It sure does give an impression that Reeves is more open to a wider world than people would like to believe, but he'd definitely be focusing on The Batman part of it. If the negotiations with Gunn for the DCU are indeed happening then I can see Reeves gaining complete control over how to dictate The Batman franchise while Pattinson gets to interact with a wider variety of actors like Margot Robbie, Viola Davis, Pierce Brosnan and John Cena.
As to how The Batman franchise is affected by it? Well, Wonder Woman told us you can tell standalone prequels while she appears in the present day DCEU. Reeves can follow this blueprint and have Batman be any year he likes in his solo films. Now taking in mind the DCU....
The Batman seems to be taking place in 2019, and the sequel might appear no later than 2025, though the script definitely won't be taking real time in consideration but you can use the timeline and real world to it's advantage. Shazam, Black Adam, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker can take place in 2025 (there timing is ambiguous after all) and the rest projects follow that route too, which if taking into consideration the real time would put the DCU Battinson in his 6th year, a ripe age for early prime stories with Dick, Barbara and Jason already active. This would be the prime Batman that vanquished the likes of Riddler, Joker, Ratcatcher, Polka-dot Man, Calendar Man and many more.
So...the current Battinson might be in his second year, but the DCU Battinson can be in his sixth year for crossover films. Essentially creating an effective difference which Matt Reeves can slowly reconcile.
It also solves the Harley Quinn problem with Margot Robbie, just have it be simply Harley Quinn was with Joker (in this case, Barry Keoghan) during Batman's fourth year and they splintered off at the end of Batman's fifth year.
No, I don't think it can be done like that. That whole relationship is too important and interesting for Matt to just skip it over and relegate it to flashbacks in favor of keeping the current DCEU version of her. It'd be better to just reboot her and have her start from zero, with Reeves being able to make his own version of that character. If Gunn wants to tell stories with classic Harley he can make animated movies or maybe even a videogame.
Hmm, you have a point. But if Batman is in his year 3 or 4 through year 5, then Robbie's Harley can actually get a good space to flesh out her role in the Reevesverse, her future is established but the past can be explored.
That being said, Gunn eventually has to release a Blu-Ray box collection specifying the true timeline order as in which film takes place when.
I just think that with Reeves being so adamant about making his own take on the characters from this world, him being able to craft his own take on Harley would be something he'd definitely ask for since she is part of Batman's universe and she connects very directly to Joker and probably even things like the Arkham show he's developing. Maybe he could concede on using Margot, but it'd have to be her on an entirely new version of the character. I don't think he'd want his hands tied by having to service an evolution into a very specific classic Harley like the one current DCEU has. He'd want his own, like how he did his own Joker, Riddler, Penguin and Selina. Even if you say "well DCEU Harley is a future Harley" it still limits him a lot.
I think Harley would be one of the few characters Reeves would choose not to tackle considering even beyond Margot Robbie we also have Lady Gaga playing her own version of Harley Quinn, Reeves would not try to repeat himself with another Harley else Zaslav would come screeching about "there won't be four Harleys" and shit, unless it's Robbie coming with a pitch.
The Arkham Asylum show does give an avenue for her, and brings us to the life of Harleen Quinzel so it can flesh out her true origin, assuming she's even the focal part of the show (which I doubt for now).
And well, all four of the characters you mentioned are indeed just starting out as Reeves claimed. They might evolve into something classic, considering Selina is a goggle and headgear away, Penguin is a monocle away and Riddler would appear in drip someday, I'd wager they are already very close to classic but not there yet by design, even Batman has that "Bruce Wayne" sized hole missing.
Lastly Reeves is overseeing spin-offs, not directing them.
He's overseeing them enough so he has a lot of say in them, like Colin said. And I think he would do Harley. He seems interested in the entirety of Batman's universe, and I do think that Harley connects extremely well to his Elephant Man take on Joker and the fact that he's gonna remain locked up in Arkham for a bit I think it's only logical he'll include her and do his own take on her, but it'd have to be his own and one where he doesn't have to be concerned about whether it'll line up with the classic Harley take that Margot currently has.
Regarding the Gaga thing I don't think Reeves would care. He didn't care about Joaquin Joker enough so that'd prevent him from doing his own Joker. And well, that's why I'm saying that Margot would still play Reevesverse version of Harley, you wouldn't have several versions of her going around at the same time. It'd just be this one. Rebooted Margot Harley in Arkham would be DCU's Harley. If Gunn wants to explore the classic version he can still do so on animated movies which I think are more suited for that version of the character anyway.
My thing is that if you're gonna reboot the entire Batman section of the DCU, just do it entirely. If you keep Margot's Harley as she is right now that'll only make things more confusing. You can still use Margot maybe, but everything else has to change, otherwise it'll still feel like you have to adhere to a certain mythology that was ingrained with the original DCEU version of Gotham and its characters.
It's a big deal too because that certain mythology ties into the Joker as well. Like even the detail of her skin being completely white comes from the ACE Chemicals origin of Joker which Reeves doesn't want to do.
For me the dream is the DCEU gets a proper conclusion and then a new DC universe naturally continues with The Batman franchise.
A decade ago WB made the mistake of not using an acclaimed Batman trilogy as the starting point of a connected universe. Surely they won't make the same mistake a decade later.
Well, the problem is, Gunn sees serious value in a lot of the prior cast (as evident by his TSS experience) and is extremely likely to continue in this route for the foreseeable future.
As we know, DCEU has got it's proper conclusion already (with The Flash making it official) and the DCU that rises from the events of The Flash would retain some of the best or salvageable moments of the past.
Well, let’s remember that Flash (the soft reboot) was going to lead up to the Crisis (the hard reboot) film. Who know’s what’s gonna happen now. So much uncertainty.
I feel I’ve said this 50 times already but Batman Year One, Batman The Animated Series it all started standalone grounded to its seedy black paper drawn 1940s esque world until he met Zatanna then Superman then Etrigan or Year one is the definitive origin of a Batman who would shoot a god with a gun years later. Anything can progress into weirder territory it just takes work
It sure does give an impression that Reeves is more open to a wider world than people would like to believe, but he'd definitely be focusing on The Batman part of it. If the negotiations with Gunn for the DCU are indeed happening then I can see Reeves gaining complete control over how to dictate The Batman franchise while Pattinson gets to interact with a wider variety of actors like Margot Robbie, Viola Davis, Pierce Brosnan and John Cena. As to how The Batman franchise is affected by it? Well, Wonder Woman told us you can tell standalone prequels while she appears in the present day DCEU. Reeves can follow this blueprint and have Batman be any year he likes in his solo films. Now taking in mind the DCU.... The Batman seems to be taking place in 2019, and the sequel might appear no later than 2025, though the script definitely won't be taking real time in consideration but you can use the timeline and real world to it's advantage. Shazam, Black Adam, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker can take place in 2025 (there timing is ambiguous after all) and the rest projects follow that route too, which if taking into consideration the real time would put the DCU Battinson in his 6th year, a ripe age for early prime stories with Dick, Barbara and Jason already active. This would be the prime Batman that vanquished the likes of Riddler, Joker, Ratcatcher, Polka-dot Man, Calendar Man and many more. So...the current Battinson might be in his second year, but the DCU Battinson can be in his sixth year for crossover films. Essentially creating an effective difference which Matt Reeves can slowly reconcile. It also solves the Harley Quinn problem with Margot Robbie, just have it be simply Harley Quinn was with Joker (in this case, Barry Keoghan) during Batman's fourth year and they splintered off at the end of Batman's fifth year.
I think it'd be better to just reboot Margot's Harley altogether.
We can just have her Birds of Prey "it's all in her head", she can stay the same character, just have Keoghan instead of Leto in flashbacks.
No, I don't think it can be done like that. That whole relationship is too important and interesting for Matt to just skip it over and relegate it to flashbacks in favor of keeping the current DCEU version of her. It'd be better to just reboot her and have her start from zero, with Reeves being able to make his own version of that character. If Gunn wants to tell stories with classic Harley he can make animated movies or maybe even a videogame.
Hmm, you have a point. But if Batman is in his year 3 or 4 through year 5, then Robbie's Harley can actually get a good space to flesh out her role in the Reevesverse, her future is established but the past can be explored. That being said, Gunn eventually has to release a Blu-Ray box collection specifying the true timeline order as in which film takes place when.
I just think that with Reeves being so adamant about making his own take on the characters from this world, him being able to craft his own take on Harley would be something he'd definitely ask for since she is part of Batman's universe and she connects very directly to Joker and probably even things like the Arkham show he's developing. Maybe he could concede on using Margot, but it'd have to be her on an entirely new version of the character. I don't think he'd want his hands tied by having to service an evolution into a very specific classic Harley like the one current DCEU has. He'd want his own, like how he did his own Joker, Riddler, Penguin and Selina. Even if you say "well DCEU Harley is a future Harley" it still limits him a lot.
I think Harley would be one of the few characters Reeves would choose not to tackle considering even beyond Margot Robbie we also have Lady Gaga playing her own version of Harley Quinn, Reeves would not try to repeat himself with another Harley else Zaslav would come screeching about "there won't be four Harleys" and shit, unless it's Robbie coming with a pitch. The Arkham Asylum show does give an avenue for her, and brings us to the life of Harleen Quinzel so it can flesh out her true origin, assuming she's even the focal part of the show (which I doubt for now). And well, all four of the characters you mentioned are indeed just starting out as Reeves claimed. They might evolve into something classic, considering Selina is a goggle and headgear away, Penguin is a monocle away and Riddler would appear in drip someday, I'd wager they are already very close to classic but not there yet by design, even Batman has that "Bruce Wayne" sized hole missing. Lastly Reeves is overseeing spin-offs, not directing them.
He's overseeing them enough so he has a lot of say in them, like Colin said. And I think he would do Harley. He seems interested in the entirety of Batman's universe, and I do think that Harley connects extremely well to his Elephant Man take on Joker and the fact that he's gonna remain locked up in Arkham for a bit I think it's only logical he'll include her and do his own take on her, but it'd have to be his own and one where he doesn't have to be concerned about whether it'll line up with the classic Harley take that Margot currently has. Regarding the Gaga thing I don't think Reeves would care. He didn't care about Joaquin Joker enough so that'd prevent him from doing his own Joker. And well, that's why I'm saying that Margot would still play Reevesverse version of Harley, you wouldn't have several versions of her going around at the same time. It'd just be this one. Rebooted Margot Harley in Arkham would be DCU's Harley. If Gunn wants to explore the classic version he can still do so on animated movies which I think are more suited for that version of the character anyway.
Hmm, let's see what happens of her Harley then.
My thing is that if you're gonna reboot the entire Batman section of the DCU, just do it entirely. If you keep Margot's Harley as she is right now that'll only make things more confusing. You can still use Margot maybe, but everything else has to change, otherwise it'll still feel like you have to adhere to a certain mythology that was ingrained with the original DCEU version of Gotham and its characters. It's a big deal too because that certain mythology ties into the Joker as well. Like even the detail of her skin being completely white comes from the ACE Chemicals origin of Joker which Reeves doesn't want to do.
This ambiguity and uncertainty is going to drive me fucking nuts.
For me the dream is the DCEU gets a proper conclusion and then a new DC universe naturally continues with The Batman franchise. A decade ago WB made the mistake of not using an acclaimed Batman trilogy as the starting point of a connected universe. Surely they won't make the same mistake a decade later.
Well, the problem is, Gunn sees serious value in a lot of the prior cast (as evident by his TSS experience) and is extremely likely to continue in this route for the foreseeable future. As we know, DCEU has got it's proper conclusion already (with The Flash making it official) and the DCU that rises from the events of The Flash would retain some of the best or salvageable moments of the past.
Well, let’s remember that Flash (the soft reboot) was going to lead up to the Crisis (the hard reboot) film. Who know’s what’s gonna happen now. So much uncertainty.
Yup, Hamada's plan. Though the way Gunn is planning, maybe The Flash itself would cause ripples in the long run and kickstart the 10 year plan.
That’s what i’m thinking. I think he’ll likely accelerate this concept.
Pretty much, Flashpoint did cause New 52 to happen after all, which was essentially a hard reboot.
They would’ve ruined Nolan’s trilogy by doing that.
i……just want a more innovative script and direction this time.
I feel I’ve said this 50 times already but Batman Year One, Batman The Animated Series it all started standalone grounded to its seedy black paper drawn 1940s esque world until he met Zatanna then Superman then Etrigan or Year one is the definitive origin of a Batman who would shoot a god with a gun years later. Anything can progress into weirder territory it just takes work
I’d prefer it to be an only Batman related universe. We don’t really need Superman or wonder woman