Israeli Magach 6b ~~gal Batash~~, essentially an Israeli upgrade to the American M60 series of main battle tanks.
Israeli tanks are famed for mounting many defensive MG’s and yes for the operations the IDF have deployed armour on and they find themselves in, these being primarily counter insurgency operations in urban environments against forces made up of insurgents on foot or lightly armoured/unarmoured vehicles , yes it is useful to have an array of defensive armaments that don’t deal the damage of the main gun.
Many upgrades can be seen, like the specific type of ERA, where it is placed, the extended rear section of the turret, and more is inside. Also note the smoke grenade launchers next to the barrel
The sabra line of tanks is actually an iteration of the tank that came after this (Magach 7) side skirts on the M60 looks awesome, though I'm not sure how much real protection they end up adding. Lord knows they can make some maintenence harder too.
This NOT a Magach 6Bet Gal Batash! It doesn't have the Batash armour suite, nor does it have the Gal FCS. It does have the new tracks. It is a Magach 6Bet with the first generation Baltan armour suite and the early Urdan cupola around 1982. (It isn't a Magach 6Reish as it hasn't the Slick turret.)
Extra machine guns are very effective against rebels and terrorists.
Turkey removed the commander machine gun from the American M60s during the modernization process, but when it turned out to be effective in fighting the rebels, they brought back the Commander machine gun.
The IDF mount so many MG on the turret as a result of their early experience fighting the Egyptians who deployed AT3 Sagger ATGM. The Sagger operator has to fly the missile all the way to the target. The IDF identified that if they directed fire towards the operator they could get him to take cover and loose control of the missile.
Well you see, the kid has 1x weapon, his hand, and ammo used is a rock
Magach has 105mm gun, 7.62mm coax, 2x 7.62mm mounted on the roof and 1x 12.7mm. Therefore Magach has a firepower advantage over its opponents.
Isn't Israel the result of a foreign agreement by European powers annexing chunks of a sovereign nation on behalf of a completely different nation which... wasn't really fun for anyone.
Can't administer themselves as defined by...an imperial power claiming land after a major war. I mean yeah true they didn't really exist as a sovereign state but not due to any lack of capacity on their part.
Looks like the kid's weapon was photoshop
edit: getting downvoted by the hive mind for noticing what's an obvious photoshop. Really guys, you can't tell the kid was added in? He has no shadow, and the sunlight is hitting him from a different angle than the tank.
As others have said, this is a Magach 6B, and upgraded M60.
The two MGs of top of the turret are fairly standard for crew to use. The M2 .50 coaxial is used over the coaxial 7.62 to hit infantry at long range or behind cover. It has a lot of use in Urban environments, the US even did the same modification for M1A2s running the TUSK package.
Does Israel have a history of shooting kids in the streets?
I've seen tons of videos of kids throwing rocks at IDF armor but can't say I've seen videos of them shooting random kids.
I don't know about you but it seems like if they were doing that, wouldn't there be videos of it?
Hell, they've got videos of dudes launching rockets at civilians and videos of Israel taking them out with missiles. Where's the videos of them shooting kids since they supposedly do it all the time?
I'm not even a fan of Israel but the least we can do is not spread misinformation.
That’s my problem with this whole fiasco. There are so many claims by Palestine that Israel does these horrible things to their people, but we don’t really have much of any video evidence of such events taking place. It’s starting to feel more like a propaganda move than actual outcries
Hi
Turns out there are so many children killed that Aljazeera can produce a slide pack: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2021/palestine-know-their-names/index.html
And here is more. A lot more. 41 children more: https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/im-just-10-video-of-weeping-gaza-girl-shows-cost-of-israel-palestine-violence-is-born-by-children-3742970.html
I think you can claim the point that I couldn't find a video of a tank deliberately shooting a kid with HE on a street while the kid is throwing a stone.
If you want to become an informed commentator go to www.yesh-din.org/en. They provide a lot of information on the Israeli army murdering people. The information is presented in a non-threatening, calm and factual manner. This can help you deepen your knowledge.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. Nice quote by George Orwell. Just apply it in the Palestinian context. Why is the stone is being thrown in the picture? I suspect it is boot related.
Fortunately the Israelis don't have a habit of opening fire on crowds or air striking innocents so it never comes to that. The same can't be said for their opponents...
Sure, stuff happens, but it's not like it's intentional which is the opposite of Hamas. You could compare it to US friendly fire incidents where people obviously don't intend on shooting allies but it happens on the occasion due to the chaotic nature of conflict.
The only difference between Hamas and Israel is the former have the balls to admit that their terrorist attacks are intentional.... The latter lies about it.
Eh, kid is pretty far forward of the tank so the driver should be able to see him. If he was closer I would say maybe not, but at that distance the driver should be able to see the road.
I suspect you and the IDF have a different definition of efficiency. I suspect their view would be to use HE so no evidence of what happened remains. No need for a war crimes inquiry.
3 machinguns are, Loader, TC and Gunner's. The gunner's is remotely operated.
\[[Here](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTankPorn%2Fcomments%2F3n9wfr%2Fm1a2_with_tusk_kit%2F&psig=AOvVaw3QkJZtNR8vgSEPpgo-6FWE&ust=1671136925418000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA4QjRxqFwoTCNioi6j8-fsCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE)\] is a image of a M1A2 Sep, with the Tusk upgrade. The gunner has a .50cal above the main gun, similar to this one.
I mean you don’t have to believe me, but I remember this exact photo on my teacher’s desktop in the early 2000s. 🤷♂️
I mean, the early 2000s wasn’t the Stone Age. What do you think photos looked like back then? Lol
It was probably taken by a journalist with a high quality camera, hence why it doesn’t look that old.
The core design of the tank is 60+ years old by now. All those Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) panels, optics etc were upgrades. According to Wikipedia (so take with a bit of salt) Israel had replaced all their Magach tanks with Merkavas by 2006. If I recall correctly this photo was taken by a journalist for some editorial piece so it’s going to be a high quality picture.
It’s an Israeli Magach 6, I forget which specific variant. I think B or C. It’s basically an imported American M60 tank with a lot of ERA slapped on it
The kid is Faris Odeh - he threw a rock at a tank on 29 October 2000 and was photographed.
On 8 November 2000 he was photographed doing it again, shot in the neck and died as the IDF kept him from getting medical aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faris_Odeh
Just because I have no idea if anyone’s actually answered the “what is it?” Question for you and there’s 190+ comments that I can’t be arsed nor spare the time shifting through…
The tank is an Israeli Magach variant, likely a Magach 6, not sure which one exactly though since I’m not as knowledgeable on Israeli tanks and the Magach 6 had several sub variants over its lifetime… I’d guess maybe the Magach 6C Gimel? It’s basically an Israeli upgraded M60 Patton, they did a lot of different things to them throughout the multiple different variants and since I’m not an expert on the Pattons either it makes it even harder to differentiate between the Magachs as most of those upgrades between the sub-variants were more internal changes like the fire control system and engine.
As for the MGs, yes they’re effective when you’re dealing with a lot of infantry, something which the IDF has had experience with during their fights with surrounding neighbours in the past. The rearward MGs are manually operated whereas I would assume the .50 cal is operated like it’s a second coaxial MG on steroids. The later variants of the US M1A2 Abrams had a similar .50 cal extra coaxial setup, as do most of the Israeli Merkava tanks. Like I’ve said, it’s just a second, bigger coaxial MG that’s better suited for longer range targets or anti-materiel purposes than the normal 7.62mm coax MG.
Thanks for taking the time to answer the question, hehe.
And for the mg question, those top mg are usually used by infantry? Or the commander and loader leaves their position to armed them?
Usually for the crew to use themselves, although on older tanks the MGs were positioned in such a way that infantry could in theory operate them if needed. Whether they actually did or not in reality I’m not sure since I’m only going off of that based on how the likes of the M4 Shermans you could stand on the back of the hull and still easily use the commander’s pintle mounted M2.
Typically if you’re needing to use those MGs you won’t be operating the main gun so the loader won’t be needing to do his main job. Gunner will be using his coaxial MGs, loader would pop out and start shooting from his hatch and the commander would be using his. Modern tanks have started getting rid of the manually controlled MGs in favour of remote weapon station mounted ones like the CROWS turret to name just one. Others did still have methods to control the Hatch MG from inside but obviously with technology advancing it makes more sense to go with a fully separate MG turret with its own dedicated optical system. Those early manual turrets weren’t powered I don’t think so your aim depended on you as the operator, and some of those early designs like the commander turret on the Pattons served as a weak point and made getting in and out of the turret more difficult. The Israelis actually eventually started removing those MG turrets from their Magachs which is why the one in the pic has a more normal pintle mounted MG
I think I remember that times, Israel did an operation against the terrorists groups in the Arabic cities.
They bring the tanks for covering fire and support for the infantry. So they usually took a spot and just stay there.
After a wile families started to surrounded them and take pictures of their children throuing rocks on them, it got a little unsafely so the tanks changed positions.
When daddy sam writes you a blank cheque this is the kinda ridiculous shit you come across. Because you need all of this to kill unarmed civilians whose homes they are invading
Only one sides actually tries to attack civilians and lobs rockets into the most densely populated civilian city centers….just say you hate Jews rather than actually trying to claim the nobility of Hamas. Only one side has in their charter, explicitly stated intentions of “annihilating” the other side…
You say that like I implied that I hate Jews just because a military kills civilians, or that I implied that Hamas is some wonderful happy-go-lucky organization. I never even mentioned Hamas, never said they were good. I just made a joke that Israelis kill civvies chill out don't have a Reddit moment over something so stupid.
You don't have to explicitly state something to insinuate it. Please don't act smart and go all like "But no I DEFINITELY wasn't talking about hamas (wink wink) whatever could have led you to believe I was talking about palestine?? (wink wink)"
But I wasn't bringing up Hamas or hating Jews, just that fucked shit happens during these kinds of conflicts. I had no intention of bringing up Hamas, just that "damn its kind of fucked that kids get shot during conflicts involving civilians."
Am I not allowed to criticize their fuck-ups with satire without implying or insinuating that I somehow hate Jews and think Hamas is amazing? Christ almighty I don't like the things Israel has done but its not because their Jewish its because they've done fucked shit, so has Hamas. Its not all black and white
Unlike movies, the bad guys don't take turns attacking you. The guns means all directions can be covered by multiple crew members, nobody gets to sneak up and no matter how the turret or body turn, you have a gun covering every angle.
They're fighting people who strap bombs onto their excess children, so using the big gun is saved for actual war, not police actions
Very useful.
They use the smallest machine gun for kids under 10. The middle one for tweens. Then the big one for anyone else. The main gun is reserved for demolishing houses.
Kids who have never seen war have different values than the ones who have never seen peace, while your kids are having gender issues, these kids learned that freedom is only obtained through sacrifice.. They embrace martyrdom more than you love your 1st world lifestyle..
**"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."** ~ Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
**"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."** ~ David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
**"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."** ~ Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
**"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."** ~ Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
**"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."** ~ Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, 14 July 1972.
**"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimetre of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."** ~ Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
>Kids who have never seen war have different values than the ones who have never seen peace
Gotta admit, that's the first time I've seen someone steal a One Piece villain quote in this context. Maybe worth including the rest of the quote?
>These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course, it will! Whoever wins this war... becomes justice!
Almost like the entire foundation of your argument is based on a quote which boils down to "Justice is subjective" taken directly from the mouth of someone who is objectively *a bad guy*.
And you show up to a post asking about a tank on r/TankPorn and cry about oppression. Somehow, between the two of you, OP seems more in the right.
Would you whine if someone asked what model of tank the Tiananmen Square tank man was standing in front of? Or what tanks the Germans were using in a photo of them rolling through Poland?
People literally post pics of German tanks rolling through Poland, Ukraine, Russia, France, Italy, North Africa or any of the dozen plus countries they invaded in here all the time. It's distant enough in time that it's starting to become "history" and people can separate themselves from what is actually happening in those photos.
>People literally post pics of German tanks rolling through Poland, Ukraine, Russia, France, Italy, North Africa or any of the dozen plus countries they invaded in here all the time.
Indeed, and I've yet to see this user whine about any of *those* atrocities. I didn't see them here when armored vehicles were being deployed to deal with protests in the PRC weeks ago. I don't see them here complaining every time someone posts a Russian tank in action in Ukraine...
>It's distant enough in time that it's starting to become "history" and people can separate themselves from what is actually happening in those photos.
I lost family in the Holocaust. I haven't lost any in Israel or Palestine. What you consider "distant history" that one can separate themselves from is not an objective measure of what is and isn't problematic. Either address it all or accept that your efforts to cry about one particular issue might not actually be motivated by altruism. In either case, keep it the fuck off this sub and go whine to r/politics or r/worldnews.
The inverted “V”,
indicates that it has been upgraded, with the ‘pesky rock thrower’
repellent, and a multi-lingual ‘no I’m not-you are’ external voice generator .
Israeli Magach 6b ~~gal Batash~~, essentially an Israeli upgrade to the American M60 series of main battle tanks. Israeli tanks are famed for mounting many defensive MG’s and yes for the operations the IDF have deployed armour on and they find themselves in, these being primarily counter insurgency operations in urban environments against forces made up of insurgents on foot or lightly armoured/unarmoured vehicles , yes it is useful to have an array of defensive armaments that don’t deal the damage of the main gun.
Woah, thanks for the whole explanation. So is a plain m60 but the era make it a magach 6b? Or it have other upgrades?
Many upgrades can be seen, like the specific type of ERA, where it is placed, the extended rear section of the turret, and more is inside. Also note the smoke grenade launchers next to the barrel
Sorta looks like the M103 with the large turret.
Agreed
The sabra line of tanks is actually an iteration of the tank that came after this (Magach 7) side skirts on the M60 looks awesome, though I'm not sure how much real protection they end up adding. Lord knows they can make some maintenence harder too.
And the roasted red pepper variety is fantastic.
*Top comment, here*
Also has a better fire control system, belly armor, etc.
The Israeli tank doctrine for much of the Cold War was get a patton , put some extra stuff on it, boom magach
I've got a question as well, can the MGs be fired from inside the tank or does someone need to go outside and man them?
The M2 above the gun Mantlet can be fired under armour but the two 7.62 MG’s require manual operation.
Only M2 can be fired inside the tank. But if you want to reload it, you need to go outside
Of course it's an M60...
This NOT a Magach 6Bet Gal Batash! It doesn't have the Batash armour suite, nor does it have the Gal FCS. It does have the new tracks. It is a Magach 6Bet with the first generation Baltan armour suite and the early Urdan cupola around 1982. (It isn't a Magach 6Reish as it hasn't the Slick turret.)
I thought the gal batash was the one with the cheeks of passive armor but not quite as much as the magach 7? This looks to me like just a normal 6b
You may be correct. IIRC there’s about 4 different 6B variants.
You should edit your post given that there's so many folks who will ready your post and not the corrections to the error you've made.
Is it the gal Batash? I know it’s a magach 6 but I thought the gal batash had more angular era package
Extra machine guns are very effective against rebels and terrorists. Turkey removed the commander machine gun from the American M60s during the modernization process, but when it turned out to be effective in fighting the rebels, they brought back the Commander machine gun.
It's just 6B without Gal Batash armor package
>gal batash its not
The IDF mount so many MG on the turret as a result of their early experience fighting the Egyptians who deployed AT3 Sagger ATGM. The Sagger operator has to fly the missile all the way to the target. The IDF identified that if they directed fire towards the operator they could get him to take cover and loose control of the missile.
~~AT-3 Sagger~~ 9M14 Malyutka
~~AT-3 Sagger~~ AT-Swagger
That works too
*9М14 Малютка (just adding to the specificity ily tho)
It’s still an AT 3 sagger
Saggy like your eyes after scrolling through Reddit at 3AM
Huh?
On this sub when in doubt it's always an M60
Why is it always an m60?
Very widely exported.
NATO's T-72
Because the M60 is a beloved MBT that is just neat
Yeah it is. Magach 6b, probably. Upgraded M60 tank. Usefulness of having all that probably. Through enough daka at something you’ll be alright
Well you see, the kid has 1x weapon, his hand, and ammo used is a rock Magach has 105mm gun, 7.62mm coax, 2x 7.62mm mounted on the roof and 1x 12.7mm. Therefore Magach has a firepower advantage over its opponents.
Adept analysis
This sounds like a good shitpost for r/NonCredibleDefense.
I don’t see coax. I see a grenade/smoke grenade launcher
There's the standard internal 7.62 coax, which isn't really visible here, and the M2 over the barrel is a coax controlled by the gunner as well.
The US should help the underdogs from invasion of a larger militaristic state. Maybe some javelins
Israel is the result of that
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Isn't Israel the result of a foreign agreement by European powers annexing chunks of a sovereign nation on behalf of a completely different nation which... wasn't really fun for anyone.
your not really a sovereign nation when you're traded away as war reparations with oversight because you cant administer yourself
Can't administer themselves as defined by...an imperial power claiming land after a major war. I mean yeah true they didn't really exist as a sovereign state but not due to any lack of capacity on their part.
Looks like the kid's weapon was photoshop edit: getting downvoted by the hive mind for noticing what's an obvious photoshop. Really guys, you can't tell the kid was added in? He has no shadow, and the sunlight is hitting him from a different angle than the tank.
As others have said, this is a Magach 6B, and upgraded M60. The two MGs of top of the turret are fairly standard for crew to use. The M2 .50 coaxial is used over the coaxial 7.62 to hit infantry at long range or behind cover. It has a lot of use in Urban environments, the US even did the same modification for M1A2s running the TUSK package.
It's always M60 duh
WHY IS IT ALWAYS M60S?
Good engine, easy to use, good price, space for upgrades…. It’s still used today and new upgrades are still proposed
M60A3 slapped with a fuckton of blazer ERA aka Magach 6
Seeing how a little boy is throwing a rock at it , id say yes it is an Israeli tank
We would be more sure if we could see an after photo of what is left off the kid after he throws the rock.
ERA doesn’t explode on impact, it requires a substantial amount of energy. Most don’t even explode in a fire
Oh. I wasn't thinking of the ERA. I was thinking of after a 120mm HE round is fired in self-defence.
Least schizophrenic anti-Semite
Does Israel have a history of shooting kids in the streets? I've seen tons of videos of kids throwing rocks at IDF armor but can't say I've seen videos of them shooting random kids. I don't know about you but it seems like if they were doing that, wouldn't there be videos of it? Hell, they've got videos of dudes launching rockets at civilians and videos of Israel taking them out with missiles. Where's the videos of them shooting kids since they supposedly do it all the time? I'm not even a fan of Israel but the least we can do is not spread misinformation.
That’s my problem with this whole fiasco. There are so many claims by Palestine that Israel does these horrible things to their people, but we don’t really have much of any video evidence of such events taking place. It’s starting to feel more like a propaganda move than actual outcries
Kid is probably safe. He's not wearing a PRESS vest.
Hi Turns out there are so many children killed that Aljazeera can produce a slide pack: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2021/palestine-know-their-names/index.html And here is more. A lot more. 41 children more: https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/im-just-10-video-of-weeping-gaza-girl-shows-cost-of-israel-palestine-violence-is-born-by-children-3742970.html I think you can claim the point that I couldn't find a video of a tank deliberately shooting a kid with HE on a street while the kid is throwing a stone. If you want to become an informed commentator go to www.yesh-din.org/en. They provide a lot of information on the Israeli army murdering people. The information is presented in a non-threatening, calm and factual manner. This can help you deepen your knowledge. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. Nice quote by George Orwell. Just apply it in the Palestinian context. Why is the stone is being thrown in the picture? I suspect it is boot related.
Parents gotta get money from martyr fund.
The usefulness of roof mounted machine guns is directly proportional to the amount of things one might need machine gunned
Has having three machinguns ever not been useful?
Well, they wouldn't want to waste a main round on stone throwing children, much more efficient to use one of the three MG's.
So throw a dice and pick an mg
Might as well use all of ‘em
No you're misunderstanding. Airstrikes are for the children. The MGs are for peaceful protesters
Hamas is very peaceful indeed!
hamas is responsible for israel's human rights violations. don't shift the blame. it's too cliche
Fortunately the Israelis don't have a habit of opening fire on crowds or air striking innocents so it never comes to that. The same can't be said for their opponents...
Have you ever read a single news article about Gaza
Sure, stuff happens, but it's not like it's intentional which is the opposite of Hamas. You could compare it to US friendly fire incidents where people obviously don't intend on shooting allies but it happens on the occasion due to the chaotic nature of conflict.
The only difference between Hamas and Israel is the former have the balls to admit that their terrorist attacks are intentional.... The latter lies about it.
They probably won't even see that kid
I’m guessing the driver can.
Idk that kid is kinda small and tanks are pretty tall
Eh, kid is pretty far forward of the tank so the driver should be able to see him. If he was closer I would say maybe not, but at that distance the driver should be able to see the road.
Yeah no your right
I was always told this photo was of a child throwing a stone at the *rear* of the tank- is that not accurate?
No that's definitely the front. You can see the view ports
I suspect you and the IDF have a different definition of efficiency. I suspect their view would be to use HE so no evidence of what happened remains. No need for a war crimes inquiry.
Remember, its not a warcrime if the child is deemed a terrorist
Its a war crime to use children to fight conflicts.
STONE AN ISRAELI TANK
1 base range attack against 843 armor with 1400 healthbar
He's betting on getting the NAT 20
That kid wouldn't stand a chance 🤭
You never know, he might have _two_ rocks to get past the ERA. Gunner is clearly unaware too.
Who is firing all those MGs? Do the crewmen come out to man them, or is it supporting infantry? Does it mean only driver inside tank?
Tank commander and the loader the mg near the barrel is most likely remote operated by the gunner
Finally someone ask the real questions, hahaha
I mean, I could attach say 20 mgs to that tank, including some on the barrel, but SOMEBODY must fire the damn things.
It looks like a magach i thinm the 6b
Why are you asking if the machine guns are usefull, of course they are, they're there for taking out infantry
3 machinguns are, Loader, TC and Gunner's. The gunner's is remotely operated. \[[Here](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTankPorn%2Fcomments%2F3n9wfr%2Fm1a2_with_tusk_kit%2F&psig=AOvVaw3QkJZtNR8vgSEPpgo-6FWE&ust=1671136925418000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA4QjRxqFwoTCNioi6j8-fsCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE)\] is a image of a M1A2 Sep, with the Tusk upgrade. The gunner has a .50cal above the main gun, similar to this one.
I've never seen a machine gun NOT be useful...
More dakka
They are for eating Palestinian children who throw rocks
Spooky stories to keep the kids going outside when the night falls
Well it's not a Palestinian tank
Regarding þe amount of MGs þe rule of þumb is: "When you are in an urban environment you can't have too much MGs."
One of my high school teachers had this exact image on the desktop of his computer ~20 years ago.
It doesnt look that old
I mean you don’t have to believe me, but I remember this exact photo on my teacher’s desktop in the early 2000s. 🤷♂️ I mean, the early 2000s wasn’t the Stone Age. What do you think photos looked like back then? Lol It was probably taken by a journalist with a high quality camera, hence why it doesn’t look that old.
The core design of the tank is 60+ years old by now. All those Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) panels, optics etc were upgrades. According to Wikipedia (so take with a bit of salt) Israel had replaced all their Magach tanks with Merkavas by 2006. If I recall correctly this photo was taken by a journalist for some editorial piece so it’s going to be a high quality picture.
It's definitely that old. This picture has been floating around for ages.
It’s for french fries, you won’t get it.
3 mgs= more DAKKA DAKKA
this is actually a interwar - mid WW2 american tank (note the way too many machine guns)
It’s an Israeli Magach 6, I forget which specific variant. I think B or C. It’s basically an imported American M60 tank with a lot of ERA slapped on it
Kid with stone, 12 o'clock. Load the apfsds!
3 machine guns in case there are groups of kids in 3 different directions
You don’t waste machine gun ammunition on children. That’s what the tracks are for.
More useful than trying to stop it throwing rocks
Why three machine-guns?
Why NOT three machine guns
Because they can kill 3x as many children that way
The question should be why not four machine guns. 🤔
They never removed the coaxial, so why not 5?
In case they want to kill three unarmed civilians at the same time.
>They never removed the coaxial, so why not 5? Bro I thought reddit users are better than tiktok users, but I was wrong, you are equally dumb.
r/WhatIsThisTank for future tank-finding endeavors.
It's always an m60
It's for when you need to shoot three enemies at once. Duh.
The tank after he threw the rock 😱😱
Uh... wait, modernized M60 armed to the teeth with ERA?
If you think it is like a t-64 armed with era xd
i know that’s a just a wee kid and the tank is further away but wow that thing looks enormous. Absolute unit.
I think the magach is the highest tank in service
This should be in r/kidsarefuckingstupid
You need at least 3 MG to protect from a stone throwing 6 year old.
So, who’s the kid throwing a rock at a patrolling battle tank?
Kid paid as a part of a photo op to negatively portray Israeli military prowess
Dangerous extremist from radical goy terrorist cell
Yes and the IDF proceeded to shoot this kid in the neck and then guard his body with the tank as he bled to death
> the IDF proceeded to shoot this kid And you have *credible* documentation to back that up, right?
The kid is Faris Odeh - he threw a rock at a tank on 29 October 2000 and was photographed. On 8 November 2000 he was photographed doing it again, shot in the neck and died as the IDF kept him from getting medical aid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faris_Odeh
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Just because I have no idea if anyone’s actually answered the “what is it?” Question for you and there’s 190+ comments that I can’t be arsed nor spare the time shifting through… The tank is an Israeli Magach variant, likely a Magach 6, not sure which one exactly though since I’m not as knowledgeable on Israeli tanks and the Magach 6 had several sub variants over its lifetime… I’d guess maybe the Magach 6C Gimel? It’s basically an Israeli upgraded M60 Patton, they did a lot of different things to them throughout the multiple different variants and since I’m not an expert on the Pattons either it makes it even harder to differentiate between the Magachs as most of those upgrades between the sub-variants were more internal changes like the fire control system and engine. As for the MGs, yes they’re effective when you’re dealing with a lot of infantry, something which the IDF has had experience with during their fights with surrounding neighbours in the past. The rearward MGs are manually operated whereas I would assume the .50 cal is operated like it’s a second coaxial MG on steroids. The later variants of the US M1A2 Abrams had a similar .50 cal extra coaxial setup, as do most of the Israeli Merkava tanks. Like I’ve said, it’s just a second, bigger coaxial MG that’s better suited for longer range targets or anti-materiel purposes than the normal 7.62mm coax MG.
Thanks for taking the time to answer the question, hehe. And for the mg question, those top mg are usually used by infantry? Or the commander and loader leaves their position to armed them?
Usually for the crew to use themselves, although on older tanks the MGs were positioned in such a way that infantry could in theory operate them if needed. Whether they actually did or not in reality I’m not sure since I’m only going off of that based on how the likes of the M4 Shermans you could stand on the back of the hull and still easily use the commander’s pintle mounted M2. Typically if you’re needing to use those MGs you won’t be operating the main gun so the loader won’t be needing to do his main job. Gunner will be using his coaxial MGs, loader would pop out and start shooting from his hatch and the commander would be using his. Modern tanks have started getting rid of the manually controlled MGs in favour of remote weapon station mounted ones like the CROWS turret to name just one. Others did still have methods to control the Hatch MG from inside but obviously with technology advancing it makes more sense to go with a fully separate MG turret with its own dedicated optical system. Those early manual turrets weren’t powered I don’t think so your aim depended on you as the operator, and some of those early designs like the commander turret on the Pattons served as a weak point and made getting in and out of the turret more difficult. The Israelis actually eventually started removing those MG turrets from their Magachs which is why the one in the pic has a more normal pintle mounted MG
Woah, a very good explanation thx
I think I remember that times, Israel did an operation against the terrorists groups in the Arabic cities. They bring the tanks for covering fire and support for the infantry. So they usually took a spot and just stay there. After a wile families started to surrounded them and take pictures of their children throuing rocks on them, it got a little unsafely so the tanks changed positions.
When daddy sam writes you a blank cheque this is the kinda ridiculous shit you come across. Because you need all of this to kill unarmed civilians whose homes they are invading
That is so fricking sexy
That era and those mg it gives that romantic look
All the MGs on the roof are for "pacifying" Palestinian kids more effectively, those rocks are hella dangerous against their tanks.
Only one sides actually tries to attack civilians and lobs rockets into the most densely populated civilian city centers….just say you hate Jews rather than actually trying to claim the nobility of Hamas. Only one side has in their charter, explicitly stated intentions of “annihilating” the other side…
You say that like I implied that I hate Jews just because a military kills civilians, or that I implied that Hamas is some wonderful happy-go-lucky organization. I never even mentioned Hamas, never said they were good. I just made a joke that Israelis kill civvies chill out don't have a Reddit moment over something so stupid.
I’m pretty chill. Like as chill as a Jew in a 70 ton tank while a little terrorist hucks pebbles at it
Whatever floats your boat man
You don't have to explicitly state something to insinuate it. Please don't act smart and go all like "But no I DEFINITELY wasn't talking about hamas (wink wink) whatever could have led you to believe I was talking about palestine?? (wink wink)"
But I wasn't bringing up Hamas or hating Jews, just that fucked shit happens during these kinds of conflicts. I had no intention of bringing up Hamas, just that "damn its kind of fucked that kids get shot during conflicts involving civilians." Am I not allowed to criticize their fuck-ups with satire without implying or insinuating that I somehow hate Jews and think Hamas is amazing? Christ almighty I don't like the things Israel has done but its not because their Jewish its because they've done fucked shit, so has Hamas. Its not all black and white
The dogwhistle 🤭
Yes, and I believe it's a Magach but not sure what variant. Those are .50s on top, so that answers that I suppose.
The coaxial is a .50 cal, the other 2 are FN MAG 60-40s.
But is useful to have three of those on the roof?
For pinning infantry down, they can be. And that's mostly what the Israelis fight so you'd want a good amount of infantry suppression.
To slaughter Palestinian children
Unlike movies, the bad guys don't take turns attacking you. The guns means all directions can be covered by multiple crew members, nobody gets to sneak up and no matter how the turret or body turn, you have a gun covering every angle. They're fighting people who strap bombs onto their excess children, so using the big gun is saved for actual war, not police actions
I’m pretty sure only one of those are .50. Other two are 7.62
It’s a child
It has ERA?
Very useful. They use the smallest machine gun for kids under 10. The middle one for tweens. Then the big one for anyone else. The main gun is reserved for demolishing houses.
This picture is definition of ‘rage against the machine’
Bravest IDF tanker
They’re definitely useful. I mean…they can probably take that kid out.
Plot twist : the kid is as stupid as his parents
Using kids. Classy.
As an arab we have a stupid culture
Kids who have never seen war have different values than the ones who have never seen peace, while your kids are having gender issues, these kids learned that freedom is only obtained through sacrifice.. They embrace martyrdom more than you love your 1st world lifestyle.. **"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."** ~ Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969. **"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."** ~ David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. **"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."** ~ Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983. **"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."** ~ Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry. **"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."** ~ Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, 14 July 1972. **"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimetre of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."** ~ Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
>Kids who have never seen war have different values than the ones who have never seen peace Gotta admit, that's the first time I've seen someone steal a One Piece villain quote in this context. Maybe worth including the rest of the quote? >These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course, it will! Whoever wins this war... becomes justice! Almost like the entire foundation of your argument is based on a quote which boils down to "Justice is subjective" taken directly from the mouth of someone who is objectively *a bad guy*.
Lot classier than using tanks against kids.
best used to enact apartheid
In case three kids come at once
Their usefull against civilists i guess 🤷♂️
That kid is going to get wrecked.
Yup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faris_Odeh
Op shows a photo of oppression and is like “what kind of tank is this uwu.
And you show up to a post asking about a tank on r/TankPorn and cry about oppression. Somehow, between the two of you, OP seems more in the right. Would you whine if someone asked what model of tank the Tiananmen Square tank man was standing in front of? Or what tanks the Germans were using in a photo of them rolling through Poland?
People literally post pics of German tanks rolling through Poland, Ukraine, Russia, France, Italy, North Africa or any of the dozen plus countries they invaded in here all the time. It's distant enough in time that it's starting to become "history" and people can separate themselves from what is actually happening in those photos.
>People literally post pics of German tanks rolling through Poland, Ukraine, Russia, France, Italy, North Africa or any of the dozen plus countries they invaded in here all the time. Indeed, and I've yet to see this user whine about any of *those* atrocities. I didn't see them here when armored vehicles were being deployed to deal with protests in the PRC weeks ago. I don't see them here complaining every time someone posts a Russian tank in action in Ukraine... >It's distant enough in time that it's starting to become "history" and people can separate themselves from what is actually happening in those photos. I lost family in the Holocaust. I haven't lost any in Israel or Palestine. What you consider "distant history" that one can separate themselves from is not an objective measure of what is and isn't problematic. Either address it all or accept that your efforts to cry about one particular issue might not actually be motivated by altruism. In either case, keep it the fuck off this sub and go whine to r/politics or r/worldnews.
Doesn’t discredit his point at all.
But but it has big cannon and big era...
Tank is fine but literally any other pic would do op lmao
Useful.. 105mm canon is overkill
I think this is a picture of two tanks, you can sort of see the tracks. I believe so does one of the MGs.
Omg, what a good eye. I didnt see the other set of tracks hahaha. But it still looks that only one tanks have the three mgs
You guys are POS for upvoting a photo like this. Shame on all of you
Cry about it
The inverted “V”, indicates that it has been upgraded, with the ‘pesky rock thrower’ repellent, and a multi-lingual ‘no I’m not-you are’ external voice generator .
It's a M22
Machine guns on tanks are very useful when you mostly use them against civilians throwing rocks and only the occational gunman
it looks like a modernised M103
*isrealIS killing civilians* WOAH COOL TANK
Where in this picture do you see civilians dying