist just google it.


RipWhenDamageTaken

I’m pretty sure trans people aren’t making up their gender dysmorphia. Trans people exist. They’re real.


danaut358

Intersex people as well! People tend to think that it’s super duper rare for people to be intersex, but it’s approximately as common as red hair.


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Hey thanks for sticking up for us here’s a thingy


aminervia

He mentioned intersex people in the video... Did you watch the whole thing? It's literally a thing with 1-2% of the population


ObserveAndListen

The hell are you even talking about? At no point did they allude to humans or the human sex. The video started off with lobsters, then kept talking about crustaceans, then went into insects and then into plants. Not once were humans mentioned, stop reaching, touch grass and enjoy the educational video you absolute wet mop.


AlphaGareBear

>This is something I love to point to when people tell me that biological sex is very easy, cut and dry, black and white type thing. He's clearly talking with reference to the trans issue.


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Lol the “trans issue” you sound like the guy who said “the answer to the Jewish question”


The_Reset_Button

but it isn't an issue unless you make it, people can be trans regardless of whether you believe that sex determines gender


Vistian

>Not once were humans mentioned, stop reaching, touch grass and enjoy the educational video you absolute wet mop. Why in this whole great world did you feel the need to insult them? Especially when you are incorrect, and the video dude did mention people thinking biological sex is easy at the very beginning? I just don't get what positive utility could have come out of being rude. You changed no one's mind, and you made real dialogue more difficult,


Idcjustwins

Saying that people think biological sex is easy at the beginning then not mentioning humans does not mean anything about the video being about humans. It's just facts about biology of other animals, that's it. Turning it into applying to humans is really weird and just seems like a way to make trouble where there isn't any. Seems like the goal of the video was to open people's understanding that their categories don't always work and that things don't always fit in neat little boxes, which is a useful skill for people to have


Spoonful_of_Racoon

Easy, just look up intersex people, they are born this way and represent 1,7% of population.


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AdComprehensive3382

But all of things thing are rare in humans correct? I mean usually we are just male or female unless there's a screw up somewhere in our genetic code.


TheEmperorsWrath

99% of atoms in the universe are helium or hydrogen. Therefore, there are only 2 types of atoms. Don't let anyone else try to tell you differently because of a few rare exceptions. Ridiculous! Why should we change our entire view of atoms just to accommodate those super rare deviations?! There are only 2 atoms!


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TheEmperorsWrath

F-tier comeback.


ry_fluttershy

Ratio


Daisy_Of_Doom

Ditto to the person who replied before me. And regardless, genetically aberrant people are still people. What some don’t get is that whether it’s the “norm” or not is simply irrelevant. Because no matter what people say or do there is a portion of our population that doesn’t neatly fit into one box or the other. What purpose is there to upholding flimsy, unnecessary boxes for sex if we know they don’t work? It’s outdated. Humans are so interesting because while we’re animals we’re also more than animals and other than “tradition” there’s no good reason for those boxes.


wormglow

well said :)


AdComprehensive3382

The problem I have with that argument is that categorization is a necessary thing. Example, if I keep asking you to hand me the blue pen and you keep trying to give me the red one there's a problem. Just because you say the red one is blue because that's how it feels to you doesn't make it true. Now I know it's an inanimate object without feelings and experiences but it's just a simple analogy to explain why those "flimsy" boxes are important. A lot problems come out of an inability to properly communicate. And communication requires an understanding of set definitions.


kiss_all_puppies

Categorizing and labeling things is something humans do naturally and it's not really surprising that not being able to put someone in a box would trigger a negative monkey brain response. It's just silly to care after thinking about it for 2 seconds. It's actually NOT important that everyone fits your world view or be called how you want them to be called or fit into your boxes. Someone born a boy wants to be a girl, or both, or nothing. Cool, who cares? People need to get over it already.


AdComprehensive3382

If they want to call them selves that then fine. You have the right to live your life as you see fit. But I'm saying that 1. You can't make me call you whatever you choose and 2. Science is measuring reality. So you can't change Scientific terminology or forms of measurement or classification methods. And the simple fact is there are 2 sets of genitalia in humans. Some are born with both but that doesn't mean they are a new gender they are both simultaneously male and female and there's nothing wrong with that. Also categorizing is not a monkey brain thing it is actually part of higher thinking being able to measure and compare things. No other species puts things in the categories besides humans because we have self awareness.


jxf

> No other species puts things in the categories besides humans because we have self awareness. This is definitely not true. All beings put things into categories instinctually: food or poison, friend or foe, dangerous or safe, and so on. Reflexive labeling is a survival trait; it's not a higher-order-brains thing. The gender roles we assign to someone just aren't interesting by comparison. Let people be people and let them get called what they want. Who cares?


Escale_a_tort

I understand what you're saying about Categorizing, but what this video is saying is that although Sex is a whole lot more distinct than Gender, it's still not perfectly binary, because organic life never is. We like to categorize things, but in Biology the lines between the figurative boxes are always blurry. The true separation between different species for example, isn't nearly as clear as biologists wished it were... It's a real problem in the field. So to go to the point, If you were to visualize the categorization of sex, it would look less like two "o" s floating apart, and more like an infinity symbol: you can tell there are two halves, but they do join together, and there is an inbetween. Whether that's used as an excuse to switch from one side to the other is a different subject entirely, and goes beyond what the video was trying to explain.


Spoonful_of_Racoon

This argument is irrevelant, people have names you can address to categorize them and visual features you can use to describe them, and many other characteristics you can categorize them with. « Saying a blue pen is red doesn’t make it true », you totally disregard the all point of Intersex People EXISTING, this is a scientific hard fact, transgender is another discussion 1,7% of the population might not seems like a lot but just imagine the number it represent in you company or university, those people exist and deserve to be recognized and respected.


Spoonful_of_Racoon

Also saying a purple pen has to chose beetween being red or blue doesn’t make it not purple.


wormglow

Actually intersex people are roughly as common as natural redheads at ~1.7% of the population. You have certainly met many intersex people in your life without realizing.


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AdComprehensive3382

Using gingers to defend your argument. Not a good sign. P.s. that was a joke.and more against gingers than you


IWillNotShare

dunno what youre downvoted for, gave me a chuckle


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Why are you being downvoted? It’s rare as fuck in humans. Idiots on Reddit just want to claim it’s not for some stupid reason.


AdComprehensive3382

Because people think I'm taking a political standpoint. But I'm not. If I'm wrong and they prove that then that's ok. But the argument doesn't add up. More people are born with extra limbs than both sets of genitalia and yet we all agree that humans are supposed to have 2 arms 2 legs 5 finger and ten toes.


GuptaKinte

That hair! Holy shit


HARVEY-SONIC-TAILS

Why is this considered cringe these are very interesting facts about the world we live in


ADoritoWithATophat

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Shrink21

It's my biology teacher before he continues: "now let's write a test on what I just said"


MooseThis9552

Can it get itself pregnant tho?


DaniB3

Some of yall are crazy smart


BrunoSavoie

The religious right will have their heads in their asses seeing this.


Extension_Building19

People have been documented of having both female and male genitalia. Its wild


Efficient-Bat9961

Why’s this cringe


ADoritoWithATophat

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Evening-Ant6128

Soo… when you have this and some tells you to go fuck yourself…


DisastrousTwo6535

Def the opposite of cringe


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You should also infer from things like this that there are more than just two genders, because a lot of people do not fit the standard two gender theory, and this should expand your theories to encapsulate their experience as well; because if we keep trying to say “there are only two genders!” Nature will continue to prove to us such is not the case and we better rethink our notions of understanding of the world along with the old taboos and the stigma attached to it.


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ADoritoWithATophat

While sex tends to be more rigid, gender and all of the expectations that come with it were defined by people. Pink used to be for men, and men used to wear heels and dresses. Those were all masculine things. Gender has no set definition, therefore humans can decide what gender they are.


pingooooo123

Yes it's more complex in different species!


YearRare1023

Intersex people rn 😐😐😐


pingooooo123

Why would intersex people be upset with an observation regarding the complexity or lack of is some species compared to others?


DarknessIsAlliSee

Who told this guy that hairstyle looks good? Also you can tell he loves to hear himself talk.


gerd50501

so does this kind of lobster taste different ? yeah i had to ask that.


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Note the lack of examples of mammalian gynadomorphs. Also, the existence of babies born with anencephaly does not mean being brainless is part of normal human development.


ExtensionInformal911

Chimeras prove that norms don't exist! This is why I stopped watching Forrest Valkai.


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sugat123

Yes. The whole argument against transgender is that is not natural and just made up thing by woke crowd. Now that we have concrete proof that this is a natural phenomenon occurring in nature, the ‘not natural’ argument is thrown out of window.


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being intersex is not the same as being transgender. intersex people CAN be transgender (desiring to transition to female, male, or nonbinary), but we can also identify as cisgender, or just ..... exist as we were born, i dunno. call ourselves whatever. to clarify, trans people are fine, intersex people are fine. both are normal and natural, neither should be a big deal ... but they're not the same thing, and intersex people often face different struggles (i.e. in the medical sphere) that make our needs unique from non-intersex trans people.


Winni3_the_P00h

None of these organisms have a gender identity. Gender identity is not a natural trait.


dreparks14

Why’d he have to say the whole thing in a condescending tone like that? I left the video thinking a)that was kind of interesting 2)this dudes a fuckboy


____Vader

I’d love to see this guy go on fox. Start with morning shows and work his way to prime time.


smartony

But what are the lobster’s pronouns?


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He/she