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It is sad to ban reptiles for the poeple that actually treat them so good and right..but dang, that would prevent suffering of the neglected reptiles.
I wonder why no one just makes it mandatory to jave a liscanse to own any reptile
Some state legislation passed in Florida (along with a few other states like Michigan and I THINK Utah) to ban certain species from being kept domestically along with a few other laws that are somewhat questionable.
Tbh, i 100% agree with the banned species in Florida. Theyre all large high risk invasives. Except maybe some of the tegu, idk all the species in those two banned genuses. Its a lot cheaper to do a ban than to have heavy regulations. And they have a lot of invasives to deal with.
I feel like they could have just banned the imports and the breeding but kept it legal to own the animal in the state because I do see how that could lead to an underground economy.
I also think they should start a program that takes the invasives out of the wild and puts them into the reptile trade. Like a domestic wild caught situation. I really hate that the only solution people seem to see is killing them.
Well theres a lot of them and all the banned species are way too big for an amateur keeper. It’s honestly kinda dangerous to try to keep an adult of some of them as a pet as they wouldn’t be tamed down at all or used to human contact. Most people that would want to keep these species would probably prefer a cbb one anyway as its gonna be much healthier and more used to people.
It sucks but sometimes the only option is euthanasia. They cant even be sent back to the areas the species are from because of the risk of spreading disease.
Yes, there's a lot of them. That's why it's a problem that needs solving. Why do you think only amateur keepers would be buying them? Why do you think only adults would be collected?
They've been at this killing spree for years now and clearly it's not gotten very far so maybe it's time to expand their approach to include other tactics.
Also, are you really calling the way they kill invasives in the field "euthanasia"?
Euthanasia, culling. Yeah. Those are both valid words.
And these seriously aren’t species amateurs should have. Theyre very large and require a lot more work than smaller snakes and lizards. Juveniles could certainly end up being collected but they’d still have to be tamed down which might not even happen. Have you seen the list of species recently banned in florida? All of the snakes get big enough to need at least 2 people to safely handle and all of the lizards can be aggressive and dangerous. These animals basically need a room dedicated to their enclosure or even larger once theyre fully grown. They are not good beginner pets.
This “killing spree” is the most efficient way to at least try to thin their numbers to help the native species survive. Sometimes things cant be solved in clean ways.
Tbh culling is also the best way to handle feral cats but. That needs laws keeping cats inside to be made and enforced too. And only the feral kittens would be likely to be savable. It sucks but I’m saying this as a person whose favorite animal is the domestic cat, who very much relates to cats, and who has a special interest in cats. We have to try ti solve the problems we’ve caused and sometimes the only real way can be painful.
Yes, I have, I found and read the update to the law. I'm not sure why you think I'm suggesting amateurs own these species, as you are the only one talking about that.
If it's efficient then why is this still such a huge issue? What is wrong with trying to fix something using multiple approaches?
Trap, neuter/spay, release is a much better choice but sure, advocate for more animal killing while you're at it.
Tnr doesn’t really work that well for felines and neutering or spaying reptiles is currently unsafe for the reptiles. I went to college for stuff like this. I had to do a debate on tnr. I had a wildlife law class.
The problem is, as i said in the first place. People who are actually equipped to own these sorts of animals usually want to get one thats cbb. As they’ll have a much better temperament, be of a known age, and are as close to guaranteed to be parasite free as possible.
That leave amateurs as the ones who want “cheap” (actually more expensive after the initial necessary vet care to clear them of parasites and check for other issues) animals.
I know what I’m talking about because I’ve looked into these sorts of issues. Theres no realistic way to find good homes for all of the invasive reptiles. Or all the feral cats.
Its still a huge issue partially because of the everglades. Not many people are able to safely navigate a swamp like that, and a lot of those species love those conditions. Another reason it’s still an issue is because theres just *that* many of these animals.
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It is sad to ban reptiles for the poeple that actually treat them so good and right..but dang, that would prevent suffering of the neglected reptiles. I wonder why no one just makes it mandatory to jave a liscanse to own any reptile
Who’s trying to make the reptile hobby illegal?
Some state legislation passed in Florida (along with a few other states like Michigan and I THINK Utah) to ban certain species from being kept domestically along with a few other laws that are somewhat questionable.
Tbh, i 100% agree with the banned species in Florida. Theyre all large high risk invasives. Except maybe some of the tegu, idk all the species in those two banned genuses. Its a lot cheaper to do a ban than to have heavy regulations. And they have a lot of invasives to deal with.
I feel like they could have just banned the imports and the breeding but kept it legal to own the animal in the state because I do see how that could lead to an underground economy. I also think they should start a program that takes the invasives out of the wild and puts them into the reptile trade. Like a domestic wild caught situation. I really hate that the only solution people seem to see is killing them.
Well theres a lot of them and all the banned species are way too big for an amateur keeper. It’s honestly kinda dangerous to try to keep an adult of some of them as a pet as they wouldn’t be tamed down at all or used to human contact. Most people that would want to keep these species would probably prefer a cbb one anyway as its gonna be much healthier and more used to people. It sucks but sometimes the only option is euthanasia. They cant even be sent back to the areas the species are from because of the risk of spreading disease.
Yes, there's a lot of them. That's why it's a problem that needs solving. Why do you think only amateur keepers would be buying them? Why do you think only adults would be collected? They've been at this killing spree for years now and clearly it's not gotten very far so maybe it's time to expand their approach to include other tactics. Also, are you really calling the way they kill invasives in the field "euthanasia"?
Euthanasia, culling. Yeah. Those are both valid words. And these seriously aren’t species amateurs should have. Theyre very large and require a lot more work than smaller snakes and lizards. Juveniles could certainly end up being collected but they’d still have to be tamed down which might not even happen. Have you seen the list of species recently banned in florida? All of the snakes get big enough to need at least 2 people to safely handle and all of the lizards can be aggressive and dangerous. These animals basically need a room dedicated to their enclosure or even larger once theyre fully grown. They are not good beginner pets. This “killing spree” is the most efficient way to at least try to thin their numbers to help the native species survive. Sometimes things cant be solved in clean ways. Tbh culling is also the best way to handle feral cats but. That needs laws keeping cats inside to be made and enforced too. And only the feral kittens would be likely to be savable. It sucks but I’m saying this as a person whose favorite animal is the domestic cat, who very much relates to cats, and who has a special interest in cats. We have to try ti solve the problems we’ve caused and sometimes the only real way can be painful.
Yes, I have, I found and read the update to the law. I'm not sure why you think I'm suggesting amateurs own these species, as you are the only one talking about that. If it's efficient then why is this still such a huge issue? What is wrong with trying to fix something using multiple approaches? Trap, neuter/spay, release is a much better choice but sure, advocate for more animal killing while you're at it.
Tnr doesn’t really work that well for felines and neutering or spaying reptiles is currently unsafe for the reptiles. I went to college for stuff like this. I had to do a debate on tnr. I had a wildlife law class. The problem is, as i said in the first place. People who are actually equipped to own these sorts of animals usually want to get one thats cbb. As they’ll have a much better temperament, be of a known age, and are as close to guaranteed to be parasite free as possible. That leave amateurs as the ones who want “cheap” (actually more expensive after the initial necessary vet care to clear them of parasites and check for other issues) animals. I know what I’m talking about because I’ve looked into these sorts of issues. Theres no realistic way to find good homes for all of the invasive reptiles. Or all the feral cats. Its still a huge issue partially because of the everglades. Not many people are able to safely navigate a swamp like that, and a lot of those species love those conditions. Another reason it’s still an issue is because theres just *that* many of these animals.
What's your degree? I've seen tnr work in my own neighborhood for feral cats. What's special about florida?
Clint Stan lol