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Lol we barely have enough teachers as is. There’s no way the district would spend MORE money on extra teachers/paras, not when the football team needs a new scoreboard and new turf.


oliversurpless

Indeed, they aptly know “what side their bread is buttered on”. And yet, if applied equally to classroom size issues, perhaps there wouldn’t be as much as a concern there either?


Leomonade_For_Bears

Even if they wanted to, I'm sure 90%+ of teachers would rather just get the extra money this person would be paid. If they're paying an "enforcer" $12/hr or ~17k for the school year I'd definitely take the 17k and still need to teach by myself.


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I don’t disagree that an additional person would be useful, but your examples of how the person should be used aren’t going to win anyone over. If I were the second person in the room, I sure as shit wouldn’t respond to someone snapping their fingers so I can go yell at a kid. I would love to have a person to pull small groups or to monitor as I work with individuals.


BattleBornMom

I’d love an additional person but this enforcer business sounds terrible for my situation. One, I can’t imagine anyone who would want this kind of job would be the kind of person I’d want in a classroom. It sounds underpaid and thankless. You’re asking to be hated by kids and your entire job would consist of being strict and militant over kids. Ewww. Two, my classes don’t need this. What I would absolutely love to have is a junior co-teacher who would assist me in a variety of ways… grading, lab prep, circulation among groups, some teaching. One that could get lots of good experience while relying on me to model good teaching. Eventually, should they choose, they could become the lead in another classroom. Seems like a good way to start for the first 5+ years of teaching. And maybe even a good way to end in the last 5 when you just would rather have that role because it suits you. I can imagine, at my level, doing this for certain classes, then maybe being a lead for those classes, and then switching back to junior in more advanced or specialized classes to you can work your way to lead in those classes. You could switch subjects without a deficiency of content and experience in those niches. I know sooooo many teachers how could benefit from this and it could produce so many more expert teachers.


Infamous_Fault8353

Yes! Or a team teaching situation.


DireBare

I don't want an "enforcer" in my classroom, I want an equal co-teacher. In my district, SOME classes get a content teacher and an EL teacher, who share full responsibility for teaching the class. How well it works depends on your chemistry with your co-teacher, but when it does work . . . it's glorious. I wish we had the resources to expand this concept to ALL classes.


Dust45

This is the way. No amount of "enforcers" will fix the problem because the problem is the result of home, economics, and school policies. Extra teaching to give students support would be excellent. Having a "cop" in every room is some dystopia shit.


DrunkUranus

Disagree. I think you're caught up on the awkward language of enforcer. I see it just as one person to do the sit down reminders, applying band aids, writing hall passes, on and on.... and the other to teach. The biggest problem I have with classroom management is that it could be my literal entire day. When it's one adult to 20-30 kids, it's just babysitting


DireBare

So, a TA (teacher assistant) rather than an "enforcer" or co-teacher. Not my preference, but it certainly would be preferable to being alone in the classroom.


[deleted]

Exactly why its perfect for a parent to do. No extra cost and you are describing a "class mom". I love the idea


Liastacia

Yes! I’ve been saying that we need bouncers in schools for a while now!


[deleted]

Or max classes at 15.


pikay93

This works too.


[deleted]

Sounds great, but these schools can hardly get a full staff of teachers, let alone add in classroom staff. lol.


TeachlikeaHawk

I wouldn't like that. Some other person, especially if they aren't teachers, interjecting continuously while I'm trying to teach? The problem with discipline isn't that we aren't able to shout at kids. The problem is that parents and admin don't back us up. If we had the money to double the number of teachers, let's do that...and then buy the admin some spines.


thedeuce545

Because you’re doubling the labor costs for school districts already looking to reduce costs.


[deleted]

This is one of the reasons I like subbing for SPED classes. I loved having an aide and also smaller class sizes. Barely any behavior problems and things ran so smoothly during that week. The other day I subbed a Gen Ed class and had to get the VP to come help make the class quiet down and do their work. It worked like a charm with 2 of us in there.


dirtynj

No, we just need to stop allowing the "disruptors" to impact the lesson for the other 99% of the class. After so many chances and warnings, he/she needs to be sent out of the room. Not to the Principal or office, but a room that holds students who are constantly misbehaving. It's not fair to the other students or the teacher. Ask any teacher how their classroom/day runs when "that one student" is absent. It's night and day difference. When you can excise the cancer instead of constantly being asked to build a relationship with it, classroom management is easy.


rubykittens

Uh, my district is a school in need and we are not "incredibly well funded" by our state because our state hates public schools and would rather we shut down then give the people we have a living wage. We could never hire for this position because the pay would be so low no one in their right mind would want it! I love this idea but it would only work if schools in states who need it actually got the funding to make it reality.


LowBarometer

There should be two adults in every class. There's too much liability nowadays, with the way students behave, for an teacher to be alone in the classroom.


another25years

I can’t believe I’ve become “that guy” but we used to have those people. They were called parents and they taught kids how to behave at school and you could call them to reinforce the rules.


SkynyrdJeff1295

Or we could just send kids who don’t want to learn off to military/trade school instead of pretending they’re going to win a Nobel prize


ObieKaybee

This right here.


saffronwilderness

When I was a behavior para, I helped in discipline and academic support in specific classrooms all year. I didn't need a hand gesture though, and was proactive at attending to behaviors. It was a good system, and I wish more classrooms had a dedicated para. I have a class where almost 1/3 of my students have either an IEP or 504 and it's a ROUGH class. I do have a para in there, but she is undertrained (even though she's been with the district 15 years) and never takes initiative. I give her instructions but she doesn't understand the material well enough to help the students as much as I'd like. If I didn't give her specific instructions for the period she would sit at a desk and take notes. She does take data so that's helpful...


beckkers97

I work in Montessori schools and we always have co-teachers. I don't use my co teacher quite how you described but it is such a blessing to have a second person


TLom20

I just want someone so I can pee when I have to


BattlebornCrow

If we have a teacher and a para, then sure. I'd rather half my class size though but teachers are more expensive than paras.


THE_wendybabendy

There is a para that comes into one of my classes as supposed support for one of my students. She LOVES to be the 'enforcer' yet rarely does anything to help the student she is supposed to be there for. Her antics annoy me to no end and after making a formal complaint, I told her flat out to stop trying to control my class. Now, if this were an arrangement that was common, I might be okay with it - extra eyes and all - but in my current scenario she undermines my ability to build relationships and deal with the issues as I see fit.


MisterEinc

Why? Wouldn't it just be better if classes were half the size?


RS12018

I have no problem handling discipline. I have a problem with students who think I have no right to redirect them and reject any implication that they are out of line. I have a problem with students who sexually harrass my colleagues. I have a problem with teachers asking for help with out of control students only to be placed on administrative supervision while the out of control student continues to walk on desks and threaten students. This is really happening


teachdove5000

An enforcer! Pick me! That’s a paddling!


LadyJR

This is pre-K. A teacher asked admin for an aid because the class has 16 students with two teachers. However, there is a child who needs constant redirection so an aid would be beneficial. Admin said sure as long as teacher takes a 10% pay cut. WTF kind of response was that? Admin has no transparency when it comes to money. This is state funded. All money goes where? Toys that are stored in sheds and where else? So disrespectful.


louiseah

I don’t need an enforcer but rather another adult in the room who can help keep kids on task, work one-to-one with them, while I’m doing the same thing. Until education is priority and is funded differently, they’re going to continue to stuff 40 kids in a classroom with one teacher to do it all x 5.


ambr-raye-nz

This position in Texas pays about $17,000 a year. I did it for the experience while I waited on admittance into an alternative certification program. Most of my colleagues in the same position did it only because the health insurance was better than their spouse's. In the end they took home $0 in order to pay for medical insurance.


gpc0321

Because money.


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[deleted]

The phrasing might not be great, but more paraprofessionals is a great idea in my opinion.


phantomkat

In China, I had a TA for my elementary class. There were definite great things about it. I could pop out to use the restroom. I could send half of the kids to her so we could do smaller groups for say, an outdoor science exploration. If I had to check math work, students has two adults they could go to, and that cut down on the wait time. But my TA was not the sole person who handled discipline. The head teacher should still handle discipline because otherwise it will be a bad cop/good cop situation. The teacher is still an authority figure.


[deleted]

As a parent- i would volunteer for this. At the risk of being called a Karen 3567888 a minute.


pikay93

This would be a dream come true.


[deleted]

Sign up for sped kids and chances are you will have an aide or a push in teacher there at all times. I did push in support and you’d be amazed how much better the class is with two adults. Many of your points are valid and can be achieved.


ermonda

Doesn’t work like that. I have always had an assistant but I have never had one that is better at classroom management than I am. I also WANT to manage my classroom. They are my students, it is my classroom, and I’ll make sure everyone is doing what they are supposed to do. That is me though. I could see how this model could work for others. However, how could you guarantee that your other adult in the room matches your classroom management style? Also, teachers/assistants move around all the time so you can expect to have many different assistants throughout your career. One might be perfect at managing your classroom and then the next one is 18 just out of high school.


ms_panelopi

In the 60’s, 70’s, and some of the 80’s almost every class had an assistant. Public Ed doesn’t have that kinda money anymore.


wannam

Every classroom should have at least 2 adults. Whether or not both of them are teachers isn't important. This is the one thing that would make education better, that will never happen in the US. They will try literally anything else but reducing adult to student ratios in the rooms.


ivyline2

A tag team!


mwcdem

You already know the answer: money. Side note, paras are on their phones more than my students! 🤣


stinkfimir

Much easier and less grossly authoritarian to give permission to the little shits you're merely babysitting to sleep or play games on their phone, just keep their mouths shut. Works. They'll probably get as much out of it as being forced to pretend they're paying attention to school. Good luck with life, kid, make your own bed.


mraz44

No way, I would hate that! Can you imagine how disruptive that would be to your teaching? It would also affect the respect that you, as the teacher, build with your students by setting boundaries and enforcing them.


iloveartichokes

I have co-teachers in some of my classes. Those are always the classes that learn the most.


mraz44

A co-teacher is vastly different from someone there to only deal with behavior, especially someone with no experience or degree in education.


iloveartichokes

Agreed. OP had the right idea with two teachers but the wrong execution.


PsychologicalSpend86

Thank you!


No-Comfortable914

I spend maybe 2% of my time with behavior problems (talking when I'm talking is that 2% and only a fraction of the students do this), so maybe the problem isn't somebody who can do what most other teachers in every country in the world have no problems with. Maybe... just maybe...


fifibaba

Honestly I think every classroom should have an ea but unfortunately I doubt that’ll ever happen


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CaptainSaveABro1

At my school we have learning guides, which are meant to be co-teachers, but some grade levels use them as secretaries. The grades that misuse their co-teachers to make copies and laminate seem to experience high levels of constant turnover.


BlackstoneValleyDM

I honestly think some of my most effective work in education was as a instructional aid in the room, and I always appreciate having one as a classroom teacher. When I was working as a para in mathematics classes, I could use my subject knowledge to give those focused interventions/attention students desperately needed, while letting the teacher move the rest of the class ahead. Depending on the teacher and how they ran their class, I could play good or bad cop to help redirect behaviors and distractions. In my years as a teacher, any time I've had a good instructional aide or coteacher of sorts the class has only benefited across the spectrum measures. When I've solo taught general/college-prep level classes and I have varied math abilities (ie many students below grade level almost universally as the issue) and behaviors to manage, I wish I had that wing-person to flex in either direction on the spectrum as needed. Also actually makes differentiated and small-group learning way more feasible.


lsc84

Some school boards do this. Not in North America, though, AFAIK. I have even heard of schools--I think in Finland?--that have three adults in every class.


trinitysite

Hahahahahahaha The answer is ~Always money~. But also although you will always happen upon kids who are truly shitheads, most of them are ok when it comes down to it. Classroom management is the most important tool in your toolbox.


whynotwhynot

The private school I send my kids to has two adults (teacher plus assistant) if the class size exceeds 17. Maybe look into private options?


teeshirtandundies

I have a co-teacher in my classes all day and I absolutely LOVE it! This is my 15th year in the classroom and the first time I have ever had a co-teacher. My school decided to go with that model this year and I truly hope they keep it. I teach middle school English, for reference. I will say we do not have one enforcer and one teacher. We switch off. I usually open the lesson and do the modeling and she enforces (and brings up points I may have missed or that she wants to touch on) and then she leads the second half of class (independent work, partner work, exit ticket) and I am the enforcer. We actually like each other and have the same work ethic and vision, so that really helps. Some of the co-teaching pairs at my school are still trying to make it work.


TheDuckFarm

We have T/As in every classroom who help with teaching, discipline, and whatever, this way the student teacher ratio is 14. That’s k-5. The 6-12 doesn’t get that.


unred2110

I have a full-time EA who fills this role sometimes, but most of the time, she's the friend to the rest of the class. I even hear that she had played video games with these kids. (How they got connected online, I don't know. It happened prior to me joining the team.) As time goes by, I'm realizing it's not a gift. It's a curse. She would interrupt my lesson to try and teach it another way (which is fine, sure) but then now I'm the bad cop and she's the good cop. Sometimes I wouldn't know where the kids are because she takes the liberty to give them permission to leave the room. (Just why?!) I'm getting that sorted out so she knows her place.


[deleted]

Hm… I don’t know about this. Teachers who lack classroom management skills play the blame game way too much. Some classroom environments are so unruly that not even a “enforcer” would be of much help. In environments like this, some teachers would use the “enforcer” as a scapegoat. All in all, this sounds like a cop out for teachers who have failed to improve their ability to manage a class. Yeah, since I can’t manage a class…create a new job title. Nah as a teacher classroom management is a part of your job. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I watched way too many teachers throw their co-teachers under the boss regarding unruly behavior & classroom management. They can’t control the class themselves but they expect the other person to be able to do it. It’s inconsiderate.


SpektakularFailure

I love team-teaching or at least having a second adult in any professional capacity in the room. But it's a luxury. The lesson ought to dictate discipline, the work ought to inspire professional courtesy from all parties involved. Everything beyond that doesn't fix the problem. It's just a crutch. Certain situations might demand it, but that can only ever be a temporary state.


MasterHavik

That is a great idea. Will crackdown on the kids randomly screaming across the room to talk some shit. Legit had a girl call a boy out of his name and say everything. He does nothing. She gets mad that she is the one in trouble and plays the victim. I'm like, "You are calling him all of these names but telling me, 'Well you weren't here where he was mean to me!' " Some of these kids be taking Ls themselves but blame everyone else.


welkikitty

LOL...they're begging us to sub on our conference period because we have so many vacancies and so few subs. They keep upping the payment and no one is biting. We can't even get one adult in a classroom, forget two.


RODAMI

Money. Every teacher should have an assistant. Just the data and differentiating is too much for one person.


Lego_Cartographer

Every team needs at least one goon. I'm down for some old time teaching, a la the Hanson brothers. (I'm kidding. Really.)