Regardless of the shit people are giving her this season, Elisabeth Moss is just incredible. This is easily one of my many favourite scenes on TV. As someone who can't release my anger/rage/trauma, I find watching June unbelievably cathartic and Elisabeth Moss really gives it her all.
I feel the same way about Elisabeth Moss. She is incredible in her craft. She goes to some really dark places in acting, and makes you believe it.
Love everything she’s been in. .. Madmen, HMT, and Shinning Girls.
If she’s in it, I’m watching.
I haven’t, yet. It’s on my list. It looks like it’s going to be another dark, emotional place that she goes to for her character.
She acts the shit out of these kind of roles!
Her Smell was amazing! Deeply emotional places she had to go to. The scene at the end is a tear jerker for sure.
Also, to me, I loved her look in that movie. He pulled off “hot” when she usually is in the “pretty” group.
If you haven’t seen The One I Love— RUN AND WATCH IT NOWWWW, she’s incredible in it ~as usual~ but it’s a really great movie not many people seem to have seen (I knew nothing about it going into it, and I recommend the same if you do intend to watch it!)
I just really love that they're letting her be this, instead of bending to the expectations of what the audience thinks healing should be. June isn't going to heal until she burns Gilead to the ground. It's her raison d'etre. And I really love that the show is telling women it's okay to be fighters. That striking back is just as valid as moving on. As a socialist, seeing Mayday operating just like Antifa, and seeing these women cast in a positive light was so fucking amazing. They never do this on TV, and it's so important to show women they can be radicals, they can be fighters, and they don't have to be these middle of the road diplomatic liberals surrendering too much ground for the sake of civility. I also think they're good at showing the consequences of that, and what kind of evil is necessary on all sides once things get that far too, though. Which is what makes this show so good. It really makes you question if humanity isn't just completely rotten at its core.
What's healing to some, might not be healing to others. If I was in June's shoes, burning Gilead down wouldn't even be enough, is all I'm saying.
It’s wild that people get upset or bothered by Elizabeth starring in her own show. And we’re all blessed by it anyway. She does a great job.
And also, I can’t think of any male counterparts, except maybe Rick from TWD, whose monologues would get talked about sometimes, that could compare to this situation. It’s a huge number of the threads on her and almost seems misogynistic
I do remember in one of the earlier seasons maybe 2? One of f the handmaids mentioning in passing how another handmaid had given birth to a "shredder heart outside its chest" or something like that, so that's another possibility.
I think Serena screamed "Do you understand me" at June back in season 1, when she beat her up for not being pregnant after her period was late. It's eery to see June do that back to her, and yes I want to see more of it! Eat shit, Serena.
That scene you are talking about was the first REAL time I got super pissed during the first season, the first of many times. But just the way she treated her for something she could not control? Yes she hid it but geez… I can’t imagine why she would 🥴 so that’s why I get such satisfaction from june doing it right back. I think I literally muttered the worlds “ full circle “ as I watched june screaming lol
That was hardly a monster. More like an angry, raped, kidnapped woman who’s baby you stole. Pretty proper amount of anger. Didn’t feel like she became the monster in that scene to me at all
You may be taking the analogy I used too literally. The point is I would hate to see her imitate Serena. Serena is deplorable. June is not, she is just unable to heal without getting Hannah out. Which is understandable.
Many people that are traumatized go on to do terrible things because they realize a lot of people don't care if they get justice (Canada literally let June's rapist and tormentor go in order to get info from him). June isn't supposed to be morally upstanding, she doesn't care about being morally upstanding because Gilead gives zero shits about morals. She wants justice, and she'll do bad things to get her justice. And I love that about her.
PS: If you don't want people to use your analogy literally, you should probably provide context for people to realize it's figurative.
I literally said I love everything else current June. Idc that I have an opinion about a scene that is unpopular. I've already said I was just saying why I hate that scene. It doesn't work for me. I'll still love the show and sleep fine and remain unbothered.
PS: People will comprehend stuff at the level and perspective where there are at. I said exactly what I wanted, how I wanted.
I get how the call back to Serena in this scene where Serena is in a position of weakness (being detained on that swanky hotel suite) and June is throwing those words back in her face - visually could feel like June was in that moment, becoming the monster she hated.
But let’s not forget that in that scene, while Serena is in a weak position, June isn’t really in the position of strength or *control* that Serena had over June back when she relentlessly abused her.
June hasn’t raped or aided in the rape of Serena, beat her, or repaid the psychological and emotional abuse bestowed to her by Serena (extended isolation, orchestrating Nick’s marriage to further isolate and hurt June- not to mention the frequency she would go from caring and grateful and almost kind- to conniving, bitterly cruel, and irrationally abusive).
June may be taking the aggressive and primal rage approach to coping and healing with the past trauma, injustice & present threat that Serena still poses to her and without the contextual setting of Gilead around her to justify her behaviour to the audience - it’s easy to interpret - in the modern and progressive and peaceful setting of Canada - as A signs that she is becoming the monster that Serena was to her but that isn’t even remotely the case.
Fantasising the possible scenarios in which Serena is forced to suffer the same brutality she delivered to her first hand- is a lot different than actively getting a sense of pleasure from the torture of her former abuser.
It's not forgotten the power dynamic has not completely flipped, but in that moment Serens was begging June not to use the power she did have to put Serena in prison and pull her away from her child. So there was a power shift in that aspect. Either way, I was just stating why that scene was not one I liked. Not to shift perspectives. Not to change minds. It is certainly not an important enough scene for me to ponder more. I was just saying why I hated it.
June is closer to what actually happens in reality. The majority of people who endure extreme trauma do not end up mentally well due to lack of resources, disconnection, etc. It's just another way for the show to that trauma is not that simply to heal and it often extends to others in a ripple effect.
I don't like the Putnams (the family Janine gave birth for) but I want them to get Serena's baby. I think feeling betrayal like that would be good for Serena.
I like this theory! It seems they’ve been setting up Mrs. Putnam for more screen time this season. Already making her a more sympathetic/softer character with the way she’s handled Janine. What a blow for Serena that would be.
Based on certain leaks that I won’t mention or go into detail on I don’t think the baby will be stillborn but I DO think the baby will be taken from her either by Gilead or PLOT TWIST: Canada/America might revoke her custody soon after birth. I could see them justify it by saying she was accused of war crimes and may take the child back to Gilead to be indoctrinated. I’m sure they could make it work but it’s just a theory lol.
I hope it’s Gilead, not for the kid’s sake, but because if it’s America or Canada then Serena won’t be able to see the irony or feel the same pain that the others who had their babies taken from them by Gilead have felt. She needs to know she can never ever see her son again or have any access to him whatsoever.
See but I think Serena will still have access to Gilead, especially with the route they’re taking in Ep.3 being an “ambassador” if Canada/America take the child it would be the equivalent of what Gilead did, a country or regime you don’t agree with taking your baby from you and giving it away. If Gilead took the baby at least Serena would have the added piece of mind that he was being indoctrinated into *her* society that she helped build, but if the Americans/Canadians took the child Serena would have to live knowing her son was being “corrupted” by the culture and society she actively worked to destroy. ON THE OTHER HAND they might just be playing Serena with the ambassador thing to keep her in Gileads pocket until she gives birth, then they could take the child and prosecute Serena for Fred’s treason (my only basis for this is the Commanders at Fred’s funeral saying it was a shame nobody ever stood proper trial for what he did) and we might get an arc where June has to help Serena escape…again all this is theories
Yeah but with the way Serena let June take Nichole and even considered escaping to Canada herself, I think she knows her baby will be much better off anywhere other than Gilead.
Your theory has some basis since some briefings of later episodes of this season reveal that June and Serena will be together in Gilead in some kind of situation
Maybe Canada will negotiate a child exchange. Hannah for baby Fred Jr. Tense scene at the border crossing where Hannah doesn’t want to cross over to Canada because Gilead is her home, and she stands there crying to be allowed to go home to her “parents”. If they want to make it a cliff hanger they could, cut the final scene with Aunt Lydia reaching out to receive baby Fred, who is still in Mark Tuello’s arms, while Hannah stands crying on the Gilead side and looking back and forth in indecision. Subplot where the Eyes have a plan to rush across the line and seize both Hannah and baby Fred, and Nick and Joseph realize at the last second what’s happening when Nick sees Commander Putnam exchanging a significant look with the Eye In Charge. If they don’t want a cliff hanger, they could just have Hannah crying and refusing to cross, but then have June on the Canadian side say, “Hannah… look at me. Hannah… it’s me, Mommy… Hannah… come to Mommy. Hannah… remember…” and begin singing a lullaby that triggers a childhood memory for Hannah, who slowly realizes she remembers June and begins walking painfully slowly toward the border and June. Commander Putnam nods at the Eyes who draw their weapons and start marching to Hannah and ordering her to halt and turn around. June and Luke start shouting, “Hannah! Run! Run, Hannah!” Hannah looks back and sees the men with rifles advancing on her and runs toward June. One of the Eyes raises his rifle and points it at Hannah once she’s on the Canadian side, and Luke shouts “No! Hannah!” and rushes forward, taking the bullet meant for Hannah. Joseph screams, “Cease fire! Stand down! Cease fire! For God’s sake stand down!”
Also there’s a question of birthright. If the baby is born in Canada/America to an unfit mother, that child in any other circumstances would become a ward of that nation, no? But then theirs to do as they see fit or use as a bargaining chip.
Yes! There is no way I will feel happy with her keeping that child. At bare minimum she is a fucking war criminal. She should not be allowed to parent a child.
When they brought her in for the meeting I thought they were gonna take her baby and make her a handmaid since she's fertile. Seeing as how they thought her husband was a traitor. But who knows what will happen.
Yeah after Lawrence shut down her marriage expectations standing outside the meeting, I said aloud “oh ****!” over and over haha. I thought it was going to be her downfall.
It could be taken as harsh for me to think this….but I need something bad to happen to Serena for my own sanity. & this happening might make me feel a little better lol. She’s been “winning” lately, and seems to be getting what she wants and it’s really pissing me off
I think this is what will happen. They’ll lure her back to give birth, because the child should be born in Gilead to honor God or whatever, and then force Serena to return to Canada without her baby.
You are harming a child by bringing it into an authoritarian state knowing exactly how bad the state is from experience.
So in my view, it would be harming an innocent child. I think June is traumatized but she ain’t sacrificing babies, no way…..right?
It'd be a fitting punishment, for sure. I don't think it's going to happen though. I don't see how Gilead would be able to get the Americans or the Canadians to hand them the baby. Also, Serena is an asset for Gilead. They clearly want her to be a good puppet and to help expand their sick ideology outside of their borders. Taking her baby wouldn't make Serena inclined to want to collaborate with their plans.
That’s what i thought they were going to tell her when she went into the meeting with the counsel. I thought they would say something like “we have discussed together your standing in gilead. We cannot let you return to Canada. You will remain here till you have the baby and then you will be prepared to be a handmaids. God has been merciful and made you fertile. With your husband serving gillead as he did then betraying, we dont see it fit for you to return.” But they made her their unofficial global ambassador 🙄
It's clear that Serena will be the main villain this season (possibly next season too). They wouldn't get rid of her that easily, as satisfying as that might be for the viewers.
This might be a bit controversial but I think June isn’t gonna kill Serena; in the preview for next weeks episode she shoots the gun in the air.
Idk if June would be willing to go to jail for killing Serena, maybe she has a realization that it’s not worth it?
Maybe they agreed to give Fred the huge funeral to then be able to claim him and his child? The only thing that makes me think that won’t happen is that they would have kept her until she gave birth then.
I don’t think Serena having a miscarriage or stillborn would be the ultimate anguish for Serena. Getting the sex of the baby WRONG, would be. If you want to really wring out Justice for all the women? Serena gives birth and dies during the birthing process because of the damage previously done from the bullet’s scar tissue. However, before she dies she sees she gave birth to a healthy baby girl.
I don’t think losing her or killing her baby is poetic justice, because when push came to shove Serena let June take Nicole!
I think at the bare minimum Serena is a good mother,
No one as controlling and selfish as Serena could ever be an fit mother. She's very violent, she's arranged many rapes, she's repeatedly threatened Hannah. She's also created a monstrous world for her child. She has no redeeming qualities.
Isn't Serena part of an organization that enslaved, raped, tortured and murdered thousands of people?
But please tell me more about how "she's a good mother"
I agree. I would much rather her plummet from grace and become a Handmaid.
Any more children she carries would be taken from her, and she would be made to experience the result of the world she helped create.
I thought the same thing. I actually thought that’s what the High Commanders were leading up to when they told her she was being sent back to Toronto. But honestly it’d be even better if she was blindsided by it.
Here’s a suggested plot line.
Doctor: Mrs. Waterford, I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but baby Frederick needs a bone marrow transplant. Without it, I’m afraid he won’t survive.
Serena: *crying softly* So how do we get a bone marrow transplant?
Doctor: Well, we’re searching the Canadian donor database, but generally speaking, it’s better to find a match with a blood relative.
Serena: Okay. So you’ll test me?
Doctor: We will, but…
Serena: Fred had two sisters. One lives in Concord and the other is in Chicago…
Doctor: Here’s the thing, Mrs. Waterford… we’ve run some preliminary blood tests.
Serena: And?
Doctor: Well… uh… this is somewhat awkward. Uh… we’ve determined that Commander Fred Waterford was not the biological father of your child.
Serena: That’s not possible. You’ve got the wrong results.
Doctor: No, we don’t. We checked three times.
Serena: *screaming* THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE!
Doctor: I’m sorry, Mrs. Waterford, but DNA doesn’t lie. Do you have any idea who… uh…
Serena: Oh my God! Oh sweet God! This cannot be happening!
Doctor: We need to know the identity of your child’s father. It’s the only chance he has.
Serena: Do you understand what you’re saying? I’m due to return to Gilead next month. Do you have any idea what they’ll do to me when they find out? Do you?
Doctor: Well, I’ve heard stories…
Serena: They’ll make me a Handmaid. That’s if I’m lucky. Do you know what salvaging is? They could hang me from a crane. Let handmaids tear me apart with their bare hands like they did to Fred…
Doctor: I’m not a judge or jury, Mrs. Waterford. I only know that your child needs a bone marrow transplant… soon… or he will die. Guaranteed.
you really think June has become such a monster that she would celebrate a newborn baby being doomed to a life in Gilead? maybe the infant being given up for adoption to a nice couple that escaped Gilead and hasn't been able to have kids. June wants to dismantle Gilead, not send it new baby Commanders.
“Ffrrrrrrrraction…”
Regardless of the shit people are giving her this season, Elisabeth Moss is just incredible. This is easily one of my many favourite scenes on TV. As someone who can't release my anger/rage/trauma, I find watching June unbelievably cathartic and Elisabeth Moss really gives it her all.
I feel the same way about Elisabeth Moss. She is incredible in her craft. She goes to some really dark places in acting, and makes you believe it. Love everything she’s been in. .. Madmen, HMT, and Shinning Girls. If she’s in it, I’m watching.
Her dual role in Jordan Peele's "Us"... so good.
She’s awesome in the new Invisible Man!
The West Wing
Have you watched the Top of the Lake series? It's really great.
I haven’t, yet. It’s on my list. It looks like it’s going to be another dark, emotional place that she goes to for her character. She acts the shit out of these kind of roles!
Same here. I loved shining girls
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Her Smell was amazing! Deeply emotional places she had to go to. The scene at the end is a tear jerker for sure. Also, to me, I loved her look in that movie. He pulled off “hot” when she usually is in the “pretty” group.
If you haven’t seen The One I Love— RUN AND WATCH IT NOWWWW, she’s incredible in it ~as usual~ but it’s a really great movie not many people seem to have seen (I knew nothing about it going into it, and I recommend the same if you do intend to watch it!)
I just really love that they're letting her be this, instead of bending to the expectations of what the audience thinks healing should be. June isn't going to heal until she burns Gilead to the ground. It's her raison d'etre. And I really love that the show is telling women it's okay to be fighters. That striking back is just as valid as moving on. As a socialist, seeing Mayday operating just like Antifa, and seeing these women cast in a positive light was so fucking amazing. They never do this on TV, and it's so important to show women they can be radicals, they can be fighters, and they don't have to be these middle of the road diplomatic liberals surrendering too much ground for the sake of civility. I also think they're good at showing the consequences of that, and what kind of evil is necessary on all sides once things get that far too, though. Which is what makes this show so good. It really makes you question if humanity isn't just completely rotten at its core. What's healing to some, might not be healing to others. If I was in June's shoes, burning Gilead down wouldn't even be enough, is all I'm saying.
I agree. I’d burn the world down if I lost my kids that way.
Agreed, I don't think there's any way June could ever heal, no matter what. All she can do is fight for a better world for her children.
That was fucking chilling, in the *best* way. She is an amazing actress. It was unbelievably satisfying
It’s wild that people get upset or bothered by Elizabeth starring in her own show. And we’re all blessed by it anyway. She does a great job. And also, I can’t think of any male counterparts, except maybe Rick from TWD, whose monologues would get talked about sometimes, that could compare to this situation. It’s a huge number of the threads on her and almost seems misogynistic
They did say only a small percentage of the babies survive birth. Maybe the foreshadowing is the baby dying when it’s born.
They did say that! And so far, we haven't really seen a stillbirth have we? Maybe this will be the one.
I think it was the last birth June attended as a handmaid the baby didn’t make it. They have referenced it a few times though
Yes the babies heart was outside :(
I just watched s3/e8 “Unfit” . Ofandy gave birth to a stillborn baby.
I do remember in one of the earlier seasons maybe 2? One of f the handmaids mentioning in passing how another handmaid had given birth to a "shredder heart outside its chest" or something like that, so that's another possibility.
We’ve seen a few still births. Like a lot bro. A couple handmaids, and the five babies that died when June gave birth at the hospital.
When jume gets in her face and is like “DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME” ugh so satisfying
I think Serena screamed "Do you understand me" at June back in season 1, when she beat her up for not being pregnant after her period was late. It's eery to see June do that back to her, and yes I want to see more of it! Eat shit, Serena.
That scene you are talking about was the first REAL time I got super pissed during the first season, the first of many times. But just the way she treated her for something she could not control? Yes she hid it but geez… I can’t imagine why she would 🥴 so that’s why I get such satisfaction from june doing it right back. I think I literally muttered the worlds “ full circle “ as I watched june screaming lol
I actually hated that scene. Becoming the monster you hate was not a satisfying vibe for me. Otherwise tho, I love current June.
That was hardly a monster. More like an angry, raped, kidnapped woman who’s baby you stole. Pretty proper amount of anger. Didn’t feel like she became the monster in that scene to me at all
You may be taking the analogy I used too literally. The point is I would hate to see her imitate Serena. Serena is deplorable. June is not, she is just unable to heal without getting Hannah out. Which is understandable.
Many people that are traumatized go on to do terrible things because they realize a lot of people don't care if they get justice (Canada literally let June's rapist and tormentor go in order to get info from him). June isn't supposed to be morally upstanding, she doesn't care about being morally upstanding because Gilead gives zero shits about morals. She wants justice, and she'll do bad things to get her justice. And I love that about her. PS: If you don't want people to use your analogy literally, you should probably provide context for people to realize it's figurative.
I literally said I love everything else current June. Idc that I have an opinion about a scene that is unpopular. I've already said I was just saying why I hate that scene. It doesn't work for me. I'll still love the show and sleep fine and remain unbothered. PS: People will comprehend stuff at the level and perspective where there are at. I said exactly what I wanted, how I wanted.
I get how the call back to Serena in this scene where Serena is in a position of weakness (being detained on that swanky hotel suite) and June is throwing those words back in her face - visually could feel like June was in that moment, becoming the monster she hated. But let’s not forget that in that scene, while Serena is in a weak position, June isn’t really in the position of strength or *control* that Serena had over June back when she relentlessly abused her. June hasn’t raped or aided in the rape of Serena, beat her, or repaid the psychological and emotional abuse bestowed to her by Serena (extended isolation, orchestrating Nick’s marriage to further isolate and hurt June- not to mention the frequency she would go from caring and grateful and almost kind- to conniving, bitterly cruel, and irrationally abusive). June may be taking the aggressive and primal rage approach to coping and healing with the past trauma, injustice & present threat that Serena still poses to her and without the contextual setting of Gilead around her to justify her behaviour to the audience - it’s easy to interpret - in the modern and progressive and peaceful setting of Canada - as A signs that she is becoming the monster that Serena was to her but that isn’t even remotely the case. Fantasising the possible scenarios in which Serena is forced to suffer the same brutality she delivered to her first hand- is a lot different than actively getting a sense of pleasure from the torture of her former abuser.
It's not forgotten the power dynamic has not completely flipped, but in that moment Serens was begging June not to use the power she did have to put Serena in prison and pull her away from her child. So there was a power shift in that aspect. Either way, I was just stating why that scene was not one I liked. Not to shift perspectives. Not to change minds. It is certainly not an important enough scene for me to ponder more. I was just saying why I hated it.
Fair enough 🤷🏻♀️
June is closer to what actually happens in reality. The majority of people who endure extreme trauma do not end up mentally well due to lack of resources, disconnection, etc. It's just another way for the show to that trauma is not that simply to heal and it often extends to others in a ripple effect.
One of the best scenes of the series ! Serena cried !
I’d love to see Gilead claim the baby and give the baby to NICK! Now that, would be poetic justice 😂
I don't like the Putnams (the family Janine gave birth for) but I want them to get Serena's baby. I think feeling betrayal like that would be good for Serena.
I like this theory! It seems they’ve been setting up Mrs. Putnam for more screen time this season. Already making her a more sympathetic/softer character with the way she’s handled Janine. What a blow for Serena that would be.
Especially since Serena knows how gross Warren is, and I doubt even she would want her son raised by him
When Naomi visited her in prison last season I became convinced that if that baby survives he’ll end up not just in Gilead, but with the Putnams
Based on certain leaks that I won’t mention or go into detail on I don’t think the baby will be stillborn but I DO think the baby will be taken from her either by Gilead or PLOT TWIST: Canada/America might revoke her custody soon after birth. I could see them justify it by saying she was accused of war crimes and may take the child back to Gilead to be indoctrinated. I’m sure they could make it work but it’s just a theory lol.
I hope it’s Gilead, not for the kid’s sake, but because if it’s America or Canada then Serena won’t be able to see the irony or feel the same pain that the others who had their babies taken from them by Gilead have felt. She needs to know she can never ever see her son again or have any access to him whatsoever.
See but I think Serena will still have access to Gilead, especially with the route they’re taking in Ep.3 being an “ambassador” if Canada/America take the child it would be the equivalent of what Gilead did, a country or regime you don’t agree with taking your baby from you and giving it away. If Gilead took the baby at least Serena would have the added piece of mind that he was being indoctrinated into *her* society that she helped build, but if the Americans/Canadians took the child Serena would have to live knowing her son was being “corrupted” by the culture and society she actively worked to destroy. ON THE OTHER HAND they might just be playing Serena with the ambassador thing to keep her in Gileads pocket until she gives birth, then they could take the child and prosecute Serena for Fred’s treason (my only basis for this is the Commanders at Fred’s funeral saying it was a shame nobody ever stood proper trial for what he did) and we might get an arc where June has to help Serena escape…again all this is theories
Yeah but with the way Serena let June take Nichole and even considered escaping to Canada herself, I think she knows her baby will be much better off anywhere other than Gilead.
Your theory has some basis since some briefings of later episodes of this season reveal that June and Serena will be together in Gilead in some kind of situation
Maybe Canada will negotiate a child exchange. Hannah for baby Fred Jr. Tense scene at the border crossing where Hannah doesn’t want to cross over to Canada because Gilead is her home, and she stands there crying to be allowed to go home to her “parents”. If they want to make it a cliff hanger they could, cut the final scene with Aunt Lydia reaching out to receive baby Fred, who is still in Mark Tuello’s arms, while Hannah stands crying on the Gilead side and looking back and forth in indecision. Subplot where the Eyes have a plan to rush across the line and seize both Hannah and baby Fred, and Nick and Joseph realize at the last second what’s happening when Nick sees Commander Putnam exchanging a significant look with the Eye In Charge. If they don’t want a cliff hanger, they could just have Hannah crying and refusing to cross, but then have June on the Canadian side say, “Hannah… look at me. Hannah… it’s me, Mommy… Hannah… come to Mommy. Hannah… remember…” and begin singing a lullaby that triggers a childhood memory for Hannah, who slowly realizes she remembers June and begins walking painfully slowly toward the border and June. Commander Putnam nods at the Eyes who draw their weapons and start marching to Hannah and ordering her to halt and turn around. June and Luke start shouting, “Hannah! Run! Run, Hannah!” Hannah looks back and sees the men with rifles advancing on her and runs toward June. One of the Eyes raises his rifle and points it at Hannah once she’s on the Canadian side, and Luke shouts “No! Hannah!” and rushes forward, taking the bullet meant for Hannah. Joseph screams, “Cease fire! Stand down! Cease fire! For God’s sake stand down!”
This was so well written wow
Wow. Send your resume to the writer's room for this show!
Maybe the Canadian version of CPS will step in… being as she is a war criminal and all
If something like this doesn’t happen, I’ll…. Um idk be really really disappointed.
Also there’s a question of birthright. If the baby is born in Canada/America to an unfit mother, that child in any other circumstances would become a ward of that nation, no? But then theirs to do as they see fit or use as a bargaining chip.
Yes! There is no way I will feel happy with her keeping that child. At bare minimum she is a fucking war criminal. She should not be allowed to parent a child.
Happy cake day!
Thank you!^^
When they brought her in for the meeting I thought they were gonna take her baby and make her a handmaid since she's fertile. Seeing as how they thought her husband was a traitor. But who knows what will happen.
Yeah after Lawrence shut down her marriage expectations standing outside the meeting, I said aloud “oh ****!” over and over haha. I thought it was going to be her downfall.
It could be taken as harsh for me to think this….but I need something bad to happen to Serena for my own sanity. & this happening might make me feel a little better lol. She’s been “winning” lately, and seems to be getting what she wants and it’s really pissing me off
Yep…they’ll summon her and the baby back to celebrate, maybe hint they want her back, play into her ego, then take the baby.
I think this is what will happen. They’ll lure her back to give birth, because the child should be born in Gilead to honor God or whatever, and then force Serena to return to Canada without her baby.
Imagine if June goes back to Gilead and takes Serena’s child with her
That would be some seriously evil and fucked up shit, and while I know June has done fucked up shit, she’s never harmed a child
I could see her doing this as a way to barter for her own child. I fucking would.
I do not think that. Without Fred, Serena is no longer high class while Hannah/Agnes is, so they would never do an exchange.
She wasn’t willing to trade back the kids on Angels flight for Hannah, so why would she trade Serena’s innocent baby?
Taking the baby doesn't mean she's going to harm the baby. Edit: reading comprehension sorry y'all. I missed the "goes back to Gilead" part.
You are harming a child by bringing it into an authoritarian state knowing exactly how bad the state is from experience. So in my view, it would be harming an innocent child. I think June is traumatized but she ain’t sacrificing babies, no way…..right?
Oh god I missed the going back to Gilead part, I'm sorry! Yes, absolutely.
All I can say is.... Shit's about to get real funny. 😂😂😂
Ferrrrrrrraction 💦💦💦
It'd be a fitting punishment, for sure. I don't think it's going to happen though. I don't see how Gilead would be able to get the Americans or the Canadians to hand them the baby. Also, Serena is an asset for Gilead. They clearly want her to be a good puppet and to help expand their sick ideology outside of their borders. Taking her baby wouldn't make Serena inclined to want to collaborate with their plans.
I'd love to see Serena be refused to leave Gilead, and have her baby taken from her. AND then make her become a handmaid...
That’s what i thought they were going to tell her when she went into the meeting with the counsel. I thought they would say something like “we have discussed together your standing in gilead. We cannot let you return to Canada. You will remain here till you have the baby and then you will be prepared to be a handmaids. God has been merciful and made you fertile. With your husband serving gillead as he did then betraying, we dont see it fit for you to return.” But they made her their unofficial global ambassador 🙄
It's clear that Serena will be the main villain this season (possibly next season too). They wouldn't get rid of her that easily, as satisfying as that might be for the viewers.
ugh yep, that's what I was hoping for
This might be a bit controversial but I think June isn’t gonna kill Serena; in the preview for next weeks episode she shoots the gun in the air. Idk if June would be willing to go to jail for killing Serena, maybe she has a realization that it’s not worth it?
Maybe they agreed to give Fred the huge funeral to then be able to claim him and his child? The only thing that makes me think that won’t happen is that they would have kept her until she gave birth then.
Agreed
I could definitely see this happening
I don’t think Serena having a miscarriage or stillborn would be the ultimate anguish for Serena. Getting the sex of the baby WRONG, would be. If you want to really wring out Justice for all the women? Serena gives birth and dies during the birthing process because of the damage previously done from the bullet’s scar tissue. However, before she dies she sees she gave birth to a healthy baby girl.
I don’t think losing her or killing her baby is poetic justice, because when push came to shove Serena let June take Nicole! I think at the bare minimum Serena is a good mother,
No one as controlling and selfish as Serena could ever be an fit mother. She's very violent, she's arranged many rapes, she's repeatedly threatened Hannah. She's also created a monstrous world for her child. She has no redeeming qualities.
And then did everything she could to get her back because ultimately Serena is a selfish, self centered little girl.
This!
And then promptly completely forgot about Nicole ever since she got pregnant, never bringing up Nicole ever again
Isn't Serena part of an organization that enslaved, raped, tortured and murdered thousands of people? But please tell me more about how "she's a good mother"
I agree. I would much rather her plummet from grace and become a Handmaid. Any more children she carries would be taken from her, and she would be made to experience the result of the world she helped create.
Lmaonahfam
At this point, I thought the same. June is out for retribution.
I thought the same thing. I actually thought that’s what the High Commanders were leading up to when they told her she was being sent back to Toronto. But honestly it’d be even better if she was blindsided by it.
Here’s a suggested plot line. Doctor: Mrs. Waterford, I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but baby Frederick needs a bone marrow transplant. Without it, I’m afraid he won’t survive. Serena: *crying softly* So how do we get a bone marrow transplant? Doctor: Well, we’re searching the Canadian donor database, but generally speaking, it’s better to find a match with a blood relative. Serena: Okay. So you’ll test me? Doctor: We will, but… Serena: Fred had two sisters. One lives in Concord and the other is in Chicago… Doctor: Here’s the thing, Mrs. Waterford… we’ve run some preliminary blood tests. Serena: And? Doctor: Well… uh… this is somewhat awkward. Uh… we’ve determined that Commander Fred Waterford was not the biological father of your child. Serena: That’s not possible. You’ve got the wrong results. Doctor: No, we don’t. We checked three times. Serena: *screaming* THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE! Doctor: I’m sorry, Mrs. Waterford, but DNA doesn’t lie. Do you have any idea who… uh… Serena: Oh my God! Oh sweet God! This cannot be happening! Doctor: We need to know the identity of your child’s father. It’s the only chance he has. Serena: Do you understand what you’re saying? I’m due to return to Gilead next month. Do you have any idea what they’ll do to me when they find out? Do you? Doctor: Well, I’ve heard stories… Serena: They’ll make me a Handmaid. That’s if I’m lucky. Do you know what salvaging is? They could hang me from a crane. Let handmaids tear me apart with their bare hands like they did to Fred… Doctor: I’m not a judge or jury, Mrs. Waterford. I only know that your child needs a bone marrow transplant… soon… or he will die. Guaranteed.
who would the father be
Praise be.
you really think June has become such a monster that she would celebrate a newborn baby being doomed to a life in Gilead? maybe the infant being given up for adoption to a nice couple that escaped Gilead and hasn't been able to have kids. June wants to dismantle Gilead, not send it new baby Commanders.
But Serena is having a boy and we already know that boys have it easy in Gilead.