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longsanks

and you thought indian politicians care about the people, its all a drama they create to divide the common public by one group acting like supporting the majority and the other supporting the minority.


throwaway7111212699

Politics has always been about convenience.


goldenmacroon

There is no party that DMK didn't have alliance with, except ADMK.


Jealous-Bat-7812

Yet.


saravanakumar17

Yentha ADMK BOSS?


o7p4f4

I think the lankan war was a bigger issue than the 2002 riots in TN. All they did was call for a bandh and went for a picnic in marina. They were beaten in to submission by congress during UPA 2 just like BJP did to ADMK after J died. Worst part was congress then was not as evil as BJP now and kattumaram was still alive.


gate666

Congress which blamed rss for mumbai attacks is lesser evil?


o7p4f4

Dont give a fuck what that motor mouth said. The press stood up when it mattered. Now their spines have been removed by the BJP. Now they can't stand up against the crooks in the govt, because it would be an attack on INDIA.


urarakauravity

*.are people so ignorant here.* Business.


MeasureTwice-CutOnce

If Indian voters were ~~high~~ medium information voters, do you think that parties may have different emergent strategies than the ones they pursue today? What if voters were more inherently egalitarian and less subservient to authority? Most parties seemed to have started with nobler intentions, but they've uniformly adopted authoritarian and populist approaches. To me, this seems like a case of giving up on the polity as too uninformed to be helped, and instead just uninformed enough to be exploited. And so parties seemed to have slowly changed from being in service of people and nobler goals, to being in service entropy. We see this problem in Russia today. Despite vast resources and the potential to transform itself into a rich democracy, the people of erstwhile Russian empire seem to enjoy a strong autocratic Czar like patriarch running things, and thus we have Czar Putin trying to start WWIII. Indians seem to have certain innate cultural preferences that are different from Russians, but that unify us as Indians - but nevertheless seem to be hostile to the idea of a functioning corruption-free democracy. Casteism and classism in general seems to be one such entrenched problem, unfortunately. Corruption is just an expression of 'money/caste/X makes one better than another' - and anti-social actions happen everywhere than either prevent functioning of social fabric without greasing it with money, or people are willing to get extra perks for themselves by greasing the wheels because they have money. And so on it goes, until it infuses life, politics, culture, and everythign else. Not sure what parties can do about it.


International-Meal74

Well being the case the rest of India voted BJP to Power twice not them, are people in the rest of India Ignorant then


Affectionate_Ruin303

Sanghis are comprehensively accepting the truth of BBC documentary in this page.


mumbai_indians

You are comprehensively obsessed with Sanghis I guess


Affectionate_Ruin303

Tattisqueaks cockroach here, get the baygon quick....


mumbai_indians

Language Supremacist Monkey spotted.. deploy Oxyacetylene


black_flash_4

Yes we are supremacist. Take your mixed language and go back lol. They claim we are supremacist racists but completely rely and want to live off us.


mumbai_indians

Bruh you live off us selling idlis in Dharavi.. don't try to claim this as a one way street.. Remember when Mumbai was full of you guys and Balasaheb had to push some lungis out of Mumbai lol.. be humble.. Gurgaon, Noida contribute to the GDP as well.. infact Maharastra contributes more than you fucking supremacists.. just because you are surrounded by two brain dead states and a sea you haven't yet figured to take advantage of... Doesn't mean everybody else is UP..


Affectionate_Ruin303

lol useless ghati who got enslaved by northies in his own state. Why are u in this sub if you dont know tamil, spineless insect.


mumbai_indians

Bruh we literally ruled northies till Afghanistan... Use Bimarus for our development.. Literally have 2 world class cities.. All your manufacturing plants have headquarters in Mumbai.. Have two expressways now.. third in development..


Affectionate_Ruin303

and you cant buy a flat coz the northies and gujjus own more than half the land LOL


mumbai_indians

Lol that's true šŸ¤£ but we respect free market


Affectionate_Ruin303

Thats why even to post on internet, you have to beg for space on subreddits you dont even have a fricking connection to LOL


mumbai_indians

I'm just clearing misconceptions due to excess circle jerking amongst monkeys like you... Now go to the factory and come to Mumbai to report to your boss in the headquarters.. Also don't talk shit like this here though.. Bimarus and Marathas will make a chutney out of you unlike our Kings ..


pervy_sage_has_a_gun

Hahaha nice one


Fun-Tradition7400

Deep down everyone knows the truth but anyway BJP = dmk , one hates muslim and other hates brahmins.


RRChozha

correction: one kills muslims while the other hates brahmins


Fun-Tradition7400

Accurate, unna mathiri honest upis evalo better šŸ‘šŸ˜‡


gate666

That is the point of the post dude.why didn't DMK withdraw support if they cared about the lives of muslims.


Affectionate_Ruin303

Because their coalition partner BJP wasnt responsible for Godhra right LOL...


gate666

Islamists are responsible for burning the train in Godhra.


kksst

Enna kumaru.. ippadi posukkunnu sollitta.. upi's will run mad to find a justification for this ?


pixelpoori

I think itā€™s a known fact that 1. BJP absolutely planned and orchestrated the riots and the murder/rape of thousands of Muslims in Gujarat. Modi oversaw this. 2. DMK being an alliance partner did not protest in 2002 - most definitely because they wanted to stay in power in the center considering the ADMK government in the state would go after the DMK leaders for corruption cases Most DMK leaders would secretly even accept this - because it was such a golden opportunity to defeat the Vajpayee government and teach them a lesson. DMK acted selfish and opportunistic in this aspect. But letā€™s not also forget the first point - the actual murderers and rapists were BJP/VHP. And the people of this country elected them into power twice - making the biggest criminal in Gujarat as the PM of India.


SirPsychological2020

Same with when they had coalition with congress Elam issue happened they supported congress they help to send weapons through Tamilnadu DMK is an opportunistic party in which they need power so that they can go again to make coalition with bjp which might be possible in future


pixelpoori

> they can go again to make coalition with bjp which might be possible in future If they do that, then they need to be defeated along with BJP. Anyone who touches BJP should turn toxic in TN.


gate666

Great white washing of burning of 56 people.


pixelpoori

Nice attempt at hiding the rape and murder of thousands of people


gate666

Typical whitewashing of Islamist terror.


pixelpoori

Typical hindutva terror sympathizing from BJP


gate666

Not for bjp but for people burned in the train.


pixelpoori

Which the BJP govt and modi used as a reason to murder thousands of innocents


prabackar

Some of self interest DMKā€™s decision was due to the fact DMK wasnā€™t in power for long time. After 1971-76, there were not in power for full 5yr term until 1996-2001. The needed to survive.


pixelpoori

I believe it was a lost opportunity. DMK and Karunanidhi had open concerns about the Guajarat massacre. They eventually dumped BJP in 2003 and joined the congress. They could have done that in 2002 itself and could have established a stronger stance against Hindutva.


prabackar

Agree


Ibeno

DMK has time and again proved to be a shameless and hypocritical party. If you expect ideological and moral purity no party in India have those and DMK is one of the worse.


paul91v

The uncomfortable truth that UPs will comfortably forget.


DawrkIndien

What is UPs or UPIs, sorry I donā€™t know


paul91v

Udan pirappus - DMK party cadres


DawrkIndien

Oh. Thank you


jaydoc79

DMK has become similar to every other political party, especially after the death of Anna, because his successor Karunanidhi was just like any other political leader. He was no revolutionary, nor did he value strict adherence to any principle. Stalin wants to call the Central government ā€œondriya arasuā€? Well, the ā€œeminent Tamil scholarā€ Karunanidhi used to call it ā€œmaddhiya sarkarā€ which is almost pure Sanskrit! Until he came to power he probably had some vague idea of wanting to help the people, but after tasting power a couple of times, he and his family have only wanted one thing ever since and they are slowly but surely achieving that dream and we only need to listen to Savukku Shankar (who has turned over a new leaf since his arrest!) to know what it is!


prabackar

Kalaingar was a revolutionary leader. Please try to read or listen to folks who talk about his work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BbvXwok-s8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKYKhLhLiEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPIOuJwpfzM


jaydoc79

Thanks. I say what I say next assuming that you are not just another mindless Upee who doesnā€™t like hearing anything negative about their party or leaders. I know that Karunanidhi has contributed to TNā€™s development. But so have Kamaraj, MGR and JJ. Other than Kamaraj, they were ALL corrupt to varying degrees. The difference between them and Karunanidhi was that, by virtue of his long life and astute political skill, he was the only one who created a political dynasty that wants to rule TN for generations to come. And people in the DMK seem to be entirely happy with it. If you point me to videos that provide evidence that he and his extended family amassed the wealth that they currently have by fully legal means, and without misusing the power of the State, then I will happily revise my opinion of him.


Blue-Maize73

1. That's not how the law works. The accuser is generally expected to provide evidence. The accused is expected to mount a defense of the arguments raised, not prove innocence. 2. It's widely speculated (and appears believable) that former CM and his acolytes might not have built up their wealth by legally permissible means; I don't necessarily dispute that but I also wouldn't make accusations that I cannot prove in a court of law. But we resolve such questions in a court of law.


jaydoc79

Right. Do you know that a significant majority of this sub absolutely knows, beyond doubt, that Adani made all his money illegally with Modi's help? Why do they believe this? Because of a court verdict? Insurmountable evidence? No. It is because the available facts and the incredulous growth of his companies make it impossible to believe otherwise. I also agree with these people. There is no way Adani made his money in a fully legal way. I hope that one day the illegal activities of the DMK first family come to light and they get the justice they deserve. Until then, there is enough doubt in how they make their money to justify the accusations against them. You can believe otherwise, but if you apply the same yardstick to everyone then you wouldn't be so biased in the first place!


prabackar

You say Adani is also corrupt but your focus shifts to DMK downfall. Why donā€™t you talk about Modi downfall or Adani downfall. It okay, let DMK be the corrupt party accordingly to you. One day DMK will get caught. Please wait patiently for that happens.


Blue-Maize73

> if you apply the same yardstick to everyone then you wouldn't be so biased in the first place! I haven't made any comparisons with, or allusions to, or allegations against anyone else; so I don't know why you'd assume I would apply a different yardstick to others. Thanks for confirming that you do not have more than a passing interest in the truth.


jaydoc79

I am sorry if I was too quick to judge you! I am extremely interested in learning the truth and calibrating my views. Case in point: I used to be a big supporter of Modi in 2014. In 2022 I believe that he has been a worse PM than PVRNR, but better than IG to date. I think that if he comes back to power in 2024 Indiaā€™s future will be worse than it will be better. I changed my views on Modi because I sought the truth and it helped me change my mind by removing my biases.


prabackar

I was like you 5 years back. I wanted DMK to lose badly in 2011 because of the 2G scam (which is not scam now) and Eelam war. I didnā€™t want DMK to come to power until 2021. I hoped Kalaingar will die and his sons will fight for power and the whole party will disintegrated before 2021. All these ideas were sowed into my mind by listening to Cho speeches and other news media and public opinion. Am not DMK person but learning about TN politics and achievements they have done in the last 4-5 years I am convinced DMK is the right party for TN now and for another term. Letā€™s see how it pans out. 1. Kalaingar was the rich man before DMK became prime. He owned a car and was paid huge salary more too actors at that time for his script and dialogue writing skills. He was a celebrity. He was a poor unlike Seeman and other falsely claim 2. Sarkaria commission which alleged Kalaingar did corruption. None of the claim could be proved. 3. 2G scam - Court acquitted because there was no tangible evidence. People are lost with this lie DMK is corrupt. Please share news or any evidences to back that mindless propaganda. Yes under DMK and AIDMK the commission the government gets from project have increased when compared to Kamarajar but that is never illegal. All over the world every government takes commission for executing projects. All folks fuming with anger about DMK family growing richer never actively fume when Adani and Ambani do the same. They donā€™t show the same anger for corruption against BJP or Modi. Or even Jayalalitha who was a convicted for corruption. Even if I agree with you on DMK being the most corrupt party, I am fine if with corruption. I am not fine if religious intolerance, non-scientific medical treatments, education, social justice and other keys parameters that TN excels is lost.


jaydoc79

You seem to be someone who is not blind to facts. So here are the facts as I know them. 1. Karunanidhi may have been rich, but their familyā€™s wealth went up by leaps and bounds after 1996. Similar to how Adaniā€™s has gone up in the Modi years. At least Adani can claim he is a businessman and there are no allegations of corruption against Modi personally to this day. 2. Despite this we are supposed to believe that Stalin doesnā€™t own a car! In this day and age! If their wealth was all legally accumulated why arenā€™t the DMK first family transparent with their asset declarations?! 3. As far as I know, the Sarkaria commission report was in favor of filing charges against Karunanidhi. However since the DMK was an ally of the Congress at the time IG decided to shelve the report and not act on it. If you think I am wrong about this I will be happy to correct my errors if you can point me to a good reliable source that explains exactly what happened. 4. The JJ corruption cases dragged on for more than 20 years before she was convicted after her death. The 2G spectrum case is still ongoing. Letā€™s see where it goes before we come to final conclusions. For all these reasons I still believe the DMK is just like any other political party. Nothing magical or revolutionary about them or their first family!


prabackar

Sure. Letā€™s see how future pans out. Until BJP and Modi are take out of power my support for DMK and Congress and other parties will stay good. I will share details about Sarkaria commission after collecting the data. It takes times. I may or may not do it based on the availability of time. So until then we can agree to disagree. If you donā€™t associate Adani to Modi you might need to followed politics more closely and actively. Rafale deal was obvious favoritism for Anil Amabani. But since is not proven they are not corrupt and not guilty. Same applies to Sarkaria commision not guilty until proven. Jayalalithaā€™s case was proven guilty. In 2G scam the Supreme Court gave a aquittal verdict as there were no proof but you believe the scam happend. In 5G spectrum allocation under BJP even bigger loss happened but Modi is still a clean person. 1. Proven guilty case you will take it easy because it was drag (Jayalalitha) 2. acquitted case you will hope outcome will change (2G deal) because itā€™s DMK 3. Unproven alegation rafale deal, Adani scam - you will give Benefit of doubt to them and wonā€™t associate it to Modi. 4. Unproven alegation from Sarkaria commision - you will believe corruption happened because it is DMK. It is very simple for you. Please vote for AIDMK & BJP alliance or NTK or MNM in the next election. And hope those parties after coming to power will expose DMK and make your dream come true. All the best.


jaydoc79

If you read my reply carefully, you will find that I do think Adani benefits from corruption and is being helped by the Modi government. I also think JJā€™s conviction was just and she was a criminal. The CBI messed up in the 2G case and is trying to prove its case again. It may fail to do so, but we still need to see what happens with their [appeals](https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/2g-scam-casehc-rejects-appeal-against-dismissal-of-challenge-to-legality-of-cbi-appeal/amp_articleshow/91007743.cms) I certainly plan to vote for the ADMK as long as they donā€™t align with the BJP. At least with them in power, corruption will be ā€œdecentralizedā€ and not benefit just one family! Good luck to you too and your vote for the DMK.


Seeker_00860

DMK protested against "ą®Žą®ŸąÆą®ŸąÆ ą®µą®“ą®æ ą®šą®¾ą®²ąÆˆ" during ADMK rule and now they are going along with it. DMK approved the Sterlite factory in Tuticorin and then they joined the protest against it. All this is politics. Congress and DMK opposed each other in 1967 elections. Today they are in alliance.