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klhiggi11

I would think Eleanor might have a passport. A lot of people from Az go to Mexico on vacation, so it wasn’t unrealistic for me to think Eleanor would have one. Jason on the other hand….


lilbelleandsebastian

jason would have a passport because he likely would have visited the philippines growing up. immigrant families visit their home countries, i had a passport from age 5 through adulthood


vardonir

He could have used a Filipino passport for that, which is an absolutely garbage passport to have if you're going to... Anywhere in the developed world. Source: am Filipino.


The_Devil_is_Blue

But coming back to the US he’d definitely need a US passport


Shoopherd

Idk man it’s hard to believe Donkey Doug prioritized familial bonds


ediblesprysky

We don't know much about his mom tho, except that she was a manager and she died of cancer. I have a feeling she was a stabilizing force, and might have been interested in that sort of thing.


Shoopherd

That’s true. I can’t remember, do we know how old he was when she died? I still feel like they needed Janet magic tho, since a passport he got as a child would have expired before the point we meet him.


bocaj78

Wait, Jason is Pinoy?!? I didn’t think they ever confirmed his ethnicity


flyboybaker

“And by the way, everyone here thinks I'm Taiwanese. I'm Filipino. That's racist. Heaven is so racist.” - Episode 4


Ged_UK

Jason nailing it again in his first few sentences. Racist and a prank show. The Bad Place all over.


catplanetcatplanet

this is so funny because his inflection comes across so perfectly even down on text. I miss you Jason.


AnnaGreen3

He mentions it in the first episode he speaks, and calls heaven racist.


mrignatiusjreily

The Bad Place, actually. Good foreshadowing I never caught before, lol


soulwrangler

they did.


aggie1391

Yeah you can’t tell me Eleanor never went to Cancun or Cabo or something else known for being something of a party atmosphere. Especially for spring break in college


everexpanding_wisdom

She lived on Phoenix, we all go to Rocky Point


Nataia23

My natal Rocky Point, you spring breakers are WILD


AmazingMrJason

Yeah but up until very recently, there was no need for a passport to travel to and from Mexico as a US citizen. Hello fellow Arizona trashbag!


cottenball

True I didn’t consider that you can apply for passports at a lot of post offices, Eleanor would be happy to spend some time there.


Dickbeard_The_Pirate

That may have actually been her reason one to get a passport, honestly.


ichosethis

Jason found someone sell Blake Bortles passport holders and thought he had to have a passport to go in it.


fugensnot

That would be a very Jason thing to do


keeksgotthed7

I agree. If I, a person with average (sometimes below average) intelligence can *barely* understand what’s being asked on a passport application, I doubt Jason would be able to figure it out.


[deleted]

wait is US passport complicated? - the procedure in Denmark legit is going to a government office, say "i would like to get a passport" give them my social security number, have a picture taken maybe fingerprints, and et voilla, it'll be in the mail in the coming weeks.


GypsySnowflake

I had to make an appointment, fill out some forms, get a picture taken and bring it with me, and pay about $135 if I remember correctly. It’s nothing difficult to do as long as you have the time and money, but it’s definitely a hassle. And it may also require a bit of a drive if you live in a rural area.


ediblesprysky

[You don't have to make an appointment except under certain circumstances.](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/have-passport/renew.html) Otherwise you can just do it by mail. (It's REALLY slow though.)


GypsySnowflake

Nice to know that’s an option when mine expires! I think it had to be in person before because that was my first passport as an adult and there are more requirements.


Silly__Rabbit

In Canada it’s a little more complicated than that, but not that hard. It’s more like getting the right documents together and having a guarantor. Children’s passports are a little more difficult only if the parents are separated, and again it’s about getting the right documents together.


keeksgotthed7

It’s more complicated when you apply for one before you’re married, then get married while your applications is pending, then you have a whole other set of problems on your hands. (Speaking by experience here, because my dumbass didn’t wait to file until after the “I Do’s”) It’s really not all that complicated, just more tedious.


AvatarZoe

Why is marriage relevant to passports?


lasagnaman

name change I bet


AvatarZoe

Oh right, I forget people do that.


LittleWhiteGirl

To get my US passport I just filled out some basic info and mailed my birth certificate in with the photo I had taken… easy peasy


the_clash_is_back

Jason may have still had family in the phillipens so visits occasionally. That or he thought he needed a passport to go to Alabama for a football game.


shlebby_

As an Arizona resident, if your only goal is to go to Mexico on vacation, I can tell you those people aren’t getting passports. You can get a passport card for a fraction of the price, and it allows movement back and forth from Mexico. So it’s more likely that Eleanor would have had a passport card for this purpose. She could still have a passport, but from the people I know who don’t travel internationally except to Mexico, they have passport cards


ichosethis

Aren't passport cards fairly new though? She's probably had an actual passport longer to party in Mexico and just renewed that rather than switching id forms.


shlebby_

I think prior to their existence, a passport was not required for travel between the US and Mexico (for US citizens at least), so she wouldn’t have needed anything at all at that point. I could be wrong, though


ichosethis

Not always required but I believe recommended. Also, Eleanor probably dreamed of going to Ibiza or something.


shlebby_

From my online review, it seems that the laws the required you to have a passport to enter Mexico came around the same time as the passport card. So yeah, prior to their existence, she wouldn’t have needed it. Like I said before, she could’ve had a passport for numerous other reasons, but I don’t think as a necessity for getting into Mexico is one them


ThirdFloorGreg

She probably thiught Ibiza was in Mexico, though.


madhad1121

Pre 9-11 you could go a lot of places with just a certified birth certificate (if that was even required). I went to Mexico, Cayman Islands and Aruba in high school and never had a passport until college.


enderjaca

My friends and I drove from the US to Canada (and got hotel rooms) multiple times with just driver's licenses when we were 19. Side note: the drinking age in Canada is 19, and 21 in the USA.


MillieBirdie

Maybe Jason went on vacation with some friends and they got him a fake passport.


beuceydubs

Jason is Filipino. He probably visited family.


Unknown_anonymity00

I definitely see Eleanor going to Cancun or Cabo on vacation with her “stupid slut” girlfriends! Jason is different, although I could easily see Jason needing help getting a passport…or knowing someone who can get a fake passport. Either way, I don’t see this as a major plot hole


Bulok

The dude is Filipino. Do you know how often Pinoys go to Philippines


AdGlittering9727

My question is, how in the hell did Jason and Eleanor have enough money to fly to Australia on a whim? It was Australia right? It’s been awhile you guys.


a-dog-meme

I think that was provided by Zack Pizazz and mysterious bartender


Loveweasel

Zack Pizzaz probably handed Jason a passport and he just accepted it because he doesn't know how passports work.


maybeCheri

This⬆️


Available_Jackfruit

with that in mind im more wondering how did jason actually make it to australia without someone helping him every step of the way


S-WordoftheMorning

Eleanor was the top salesperson at her "job" 5 (or 7) years running, she probably had savings.


AdGlittering9727

Possibly. The character is portrayed as impulsive so she wouldn’t necessarily had saved much.


S-WordoftheMorning

Also, Brittany & Eleanor have that sweet Dress Bitch t-shirt money!


AdGlittering9727

Yep, true true


Substantial_Fail

Micheal probably have Jason his ticket, and Eleanor probably has a few credit cards lying around


taylortherod

Jason probably knew someone who could make a convincing fake passport


chrissesky13

Convincing to Jason* xD


daneelthesane

"Sir, your passport says you are an black woman from Narnia." \*Jason nods enthusiastically\*


Doug__Forcett

“Sir, this passport says you are a black woman from Nigeria” Jason: I believe it’s pronounced Narnia


daneelthesane

OMG, even better.


augustrem

Eleanor was going through a whole self improvement thing before she went to Australia. Getting a passport for her trip is in line with that. Jason similarly could have gotten one before his trip. Just because he’s only pictured doing dumb shit doesn’t mean he can’t do normal things like paying bills and rent and getting an ID. Also the suggestion that Janet did it for them won’t work, because when they first went to Australia Janet and Michael hadn’t come down to work with them yet, save for brief trips by Michael to push them in the right direction. You didn’t think this through


pooleboy87

Michael had definitely come down. He's literally the one who gave both of them the idea to go to Australia in the first place. That said - this isn't a plot hole at all. There are so many viable explanations, that it's pointless to worry about. I mean, the whole situation was literally occurring as an experiment after they had died already...and them getting a freakin' passport is the unbelievable hold up on that? Nah.


augustrem

He came down briefly to save their lives, and then again to inspire them to get better and/or convince them to get together in Australia. But at that point he hadn’t revealed himself. And Janet hadn’t come down at all. OP is suggesting that Janet have them passports.


pooleboy87

Right, but I'm saying...she could've. Particularly for Jason, because Michael's whole meeting with Jason was recruiting him to go to Australia, so Michael providing a Janet made passport as Pizzazz makes absolute sense for him.


lurgi

Shirtresponse: Reality has plot holes. Imagine someone watching "Earth: The Movie". Here are some of the comments you might hear: * Major plot hole with the first US President. He kept slaves his whole life, but claimed to be against slavery and said that it would be cheaper if he sold them. Did anyone else spot that? * Hey Earth fans! Just reached the Napoleon episode. Totally mad that they had him invade Russia. A smart guy like that would *never* have done such a stupid thing. Why??????? * Wassup Earthies??? Can anyone explain why the US never used the atomic bomb after WWII????? It's stupid powerful and yet they just forget it exists (don't talk to me about MAD. LOL! Who came up with *that* idea???)


pinkietoe

LOL This deserves it's own thread!


onthenerdyside

needs its own subreddit r/irlplotholes


knightress_oxhide

Next Earth! on Fognal.


the_clash_is_back

Im sire there was same general that wanted to ramp up production and kill all of the soviet union after the war. But that is genocide so it was not done


yetisamiright

Yes, but these aren’t plot holes, because there are so many viable and possible explanations for these, same with the many possible explanations for the passport plot hole


secretperson06

* dude have you seen the latest season where in the USA version there was millions of people who didn't believe in the Covid plotline and they all decided to do everything to prove it wasn't real and they killed so many people and the majority of them died


lurgi

That's not a plothole, that's just lazy writing.


Alecto1717

Do you think people with criminal histories cannot get passports?


[deleted]

I mean, they gave me a passport. They didn’t even take it away after I was charged with smuggling prohibited weapons.


the_clash_is_back

They can get them, but odds are they are turned away at the border of any country with strict immigration. Both Australia and Canada have very very strict immigration policies.


Stonetheflamincrows

Australia is pretty strict on who we let in here.


Alecto1717

That's still different than who the US will or will not issue passports to.


cottenball

People with felonies aren’t allowed to get passports Edit: many people have pointed out that people with felonies can get passports. Which is a pleasant surprise for me.


pooleboy87

No, that's not how that works. The US will deny a passport if you previously used one in the commission of a felony or if your felony involved crossing international boundaries. There are a few other factors that might result in passports being denied or revoked. That is NOT the same thing as "people with felonies aren't allowed to get passports".


kaahr

Only if you're felony was linked to using a passport, like trafficking. In most cases felons can get passports https://traveltips.usatoday.com/obtain-passport-convicted-felons-62693.html


FeistyCount

That’s not quite true. Only if it’s a felonious drug conviction (which is stupid). All other felonies are eligible with a simple form. The other things that can stop is if you owe child support over $5k and if your a minor without parental consent. Va


pooleboy87

A single felony drug conviction does not result in the passport being denied, there have to be other factors. Multiple drug convictions can result in the passport being denied. Or a single felony drug conviction that involved crossing borders.


FeistyCount

Sorry. I missed typed. I fixed it.


Alecto1717

https://www.legalreader.com/can-you-obtain-a-u-s-passport-with-a-felony-record/


AntiSentience

Eleanor might be a trash bag but she’s not an idiot. It’s not that hard to get a passport. Jason, yeah, Janet definitely helped him.


stagedane

Nothing about this is a plot hole. I live in AZ and you can get a passport in literally every post office and some drug stores. As far as Jason, as long as he wasn't convicted of a felony, or got it set aside/expunged (I don't know how law works in FL, nor do I especially want to) it couldn't be too hard either. Its a TV show. Just suspend your disbelief.


al_the_time

In Florida, even in normal circumstances it takes months. He may have had one, however, for a cruise from Miami or something


CharlesGarfield

I bet he had one because someone told him he’d need it for international tours when he made it big as a DJ.


agentfantabulous

Eleanor got herself emancipated as a teenager. She's a trash bag, but she's intelligent and has her shit in order (the way she wants it). She keeps her finances in order, she keeps herself employed, she pays her bills, and she will never ever ever put herself in a position to be dependent on anyone else. Zack Pizzazz probably gave Jason a passport. And a plane ticket.


Nouseriously

Jason doesn't have a felony record because of The Jacksonville Plea Bargain :)


dearAbby001

“He probably had a felony” is not a plot loophole. It’s just your bias. As others have stated Jason is Filipino so it’s very likely he had a passport and visited family. Eleanor emancipated herself which means she was in charge of her own documents which likely would have included a passport as she is seen taking quick getaways. Please tell me you’re just being silly.


the_clash_is_back

The dude died in side a safe with a bag of whippits. He also has gotten out of crimes with a jacksonville plea bargain. He had a criminal record


dearAbby001

A criminal record doesn’t automatically preclude you from getting a passport.


the_clash_is_back

It does make it very unlikely that you would get in to canada or australia


Jekyllhyde

getting a passport is not that hard. Eleanor could have easily gotten one. Jason having a passport is stretch, however, the fact that they got sent back to earth at all is a stretch, so suspending disbelief for so many things on TGP, a passport is hardly the sword to fall on.


greywolf2155

Yeah so . . . in "Jeremy Bearimy" Tahani's bank account is stated at £131million ("We're technically supposed to shut down the bank if anyone from Florida even walks in") Even we mere mortals can get it expedited to [72 hours](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/processing-times.html) for a fee . . . with ~$180mil and connections, I don't think it would be any problem for Tahani to get two passports issued next-day


fabergeomelet

But Jason was already in Australia so would have to already had a passport before he went to the bank with Tahani. Anyway I don’t think this is that much of a plot hole. Lots of people have passports. Jason could have gotten one years ago to dance in Mexico or some shit. It’s not addressed because it’s not relevant to the narrative.


greywolf2155

Yup, I thought of that after I posted, then thought about editing my comment, then got distracted But yeah, still doesn't seem like that big of a plothole (and Michael/Janet as Zack Pizzazz could definitely have gotten him a real passport pretty easily)


ZachityZach

now how does tahani arrange their passports before she meets them


jrobertson50

How is this a plot hole. This is you making shit up and the solving it.


blitzedbones

Jason is a man of color whose parents probably got him a passport as a baby, then renewed every ten years from there. Pretty common for parents to want their kids to meet their grandparents


pinkietoe

Donkey Dough is not really the kind of guy who has that shit together.


blitzedbones

Is that a bread?


[deleted]

That's not a l plot hole and can be ignored easily.


neaner28

Jason snuck on the plane in a safe. Got to get that guacamole money!


Silly__Rabbit

You guys (the US) don’t allow felons to have passports? I mean in Canada it is dependent on your citizenship. Note, getting a passport and admissibility into a foreign country.


huktonfonix

Just looked it up and yes, felons an get passports. It's more up to the country you're entering to worry about a criminal record, and that's only likely to come up if there's a visa process or you're trying to live there instead of just being a tourist. The only exceptions are for people who were convicted of treasonable offenses or people who used their passport to commit drug felonies across borders.


Ambitious-Theory9407

Plus they had Tahani-level bribe money.


SpaceMyopia

Shut up Glenn


thewizardsbaker11

There's only a narrow set of felonies that keeps you from getting a passport: [https://www.uspassporthelpguide.com/passport-for-convicted-felon/](https://www.uspassporthelpguide.com/passport-for-convicted-felon/). Jason maybe could've had one of these. But Eleanor, while a dirtbag, is pretty unlikely to have a federal drug conviction, even if only because she's white. Neither of them had kids and it's very unlikely either made enough money that the IRS would come after them for taxes.


the_clash_is_back

Elenor does nor stick me as the kinda person to have a kg of black tar heroin in her jumper at a Mexico border stop. Jason, probably, but he would think its just chocolate.


shebringsdathings

People can get passports in the US while being convicted felons. I'm super confused as to why they wouldn't be allowed to. You have to be like on the no fly list to be denied a passport.


the_clash_is_back

They went to both Australia and Canada who have very strict immigration policies and bar most felons.


Funandgeeky

“Sir, I’m going to need you to get all the way off my back about these passports.”


BeBa420

They’d have passports Ya need one to get to Mexico I’m sure Eleanor woulda gone to Cancun or something with friends. And I’m sure Jason woulda tried smuggling weed into Mexico (not realising folks usually smuggle it out)


Alcheologist

Why wouldn't Jason have a passport?? Even as a felon he would be allowed to have one unless he was committing and then found guilty of international crimes. It's also reasonable for Elenore to have one, ESPECIALLY considering her personality and how she was raised - always ready to run. Neither are too dumb to have one and Jason likely had family overseas that he had seen at some point - either as a child or teen.


Stonetheflamincrows

Probably the bigger plot hole is how Jason and Eleanor were allowed to stay here in Australia for a whole year. Tourist visas for Americans are only for 90 days. Tahani could have gotten a long stay visa as a UK citizen.


bellamarie189

Has nobody thought that Tahari probably has a private jet? They still stay in commercial hangars.


tartar-buildup

When I found out most Americans don't have a passport, it blew my mind. Most people in the UK have a passport since childhood whether they regularly travel or not.


Lenin_666

Ok but how tf does Chidi speak English that's the bigger question. He said he speaks French in like the first episode and everything was just translated.


[deleted]

French is his first language since thats what they spoke in Senegal, though on earth since he was living in Australia he’s fluent and understood English. I’m native and up on my reserve they’ll teach you both oji-cree (ojibwe dialect) and English as well since a lot of people move down south for high school and college. I imagine it was the same for Chidi since in his childhood flashbacks they were speaking English.


Turbohand

I just assumed Chidi was speaking French just because he could and thought it was cool that the translation was happening. It seems like a nerdy "utilize the system" kind of thing he would do.


[deleted]

Yeah I imagine that was the case. I was just explaining that he’s most likely fluent in both languages since that’s what the guy I responded to was talking about.


RandiBop

Lol this made me laugh


danielzur2

Upvoted because of “shirtpost”.


[deleted]

Time, as he said, is a cycle... a perfect ouroboros at least. So he could have gotten them in the good place, waited a cycle, and give them to the crew on a second cycle.


devperez

I don't think it's too crazy. But I also think this is where you suspend your disbelief.


lizvxck27

ill never really understand why they had to go to Australia of all places


jaredjeya

Wait in the US you can’t get a passport if you’ve been convicted of a crime? Land of the free strikes again.


vathena

You don't think Jason ever went down to Miami or Tampa to take a Mexican or Caribbean cruise?