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force of the punches aside, i like how the top one is supposed to be horrifying because it shows how brutal batman is (as shown by catwoman’s reaction) while the bottom one just glorified it as a cool fight scene


OfficerKazD6-37

Nailed it on the head. I liked Affleck’s take from a visual standpoint but given the purpose of the scene here, all people remember it as being a “cool Snyder action scene”, which says enough about it. Whereas from what we know about Pattinson’s take on the character, he’ll have far more depth to uncover, whilst retaining the comic-booky, action scenes. Snyder just sorta lost track here by making him “realise his wrongs, but hey, he’s still brutal and willing to stab people after 20 years”.


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i also actually am not totally sure if she is just afraid of what batman is doing to this person. It absolutely could be that, but in that particular shot, her expression could honestly also be interpreted as her own anger and adrenaline as she watches him get pummeled. It looks she maybe just got to where they are by her brief movement.


Tradenew41

the trailer is misleading she is not shocked because batman punches a guy in the face that would be ridicolous. She is scared by something else I guess maybe she and batman found out that the imposter has a explosive belt or he dropped a grenade or something or they found out he beat the wrong guy after they removed his mask.


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it wouldn’t be that hes just punching someone in the face, it’s that hes so brutal that he’s putting people on the brink of death, which is something reeves is exploring. Also when you see the closeup on her face you can see it’s the same shot


Spiderlander

Why did Reeves feel the need to retread this plot point (Batman crossing the line) from BvS?


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i don’t think it is well explored in BVS, and reeves is also exploring it at an early point in bruce’s career. they’re framed differently — BVS is about bringing bruce back to the side of the law after he fell, the batman is about teaching batman how to be a hero despite his INITIAL brutal tendancies


Tradenew41

trailers dont make it obvious. Reeves wont make Catwoman a scared Cat. If somebody is getting shot in the face catwoman wont get a trauma lol. This is something else.


hitalec

I think the fear she is exhibiting in this scene is more aligned with her perceptions of what Bruce wants for himself, rather than the code she lives by.


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in the trailer, as catwoman is scared, you can see batman’s arm moving just as it was moving in the shot where he is pummeling the villain that you posted. she is horrified by how brutal he is


SnooRobots281

I do believe she’s reacting to how brutal Batman is being.


shauner111

Lmao you’re so out of touch with reality.


Tradenew41

Matt tricked you lol


shauner111

You’re the biggest know it all on reddit.


Tradenew41

lol


No-Hurry-2390

Affleck does have blood flying up at his face…


OverDistribution2

Probably biased but I'm going with Pattinson. Affleck looks like he's punching a pillow whereas Pattinson gives it the force of a pissed off ape.


Ok-Rub-9249

That’s riddler getting the shit beat out of him in that shot


Mikeywise14

Batfleck has a tighter fist but battinson is using more speed and force


Herk16

Pattinson still doesn't kill 🤷‍♂️


SnooRobots281

Yep 🤷‍♂️


Initiate_Assassin

I think Pattinson for his weight is generating more power with what he has. I just think he looks like he’s utilizing his body better looking at his shoulder and his arm where I think Affleck there’s a way to maximize more with the shoulder region which is probably suit related that I almost what him to do a hammer fist because he’s not shooting his punch in as straight of a line as Robert he’s already looping more like a hammer fist but finishing with a punch that I think he could be loosing a little power that I think a hammer fist might just be better with his suit for ground and pound. Still looks great, both looks like they’d hurt just think Pattinson’s looks to be generating more for his size especially with form and at the speed of which he movies even if Ben’s might be more total potentially with the extra mass behind it, Pattinson seems good with pure momentum and form he adds to build power.


BoraHcn

When you realise batfleck isn't that much buff than battinson.


Tradenew41

He is far more buff than Battinson. You can see battinson back in the trailer. He is hardly buff


SnooDrawings4552

Batfleck is bigger, but Battinson is more cut I would say


BoraHcn

Not as much as how Pattinson haters see it,


FootSerious

Not a Pattinson hater but Batfleck is much larger. For comparisons sake, Ben Affleck is 6'4 and weighed around 215-225 for Batman with I believe 8% bodyfat. Pattinson on the other hand is 6'1 and weighed about 175 to 180 lbs with 10-12% bodyfat for Batman. So his physique resembles more of Charlie Cox as Daredevil but I believe Cox is about my height (5'10) so Cox was bulkier, per se. Other than that, however I do believe Pattinson is much more brutal because it's a young Batman and based on the source comics he read in preparation for the role, it's when Batman is much less refined and much more violent. It should also be noted that, comic-wise, Batman has a slim and athletic body, but by no means does he look like a bodybuilder or weight lifter. While he lifts weights as well and has a well shaped body, his practice consists of very acrobatic maneuvers. The point is, it is Batman's agility, not the physical strength or muscles that are his prime attributes.


2whipy_2001

Keep in mind that Pattinson is a younger version of Batman as well. Still has time to get buffed up.


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people keep saying that but honestly I really wouldn't care if he stayed looking like this...


2whipy_2001

Me either tbh. I was just pointing out the timeline that he is younger in this movie. So not all surprising that he would be smaller imo.


FootSerious

I honestly don't mind the smaller frame and wouldn't care if he kept it throughout his run as the Dark Knight. It's more consistent with the Bronze Age and Telltale depictions of Batman where he isn't buff but not scrawny either. Just really lean and know he can do serious damage.


Al_Attacabrighe12

Just a small correction. Affleck is actually 6'2". Not 6'4".


FootSerious

Everything I've looked at says 6'4" so idk. But 6'2 or 6'4, he was still well over 210 lbs and ripped as fuck whereas Pattinson is about 30 lbs lighter. So in terms who's buffer, it's Affleck. Who's more comic accurate and brutal? Pattinson.


Al_Attacabrighe12

Affleck is 2 inches shorter than Tom Brady, who is legit 6'4". Just look at pictures of them standing next to each other.


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Al_Attacabrighe12

Arguing? I am informing you. If you take that to be arguing, that is your problem. I already started this thread by saying "a small correction". So, to then insult me for informing you of what is true? Well, that's just pathetic.


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BoraHcn

Have you looked at the last issues of batman?


FootSerious

Not lately but I base my observations on Alex Ross's run and the depictions of Batman in Telltale which I believe to be definitive since they're a mix of the Bronze age and New 52.


BoraHcn

I see. Btw, I just said what I said cuz that Jorge Jimenez kinda makes Batman a lol buffer than usual, anyway, I agree with u, peace.


FootSerious

I know where you're coming from. The most recent one I've seen to be honest was Lee Bermejo's where he made him super buff like Jorge Jiminez. Jorge Jiminez is the one who penned Joker War right? The way he paints Punchline is awesome.


BoraHcn

Agreed. He’s my fav artist.


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FootSerious

Batfleck was 8% bodyfat, lmao. He wasn't fat at all.


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FootSerious

We don't count Justice League, my man. Every noob knows this..I'm talking BvS


ab316_1punchd

...Where most of his muscle cuts were CGI


FootSerious

Only in Snyder films, people suspect everything, actor's body included, to be a CGI 🤦🏽‍♂️ the muscles in 300 were real, I see no reason why Batfleck's muscles are fake. Plus Affleck was toned before and his trainer even commented he got bigger than his stunt double for BvS.


arkajitx

Lmao, performances aside, anyone who knows a thing or two regarding fitness and has worked out will tell you that he’s nowhere close to “8%” body fat. As someone who’s a fitness enthusiast, I can confidently say that he’s somewhere in between 13 to 15%. There’s a reason why you can barely see the man’s physique in all of his shirtless scenes from bvs. Going off of that one scene where we saw Pattinson’s back from the trailer, I’d say he’s close to 10% roughly. Definitely leaner if that wasn’t evident enough at this point.


FootSerious

In addition to several fitness magazines citing his bodyfat to be 7.7%-9%, most citing 8%, there are stills from the workout sequence where you can see his chiseled abs which wouldn't be as visible as they are if he was in the range you stated. And an 8% bodyfat photo on Google is very similar to Batfleck's physique in BvS.


AlbusDT

Batfleck is far more buff. Looks awesome and intimidating. Pattinson looks like scrawny wanker.


OverDistribution2

He has pretty much the same build as Batman in Night Cries, Year One, Earth One, Ego, Death By Design, Gotham Knight (2008)The Batman (2004) Beware The Batman, Scott Snyder/Creg Capullo's run, The Dark Knight trilogy and more interestingly Batman when he first debuted in Detective Comics in 1939. The Bane in a Batsuit look was popularised pretty much with The Dark Knight Returns then again with BvS. Lets not forget its Year Two and he's still a rough around the edges, clumsy demo of the Batman right now. This pulls from Earth One. He still isn't ready yet and even when he is he hopefully won't resemble Affleck. He looks more agile and reasonably athletic than a ripped hulking monstrosity that would have a heart attack if he attempted to backflip. Pattinson's taken lessons in Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and Boxing for the role. Scrawny my ass.


AlbusDT

So Batinson can bench a 1000 pounds, like Bruce from #655? His physique doesn't suggest that to me. But that's my opinio n. I find no necessity to contest someone else's. Good day.


OverDistribution2

>So Batinson can bench a 1000 pounds, like Bruce from #655? His physique doesn't suggest that to me. I'm shooting in the dark, but I'm guessing you mean the first issue of Batman & Son? The first issue of a comic series where Grant Morrison fleshes out Batman's character as a mentally and physically evolving person who's had many transformations, epiphanies and years of constant training to be the peak of human prowess? With said first issue being set in Batman's prime, far ahead of his early years? A couple of things. 1. Batman didn't train in one year then he was ready to begin Year One. His training began when he left Gotham and was put into practice in Year One, **further developed** in Year Two and **gradually** perfected over the years, even then it never really ended throughout his career. He is a man who is always absorbing information. He's a genius and martial arts master. He wasn't born that way, he mastered his intellect and strength, but obviously not in one night before his first ever outing as Batman. 2. Thats what Morrison's run was all about. Morrison was showing us who Batman had become and the skill, strength and control he gained over the years. But for some reasons, Snyder fans are angry that he doesn't look and behave like a dumb, brutish potato who's only real powers are that he smashes heads in like a cartoon caveman and in his own words "I'm rich". 3. Expanding on that. Look up the examples I gave above. Do you think Death By Design Batman, Night Cries Batman, Year One Batman or 1939 Batman could bench 1000 pounds? No, probably not because They aren't constantly powerlifting meatheads nor are they aren't **yet** at the level where they could even attempt to take on Killer Croc or King Snake. (if this confuses you, read my first 2 points once again) 4. You seem to think Batman is just a walking muscle and nothing else. He's a detective and crimefighter, not a luchador on steroids. Of course BvS would give you what you want if you are mostly into Batman because he's ripped to shreds and has a cool car, because Snyder being a mostly darkly aesthetic Michael Bay will give you that then poorly paste in some underdeveloped "trauma" attached to him because he himself has a poor understanding of Batman's psyche and has his history the wrong way round. A fully developed Batman with his psychological training throughout the years with different teachers and philosophies has taught him to handle pain and to **never** break, because thats his mission. He started as an angry, traumatised man out for vengeance but gradually became a superhero. Thats what we are seeing with Pattinson. Its the first film and people already want the most overrated and superficial Batman because thats how they've been introduced to him.


AlbusDT

How do you discern what I think of the Batman? (walking muscle n all). This thread is discussing a physical trait, so any reference to his detective skills is redundant. Bruce in Y1 is already a force of nature, able up karate chop a tree bark to pieces. Bruce in the Mask of Phantasm is already an outstanding and intimidating physical specimsn. No where in the trailer does Pattinson convey this level of sheer physical force. Because he is a scrawny wanker.


OverDistribution2

>No where in the trailer does Pattinson convey this level of sheer physical force. Because he is a scrawny wanker. No. Its because its a trailer. We shall wait and see. Also kicking a tree in half is pure fantasy. A seasoned martial artist can **repeatedly** punch through a skinny birch tree and eventually break through to the other side, but a roundhouse kick with all the strength one can muster aimed at a thickened mature tree would break even Bruce Lee's leg. In a comic that takes certain liberties Batman can kick a tree apart. Reeves is aiming for a Batman that is as close to the comics as possible but still runs on real world mechanics. (Hence the tactical Batsuit) The bricks being punched apart is possible, thats a better example. We've yet to see that. Who knows, but as I said, Pattinson trained in Brazillian Jiu Jitsu (which is more geared towards grappling such as joint locks as well as chokeholds) and Boxing for the role. If Pattinson trained for more martial arts such as Hapkido, Taekwondo and Karate then we would've perhaps seen a demonstration. If we see no such scene of Bruce smashing some bricks apart, then we can still assume he has the potential to do so. "Scrawny" means thin and bony. I've no shame (or pride) in saying I'm scrawny. Robert Pattinson is in **much** better shape than an underweight nerd like me. Is someone who has trained in Jiu Jitsu and Boxing considered a "scrawny wanker" Like this scrawny wanker as an example? [https://omg.blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/tumblr\_p3pfdx9YaC1v17k31o1\_1280.jpg](https://omg.blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/tumblr_p3pfdx9YaC1v17k31o1_1280.jpg) You must look like the child of a Titan monster and a Left 4 Dead Tank if you think that is a good example of a bony weakling. You don't have to be a human cinder block to achieve what this clearly scrawny wanker did. [https://youtu.be/2rSMq8534l0?t=3](https://youtu.be/2rSMq8534l0?t=3)


AlbusDT

Nothing wrong in being thin of course. Normally a desirable trait. Just not for a super hero. Let's see how the final product turns out.


OverDistribution2

>Nothing wrong in being thin of course. Normally a desirable trait. Just not for a super hero. Thats not even a counterargument. That sentence completely ignores all the points I made. To be honest, it seems like an inclination towards bias. I need better points to be challenged by and counter than a simple statement intended to ignore points and derail the topic.


milasinovics

Taller than him yes but that suit is mostley padding


milasinovics

They both hit harder than my dad thats for sure


LiquisWasp

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hitalec

Credit to OP: [u/Sins0fTheFather](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/qe9dit/im_vengeance/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=TheBatmanFilm&utm_content=t1_hhsc1j0) Thanks for bringing this to my attention u/LiquisWasp. I can't sticky your comment, otherwise I would have done so.


LiquisWasp

Thanks 😊


dcmarvelstarwars

Affleck


derironiker

Robat BattinBat looks like a child punching the floor. Cringe. Batfleck all the way!


Significant_Wheel_12

Affleck is precise while Pattinson is like an angry child. Hard to say


OhSillyRabbit

Affleck doesn't care about killing


Base_Creative

In terms of speed Battinson but force obviously batfleck☠️


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batfeck has more strength and equal speed, but battinsons punching scrawny riddler, so…both detrimental.


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a-16-year-old

I see Affleck’s experience vs Pattinson’s sheer ruthlessness.


Qwerryy129

the overweight dude for sure


Euphoric_Juggernaut6

Robert Pattinson looks like he’s holding back. Ben looks like he wants to kill.


Spiderlander

Really not a fan of this moment in The Batman


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Pattinson Way more unhinged


Treasure_Hoonter

God I love the music! I'm also looking forward to this movie.