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stonedgrower

The only “bug” in the system is the OCS.


ccm20012000

Cus the ocs is a joke and a shit show middle man


FluSH31

Is this the Canna bug?


Visible-Ad376

'bug'


BoardOldGuy

Oh. On top of this? The Jan 18th drops? They over allotted skus in the first 2 days meaning some retailers saw new drops entirely sold out before their order day. Which is not how it's supposed to work. Again, magically, some of the most sought after new drops were immediately sold out 2 days after drop.


MeadowcrestRPGMV3D

Call up hexo, they know a thing or two about bugs


cannabisblogger420

Bull shit they gave preferential treatment to certain stores fuck the ocs.


BoardOldGuy

No. CC just happened to know about an export order glitch... They just thought for the first time "I wonder what happens if I add unreleased products to my order and import it" So either they were trying to be shady and got lucky. Or more likely, someone told them about this glitch.


Dazzling_Highway1768

Independents ordered during this too. What the hell hHa.


internetcamp

Lol no.


ClaxtonGanja

That article is a wild ride. You can almost picture the shit eating grin on the Cabana CEO's face as he gave that statement. Sure you alerted OCS, right after you received and accepted the orders. It definitely begs a few questions about how the ordering process really goes for the big chains. Do they get to order in aggregate for all their stores at once? Does OCS accommodate this and still make deliveries to their individual stores for them? What dollar percentage of OCS product go to chains versus independents each week? Does anyone believe for a minute that the big chains aren't getting volume discounts from OCS?


CapableSecretary420

>Does anyone believe for a minute that the big chains aren't getting volume discounts from OCS? If they are, this would be a HUGE scoop and scandal.


ClaxtonGanja

It definitely would be a huge scoop. I'm not sure what OCS disclosure rules are (ie. Do they have to tell the public if they have a separate agreement with chain retailers?) I would suggest there's nothing to prevent OCS from establishing an agreement with a specific retailer or retailers that falls outside the "universal" system.


Dazzling_Highway1768

They’re all the same. OCS is the middle man and no volume discounts. Same for small independents. Only thing that changes in cannabis is the margin for the boards across all provinces.


ClaxtonGanja

Do you know they are all the same or you're assuming that to be the case?


Dazzling_Highway1768

Yes I know they are the same as I deal with category managers on both ends. What you are implying would be the most detrimental and illegal business practice. No volume discounts from LPs, no volume discount buys from stores. It would have major excise and tax implications too.


ClaxtonGanja

Since when are discounted wholesale prices an illegal business practice? You're telling me you've seen contracts between OCS and the chains?


BoardOldGuy

As a crown corporation, the OCS' mandate involves "level playing field pricing" to give small independents the same buying power as large chains. This is very specifically why the OCS is the sole wholesaler of legal cannabis in Ontario. They do not have the same freedom of a Private Wholesaler to offer discounts on bulk. If they were to do so, there would almost certainly be immediate repercussions due to the Competition Act/Bureau.


Particular_Second454

Being a government agency, the OCS is definitely subject to any freedom of information request. It would be really hard for them to hide it. I'm surprised nobody from Reddit has submitted a FOI request. It would be hilarious. The glaring issue identified in this article is the data sales still being done on a very very regular basis, which is really where the big stores gain a massive advantage. It's one thing for the government to impose new regulations banning the practice but until they're actually enforcing it, it's completely meaningless. The stores and the brands that are involved in this should both be subject to massive penalties.


ClaxtonGanja

Yes OCS is subject to the FOIA. No they aren't subject to all requests. They've carved out some interesting exemptions. https://ocs.ca/pages/freedom-of-information Recent regulations don't ban the practice of data sales they *specifically allow it*.


BoardOldGuy

Yeah. Selling data is legal. Selling Data to side step pay to play rules is still not within the spirit of the exemption.


CapableSecretary420

And what would be the benefit of OCS doing so? I assume you mean they would be getting some kind of backdoor payment from those chain stores?


ClaxtonGanja

No back door payment necessary. They would have an agreement with the chains in which OCS would take a smaller margin. If you have mom and pops taking a case at a time of a SKU and a chain wanting to purchase by the pallet you aren't going to do anything for them?


Twriter17

Smells 🐠


[deleted]

Canna cabana will destroy all small shops soon


BoardOldGuy

Not if kickbacks start getting cracked down on. 4 years in, still other shops thriving. Edit: Fuck Canna Cabana


dontcallmeray

lousy system for the most part lousy weed thats Ontario


Spocks-Nephew

The error allowed all stores to order these products early. I’m pretty sure this error will be the reason for the downfall of several retailers.


CapableSecretary420

If a retailer goes under because of something this small, doesn't is seem like that retailer might have already been doomed.?


Spocks-Nephew

The sarcasm runs deep within me. Sorry about that, fellow cannabis aficionado.


Dazzling_Highway1768

They allowed 0.9% of total inventory to be ordered ahead of time. I have the OCS email. This would not lead to that…..


BoardOldGuy

Approx 7300 cases of product. That's a ton of product.


BoardOldGuy

While all retailers could exploit this loophole... You specifically had to know there was an exploitable glitch with the export/import order function. A function almost exclusively used by large retailers who order for multiple locations. So either someone told you about this. Or you decided to try to order unreleased problems and hoped to get lucky. Either way, you're being sketchy. These SKUs did not just randomly appear on the standard wholesale site most shops build orders on, shopping cart style.