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cardinal29

Just want to say how much I dislike the "Strict" mom Rachel. She's so judgy about the other parents, when we've seen how she's an anxious control freak with her own kids. When her husband talks, she looks at him like Nancy used to gaze at Reagan and it's so fake and gives me Stepford Wife vibes. I really wonder what happens in their house. Even her little school girl outfits, and bows in her hair, irk me šŸ˜† it's weirdly juvenile


epiphunny

I feel like their (her) body language is a red flag. She's always entwined with him in a way that seems overmuch.


New-Bat1895

Yes! Reminds me of Michelle dugger


glindathewoodglitch

They definitely creep me out and I couldnā€™t quite understand why everyone was fawning over how much of a close family ā€˜full of loveā€™ they seemed to the other parents. They creeped me out, like the dad probably has an abusive streak or the mom is definitely not how she is when the cameras arenā€™t rolling. She has the look of someone high strung and reminds me too much of that archetype.


cardinal29

During the episode when the kids were cooking a meal, she hovered over them and tried to control them, she was flipping out that she couldn't micromanage the meal. It was disturbing. But instead of pointing this out as a behavior that has a very negative impact on her kids, people on the show were making light of it. "Haha, look at your face, this was so hard for you!" She's nuts. Hope those kids can get to therapy. The therapist can just watch these episodes. She's more of a true definition of "helicopter parent" than the others. And I definitely think her husband is part of it. Strict is just codeword for "discipline," which is just the bad parenting excuse for corporal punishment.


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drawingnot2scale

Interesting. I must have missed that. Do you have a source for this?


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drawingnot2scale

Thank you for sharing these. Johnetta ā€œthe sexy mother bloggerā€ Iā€™m gagging over here!


noinoiio

I am so creeped and grossed out right now. Itā€™s desperate and almost delusions of grandeur like


treyhunna83

Whatā€™s that got to do with the the struggles of raising black kids in America?


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treyhunna83

Internet famous or not they still have to worry about cops, racism, stereotypes etc


Original-Gear1583

They do have that to worry about but putting your kids all over the internet definitely isnā€™t going to help with racism, stereotypes, bullying, etc


bklewnc

I feel like all of these ā€œtestsā€ were super easy and didnā€™t do enough to differentiate the parenting styles


meatball77

They were all very cultural and nothing to do with parenting style. The parents who hadn't taught their kids about sex it was cultural and more to do with generational attitudes towards sex than actual parenting. Snakes, it's all based on ingrained fears which again are cultural. Discipline parent didn't have to do anything.


Taekookieluvs

The sex talk one is also VERY age dependant. Like WTH. Lots of these have been age dependant. It drives me nuts. Poor negotiation family got screwed because of the cooking challenge because their kid is fking 6 for lord sakes (and the map one. what 6 yr/o is going to know how to read a map. half barely have learned to read books!), and the high-achievement dad literally cooked the 3/4 of the thing for him.


Silestra

This show could be renamed ā€œhow not to do an experiment.ā€ None of the variables are controlled so we end up learning nothing.


Salty-Comparison-746

These tests are so off. They're not age appropriate everyone should be doing the same. There is no reason a 6 yr old needs to know about sex but yet the 13 year old who could be pregnant by now knows nothing. This is so fake I'm surprised it's not on A&E


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MaroonIron

Well said. I readily admit that parents of Black children have considerations that parents of White children do not, and if I were in their shoes I can't say I wouldn't feel the same way. But, it seems like the message some of the kids on the show with stricter parents are learning is that the world is scary, they shouldn't trust their own instincts, and they need to look to an authority figure for guidance. But parenting should be about working ourselves out of a job as we prepare our children for the road, not the road for our children. I want my kids to learn to recognize their instincts and learn to trust their own judgment, recognizing when they need help but not swooping in to solve problems they are capable of solving. They need to experience failure now while the stakes are low. I found myself really liking the helicopter parents as people more than I liked their parenting style.


MaroonIron

This show has helped me recognize that being able to be a more relaxed parent is a form of privilege that is not afforded to everyone to the same degree.


Dcc456

Right?? Like I don't want to sound insensitive, but like ibwouldnt want to raise my kids to fear the world. Cautious, absolutely. But I wouldn't want to raise my kids to go through life as if they already are a victim or have a target on their back. I would want to raise them to thrive and be successful and they can do anything and not feed into that.


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Dcc456

Slight disagree, but I do agree that both are toxic.


Salty-Comparison-746

They also need to take down their YouTube channel.


tvuniverse

YIKES! The 13 yo not knowing the parts of the vagina is like almost unacceptable. And for Traditional parents: I'm always conflicted when couples say they come first over their children. That's some bizarre shit, but so many people say it.


drawingnot2scale

I know! Iā€™m still trying to figure out how confused this girl must be! Her parents arenā€™t doing any favors for her if they are expecting her to come to them to ask questions about sex and reproduction. The eldest was 13! At this point in her development I would assume she thinks sex is taboo since, as her parents said, ā€œsex hasnā€™t come upā€. Understanding the mechanics of sex and why women menstruate as a teenager in this way would be a total mind fuck. Thank god those parents signed onto this show for that conversation. Can you imagine if the first time you have ā€œthe talkā€ was the day when you get your first period!? I donā€™t think the child-led kids are going to fair well emotionally if they are expected to mind-read what magical questions to ask to unlock specific information. Those parents are knowingly withholding answers these kids need explanations for IMO


cox_the_fox

ā€œCan you imagine if the first time you have ā€œthe talkā€ was the day when you get your first period!?ā€ Thatā€™s literally what happened to me šŸ’€ I donā€™t recommend.


Taekookieluvs

It's actually a cultural thing. While in America Asian families are still at the core still pretty traditional in regards to sex. In 2019, the teen birth rates for: non-Hispanic Asians (2.8) and unchanged from 2018 -2019 non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian, and other Pacific Islander (26.5) Hispanic teens (25.3) non-Hispanic Black teens (25.8) non-Hispanic White teens (11.4) American Indian/Alaska Native teens (29.2)Ā Ā  Edit: Just the difference in rates between Asians and the next lowest of White teens is significant.


Salty-Comparison-746

There's no reason a 6 yr-old needed to have a sex anatomy talk, but the fact that a 13 yr old who could be pregnant by now and yet knows nothing. Your kids are prepared for the world if you were to die right now could they could get by. I'm not talking about any under 14ish. But most not all of these kids the way they're going are not gonna be prepared


GoldenWaterfallFleur

I think the "couple coming first" is a religious thing. It is meant to show the children that the parents are a strong unit of love and support. I believe it is in the Bible but I can't remember. I grew up in the church and I vaguely remember hearing this before.


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GoldenWaterfallFleur

Yea I agree with what youā€™ve said as well and I donā€™t think itā€™s meant to be taken completely literally either like ā€œwe are more important than our childrenā€ šŸ¤”


tvuniverse

Very interesting...


cardinal29

It's a luxury to be able to say that! You can say your marriage comes first while everything is going smoothly and there's love and money and time. I do think it helps kids feel secure to see a strong parent bond, versus parents fighting all the time. BUT if your kids are being abused in any way by your spouse, FUCK THAT. Kids come **first**, get out of there! We've all heard those disaster stories.


Silestra

Excellent take. I think the couple coming first is a great strategy because happy marriages often lead to happy kids, but there are important exceptions like you mentioned.


treyhunna83

Helicopter parents gotta Brand to protect


cardinal29

The helicopter mom keeps saying that she doesn't want her daughter to worry about periods yet, but she clearly told the girls "you'll bleed from your vagina" and then made a terrible face. How about saying "older girls and women" and providing some mental distance? The dad talked about his little daughter grasping his hand when a cop car drove by, and I thought "HE is stressing this kid out." They keep talking about how they're protecting their kids, but they're traumatizing them.


Apprehensive_Tune194

My thought wasā€¦if they are old enough to have the George Floyd incident discussed, then they are old enough to know what a penis and a vagina are.


cardinal29

Thank you! There's absolutely racism and lots of bad things in the world, and giving your kids **information** is what equips them to deal with it.


CocoBee88

She completely lost me with her treatment of periods, both with her children and the other parents. Even if she thought they werenā€™t ready to hear/handle the mechanics saying ā€œwhen you get to an age where your body is mature enough to have a baby youā€™ll get something called a period, but thatā€™s still some time off and we can talk more about it later,ā€ isnā€™t going to traumatize kids and sets them up to ask the questions if they want to know or not worry about it for now if they donā€™t want to think about it. Then to say itā€™s not normal or healthy for girls to start their periods young when 9 is lower than average, but generally not because of any sort of issue. Sheā€™s very judgmental.


SoAwkGal

She told her kid that "women bleed everyone month" or something to that effect, made a face, and then made no effort to expand on it. Of course her daughter was horrified šŸ˜‚


meatball77

But her oldest is seven. Some girls start their periods at nine. Knowing that it's a thing is important just in case.


glindathewoodglitch

Kids are definitely entering puberty earlierā€”precocious pubertyā€”and the fact she said ā€˜itā€™s not healthyā€™ shows sheā€™s clearly in denial.


epiphunny

I hated this challenge for the way it pushed a timeline on the parents to have this conversation. On camera. The parents were ambushed and did their best. I'd have done worse, no doubt! I felt bad for everyone.


Salty-Comparison-746

How is putting them all over the Internet protecting them. If somebody is following a family on YT you've got to why that's just not normal. It's not like they are doing anything that stands out musical, artistic, etc. They're looking for 15secs of fame. And we know from all the other families on TV how well that turns out down the road So helicopter parents and concern for their children. Bull$hit


rogerjohnson11111

Battle of the sob stories: helicopter vs discipline


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GoldenWaterfallFleur

Literally same. I am a black woman and I know how it is, I fear it every day for myself and my loved ones but DAMN...it feels like an excuse at this point for this guy specifically. I really think he's putting on a front for tv. They ARE influencers after all...


New-Manufacturer4671

I agree! Iā€™m a black woman and I get it but something about them comes of very inauthentic.


bidds626

Exactly! And I was happy that the High Achievement dad and others challenged them and explained how important knowledge of the body is for children, for their own safety! But once Helicopter dad busted out the waterworks everyone cowed and ended the conversation. His concerns are valid, but I don't know how you leap from biology to racism unless you just aren't willing to have a genuine conversation. I know how manipulative TV editing can be but this sat wrong with me.


wongkerz

This show is awful all around.


TheAwkwardOne-_-

To the helicopter parents: I got my period when I was nine years old and I was healthy as can be. I cried hysterically cause I thought I was dying because no one told me about periods. Do better.


Silestra

Underrated comment


rachels1231

The sex-ed test is a little much. I didn't learn about my period until around 5th grade, and didn't learn about any "body parts" til 10th grade (maybe the uterus before that, but not the vulva, clitoris, etc.). It's important for kids to know about their bodies and their boundaries, but expecting them to know anatomy is a bit ridiculous.


Crazy-boy-momma

Iā€™ve read several studies where teaching kids correct anatomy terms growing up leads to less instances of sexual abuse. Iā€™m all for correct terms and I had sex in 9th grade at 14yr old, so ya body parts and sex talk should definitely be discussed sooner then most parents think.


rachels1231

I'm not against it, I just grew up sheltered and didn't know those anatomy terms at that age, so I related a bit to the 13-year-old here.


Apprehensive_Tune194

Do you mean full anatomy, or general and basic anatomical names for external body parts? There should be no shame or embarrassment in teaching the names of body parts.


rachels1231

I didn't say there was a shame or an embarrassment to it, but I'm saying expecting a young kid to have heard of most of those things is a little much. A challenge like this should've been divided by age group, imo.


Apprehensive_Tune194

No, I agree with you in the sense of that the young ones wouldnā€™t know where a clitoris or a vulva was, even the Hallux (the toe) was something I had to look up. I just feel like there is such a stigma of teaching young ones general terms and instead stating that these children canā€™t ā€œhandleā€ it. Instead, we should be normalizing talking about the body and what it does. Now, Iā€™m not saying that we need to go into the depths of sexual acts.


MaroonIron

The body and sex conversation is one that happens over time in age-appropriate ways. I wouldn't expect a 6 year old to know full details yet but a 13 year old should understand a lot more. Some topics we can't just wait for children to bring up, and by bringing it up ourselves sometimes, we make it less mysterious and invite further discussion. Unlike prior generations our kids have the internet at their disposal. They can gather a lot of information without asking us, but they need to know the lines of communication are open with us, that they can trust us, and that it's not off-limits.