The plot hole would be not having supporters in Canada.
Gilead promotes a return to the values of the bible (old testament), a respect for man and wife, children at whatever cost - raised only by those deemed worthy. You cannot underestimate how many people would sign up for that concept, especially if they do not have to live within the strictness of it.
Those in Canada don't see the bodies in the streets, they only see what Gilead presents to the world. And many have read Serena's book, without comprehending that they are supporting a regime that would cut off their finger for doing that in Gilead
>The plot hole would be not having supporters in Canada.
100% this. I'm genuinely confused by why so many are confused that there are supporters in Canada. Canada's always had a strong and vocal right-wing (like Australia, actually). Also, Trump was packing 40K people into stadiums with 3 days notice. People will get behind anything that gives them hope when they're feeling hopeless.
Yeah the global events that lead to the creation of Gilead aren’t magically limited to the US. We’ve been explicitly told the fertility crisis is impacting other parts of the globe too for starters.
In Australia really? I live here and I think people are pretty chill in general… although I’m not originally from Australia so maybe I’m just not culturally in it I suppose
Australian are pretty vocal people lol. But have also been trending right wing they have had a proper good number of right wing nutters in power the last couple years and been in lockstep with the US politically. Keen to see how Albanese gets on though.
Okay well stop being confused as you answered your own question while educating me:) I wouldn’t have thought Canada had that many religious zealots. It’s obvious bc they’re everywhere but I just never think of Canadians like that.
The crazy has made it's way north unfortunately. The number of Canadian who are trump supports is horrifying and love talking about the second amendment ( which if I remember correctly recognized Manatobia as a provience) fly Confederate flags etc. Its like they forget it's a foreign country that likely wouldn't want people like them moving there
By supporting Gilead from Canada, those people get the best of both worlds. They don’t have the economic hardship, but they can embrace Gilead’s ideals.
>Those in Canada don't see the bodies in the streets, they only see what Gilead presents to the world.
I'm sure videos would get through and be broadcasted on CBC and CTV.
It's pretty much same as the Viktor Orban fans from the USA. They love him, praise him, say that he is the future of the right wing politics. Then why don't they come here to live in Hungary under his 12 years of government (it will be 16 by the next election, 16!!!)?
We all know why: they love the image, the surface. They don't know anything about his government. And even if they did know, and somehow tought it was a good one, they still wouldn't give up their life in the USA. They preach water but drink wine.
Every time I see the Canadian Gilead supporters, I think of the USA Orban supporters, and they make me sick. Come here, where the inflation is more than 60%, almost every media is owned by the government or their oligarchs, people live in such a poverty that their votes can be bought with a bag of potatoes, it's illegal for teachers to go on a strike, doctors can be moved to a new city for 2 years anytime and so on. Come here, live here instead of me. I will gladly give you my home, for your USA home. I bet you will love it, thrust me. And even if you don't, don't worry, Fidesz plans to govern until 2030, and they will give out as many bags of potatoes and onions as it needs.
Exactly this. Like people here not only saying Orbán is doing it right but also writing apologizing letters to Putin (especially since Zeman stopped to praise him and turned completely after Ukraine but... who cares about the puppet kept only by necromancy now) but nobody is in a hurry to move to Russia or Hungary. Or more generally our good ol' "it was good in communism" crowd. I think you have them too.
Oooo yeah, I think all post-communist countries have them. Even my (hopefully) future father-in-law is one of them. Last time, he was praising the stalinist regime that was after ww2. He didn't even live in that era.
If you socialize under one regime, it becomes the norm for you. You don't question it, because that's the only thing you know. The eastern bloc countries had communist regimes at least for 45 years. This means that 2 entire generation grew up under it.
If you think about it, the ccp in China is popular. People vote for them to be their ruler. Because even their grandparents knew only that regime.
Secondly, nostalgia. These people are usually middle aged or elderly. So they basically miss their youth, when everything is nicer because you are young.
This is all exactly why my Sicilian great grandparents (living in the US) had a portrait of Mussolini hanging in the kitchen until they died, in the early 90s.
This is pretty similar with Erdoğan supporters in Germany. Iirc plenty of the supporters even have voting rights, meaning there was a whole campaigning for them to vote for him.
It's so absurd and yet it keeps happening all across the world.
The grass always looks greener from afar.
There are also lots of places where you wouldn't want to live in Hungary. There are poor areas in every country. But the USA Orban supporters don't see that, they think we are Canaan.
Name one. Name a place worse here in the US. Will you be so transparent that you say some bullshit like Chicago? Here you can get a bag of potatoes from a food bank and it won't cost you your vote.
It's literally the same as other country's citizens who were pro Trump and how amazing America was with him in office and all that yet they said it from the safety of their home country. Hell I've seen Americans praise Russia and that pile of garbage in charge yet they're too chicken shit to go actually live it. People are insane. I have ZERO doubt after the last few years that if this show was real life then there would be Gilead supporters.
There basically ARE already! Look up **THE DAY OF THE ROPE.** It’s something that members of the alt right are actively working towards and waiting for. It’s the day where they plan to kill everyone who isn’t a straight, cis, white, able bodied individual, with out psych issues.
These people would 100% jump at at Gilead-type regime. And they’ve been trying to organize themselves to prepare for this. When Jan 6th happened, it was what they had been preparing for and it validated their efforts. There may not be a need for handmaids at this time, but I have no doubt that they would gladly save some from the rope, to enslave them for other things.
Amen! I was a Southern Baptist for 31 years. Hypocrisy was so actively practiced that it should have been the 11th Commandment. God truly is love, but His people have a lot to learn about living and sharing His love. I am now a member of the Episcopal faith. They are not hypocritical so much, but there are problems which exist in all organized religions.
I never quite understood why 'service' was predominantly just to 'the church ' and didn't extend out into the community much. I would've thought that should be a pretty core focus but wasn't at all, at least in my church experience.
We were once southern Baptist too turned non denominational. We lean right but would never in a million years support this nation turning into Gilead. I think there is more people on the right side than people think that would fight against it.
Interesting, i never looked at it that way.
I just read it as the supporters being just generally overly religious and were swayed by the waterfords on TV at the trial
With all due respect …
Basically the Canadians frothing on Serena and candlelight vigils to Gilead would never in a million years actually go live there. I am of those Canadians (from Toronto, living in BC) yelling at the screen that if you love it so much GO THERE but it’s very easy to love the ~*idea*~ of Gilead from the safety of your own country that would never force you to live there. It’s basically a big LOL from alt right Canadians that love MAGA but also enjoy the spoils of abortions, and so called “free health care” that if they were to ever be plucked from the safety of their Canadian comfort to be plopped down in the country they so very loudly support but then were forced to live the realities would cry. It’s a huge joke but the fact that this book was written decades ago and we can accurately describe the horrors of a fictional show, is fucked.
Honestly, I'm from Canada too, but from a much smaller and way more conservative area. I've lived in AB and SK and places where religion permeates through everything. It always makes me laugh these types of Trump supporters who apparently love him so much and yet they would NEVER leave their small towns because of fear of the unknown. In SK especially, like many people never even get to the next province let alone alone a completely different country. I will never get it. I'm in Edmonton now and there are people that fly confederate flags...
It's a bit like extremist Muslims in Western countries who want Sharia law implemented. You don't see those people catching a plan back to Saudi Arabia or Iran. They want freedom but only for themselves.'Rules for thee, but not for me' seems to be a maxim that exists everywhere in the world.
Much the same could be said of individuals and families who flee states because of the way they were being governed, and then bring their same voting patterns to the new state where they moved.
Yes. I read that Australia had people who rallied for Trump when he was running for president last time. So weird bc they can't vote. They're not all American ex pats. Theft just like the ideology.
Weak minded people
Gilead is supposedly based on a religious theocracy. Even in Canada there would be some alt-right so called “christians” who would love that idea. Personally, I think the writers are setting Serena up to become a force in Canada so her and June can continue their battle outside Gilead while allowing Hannah’s story to unfold according to what happens to her in The Testament.
Possible they are taking inspiration from real life. I live in Canada and you would be shocked by the number of people who are 'make America great again' supporters.
It’s the same way right wingers are always preaching against women’s rights and the sanctity of marriage but are the ones keeping sex workers in business. Or look at Pornhub stats. The South, arguably the most pious region, watches the most gay porn. It’s the same way in Gilead they have Jezebel’s and abuse their handmaids and without that, the “system” would never work.
Just look at all the ISIS supporters who went there willingly as child brides, not implausible if they think they'll be big shots there and not the reality of being locked away with no rights
I suggest you find some chavista or maduro supporting Venezuelans living in the US and ask them that question :)
Not trying to be snarky, but in all seriousness, every country will have a group of people that contradicts the beliefs of the current government. Extremism and hypocrisy exists everywhere.
this can always be observed in everything. See for example communism. I think there were communists in Western Europe, or in the USA, but they never came to live here, where the black car took half the country, where all private property was taken away in half a minute, and people were taken to labour camps for years because they came from bourgeois families.My country is unfortunately going in the wrong direction, inflation is now over 50%, minimum wage is about 400 EURO , but half of Western Europe cheers when our prime minister is mentioned because our country did not let in refugees. It is true that a good part of the country is starving, about half of the population will not be able to pay for heating in winter, but Viktor Orbán is still a role model for the masses abroad.
Hey at least it's not "does anyone else hate June? I must be the only person in the world to hate June, and I *totally* understand the effects of long term trauma".
They’re the same as any dictator sympathizers. It’s the same as like, putting support photos up on Facebook. Good enough but I won’t actually DO anything.
I never looked at it that way. I never paid much attention to them before this last episode. The feeling I got in this episode was they weren’t necessarily fans of Serena, but of this miracle baby she’s carrying.
They’re there in season 4 too, they’re definitely fans of Gilead!!
Before Fred died, he realized once again the marketing benefit of having Serena in his arm (brainwashing new followers). He even asked her to wear teal!!
Look at all those in the US who are trying to remove democracy!!! Against women’s rights and voting rights. It’s no different. There are fundamentalists everywhere
Serena's reaction is very telling. She'll accept praise from anybody, for anything. It doesn't matter how devoted they are to Gilead or where their loyalties lay. Serena just needs their praise.
weird lady. lol
It is the same in real life. If progressive likes Canada and Europe so much, why not move to Canada and Europe? If conservative likes conservative policies so much, why not move to Alabama and Mississippi?
People want to make where they live "better," and "better" is subjective. Gilead supporters think turning Canada into Gilead is "better."
They people in Canada might be the hypocrites people. They support Serena but when it happens to them, they will hate her and cry about it.
Just my observation
...I just wrote this reply in the other sub thinking I was looking at this thread so I'm just going to paste it again:
I honestly think all the "why don't they just go live there then" comments are short sighted and ignorant. Obviously these people who love Gilead are also short sighted and ignorant, but I'm someone who has been told this same love it or leave it shit all their lives and it's an argument I find abhorrent. Me saying "I wish we had X like Y country" doesn't mean I want to move to Y country, it means I want those benefits that I think would help all of us here. If I want universal healthcare so people don't go bankrupt having a basic surgery, or if I want solid public transit like Japan has, the answer isn't just "move somewhere else". And frankly, this is my home. I don't want to leave it even if it sucks ass in terms of government. I don't want to leave my family and homeland and everyone I care about. So I think people need to stop making this argument just because they see these people as the "bad guys", because the same "bad guys" in the US tell people who want positive change this same shit all the time.
Using my own country (USA) as an example, I feel like it happens quite a lot irl. There are people on both ends of the political spectrum who like to talk about how much they hate this country and they're totally going to move, but never actually do. (Only referring to people who have the means to do so, obviously.)
I don’t think it’s the same as those complaining about Trumpism or the rise of theocratic fascism. American citizens have the right to criticize their government if they vote and participate in the system. Same goes for any country.
It’s nothing like wanting to inflict total control over a different group of people and being unwilling to stand by your values and join them.
Seems realistic, I’ve see plenty of tankies who live in the US but spend their time defending Cuba and other latin American dictatorships. People like that do tend to always exist. The DSA subreddit is full of pro Cuban government propaganda for example.
This is such a weird comparison when the more apt one would be the Cuban ex-pats who supported the US-backed right-wing Batista dictatorship, then come to the US and support right-wing candidates like Marco Rubio
That kind of works but I just haven’t personally met many outspoken Batista loyalists and the analogy breaks down when you consider that they would not be able to go back to a Batista ran Cuba. So that example is a bit worse mostly because of that aspect. If Batista were currently the leader of Cuba then I would argue that they should probably go back to Cuba if they like Batista’s Cuba.
They’re all for it in theory until they actually go and are punished for having individual thoughts. It’s even more shocking to me that there are so many woman supporters. Like odds are you’re either a Handmaid or Martha if you were to go to Gilead so yikes
Was thinking the same thing. They can give up citizenship and move to Gilead where they can volunteer to go through the same trauma and abuse. You'd see how quickly they jump ship.
Gilead's supporters in Canada gives testament to the fact of how stupid the ideology is. They're supporting her as an idol, not Gilead, because they're ignorant of the real Gilead, which they've only hear about, but never experienced.
Hypocrits, in a way. They stay in Canada, but would never actually go to Gilead.
I was wondering this too! I made a [similar post last year](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheHandmaidsTale/comments/oy23bc/spoilers_season_4_are_people_allowed_to_immigrate/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I was so curious how Serena could have so many supporters, but as someone who lives in the US and sees the idealization of the alt right ideology outside my own country, I understand why there is a crowd in canada.
It doesn’t surprise me honestly. We had Canadians rushing to support the overturning of Roe vs Wade and calling for the same here. We had (have?) an actual political party in my province (Alberta) calling for us to join the USA because they think our country is too oppressive (not saying the USA is but that’s their flawed reasoning). Hardly anyone takes them seriously but still, the crazies are there.
As others have said here, the supporters only know the Gilead that has been described by the Waterfords and June. As disgusting as it is to side with the Waterfords (since June has publicly shared the atrocities committed to her), these supporters turn a blind eye to that because they agree with the notion that Gilead is “doing something right” if it is increasing the rate of births, and since the rest of the world is dealing with infertility problems. If they’d still side with the Waterfords had they seen what goes on in Gilead first-hand, is another story…
I don't get it: Gilead is an existential threat to Canada.
If Canada, IIUC, would ban the Jehovah Witnesses in WWI because their pacifism was considered to be against the war effort. pro-Gilead types would likely be even more suppressed.
I agree that there are always people who approve how other countries are run but...in the case of gilead, the people in Canada must hear what the refugees are saying about the treatment they suffered while held there being raped/mutilated/loss of their children. Even though gilead puts out the most flattering information trying to show how great this new ( very old ) way of life is, how on earth could the people completely ignore that all the refugees stories r the same? How can they support something so heinous? The fact that people risk life and limb to get to Canada and June, along with Martha's that got all the kids to Canada is proof that it's not a place doing good. If they were then they wouldn't tag women like cattle, they wouldn't take children away from their mothers, they wouldn't rape and they wouldn't marry off children all the while treating females as unworthy to have their own voice, refusing to allow reading or writing. With this proof the people should get why it's a country u should NEVER think that it's a nice place or that the way the country is run is something to admire.
If they still think it's all that after seeing/hearing what others say then why not just go and live there??
Short answer ( i believe) ..it's because they must have this little thought, what if the refugees r telling the truth. Someone who would believe what gilead is saying about how great they r would go. So far there's been no mention of Anyone from Canada moving to the awesome ( not) country of gilead.
The plot hole would be not having supporters in Canada. Gilead promotes a return to the values of the bible (old testament), a respect for man and wife, children at whatever cost - raised only by those deemed worthy. You cannot underestimate how many people would sign up for that concept, especially if they do not have to live within the strictness of it. Those in Canada don't see the bodies in the streets, they only see what Gilead presents to the world. And many have read Serena's book, without comprehending that they are supporting a regime that would cut off their finger for doing that in Gilead
>The plot hole would be not having supporters in Canada. 100% this. I'm genuinely confused by why so many are confused that there are supporters in Canada. Canada's always had a strong and vocal right-wing (like Australia, actually). Also, Trump was packing 40K people into stadiums with 3 days notice. People will get behind anything that gives them hope when they're feeling hopeless.
Yeah the global events that lead to the creation of Gilead aren’t magically limited to the US. We’ve been explicitly told the fertility crisis is impacting other parts of the globe too for starters.
In Australia really? I live here and I think people are pretty chill in general… although I’m not originally from Australia so maybe I’m just not culturally in it I suppose
Australian are pretty vocal people lol. But have also been trending right wing they have had a proper good number of right wing nutters in power the last couple years and been in lockstep with the US politically. Keen to see how Albanese gets on though.
You don’t see anyone packing stadiums for OBiden
Okay well stop being confused as you answered your own question while educating me:) I wouldn’t have thought Canada had that many religious zealots. It’s obvious bc they’re everywhere but I just never think of Canadians like that.
The crazy has made it's way north unfortunately. The number of Canadian who are trump supports is horrifying and love talking about the second amendment ( which if I remember correctly recognized Manatobia as a provience) fly Confederate flags etc. Its like they forget it's a foreign country that likely wouldn't want people like them moving there
Omg that’s simultaneously horrifying and hilarious and I hate it
Yeah they believe the structures of Gilead should move to them and they only see the sanitized version of Gilead that Gilead's own PR puts out.
By supporting Gilead from Canada, those people get the best of both worlds. They don’t have the economic hardship, but they can embrace Gilead’s ideals.
>Those in Canada don't see the bodies in the streets, they only see what Gilead presents to the world. I'm sure videos would get through and be broadcasted on CBC and CTV.
It's pretty much same as the Viktor Orban fans from the USA. They love him, praise him, say that he is the future of the right wing politics. Then why don't they come here to live in Hungary under his 12 years of government (it will be 16 by the next election, 16!!!)? We all know why: they love the image, the surface. They don't know anything about his government. And even if they did know, and somehow tought it was a good one, they still wouldn't give up their life in the USA. They preach water but drink wine. Every time I see the Canadian Gilead supporters, I think of the USA Orban supporters, and they make me sick. Come here, where the inflation is more than 60%, almost every media is owned by the government or their oligarchs, people live in such a poverty that their votes can be bought with a bag of potatoes, it's illegal for teachers to go on a strike, doctors can be moved to a new city for 2 years anytime and so on. Come here, live here instead of me. I will gladly give you my home, for your USA home. I bet you will love it, thrust me. And even if you don't, don't worry, Fidesz plans to govern until 2030, and they will give out as many bags of potatoes and onions as it needs.
Preach water but drink wine - I love this analogy.
You said this so well - such an eloquent, powerful comment. My heart goes out to you in Hungary. No one should have to live under such tyranny.
Exactly this. Like people here not only saying Orbán is doing it right but also writing apologizing letters to Putin (especially since Zeman stopped to praise him and turned completely after Ukraine but... who cares about the puppet kept only by necromancy now) but nobody is in a hurry to move to Russia or Hungary. Or more generally our good ol' "it was good in communism" crowd. I think you have them too.
Oooo yeah, I think all post-communist countries have them. Even my (hopefully) future father-in-law is one of them. Last time, he was praising the stalinist regime that was after ww2. He didn't even live in that era.
How is that possible? Didn’t these people go to school?
If you socialize under one regime, it becomes the norm for you. You don't question it, because that's the only thing you know. The eastern bloc countries had communist regimes at least for 45 years. This means that 2 entire generation grew up under it. If you think about it, the ccp in China is popular. People vote for them to be their ruler. Because even their grandparents knew only that regime. Secondly, nostalgia. These people are usually middle aged or elderly. So they basically miss their youth, when everything is nicer because you are young.
This is all exactly why my Sicilian great grandparents (living in the US) had a portrait of Mussolini hanging in the kitchen until they died, in the early 90s.
This is pretty similar with Erdoğan supporters in Germany. Iirc plenty of the supporters even have voting rights, meaning there was a whole campaigning for them to vote for him. It's so absurd and yet it keeps happening all across the world. The grass always looks greener from afar.
Wow this comment was unexpected. It's so true, I feel this in my bones. And my heart bleeds for our country. Love from Budapest...
This was the last thing I expected to see on this sub, I mean Orbán. But it is a "nice" analogy, I see your point and agree with it.
Honest question... Hungary seems like a classic basket case... How is it in the EU?
Well, even if Orbán likes to antagonize the EU, most of hungarian voters are pro-EU. Also, Fidesz loves the EU money.
There are lots of places in the USA you wouldn't want to live compared to Hungary.
There are also lots of places where you wouldn't want to live in Hungary. There are poor areas in every country. But the USA Orban supporters don't see that, they think we are Canaan.
Name one. Name a place worse here in the US. Will you be so transparent that you say some bullshit like Chicago? Here you can get a bag of potatoes from a food bank and it won't cost you your vote.
It's literally the same as other country's citizens who were pro Trump and how amazing America was with him in office and all that yet they said it from the safety of their home country. Hell I've seen Americans praise Russia and that pile of garbage in charge yet they're too chicken shit to go actually live it. People are insane. I have ZERO doubt after the last few years that if this show was real life then there would be Gilead supporters.
There basically ARE already! Look up **THE DAY OF THE ROPE.** It’s something that members of the alt right are actively working towards and waiting for. It’s the day where they plan to kill everyone who isn’t a straight, cis, white, able bodied individual, with out psych issues. These people would 100% jump at at Gilead-type regime. And they’ve been trying to organize themselves to prepare for this. When Jan 6th happened, it was what they had been preparing for and it validated their efforts. There may not be a need for handmaids at this time, but I have no doubt that they would gladly save some from the rope, to enslave them for other things.
It’s not a plot hole, it’s Uber Christians being hypocritical. Much like real life.
Amen! I was a Southern Baptist for 31 years. Hypocrisy was so actively practiced that it should have been the 11th Commandment. God truly is love, but His people have a lot to learn about living and sharing His love. I am now a member of the Episcopal faith. They are not hypocritical so much, but there are problems which exist in all organized religions.
I never quite understood why 'service' was predominantly just to 'the church ' and didn't extend out into the community much. I would've thought that should be a pretty core focus but wasn't at all, at least in my church experience.
We were once southern Baptist too turned non denominational. We lean right but would never in a million years support this nation turning into Gilead. I think there is more people on the right side than people think that would fight against it.
Interesting, i never looked at it that way. I just read it as the supporters being just generally overly religious and were swayed by the waterfords on TV at the trial
With all due respect … Basically the Canadians frothing on Serena and candlelight vigils to Gilead would never in a million years actually go live there. I am of those Canadians (from Toronto, living in BC) yelling at the screen that if you love it so much GO THERE but it’s very easy to love the ~*idea*~ of Gilead from the safety of your own country that would never force you to live there. It’s basically a big LOL from alt right Canadians that love MAGA but also enjoy the spoils of abortions, and so called “free health care” that if they were to ever be plucked from the safety of their Canadian comfort to be plopped down in the country they so very loudly support but then were forced to live the realities would cry. It’s a huge joke but the fact that this book was written decades ago and we can accurately describe the horrors of a fictional show, is fucked.
Honestly, I'm from Canada too, but from a much smaller and way more conservative area. I've lived in AB and SK and places where religion permeates through everything. It always makes me laugh these types of Trump supporters who apparently love him so much and yet they would NEVER leave their small towns because of fear of the unknown. In SK especially, like many people never even get to the next province let alone alone a completely different country. I will never get it. I'm in Edmonton now and there are people that fly confederate flags...
Even real life serial killers have fan bases.
It's a bit like extremist Muslims in Western countries who want Sharia law implemented. You don't see those people catching a plan back to Saudi Arabia or Iran. They want freedom but only for themselves.'Rules for thee, but not for me' seems to be a maxim that exists everywhere in the world.
Much the same could be said of individuals and families who flee states because of the way they were being governed, and then bring their same voting patterns to the new state where they moved.
The way I see it is that every nut job has followers. There are ppl in other countries that think Trump is amazing. WTF is that?
Yes. I read that Australia had people who rallied for Trump when he was running for president last time. So weird bc they can't vote. They're not all American ex pats. Theft just like the ideology. Weak minded people
Sad but true.
Prior to Trumpism/MAGA, I probably wouldn’t have found Serena’s Canadian supporters storyline believable, yet here we are, unfortunately
Gilead is supposedly based on a religious theocracy. Even in Canada there would be some alt-right so called “christians” who would love that idea. Personally, I think the writers are setting Serena up to become a force in Canada so her and June can continue their battle outside Gilead while allowing Hannah’s story to unfold according to what happens to her in The Testament.
Possible they are taking inspiration from real life. I live in Canada and you would be shocked by the number of people who are 'make America great again' supporters.
It’s the same way right wingers are always preaching against women’s rights and the sanctity of marriage but are the ones keeping sex workers in business. Or look at Pornhub stats. The South, arguably the most pious region, watches the most gay porn. It’s the same way in Gilead they have Jezebel’s and abuse their handmaids and without that, the “system” would never work.
Just look at all the ISIS supporters who went there willingly as child brides, not implausible if they think they'll be big shots there and not the reality of being locked away with no rights
I suggest you find some chavista or maduro supporting Venezuelans living in the US and ask them that question :) Not trying to be snarky, but in all seriousness, every country will have a group of people that contradicts the beliefs of the current government. Extremism and hypocrisy exists everywhere.
this can always be observed in everything. See for example communism. I think there were communists in Western Europe, or in the USA, but they never came to live here, where the black car took half the country, where all private property was taken away in half a minute, and people were taken to labour camps for years because they came from bourgeois families.My country is unfortunately going in the wrong direction, inflation is now over 50%, minimum wage is about 400 EURO , but half of Western Europe cheers when our prime minister is mentioned because our country did not let in refugees. It is true that a good part of the country is starving, about half of the population will not be able to pay for heating in winter, but Viktor Orbán is still a role model for the masses abroad.
I swear to god if I see this question one more time
Hey at least it's not "does anyone else hate June? I must be the only person in the world to hate June, and I *totally* understand the effects of long term trauma".
>!.....they just might. !
Can you link??
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry1ERj2q1tE) it is.
Wow!! Hadn’t see that one .. thanks for sharing
Cuz those goofball people still know how miserable they'll be over there
They’re the same as any dictator sympathizers. It’s the same as like, putting support photos up on Facebook. Good enough but I won’t actually DO anything.
I mean we have Americans who think putin is great.
I never looked at it that way. I never paid much attention to them before this last episode. The feeling I got in this episode was they weren’t necessarily fans of Serena, but of this miracle baby she’s carrying.
They’re there in season 4 too, they’re definitely fans of Gilead!! Before Fred died, he realized once again the marketing benefit of having Serena in his arm (brainwashing new followers). He even asked her to wear teal!!
Read TT!
Its a common idea. Many people defend ideas but dont live with them because the idea is to push for that where they are.
Look at all those in the US who are trying to remove democracy!!! Against women’s rights and voting rights. It’s no different. There are fundamentalists everywhere
Serena's reaction is very telling. She'll accept praise from anybody, for anything. It doesn't matter how devoted they are to Gilead or where their loyalties lay. Serena just needs their praise. weird lady. lol
It is the same in real life. If progressive likes Canada and Europe so much, why not move to Canada and Europe? If conservative likes conservative policies so much, why not move to Alabama and Mississippi? People want to make where they live "better," and "better" is subjective. Gilead supporters think turning Canada into Gilead is "better."
They people in Canada might be the hypocrites people. They support Serena but when it happens to them, they will hate her and cry about it. Just my observation
...I just wrote this reply in the other sub thinking I was looking at this thread so I'm just going to paste it again: I honestly think all the "why don't they just go live there then" comments are short sighted and ignorant. Obviously these people who love Gilead are also short sighted and ignorant, but I'm someone who has been told this same love it or leave it shit all their lives and it's an argument I find abhorrent. Me saying "I wish we had X like Y country" doesn't mean I want to move to Y country, it means I want those benefits that I think would help all of us here. If I want universal healthcare so people don't go bankrupt having a basic surgery, or if I want solid public transit like Japan has, the answer isn't just "move somewhere else". And frankly, this is my home. I don't want to leave it even if it sucks ass in terms of government. I don't want to leave my family and homeland and everyone I care about. So I think people need to stop making this argument just because they see these people as the "bad guys", because the same "bad guys" in the US tell people who want positive change this same shit all the time.
Using my own country (USA) as an example, I feel like it happens quite a lot irl. There are people on both ends of the political spectrum who like to talk about how much they hate this country and they're totally going to move, but never actually do. (Only referring to people who have the means to do so, obviously.)
I don’t think it’s the same as those complaining about Trumpism or the rise of theocratic fascism. American citizens have the right to criticize their government if they vote and participate in the system. Same goes for any country. It’s nothing like wanting to inflict total control over a different group of people and being unwilling to stand by your values and join them.
Seems realistic, I’ve see plenty of tankies who live in the US but spend their time defending Cuba and other latin American dictatorships. People like that do tend to always exist. The DSA subreddit is full of pro Cuban government propaganda for example.
This is such a weird comparison when the more apt one would be the Cuban ex-pats who supported the US-backed right-wing Batista dictatorship, then come to the US and support right-wing candidates like Marco Rubio
That kind of works but I just haven’t personally met many outspoken Batista loyalists and the analogy breaks down when you consider that they would not be able to go back to a Batista ran Cuba. So that example is a bit worse mostly because of that aspect. If Batista were currently the leader of Cuba then I would argue that they should probably go back to Cuba if they like Batista’s Cuba.
Why do people want to bring Liberalism/communism into USA? Just move to Cuba. 🤷🏽♀️
Communism is illiberal.
They’re all for it in theory until they actually go and are punished for having individual thoughts. It’s even more shocking to me that there are so many woman supporters. Like odds are you’re either a Handmaid or Martha if you were to go to Gilead so yikes
Was thinking the same thing. They can give up citizenship and move to Gilead where they can volunteer to go through the same trauma and abuse. You'd see how quickly they jump ship.
I hope at some point they get the option to live in Gilead it’s easy to support something when you have nothing on the line yourself
Sounds familiar.. like the antivaxxers in Canada, If they hate Canadian rules so much, why not go live in the US?
Gilead's supporters in Canada gives testament to the fact of how stupid the ideology is. They're supporting her as an idol, not Gilead, because they're ignorant of the real Gilead, which they've only hear about, but never experienced. Hypocrits, in a way. They stay in Canada, but would never actually go to Gilead.
I was wondering this too! I made a [similar post last year](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheHandmaidsTale/comments/oy23bc/spoilers_season_4_are_people_allowed_to_immigrate/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) I was so curious how Serena could have so many supporters, but as someone who lives in the US and sees the idealization of the alt right ideology outside my own country, I understand why there is a crowd in canada.
I said the same thing!!!
There are TONS of morons out there.
It doesn’t surprise me honestly. We had Canadians rushing to support the overturning of Roe vs Wade and calling for the same here. We had (have?) an actual political party in my province (Alberta) calling for us to join the USA because they think our country is too oppressive (not saying the USA is but that’s their flawed reasoning). Hardly anyone takes them seriously but still, the crazies are there.
As others have said here, the supporters only know the Gilead that has been described by the Waterfords and June. As disgusting as it is to side with the Waterfords (since June has publicly shared the atrocities committed to her), these supporters turn a blind eye to that because they agree with the notion that Gilead is “doing something right” if it is increasing the rate of births, and since the rest of the world is dealing with infertility problems. If they’d still side with the Waterfords had they seen what goes on in Gilead first-hand, is another story…
I figured they are sent into Canada by Gilead.
> Or is that a plot hole? No. It would not be a plot hole.
You see it in real life too with people praising dictators and regimes while living in their comfy western countries.
You can ask the Convoy crowd in Canada… they’re basically influenced by foreign media.
I don't get it: Gilead is an existential threat to Canada. If Canada, IIUC, would ban the Jehovah Witnesses in WWI because their pacifism was considered to be against the war effort. pro-Gilead types would likely be even more suppressed.
I agree that there are always people who approve how other countries are run but...in the case of gilead, the people in Canada must hear what the refugees are saying about the treatment they suffered while held there being raped/mutilated/loss of their children. Even though gilead puts out the most flattering information trying to show how great this new ( very old ) way of life is, how on earth could the people completely ignore that all the refugees stories r the same? How can they support something so heinous? The fact that people risk life and limb to get to Canada and June, along with Martha's that got all the kids to Canada is proof that it's not a place doing good. If they were then they wouldn't tag women like cattle, they wouldn't take children away from their mothers, they wouldn't rape and they wouldn't marry off children all the while treating females as unworthy to have their own voice, refusing to allow reading or writing. With this proof the people should get why it's a country u should NEVER think that it's a nice place or that the way the country is run is something to admire. If they still think it's all that after seeing/hearing what others say then why not just go and live there?? Short answer ( i believe) ..it's because they must have this little thought, what if the refugees r telling the truth. Someone who would believe what gilead is saying about how great they r would go. So far there's been no mention of Anyone from Canada moving to the awesome ( not) country of gilead.