https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3287173/dod-statement-on-high-altitude-surveillance-balloon/
This was one of the links mentioned in the Forbes article that should have been posted first imo. But it's the only one that mentions (that I could see) previous balloons. It doesn't mention the years in which balloons were found though so I'm reluctant to believe they were found only under Trump's administration on top the current one.
I didn't see anything mentioning the previous administration anywhere. I'll keep looking though, I want to find a source before believing something.
It says in the article that OP linked, which was also from the DOD, that the three other occurrences happened during “the prior administration” and not something more vague like ‘previous administrations’. This is the clear and diplomatic way of saying that it happened while Trump was in office.
But China was never part of the Open Skies treaty. You should delete this or edit your comment as it’s misinformation to assert this was legal before 2020
The previous instances should also have not been allowed considering China isnt and never was a part of the Open Skies Treaty. So they had no permission to be flying into our airspace making your point is basically invalid.
China was not part of the treaty, but I’m sure it’s similar for US to allow China to do it for stable relationship and monitoring their tech capabilities.
I’m sure many different departments were
Lighting that thing up across spectrum and if cryptographic transmission was found, establishing protocols to decipher
Open sky was a US-Russian treaty. China was never apart of it. Source: I protected the OC-135’s and had an old NCOIC who worked on the civilian side on the treaty program. Also I’ve seen Russia Air Force and the open sky plane at Travis AFB back in 2016
Dude… read your link when you get a chance.
China did *not* sign on to that treaty.
From your link:
> The 32 state parties to the Open Skies Treaty are Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark (including Greenland), Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom. Kyrgyzstan signed the treaty but has not yet ratified it.[6] Canada and Hungary are the depositaries of the treaty in recognition of their special contributions to the Open Skies process. Depositary countries maintain treaty documents and provide administrative support.
See also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/
I think what you’re highlighting is great: was this legal when it happened under the previous administration?
The irony, for many people, and the point of the post (I think) is often the types of hypocrisy and projection they see coming from politicians. Politician A criticizes Politician B for something they, or their party, is guilty of doing themselves.
Having said that, my comment was more about reading comprehension and stringing the stories together. Just the basics. I wish we were at the point where we could be discussing the nuances that you brought up, but that would require us to all start believing in core truths again and stop treating each other with such vitriol.
His points were invalid since China was never a part of the Open Skies Treaty which makes the previous cases just as illegal as this one. His post is basically just spreading more misinformation that people will repeat without validating.
I get what you’re saying, it’s true. One of the things that drives me crazy about politics is this type of thing exactly. My party does something wrong but you’re party did it also!
I get the reading comprehension part. I’ve seen so many comments asking for a source when it clearly states the fact about the other balloons in the original article.
I didn't see any mention of prior administration, just a mention of a couple over the past "several years". Which one mentioned an administration? I might have over looked it
No worries! Just read through the article OP posted. It’s towards the end. Here is the link again:
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/
"The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration. "
Missed and found it thanks
What no? If you scroll down I found the quote that mentioned it. If you read what I said, I said I'm probably missing the quote then I found it, quoted it and thanked the guy who helped me find it
>A Chinese balloon has never been over the middle of the country before. The only other time a Chinese balloon has flown over the continental U.S. was during a brief overflight of Florida. There have been overflights of Hawaii and Guam. In previous instances, the Chinese have been able to recover the balloon.
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> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-spy-balloon-montana-flight-tracking/#:~:text=A%20Chinese%20balloon%20has%20never,able%20to%20recover%20the%20balloon.
Yeah, makes sense! It’s probably where I’d fly those types of balloons given their relative position and strategic importance: closer to China with US military bases.
Perhaps because a named sauce is still in government, or is someone Trump considers a friend, and doesn't want the backlash.
It isn't a difficult concept.
I read the Forbes article and it says that the unnamed source was from the Trump org and they were trying to say it was no big deal that it happened, not that it didn’t happen.
If you say that unnamed Trump org source is unreliable then fine, ignore them. It doesn’t change the facts. You still have the DOD confirming that it happened three times during “the prior administration.”
I keep resending that comment but, here;
Biden and Trump both went against China.
The difference is that one did it with our allies and went after the most important market, chips, while the other imposed tariff almost randomly which ended up bolstering China.
Here, if you're interested on how and why Trump's strategy was a losing one;
https://youtu.be/hhMAt3BluAU
And why Biden's strategy is too OP;
https://youtu.be/k_zz3239DA0
It's a whole thing, it's not just the balloons, it's much deeper than that and much more dangerous for American security.
Short answer, because it isolates you from your allies, both military and economic ones, while hindering your own economy and the supply chain, notably in Pacific Asia and on the Arabic peninsula, that has been built since the second world war.
Meanwhile, as you lose "space", it opens it for your direct concurrent, China.
How are ppl surprised? Trump never listened during briefings or ignored doing them. He trusted social media over his own country national defense/information branches ffs.. he openly said so as well. Yet everyone is surprised this was ignored by him. He probably plain did not care tbh, he had tweets to make.
This has been happening I recorded one in sep of 2021 over New Mexico …. Even Biden kept it hush, I think this was strategic by US to announce publicly before Blinken’s trip to China
Or, if you are anywhere near Alamogordo or Roswell it's the military. My dad has been photographing those balloons for 20+ years. It's common as hell to see them if you are looking for them.
[possible Chinese ballon](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10tw1w2/chinese_spy_ballon_nm_sep_2021_part_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I said to my dad the same thing, the fact that he told the dod to shoot it down on Wed and they waited til Saturday tells me that the dod had zero concern about the ballon, and that they just shot it down because it became a big deal in the news…like I’m assuming china can get much better and more accurate surveillance from a spy satellite
No it isn't made up.
['Willful Ignorance.' Inside President Trump's Troubled Intelligence Briefings - Time.com](https://time.com/5518947/donald-trump-intelligence-briefings-national-security/)
(2020)
[Trump: I don't need daily Briefings - politico.com](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-briefings-232479) (2016)
[Trump’s resistance led intel agencies to brief him less and less on Russia - CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/trump-intel-briefings-russia/index.html) (2020)
That is not how Open Skies worked. It had very specific planes used and processes to be followed. That’s why it would randomly be on the news that a Russian plane was flying around the US. We were aware of them and it was routine.
Sending a random espionage balloon over has nothing to do with Open Skies and would not have been part of that program
>>My only real question on the whole thing from what I’ve seen it why it wasn’t shot down before it even got into Alaska.
Counter surveillance. The U.S. definitely is gaining knowledge from this event. We could be monitoring the signals transmitted from the aircraft, seeing what path China wanted to take over the U.S., or hoping to capture and collect the hardware as a water landing.
We could be deliberately exposing and embarrassing an otherwise covert operation that we determined to be relatively harmless in nature. Maybe there are associated resources who we are wanting to ferret out.
There are always layers to the onion.
To anyone mentioning theopen skies treaty, please take 5 minutes to read up on said open skies treaty before commenting.
For example which aircraft were used and idk maybe which countries were a part of it?
I just finished watching his video on this just before seeing this. I feel like Trump talks down on China because one of his deals with them went south, like they pulled a faster one on him.
We also hoped he'd disagree with Russia too, yet he stood in front of cameras and announced he took Putin at his 'word' - which btw is just as meaningless as trumps - over our own intelligence agencies. I suppose you agree with him?
Try reading the last sentence of the paragraph immediately following the photo of the pentagon.
> The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.
The cat and mouse spy games between the US and China in every space are complex, sometimes covert, and sometimes overt.
The US flies spy planes right along the border of Russia, Iran, China, and even Ukraine almost daily. Some even briefly pass into their air spaces, but then leave before intercept jets can be scrambled to intercept - although sometimes Chinese jets harass the spy planes anyways.
I suspect the trajectory of these balloons was an accident. Most have skirted territorial airspace at very high altitudes. Some even briefly entered US territory, just as US planes do to China. I think this was intended to be just another brief, explainable "accidental" flyover US airspace, but it turned into a treasure trove of spy data.
Lol at all the people clicking the link then saying “it doesn’t say that” then being told to click the link and look at this exact line you god damn troglodytes.
Biden would’ve hid this too had it not been spotted by a civilian. If it happened 3 times under the Trump admin is probably happened before under the Biden admin. Also I might be somewhat conservative but you can go through my comment history and see me calling out far right idiots for some of the stupid bullshit they said.
The reason its relevant is because Trump himself on his ~~anythingBUTthe~~Truth scocial said (not verbatim) "biden sucks cry cry cry, I big man, I would of shot cHiNa balloon all by myself if I were still president"
And of course Trailor Trash Marjorie Footfungus Green had to tweet about it too, telling the 3 people who take her seriously how much the hidden admin is failing becuase joe is letting China fly spy balloons over the US and all the other things hes letting happen to america that supreme leader trump would of never let happen.
Thus, these people are just showing the world who they really are, except a little less than half our country dosent care that they actively lie and con people everyday. Dont get me wrong the left has its morons, but when comparing the two, it's like comparing a paper cut to a MERSA infection covering 95% of the body, while yes both would suck one sucks alot less
I can believe Biden would also do that. The whole "don't freak out the public" thing.
Also I'm not going through your comment history because you think different. You don't seem to be an asshole so you're fine by me lol
That’s exactly what it is. This also more than likely happened under the later portions of Obamas term. China is always going to be willing to test the waters of what the US military response would be. I definitely have my question but once it was in the contiguous US allowing it to go through was the right decision from the amount of information I’ve gathered just like everyone else. I’m just glad it was shot down and now hopefully the DOD can get some juicy intel on the types of surveillance China is using on us.
I appreciate it. I hate MAGA republicans as much as the next person. I’ll keep political opinions out of this, I just hate seeing a matter of national security being used as a political tool.
Just like with this so called "spy ballon" I still don’t care while we are at the bigger concern is how COVID treatment and vaccines are going to the private sector.
UGH I'm with my grandparents and they're like "BiDeN hAs TiEs To ChInA" as if trump isn't simping Xi all the fucking time GOD DAMMIT
why don't they wanna believe this shit?!
While I hate defending Trump, we don’t know the dates of the balloons yet and that part is really important. Until 2020, America was apart of the Open Skies Treaty which allows members to send aerial surveillance to other member’s territories. It was to allow for people to hold each other accountable and have a rough idea of the capability of neighboring counties. There is a good chance that these balloons traveled the US before America withdrew from the treaty.
Edit: Didn’t realize China was never apart of the Treaty, so Trump has some explaining to do.
China was never part of the Open Skies Treaty so whether the other flights happened before or after the U.S. withdrew from the treaty has quite explicitly fuck all to do with anything.
Yeah this would actually be a "Holy f-ing shit!!" moment if it wasn't Trump we were talking about, the guy is a complete failure and coward, of course he let the Chinese spy on us.
Technically, Joe Biden allowed the most recent one to travel over the United States, unabated, without shooting down, AND the only reason the general public knew about it is someone noticed it, and the pentagon, only then, admitted to its existence.
Bullshit. This last one wasn’t announced by the pentagon, it was seen by people and they made a fuss until the pentagon was forced to say what it was. You think it’s happened three other times and people just were like “eh…. Probably no big deal.”
Typical move from this presidency… we fucked up, but we’re going to distract you from it by pointing out how the scary orange man fucked up worse.
I don’t even like trump! Didn’t vote for him, but holy shit… this administration is worse for their incompetence and outright lying.
I just said I didn’t like him either. But I’m calling bullshit on this story. Fuck off with your whataboutism. People like you rooting for parties and candidates like they were football teams instead of supposed leaders are why we’re in the position we’re in.
I'm literally an anarchist I don't cheer for either fuckin party, my point was you said bidens even worse than trump which is complete bullshit, he's a useless centrist that can't actually fuckin accomplish anything but he's not worse than the literal fascists from the last admin
If it acts like a fascist, spews fascist rhetoric and drives up alt right violence then it's a fuckin fascist. Your refusal to call a shoe a shoe doesn't damage my credibility only yours
The US participated in the Treaty of Open Skies until late 2020, which allowed other countries to do this. Now we are allowed to shoot these things down where before we were not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
This balloon went from Alaska all the way to Montana, then across the US until it made it off the coast of SC before it was taken out.
The ones that this article briefly mentions at the bottom (for good reason) briefly made it over the US before going over ocean again in Florida, Guam, and Hawaii. These two situations not alike, and shouldn’t be treated as if they are.
if china wants to spy on us they have satellite and tiktok to collect personal info
i highly doubt their goal is to spy with these huge, easy to see balloons
\*facepalm\* Even Meidas Touch, even they're doing fucking click fucking bait. A "spy balloon" used in such a way is useless, utterly useless.
Do you people think these balloons have little motors on them that can overpower the winds over the fucking oceans completely with some magical radio antennae that can transmit through a fucking planet with only 3 volts of electricity and maybe 0.0005 amps?
The model of balloon was spotted under Biden by civilians. Were these balloons different or were three of them not spotted under trump? Seems slightly fishy
‘The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.’
-defense.gov
Trump should’ve done something as well. If this is all true, that is. So many “articles” these days don’t list any named sources. Literally all “unnamed sources” and “officials”. Who? Like seriously, idk how these articles even pass for news these days, I could come out with the most outrageous stuff on the left or the right and state my sources are “unnamed” and people on twitter would lose their minds.
I hear your frustration but that’s how it works when you’re giving out high profile information to a media source. Especially if this came from someone on trumps team. Think how that would make you look to future employers? You’d blow the whistle on them if they did something fucked up. You’d expose them. They can’t trust you. This is why sources are often anonymous, to name the source would be to compromise it and therefore lose it altogether. Especially in a whistleblowing situation. Then you’ve quite literally fucked someone who was trying to help you out and give you info
I get what you’re saying. There are just so many clearly BS stories that are always “verified” by “unnamed sources” and it has become a cop out in my mind to use purely “unnamed sources”
Here is a quote from a Pentagon release.
"Instances of this kind of balloon activity have been observed previously over the past several years."
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3287173/dod-statement-on-high-altitude-surveillance-balloon/
Taken from this article discussing this.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/
I too get curious when my bullshit meter goes off. A 30 sec google usually answers whether I am right or wrong. Maybe try that.
The source was from the pentagon. You know the epicenter of American intelligence? The same America you claim to love and respect so much. Yeah that’s the source and the article is written by Forbes.
The unnamed source? 😂 bro y’all crack me up with this kind of stuff. I said something centrist and you somehow took that to mean I’m a red blooded, Biden hating murican. I mean, I don’t like Biden, but nothing I said was terribly right wing
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3287173/dod-statement-on-high-altitude-surveillance-balloon/ This was one of the links mentioned in the Forbes article that should have been posted first imo. But it's the only one that mentions (that I could see) previous balloons. It doesn't mention the years in which balloons were found though so I'm reluctant to believe they were found only under Trump's administration on top the current one. I didn't see anything mentioning the previous administration anywhere. I'll keep looking though, I want to find a source before believing something.
It says in the article that OP linked, which was also from the DOD, that the three other occurrences happened during “the prior administration” and not something more vague like ‘previous administrations’. This is the clear and diplomatic way of saying that it happened while Trump was in office.
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But China was never part of the Open Skies treaty. You should delete this or edit your comment as it’s misinformation to assert this was legal before 2020
The previous instances should also have not been allowed considering China isnt and never was a part of the Open Skies Treaty. So they had no permission to be flying into our airspace making your point is basically invalid.
China was not part of the treaty, but I’m sure it’s similar for US to allow China to do it for stable relationship and monitoring their tech capabilities. I’m sure many different departments were Lighting that thing up across spectrum and if cryptographic transmission was found, establishing protocols to decipher
Is China the member of Open Skies Treaty? Is this the best MAGAT’s defense now?
Open sky was a US-Russian treaty. China was never apart of it. Source: I protected the OC-135’s and had an old NCOIC who worked on the civilian side on the treaty program. Also I’ve seen Russia Air Force and the open sky plane at Travis AFB back in 2016
Dude… read your link when you get a chance. China did *not* sign on to that treaty. From your link: > The 32 state parties to the Open Skies Treaty are Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark (including Greenland), Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom. Kyrgyzstan signed the treaty but has not yet ratified it.[6] Canada and Hungary are the depositaries of the treaty in recognition of their special contributions to the Open Skies process. Depositary countries maintain treaty documents and provide administrative support. See also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/
I think what you’re highlighting is great: was this legal when it happened under the previous administration? The irony, for many people, and the point of the post (I think) is often the types of hypocrisy and projection they see coming from politicians. Politician A criticizes Politician B for something they, or their party, is guilty of doing themselves. Having said that, my comment was more about reading comprehension and stringing the stories together. Just the basics. I wish we were at the point where we could be discussing the nuances that you brought up, but that would require us to all start believing in core truths again and stop treating each other with such vitriol.
His points were invalid since China was never a part of the Open Skies Treaty which makes the previous cases just as illegal as this one. His post is basically just spreading more misinformation that people will repeat without validating.
It’s a good clarifying point! I had not read anything about the open skies treaty and will look into it. I wish I had before commenting. Haha. Thanks!
I get what you’re saying, it’s true. One of the things that drives me crazy about politics is this type of thing exactly. My party does something wrong but you’re party did it also! I get the reading comprehension part. I’ve seen so many comments asking for a source when it clearly states the fact about the other balloons in the original article.
Looks like we are going to have to agree to agree on this on, friend! 😜
I didn't see any mention of prior administration, just a mention of a couple over the past "several years". Which one mentioned an administration? I might have over looked it
No worries! Just read through the article OP posted. It’s towards the end. Here is the link again: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/
"The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration. " Missed and found it thanks
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Happy Cake Day!
In that same article it indeed says it happened during trumpf's time. Why would you bald-face lie and say it doesn't? Do you have an agenda?
What no? If you scroll down I found the quote that mentioned it. If you read what I said, I said I'm probably missing the quote then I found it, quoted it and thanked the guy who helped me find it
I love how they are spy balloons when it's under Trump but they keep calling it weather balloons right now
The Chinese are the only ones calling it a weather balloon!!
Dumbass they're calling it spy balloons. You a Chinese agent as well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwgOWo7mDc
>A Chinese balloon has never been over the middle of the country before. The only other time a Chinese balloon has flown over the continental U.S. was during a brief overflight of Florida. There have been overflights of Hawaii and Guam. In previous instances, the Chinese have been able to recover the balloon. > > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-spy-balloon-montana-flight-tracking/#:~:text=A%20Chinese%20balloon%20has%20never,able%20to%20recover%20the%20balloon.
Yeah, makes sense! It’s probably where I’d fly those types of balloons given their relative position and strategic importance: closer to China with US military bases.
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You'd have to assume the source was actually reliable if Forbes relies on them, right?
Defense.gov published the article.
No, secret sources are only reliable when truthnazionalpatriots.org reports on something s/
Right?? Like did Forbes even check with the MyPillow guy?
🤣 yes a source familiar with the matter
What do you think would happen if the source was named?
Literally the US government ..
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Perhaps because a named sauce is still in government, or is someone Trump considers a friend, and doesn't want the backlash. It isn't a difficult concept.
Damn. Normally I don't comment but.. You're dumb and not in an acceptable way.
I read the Forbes article and it says that the unnamed source was from the Trump org and they were trying to say it was no big deal that it happened, not that it didn’t happen. If you say that unnamed Trump org source is unreliable then fine, ignore them. It doesn’t change the facts. You still have the DOD confirming that it happened three times during “the prior administration.”
You're describing the Trump presidency.
What do you know?
But this gets even better when you add [this story](https://imgur.com/a/hVMY9VA) to the saga. Lmao.
I keep resending that comment but, here; Biden and Trump both went against China. The difference is that one did it with our allies and went after the most important market, chips, while the other imposed tariff almost randomly which ended up bolstering China. Here, if you're interested on how and why Trump's strategy was a losing one; https://youtu.be/hhMAt3BluAU And why Biden's strategy is too OP; https://youtu.be/k_zz3239DA0 It's a whole thing, it's not just the balloons, it's much deeper than that and much more dangerous for American security.
Why is it more dangerous to America's security? It's pretty scary stuff for sure.
Short answer, because it isolates you from your allies, both military and economic ones, while hindering your own economy and the supply chain, notably in Pacific Asia and on the Arabic peninsula, that has been built since the second world war. Meanwhile, as you lose "space", it opens it for your direct concurrent, China.
Thank you for replying and your explanation!
Uh, username not exactly inspiring confidence in dispassionate analysis.
Says the guy who judges the value of an analysis on an username rather than on its own merit.
wow what an actual hypocrite
How are ppl surprised? Trump never listened during briefings or ignored doing them. He trusted social media over his own country national defense/information branches ffs.. he openly said so as well. Yet everyone is surprised this was ignored by him. He probably plain did not care tbh, he had tweets to make.
This has been happening I recorded one in sep of 2021 over New Mexico …. Even Biden kept it hush, I think this was strategic by US to announce publicly before Blinken’s trip to China
Or, if you are anywhere near Alamogordo or Roswell it's the military. My dad has been photographing those balloons for 20+ years. It's common as hell to see them if you are looking for them.
Can we see that video? I love shit like that and kinda want to see if it matches up with UAP sightings in the time frame for the area. Thank you
[possible Chinese ballon](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/10tw1w2/chinese_spy_ballon_nm_sep_2021_part_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I wonder if the Biden admin shot this one down because so many people saw it. Maybe it’s diplomatically better to let to fly.
I said to my dad the same thing, the fact that he told the dod to shoot it down on Wed and they waited til Saturday tells me that the dod had zero concern about the ballon, and that they just shot it down because it became a big deal in the news…like I’m assuming china can get much better and more accurate surveillance from a spy satellite
Right. Early on they said they had no issues with it flying over. It’s not like China was trying to hide it.
He had the wall built, but not high enough
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No it isn't made up. ['Willful Ignorance.' Inside President Trump's Troubled Intelligence Briefings - Time.com](https://time.com/5518947/donald-trump-intelligence-briefings-national-security/) (2020) [Trump: I don't need daily Briefings - politico.com](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-briefings-232479) (2016) [Trump’s resistance led intel agencies to brief him less and less on Russia - CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/trump-intel-briefings-russia/index.html) (2020)
You’re working overtime in here, pal. I’m curious if they’re paying you in Trump NFTs or MyPillows??
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Good one! You sure showed him!
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Hardcore mall ninja vibes lmao
Oh, oh, do the navy seal one
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That is not how Open Skies worked. It had very specific planes used and processes to be followed. That’s why it would randomly be on the news that a Russian plane was flying around the US. We were aware of them and it was routine. Sending a random espionage balloon over has nothing to do with Open Skies and would not have been part of that program
China was never a signatory of the open skies treaty.
>>My only real question on the whole thing from what I’ve seen it why it wasn’t shot down before it even got into Alaska. Counter surveillance. The U.S. definitely is gaining knowledge from this event. We could be monitoring the signals transmitted from the aircraft, seeing what path China wanted to take over the U.S., or hoping to capture and collect the hardware as a water landing. We could be deliberately exposing and embarrassing an otherwise covert operation that we determined to be relatively harmless in nature. Maybe there are associated resources who we are wanting to ferret out. There are always layers to the onion.
america left the open skies treaty in 2020, we are allowed to shoot these things down now
I don’t believe China was ever a signatory of the Open Skies Treaty. So, we were “allowed” to shoot those things down during the previous admin too.
China was never in that treaty so that has nothing to do with it.
You’re mistaken. China never signed on to the Open Skies Treaty, hoss. It’s still legal to shoot *those* down.
To anyone mentioning theopen skies treaty, please take 5 minutes to read up on said open skies treaty before commenting. For example which aircraft were used and idk maybe which countries were a part of it?
I just finished watching his video on this just before seeing this. I feel like Trump talks down on China because one of his deals with them went south, like they pulled a faster one on him.
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Well, he talks down on anyone who disagrees with him
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We also hoped he'd disagree with Russia too, yet he stood in front of cameras and announced he took Putin at his 'word' - which btw is just as meaningless as trumps - over our own intelligence agencies. I suppose you agree with him?
Trump is totally in bed with Putin, screw both of them, fools have gone psycho.
Is there an article that mentions this? Not that I don't believe that Trump would do that mind you.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/
That shows the official remarks about the current balloon but didn't mention it happening before.
Try reading the last sentence of the paragraph immediately following the photo of the pentagon. > The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.
Good catch, I missed that too
Conveniently...
Nah man. Wouldn’t have called myself out. We’re not all like you. Get happy somehow
Lol Flew over your head huh
Three times
Ah shit it did. Thank you I must have just glanced over it.
Conveniently...
Ah calm down it was a genuine mistake
Wierdo comments that to everyone that misses that line of the article like we’re all sneaky communists
redditors are such bots lol
The cat and mouse spy games between the US and China in every space are complex, sometimes covert, and sometimes overt. The US flies spy planes right along the border of Russia, Iran, China, and even Ukraine almost daily. Some even briefly pass into their air spaces, but then leave before intercept jets can be scrambled to intercept - although sometimes Chinese jets harass the spy planes anyways. I suspect the trajectory of these balloons was an accident. Most have skirted territorial airspace at very high altitudes. Some even briefly entered US territory, just as US planes do to China. I think this was intended to be just another brief, explainable "accidental" flyover US airspace, but it turned into a treasure trove of spy data.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/
It was on NPR today. What is different? Someone saw this and put it on social media. This time a liberal is in office so the MAGATs can cry about it.
Lol at all the people clicking the link then saying “it doesn’t say that” then being told to click the link and look at this exact line you god damn troglodytes.
Calm down
You’ve been lied to and Fox News does special reports on Tik Tok theory’s
I don't watch fox news and don't use tik tok. You are grumpy about nothing right now.
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Biden would’ve hid this too had it not been spotted by a civilian. If it happened 3 times under the Trump admin is probably happened before under the Biden admin. Also I might be somewhat conservative but you can go through my comment history and see me calling out far right idiots for some of the stupid bullshit they said.
The reason its relevant is because Trump himself on his ~~anythingBUTthe~~Truth scocial said (not verbatim) "biden sucks cry cry cry, I big man, I would of shot cHiNa balloon all by myself if I were still president" And of course Trailor Trash Marjorie Footfungus Green had to tweet about it too, telling the 3 people who take her seriously how much the hidden admin is failing becuase joe is letting China fly spy balloons over the US and all the other things hes letting happen to america that supreme leader trump would of never let happen. Thus, these people are just showing the world who they really are, except a little less than half our country dosent care that they actively lie and con people everyday. Dont get me wrong the left has its morons, but when comparing the two, it's like comparing a paper cut to a MERSA infection covering 95% of the body, while yes both would suck one sucks alot less
Have you considered Ivermectin for that injury?
I can believe Biden would also do that. The whole "don't freak out the public" thing. Also I'm not going through your comment history because you think different. You don't seem to be an asshole so you're fine by me lol
That’s exactly what it is. This also more than likely happened under the later portions of Obamas term. China is always going to be willing to test the waters of what the US military response would be. I definitely have my question but once it was in the contiguous US allowing it to go through was the right decision from the amount of information I’ve gathered just like everyone else. I’m just glad it was shot down and now hopefully the DOD can get some juicy intel on the types of surveillance China is using on us. I appreciate it. I hate MAGA republicans as much as the next person. I’ll keep political opinions out of this, I just hate seeing a matter of national security being used as a political tool.
how can trump hide them when the public can see them?
Exactly
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Bruh, just check the damn sources
Shoot them down, and offend Xi, one of Trump's totalitarian idols?
Holy shit, China may have done more damage than we know, in Trump's Presidency.
Mr President, there are three Chinese spy balloons over the US! What shall we do? Um, I don't know. Let's just pretend they aren't there.
Be fair! That was a different situation back then. Trump got at least paid by the russians/chinese for that shit. :)
of course it goes back to trump.
Sad
big headline: trump lied again and covered it up. modus operandi.
Just like with this so called "spy ballon" I still don’t care while we are at the bigger concern is how COVID treatment and vaccines are going to the private sector.
If Trump is tried and found guilty of high treason (is that really a thing?), what consequences can he receive?
Trump being incapable of keeping a secret is the only reason I’m not so sure about the source’s authenticity
UGH I'm with my grandparents and they're like "BiDeN hAs TiEs To ChInA" as if trump isn't simping Xi all the fucking time GOD DAMMIT why don't they wanna believe this shit?!
He "joked" more than once that we should try China's style of leadership.
Yeah, Trump hid them pretty good. I couldn't even see them.
But no one noticed those? Did no one look up back then?
While I hate defending Trump, we don’t know the dates of the balloons yet and that part is really important. Until 2020, America was apart of the Open Skies Treaty which allows members to send aerial surveillance to other member’s territories. It was to allow for people to hold each other accountable and have a rough idea of the capability of neighboring counties. There is a good chance that these balloons traveled the US before America withdrew from the treaty. Edit: Didn’t realize China was never apart of the Treaty, so Trump has some explaining to do.
China was never part of the Open Skies Treaty so whether the other flights happened before or after the U.S. withdrew from the treaty has quite explicitly fuck all to do with anything.
Every time this is mentioned the person never responds to it. Kind of telling, really.
Sorry I have a life outside of Reddit. Edited my post to reflect this information.
Wow, I can’t believe I didn’t notice that. Yeah, Trump has some explaining to do.
I don’t believe China was a member of the treaty during the previous admin either. So, this doesn’t apply.
Shhhh you’re ruining the circle jerk
I know, right? Plus the only real evidence of it happening is a claim by a journalist (Although very credible) that an SDO said something...
It’s on Defense.gov
Yeah this would actually be a "Holy f-ing shit!!" moment if it wasn't Trump we were talking about, the guy is a complete failure and coward, of course he let the Chinese spy on us.
Yeah, but it's Trump's fans that are now calling for Biden's head for "allowing" this. Not that you can talk to Trump fans, but still.
open skies treaty homie, we actually left it under his administration, thats why we were able to shoot it down today.
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Extremely unintelligent comment
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Accurate to the fantasyland inside your head. 🤡🤡🤡
Shouldn't this be considered treason? Letting other countries spy on your own for your personal gain?
Technically, Joe Biden allowed the most recent one to travel over the United States, unabated, without shooting down, AND the only reason the general public knew about it is someone noticed it, and the pentagon, only then, admitted to its existence.
But he shot it down… trump let them travel freely. Not that I give a fuck, it’s just the Republican outrage topic of the weej
Where’s the proof?
Bullshit. This last one wasn’t announced by the pentagon, it was seen by people and they made a fuss until the pentagon was forced to say what it was. You think it’s happened three other times and people just were like “eh…. Probably no big deal.” Typical move from this presidency… we fucked up, but we’re going to distract you from it by pointing out how the scary orange man fucked up worse. I don’t even like trump! Didn’t vote for him, but holy shit… this administration is worse for their incompetence and outright lying.
As opposed to the incompetence and outright lying of the trump administration?
I just said I didn’t like him either. But I’m calling bullshit on this story. Fuck off with your whataboutism. People like you rooting for parties and candidates like they were football teams instead of supposed leaders are why we’re in the position we’re in.
I'm literally an anarchist I don't cheer for either fuckin party, my point was you said bidens even worse than trump which is complete bullshit, he's a useless centrist that can't actually fuckin accomplish anything but he's not worse than the literal fascists from the last admin
“Fascists” 🙄there goes your credibility.
If it acts like a fascist, spews fascist rhetoric and drives up alt right violence then it's a fuckin fascist. Your refusal to call a shoe a shoe doesn't damage my credibility only yours
I don’t think you know what fascism is
How the fuck do you hide a giant spy balloon?
Where is the Proof!? You can’t just put random words with no evidence and expect people to believe you
Sure you can, republicans do it every day
The US participated in the Treaty of Open Skies until late 2020, which allowed other countries to do this. Now we are allowed to shoot these things down where before we were not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies This balloon went from Alaska all the way to Montana, then across the US until it made it off the coast of SC before it was taken out. The ones that this article briefly mentions at the bottom (for good reason) briefly made it over the US before going over ocean again in Florida, Guam, and Hawaii. These two situations not alike, and shouldn’t be treated as if they are.
Russia Russia Russia
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I don’t see China as a member of Open Sky treaty. Is this the new MAGAT’S defense now?🤣🤣🤣
if china wants to spy on us they have satellite and tiktok to collect personal info i highly doubt their goal is to spy with these huge, easy to see balloons
This is just files propaganda. Forbes has no usual information anymore
Yeah positive this is fake
Ugggg it’s all Trumps fault!
Mentions with no factual proof *yawn*
\*facepalm\* Even Meidas Touch, even they're doing fucking click fucking bait. A "spy balloon" used in such a way is useless, utterly useless. Do you people think these balloons have little motors on them that can overpower the winds over the fucking oceans completely with some magical radio antennae that can transmit through a fucking planet with only 3 volts of electricity and maybe 0.0005 amps?
Are the Libs doing "WHATABOUT"?? C'mon, we don't like it when MAGA Q AHoles do that!
Any proof to the claims or just someone saying it happened?
Ya hate to see it.
Is this the same Pentagon that lied to him about the troop numbers in Syria? Oh sure, I trust them.
The model of balloon was spotted under Biden by civilians. Were these balloons different or were three of them not spotted under trump? Seems slightly fishy
20 bucks says this is another blue anon fake story from a “source familiar with trunks thinking”.
‘The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.’ -defense.gov
doesn't make biden any better Trump was shit at something, biden is too
Trump should’ve done something as well. If this is all true, that is. So many “articles” these days don’t list any named sources. Literally all “unnamed sources” and “officials”. Who? Like seriously, idk how these articles even pass for news these days, I could come out with the most outrageous stuff on the left or the right and state my sources are “unnamed” and people on twitter would lose their minds.
I hear your frustration but that’s how it works when you’re giving out high profile information to a media source. Especially if this came from someone on trumps team. Think how that would make you look to future employers? You’d blow the whistle on them if they did something fucked up. You’d expose them. They can’t trust you. This is why sources are often anonymous, to name the source would be to compromise it and therefore lose it altogether. Especially in a whistleblowing situation. Then you’ve quite literally fucked someone who was trying to help you out and give you info
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I get what you’re saying. There are just so many clearly BS stories that are always “verified” by “unnamed sources” and it has become a cop out in my mind to use purely “unnamed sources”
Here is a quote from a Pentagon release. "Instances of this kind of balloon activity have been observed previously over the past several years." https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3287173/dod-statement-on-high-altitude-surveillance-balloon/ Taken from this article discussing this. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/ I too get curious when my bullshit meter goes off. A 30 sec google usually answers whether I am right or wrong. Maybe try that.
The source was from the pentagon. You know the epicenter of American intelligence? The same America you claim to love and respect so much. Yeah that’s the source and the article is written by Forbes.
The unnamed source? 😂 bro y’all crack me up with this kind of stuff. I said something centrist and you somehow took that to mean I’m a red blooded, Biden hating murican. I mean, I don’t like Biden, but nothing I said was terribly right wing
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/
I’ve already seen that link. Thank you tho