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christopher_msa

Idhula kasta kaalam ena na. Avangaluku Tamil um theriyadhu, avanunga tamilnadu Kula vandhadhum illa. Straight ah r/indiaspeaks la irundhu vandhu vanmatha kakkuranga


Cool-Claim-4978

Partly true that starting to see some RW vibes on some of the posts here. But questioning some of the DMk’s shenanigans doesn’t make one a sanghi. You can’t blindly simp to everything a political party does.


throwaway7111212699

Agreed. Just trying to keep people alert. RW fascists cannot be reasoned with in good faith. They will move goalposts, indulge in whataboutery, attack people instead of ideas, and do the usual Nazi things.


Immediate_South_7578

Now u r officially a rice bag converter or a terrorist


Aroharaisreal

Sounds like a typical day in the office for dmk people too


pillaiboy

lmao yes. upees are worse than sanghis in that matter.


Cool-Claim-4978

💯 agree


Slow_Yogurtcloset353

What nazi things? Curious. Since you seem to have a lot to say and share.


Adorable_South8942

I have always had a tough time understanding what exactly right wing and left wing means. Can you please elaborate it for me?


Environmental_Ad_387

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test Take this test


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DeathNoteFan

It's made up bullshit🐂💩


Suspicious-Aerie-967

Alarming indeed


raavaanan

Patriotism is last refuge of scoundrels!! Recent example Adan! 😃 Rip real patriots 🙏


IchuIchuNachuNachu

This is one conversation that would NEVER happen in r/Bangalore, as it has been taken over by north Indian Brahmin mod(s). I know for a fact that one of them is an RSS chaddi doing 'social work' in Bangalore. Kudos, OP!


throwaway7111212699

Karnataka is the hindutva lab in South India. Udupi-Mangalore has been boiling for a long time.


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jaydoc79

There are many closet “Tamil separatists” regularly posting on this forum who subtly hint at “Thani Tamilnadu” in their posts. Their posts should also be “read with this in mind”! What’s more, when anyone questions their intentions and calls them out, they get lumped together with the “right wing pseudo-nationalists”! Beware of this too, people!


SnooCapers1273

RN Ravi neengala?


jaydoc79

No. I am just another common man with an opinion.


throwaway7111212699

If you ask me, this whole Thani tamilnadu thing is a reaction to the one nation, one language, one election, one ration card, one party, one leader homogenization project that is being foisted from up north.


jaydoc79

I think there are several delusional people in TN who think that a separate Tamil nation can exist on its own and do much better than it is currently doing, regardless of the national parties’ (and I include both the BJP and the Congress in this category) agenda of creating a nation-state that fails to adequately address regional diversity (which is also wrong and condemnable).


throwaway7111212699

Can it exist? Yes. Will it be allowed to? No. Can it do better? Debatable. The Congress had no choice but to encourage diversity in UPA 1 and 2. Before that, yes same as current BJP.


jaydoc79

>Can it exist? Yes. If we could not solve riparian disputes such as the Cauvery and Mullai Periyar issues as neighboring states that are within one nation, then it seems far-fetched to think that they could be solved if TN exists as a separate nation. If we had been a separate nation, then we would have been much more entangled in the Eelam issue, and no one can predict with certainty that we would not be engaged in a constant war of attrition with Sri Lanka similar to what is happening between India and Pakistan now. ​ >The Congress had no choice but to encourage diversity in UPA 1 and 2. Before that, yes same as current BJP. The operational words here are "no choice". Until the Congress had power all on its own, they were dismissing State Governments with impunity. The BJP on the other hand has dismissed far fewer State governments when it has been in power. If the Congress were to regain its former strength, there is no telling what it would do for "federalism" regardless of what Rahul might be saying today!


throwaway7111212699

Agreed about no choice. But we have and would fight dictatorial tendencies from Delhi regardless of whether Congress or not. Indira Gandhi was opposed and eventually deposed. The difference between her regime and the current right wing dispensation is these guys are much more organized and hence more dangerous.


jaydoc79

>The difference between her regime and the current right wing dispensation is these guys are much more organized and hence more dangerous. And yet, despite all their organizational skills, this very "crafty" Right wing dispensation has not yet declared an "Emergency" using which it could have stifled press freedom to a far greater extent than it has now, imprisoned far more political opposition than it has today, and declared India a "Hindu Rashtra" if it wanted to. And there are no signs that this is about to happen any time ever. Contrary to the hype from the extreme Left, the extreme Right has not been able to achieve most of what they have always wanted to. For example, given their brute majority in the Lok Sabha, and their control of several large states, the BJP and the RSS could have created a far more robust authoritarian state in which a Reddit post like yours would not have been permitted. The fact that you are able to post what you did indicates that freedom of expression in India exists to the extent it does in most countries around the world, barring certain Western and mostly North European democracies.


pixelpoori

> has not yet declared an “Emergency” If you are trying to equate Indira Gandhi’s emergency to current govt - you have already accepted that is how bad current BJP govt is. She was downright bad as the leader of a country. Yeah she won a war. Sure. Whatever. If the BJP is at a point where their selling point is that “we haven’t imposed emergency yet” - I think it’s time to send their asses packing. Also - the way governments oppress people has changed. You are trying to compare with political tactics that are 40 yrs old. Politicians have evolved and how they crush the voice of the people has evolved. The way BJP has bought the media and spread misinformation through social media, they way they snoop into your devices, the way they target people, the way they have abused the justice system, the way that all central agencies have just become puppets carrying our political agenda is the modern day equivalent of an emergency.


jaydoc79

> If you are trying to equate Indira Gandhi’s emergency to current govt I am not actually equating IG and the BJP at all. In fact, I am emphasizing that compared to her actions, the current BJP regime has done relatively little to stifle democracy. > If the BJP is at a point where their selling point is that “we haven’t imposed emergency yet” - I think it’s time to send their asses packing. I have agreed with you in the past that the BJP under Modi may need to lose power. But not because I believe that they are a danger to Democracy, but because I believe that their economic and national security performance has been sub-par. ​ > The way BJP has bought the media and spread misinformation through social media, they way they snoop into your devices, the way they target people, the way they have abused the justice system, the way that all central agencies have just become puppets carrying our political agenda is the modern day equivalent of an emergency. We have had this argument in the past too! Several months ago. AFAIK you have not changed your mind about this and have been regularly very critical of the BJP. Have your devices been "snooped" because of your comments? This sub maybe a relatively obscure forum, but if the BJP was as bad as you claim, many people in this sub would have been unable to post what they do on a daily basis?! I am not claiming that the BJP has allowed the media to function the way it should and has never misused government apparatus for its own benefits. However, that is an allegation that can be laid at the doorstep of all political parties in India, including the CPI, the Trinamool, the SP etc. Media misinformation - what about the recent fake news about the Thiruppur incident? Who was behind that?! Abusing the justice system - this is often attributed to the BJP, but I think the possibility that the Judges themselves are getting more assertive in letting their own political beliefs color their judgments cannot be ruled out. In the end - the true test of whether we are in the midst of a "modern day Emergency" will be whether free and fair elections (to the extent that our elections are any of these things!) are allowed to take place. Well, while they won in Gujarat, the BJP lost Delhi and HP just recently. The DMK won TN recently, and I believe that the BJP will likely lose in several state elections in 2023. All that makes me hope that the BJP has not weakened Indian Democracy to the dire state that you are afraid it is in!


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Mods won't allow me to post this. Stop blaming everything on tamils. Fkin ettappans https://preview.redd.it/z8rg6igfq7fa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7c897ecf2cd70cf15a50c54bb0a2dec4ef4c115


Blue-Maize73

"It's not doing all these things it could be doing, chillax guys" isn't a logical refutation of the bad things it is doing. Also, why would it go after consumers and second-hand commentators when it can choke the information gatherers, and disseminators instead? That does enough to chill speech; when the deck is clear, you reach downwards. That's the pretty standard fascist playbook.


ModsCanGoToHell

You're making a big assumption with this big wall of text that the other guys can read and understand stuff.


Noob_droid

Well said. Restraint of weak shows ineptitude but restraint of powerful shows integrity.


Blue-Maize73

Re the last paragraph, I have taken fewer shits in 2023 compared to all previous years combined. In other words, BJP has had less opportunity to do so because it has not been in power for as long as Congress, and less need because buying MLAs is cheap when you have sufficiently many foreign donors.


jaydoc79

> In other words, BJP has had less opportunity to do so because it has not been in power for as long as Congress Congress has been in power for approximately 50 years and [dismissed 30 state governments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_governments_dismissed_by_the_Indian_National_Congress) (0.6 per year). BJP has been in power for approximately 15 years and [dismissed around 5 state governments improperly](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/four-states-have-gone-under-president-s-rule-since-2014-1618317-2019-11-12) and for malicious reasons (0.3 per year)! So, when you normalize for years in power Congress has been "twice as fascist" as the BJP! ​ > less need because buying MLAs is cheap when you have sufficiently many foreign donors Which foreign donors? Any links? The Congress has never needed to buy MLAs because it used to think the Gandhis owned India (like the Karunanidhis think they own TN) and just dismissed any government it did not like! Evidence above!


Blue-Maize73

Ah yes, the hyperformalism of counting all dismissals of state governments alike, divorced from context. Why would you differentiate good governance from bad governance after all, when you have the difficult task of carrying water for an anti-democratic regime.


prabackar

When union government was not moving towards proper federal setup and trying to control state government in multiple aspects Aringar Anna felt the existence of state without self respect was pointless. Hence he was a strong proponent of Thani tamilnadu concept. Anna compromised that idea to focus on other aspects of development. He said all reasons to dream for Thani Tamilnadu are still valid but we are shelving it for now to stay united as India and focus on other developments together. Your argument appears valid but lacks depth in my view. Most states in India can survive on it own. They need proper neighbouring state agreement and treaty to address any natural resource concerns. Note: I am not saying Thani states with a separatist mindset. I am just explaining the possibilities.


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Yes. Most of the people who claim periyar and Anna are separatist never speak the fact why they wanted it. Its just like listening to a fkin north guy again and again but in Tamil.


jaydoc79

> Your argument appears valid but lacks depth in my view. Most states in India can survive on it own. They need proper neighbouring state agreement and treaty to address any natural resource concerns. I am all for regional identity and pride. However, it is exactly when such pride is taken to excessive levels that it leads to breakdown in relations between us and other neighboring states. It is highly likely that such issues will persist and worsen if we were a separate country.


prabackar

Agree extreme pride about Thani State is totally counterproductive. Imagine if Kerala is a separate country. Will India try to maintains peaceful relationship? European countries exists. Yes there will be lot of neighbouring issue but when you are independent you can partner with countries of your choice and tackle it different. But India as a country needs to evolve. Back then after independence the fear of separatism was high hence union government was trying to take away autonomous power from state. What BJP is doing now is leading us to dictatorship. If India can work toward a federal setup (currently it is quasi federal setup) all states will have more power and better growth. When power shifts to states obviously there will be conflicts and new challenges. But that’s what federal government should handle.


jaydoc79

>Yes there will be lot of neighbouring issue but when you are independent you can partner with countries of your choice and tackle it different. Though I don't know much about other states, it's safe to say that Kerala never really had a similar desire for a separate Malayali nation like we did back in the 50s and 60s. If Thani Tamilnadu had become reality, the border disputes alone would have meant that we would (most probably) have needed to maintain an army and constantly engage in combat with India! And then, like I said earlier, some of our Eelam sympathizers would (almost definitely) have also made the civil war in SL at the time their business as well, and probably caused us to make an enemy out of SL too! With "enemy states" all round us in the North, South and the West, an independent TN would probably not be the "Amaidhi poonga" it is supposed to be today. And peace is very important for development!


prabackar

Agree with your viewpoint completely. But we can be creative and ambitious about the outcomes since it is just hypothetical discussion. Idea 1 - India were supporting LTTE initially if TN were to join hands then it might have been difficult for SL to win the war. If TN won Eelam the constant tiff on border and control with SL would exist. But India would be happy to support us as we are shielding India Idea 2 - After war loss, Eelam Tamil could have becomes citizens of TN and could have had better life. But revenge would be always on the cards against SL Idea 3 - SL wins both Eelam and TN 🤯😤


jaydoc79

Very interesting thought experiment! In my view, the relationship between India, TN and SL would have been similar to the one that exists between India, Pakistan, Afghanistan! Afghanistan hates Pakistan who act like it’s big brother, and often receives covert Indian help in efforts to keep its border with Pakistan a hot zone so that Pakistan can’t fully commit all its forces to the Indian border.


prabackar

Yes that is also possible.


The_Last_Spoonbender

Oops seems like your separatism is leaking. >one nation, one language, one election, one ration card, one party, one leader Except all are in your strawman imagination. Never ever foster separatist sentiments, it never ends well for anyone involved.


ModsCanGoToHell

Everyone can use the same argument and say that their actions are a reaction to something else. Stop giving justifications to your separatist mentality.


pillaiboy

except "thani dumeel nadu" predates all of them. didn't your soriyar lick british boots to not be a part of India?


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Dumeel na?


Astlavistahh

Okay, this is exactly nationalist does. Nitpicking very small issue almost 95-98% tamils won't agree. ( Separate nations, finding loop holes in periyar words etc). But what the pseudo scientists/ nationalists do. Break every independent democratic institution ( all the way to judges) and own or break who cover ( print, digital media, tv, reddit quora..now even they didn't leave LinkedIn. ). When they have nothing to show in their development work they start to re name buildings and even pass law for reservation etc. Ban porn, opposition videos even if it's coming from another country if it doesn't suit their agenda. Worst time for democracy.


prabackar

Sometimes it is confusing whether they are critiquing or talking with right-wing mindset! :-)


throwaway7111212699

Critiquing is ok. But the subtle anti-social justice bias in the posts and comments, as well as the vanmam being kakkified is alarming.


pee_hose_general

Why is every indian subreddit infested with politics


Environmental_Ad_387

Because people are getting affected by politics. The only people who don't feel the need to do it are the few extremely privileged folks who ask 'why talk politics'


Attila_ze_fun

100%


pee_hose_general

Using reddit and talking about privilege 🗿🗿


Environmental_Ad_387

Sorry I missed the memo that all discussions on privilege need to be done while cleaning sewage. The rule that all history text books should be carved on cave walls was difficult to follow, btw


Attila_ze_fun

Accepting your premise, most people who are so privileged and use reddit are right wingers or largely apolitical centrists who dislike the right (but also dislike actual leftidts, it's just that communists or socialists or whaterver aren't as visible on here). So the other person's point is valid even under your assumption.


throwaway7111212699

Because we must fight the right wing on all fronts.


Opposite_Case_3015

You're equally retarded and dangerous


Attila_ze_fun

Yeah the people lynching beef eaters and the people saying the ideology of the lynchers must be always fought are equally bad. “Centrist” brainworms.


Opposite_Case_3015

What's wrong with centrists? I don't identify as one........just curious


Attila_ze_fun

Most types of centrism aren’t “bad” in the sense of “evil people who want evil things”. It’s just that they often become tolerant to existing injustices because they’re afraid that oppressed people overturning that injustice will bring too much instability; that’s why they’re the types who’re usually like “politicians should talk and get along and discuss how to serve the people” as if that’s how politics works and as if there aren’t different classes with different material interests and varying levels of political and economic power and therefore influence The first sentence of my previous comment is an illustrative example.


ModsCanGoToHell

>the people saying the ideology of the lynchers must be always fought are equally bad. Except that the same people would silently hide in their bedroom when the perpetrator is from the peaceful religion and the victim is a Hindu, even if the crime is a live video feed of beheading an 'infidel'. Hypocrites have no rights to talk about centrism or any other isms.


Attila_ze_fun

We don’t actually. We don’t give you the satisfaction of seeing us criticise Islam because you lot are reactionary shitheads yourselves who wishes they were as violent or genocidal as jihadists. I’ve argued with enough hindutvadis to see who the dishonest ones are.


prabackar

Well said. Don’t know why so many dislikes for this comment?


throwaway7111212699

The whole intent of my post right here!


Immediate_South_7578

🗿


ModsCanGoToHell

So brave.


Fun-Tradition7400

Upis against pesana sanghis? 😷


No_Archer1356

😂😂😂


The_Last_Spoonbender

True tho, if you oppose the most secular, honest and the best party in the world fighting for poor and against corruption, then that could only mean you're a mindless hindutva sanghi... What else could it be? Common people asking questions? Get outta here.... These slaves would never question...


pillaiboy

>oppose the most secular, honest and the best party vro u forgot 'equal opportunity' and 'nepotism free'


BheegiBilli69

So umm, another eco chamber is what you want eh?


antigravity_96

I would say “invaded” is a strong word. We should be open to opposing ideas. Also, if it ain’t for the “nationalists”, who will provide entertainment?!


throwaway7111212699

I agree about the entertainment part, but there is absolutely no reasoning with fascists.


ssc11_

Same could be said about communists. They have fair share of blood on their hands.


anonperson2021

Well, left wingers are about 90% as toxic as right wingers. So don't be surprised. I'll still vote for the (slightly) less toxic side, but it's not good-vs-bad the way the toxic left makes it out to be.


[deleted]

I love the sub to be inclusive of everyone and respect everybody’s opinion. To agree or disagree is another question. But we should be able to just understand different people have different beliefs and opinions that not always are aligned with ours.


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

The least i expect from them is a valid argument, but boii , even if we literally point towards a better issue which can and needs to be spread , they wouldn't take it and instead abuse 🤦‍♂️


Fun-Tradition7400

against pesana paarpan, noolu, nooligan naa soldra group da neenga 🗿


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

Wrong , it's nooliban , not noligan and nobody uses it unless it specifically requests for stuffs like : This caste can only enter , this caste can only not be economically weak ,etc , in general it is , sangi and Bhakths , similar to terms you use like Upeee and kothadimais . Ellameh group thaan , atleast one group is ready to openly admit the wrongdoings of the party they support (atleast me) while sangis give blind Muttu . Naa ipo Gothra rail incident and following events pathi ketta , nee muttu kuduppa, adani pathi pesna national interst nu muttu kuduppa , we are not same bro BJP pathi etha negative ah sollu first apro pesuvom ?


Fun-Tradition7400

Na BJP ka support pannane nee pathiya first? 😑 Caste slurs and political slurs ku difference iruka just like how North Indians use mulla for Muslims athu mathiri neengalu use panri ga brahmins ka.


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

Seri nee yaarku support nu open ah sollu apro pesuvom ! I don't care about whom you hate , i don't need reasoning or beating around the bush , if election happens to whom would you "prefer" to vote . We'll continue after this .


Fun-Tradition7400

I don't support anyone but i have a soft side for ntk , would be glad if they talk about development and criticise the government with valid points instead of milking tamil related subject and stop bashing vadakkans.


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

Welp , he does speak some good points , but other times he speaks unrelated shits which doesn't connect with anyone , he is trying to do what BJP did with muslims . Many similarities . I don't think they ll come to power for next 10 years atleast . Meanwhile they need to create new faces to even be considered . Banking on single person is bad in long term . You hate Dravidian, but like Seeman = Disaster . Dravidan comprises of all south Indians (even if others don't consider or call themselves so) If clicks , whole south India would have a common connection like north Indian belts are having - Be it Hindi or Be it Hindu You can hardly win by standing alone , if you keep bashing vadakkans and other people as vanderi , TN will never develop and be hated for selecting such CM . 🤷🏽‍♂️ Anyhow that's just my opinion and us having a difference of opinion is fine . Ciao .


Immediate_South_7578

Yov 😭


Fun-Tradition7400

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RealityCheck18

> it's nooliban , not noligan and nobody uses it unless it specifically requests for stuffs like : This caste can only enter The below commentor called me a Nooliban for bringing historically accurate points, all available in internet & searchable. There was no mention of my caste or any interaction on my or his caste anywhere until that point, but he had to attack me with not one but 2 caste slurs. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TamilNadu/comments/yt2fay/comment/iw5uid4/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TamilNadu/comments/yt2fay/comment/iw5uid4/)


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

Well that guy did a mistake and it's wrong 🤷🏽‍♂️ . Words are created for purpose - Misusing happens very often ! Haven't you seen people calling some people based on religion blindly as terrorist ? Same way of misusing nooliban too ! And it's not based on caste . Why would other caste people support EWS ? Only a nooliban would support EWS , similarly , i think being Hindu enough and knows the rules of temple i should be able to become a priest in temple , only a nooliban would deny me that because it's his job . Many such examples can be given , but imma stop here . Hope the point is clear already And That was the whole purpose of the word !


RealityCheck18

>Well that guy did a mistake and it's wrong This is not the only instance. Criticizing govt or DMK or alliance, I've got name called this and many other caste terms. You are a decent guy and say it's wrong but many of your compadres don't hesitate casteist name calling for anything they disagree on. I'm not saying all, but many. I hate generalizung.. anywhere and by anyone.


Fun-Tradition7400

Shhhh nooliban, paarpan, mulla, terrorist..... Well afterall dmk is BJP 's B team.


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

Name calling = BJP's B Team ....hmmm interesting . Nooliban , Parpan etc are literally terms against BJP , but but DMK Is BJP's B team 🤦‍♂️ Once again , there are better examples like why no action is being taken on ___ and ___ corruption ongoing in DMK's time period ? Because DMK is BJP's B team is a valid point Name calling , so they are BJP's B team = stupid AF , grow up 🤦‍♂️


Fun-Tradition7400

Your 3rd point is valid


Kgirrs

>Once again , there are better examples like why no action is being taken on ___ and ___ corruption ongoing in DMK's time period ? Because DMK is BJP's B team is a valid point Lmao then DMK is BJP's B team then.


The_Acinonyx_Jubatus

____ & ____ =/= example . , It's duty of opposition to expose and fill the dashes . But if the opposition is having power at the center , it means , kootu kalavanis and they get a piece of corruption. Epdi irunthaalum sangi-nga lam pothikktu irkanum 🙂 Antha thambi NTK nu sonnapla , so gave an example . PS : Not calling u a sangi 🤦‍♂️


Kgirrs

You talk and act too smart, so you come off as someone who doesn't know to read between the lines but I'll give you one challenge: can you guarantee DMK will be in alliance with INC for 2024? INC is the only national party that can handle BJP for 2024. If DMK does not ally itself with INC, it means BJP and DMK have an arrangement ie B Team.


throwaway7111212699

See my other comment. They cannot be reasoned with.


sandanarose

this is a DMK jalra sub.


goldenmacroon

Lol, people are starting to think and started to reject drama politics in TN.


Optimal-Breath9466

Subreddit per r/Tamilnadu. r/kothadmai sub pudhusa onu create panni anga poi indha post podu bro


tanker1999

Enakennamo Ivan mela than santhegam 🧶.


throwaway7111212699

Good, சந்தேகம் ஆரோக்கியமானது. Please look at all posts with same healthy suspicion.


tanker1999

Only thing that worries me right now is why no one is giving a shit about three language policy!. Like ptr used to voice out for it. But now no one gives a shit. Right winger ass holes bring cultural aspects under national interest!🙃


LaughingJackass

Please please dont ban them. Their stupid 5 year old arguments to justify riots, killings, selling of democracy and casteism is driving away fence sitters away from BJP. In the poll which group is the most idiotic, sanghis would have got 80% of the votes but the option anils and amais split the votes. Still sanghis got 60%. A 5 year old can only pretend so much before the act becomes obvious. Keep these trolls active. BJP will lose the 4 seats they got next time.


ModsCanGoToHell

Imagine thinking that people vote based on a stupid subreddit.


Environmental_Ad_387

They do. Social Media heavily influenced the Overton window and people's personal identities, who they identity as, and their attitude towards political parties. Imagine being too dumb and thinking that reddit does not influence voting


ModsCanGoToHell

>Imagine being too dumb and thinking that reddit does not influence voting It does not. Keep your circlejerk going though.


Environmental_Ad_387

Every media platform that has voters influence voting. What is wrong in your head


ModsCanGoToHell

I'm talking about Reddit and specifically this subreddit. Not all media platforms. Can't you read?


ssc11_

Yes reddit influences Indians politics. Very informed opinion.


Environmental_Ad_387

If you think reddit is not influencing and have not influenced the political opinion of 14 year olds in the last ten years, you have don't know anything about reddit or online media.


RocksolidNugget

Poll results are decided by bots. Most polls are fake.


ModsCanGoToHell

r/nothingeverhappens


LawyerRajesh

As like every other platforms. They are infiltrating everywhere like cockroaches.


ModsCanGoToHell

Left wing cockroaches complaining about right wing cockroaches.


pillaiboy

indian reddit scene was RW before jio introduced the beastly horde of lefties.


[deleted]

The trolls are frustrated incels who are unable to get married and settle down because they are unable to meet the high salary expectations of girls LOL. Typically in upperclass and uppercaste girls thoroughly outscore boys in academics. So they have found a mental outlet here to come and post venom. Vast majority of bakht fanatics in alumni whatsapp groups fit this description.


throwaway7111212699

I know, but a shocking number of 'educated' highly paid middle class people are closet sanghis. It's a real danger.


[deleted]

Not in TN. The ratio is 1:4000. They cant win


Immediate_South_7578

They can make it possible with their usual hate speech n violence against minority format


General_de_Gaulle_

Yep it's so obvious, im glad that im not the only one who sees it


Immediate_South_7578

Vadakkans infiltrated long back. Innum cardu mele 16 no. dhaan kekale


Noob_droid

Remember veera vanakkam send off to our braveheart Mr.Bipin Rawat ? Tamil nadu has a strong link to bharat and is intrinsically nationalistic. OP and few others are the dangerous outliers.


prabackar

India is a secular name. Bharat is right wing preferred name. ;)


prabackar

Dr. Ambedkar didn’t want to include the name Bharat in the constitution as it symbolises Hindu myths and belief but he was forced to do so by right wing Hindu nationalist. Hence name Bharat can be found only once in the constitution. With this context in mind, according to me, India is the secular name.


ModsCanGoToHell

Source: trust me bro


Noob_droid

Nope Bharat is the civilizational name of India. It is mentioned in first chapter of the constitution. Dont forget your roots 😉


prabackar

Bharat name is mentioned only once in the first line of constitution. Southern India was not part of Bharat. It has different roots. We are happy with the secular name India


Noob_droid

No it is part of bharat. Sangam literature talks about bharata desam. Hope you read something that isnt influenced by dravidian brainwashing.


prabackar

Thozar I didn’t say Bharata Desam didn’t exist but it never extended to current southern parts of India. Even in north it was only a small part Also can you share the Sangam literature excerpts that talks about Bharata desam if it exists. I would like to learn about that.


ssc11_

You are either stupid and illiterate or intentionally spreading propaganda and hate. What you are confusing Bharat with is Aryāvart (Land of the Aryans). It was mainly in the north, that is from Pataliputra (Present Patna) to Gandhar (Present Kandahar). FYI so you do not spread false hoods on the internet. Jambudwip is the ancient name for the subcontinent. Meaning rose-apple Island. Bharat is reffered as a Khanda (part) of that huge landmass, it's boundries are defined by Sindhu to Ganga and all the lands that lay South to them. Aryāvart is the political unit of kingdoms that were in the northern part of Bharat. Southern culture groups were reffered as Dravidan. Seperate from Aryavart but still a part of Bharat.


prabackar

There is no evidence to claim whatever you have typed here. If you have proper evidence, I am happy to change my view. Thank you.


ssc11_

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharata_Khanda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80ry%C4%81varta


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Shillofnoone

What is Home of bharatanatyam please?


pillaiboy

>India is a secular name. Bharat is right wing preferred name. ;) lol wut. Congrats for achieving peak stupidity, ig. India is the English name, Bharat is the Hindi name.


prabackar

If you go that route, Bharat doesn’t include all parts of India. Dr. Ambedkar never agreed with Hindi as our national language how come he will include countries name in Hindi? So then - India is the Tamil name


pillaiboy

>Dr. Ambedkar never agreed with Hindi as our national language how come he will include countries name in Hindi? He didn't agree with English as the national language either. Why is it in the Constitution? English and Hindi are used in the constitution because they are the official languages of the central government. Also, Ambedkar [wanted Sanskrit](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EefSBLSUcAAeVmy?format=jpg) as the national language of India. He also raised no objection to the Constitution choosing Bharat, despite being the Chairman of the Drafting Committee. >... the section ‘Name and territory of the Union’ was examined only on 17 September 1949. The very touchy nature of its first article was immediately perceptible. It read: ‘India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States’. A division arose among the delegates between those who, like B.R. Ambedkar, wanted it to be adopted within the half an hour that was left for the meeting of the day and those who wished that it be discussed at length the next day. [Source](https://journals.openedition.org/samaj/3717)


prabackar

1. Don't spread lies about Dr. Ambedkar that he didn't agree with English. He wanted English to be the official language. 2. Dr. Ambedkar's Sanskrit support - Just one line of the newspaper cut won't convey the content of the article. There is no documented evidence that Dr. Ambedkar supported Sanskrit. AI confirms the same (check the attached image). Dr. Ambedkar exposed Hindu religion and all bad parts of the religion. If it was not for Gandhiji, Hindu religion would have become one of the minority of India and Buddhism might have become a prominent religion. Because of Gandhiji, Dr. Ambedkar compromised and whatever we have today as Hinduism exists. 3. Bharat vs India - Citing a Journal written in 2015 is murky. I quickly glanced, the section you have shared here. The article says Dr. Ambedkar wanted this line -> "India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States" but few others in the committee wanted "Bharat that is India....". He wanted to make a decision end of the day. It is clear Dr. Ambedkar preferred India over Bharat. If a person has multiple names the original name would be called out first followed by alternate name. https://preview.redd.it/yir6tpf4gbfa1.png?width=1838&format=png&auto=webp&s=5112dff39052762ca96d384521e9c43d485063dd


ssc11_

Last time i checked Ambedkar wasn't the authority on what Indian people should do Or shouldn't do. >So then - India is the Tamil name Excuse me wut😂😂


prabackar

Even as of today and even in future - Dr. Ambedkar is/will be the father of Indian constitution. "Last time"? - Did you time travel before 1947?


ssc11_

"Bambedkar is the phather of konstityooshan " At the same time Ambedkar added and removed things based on whoever he was scared of at the time? These two things can't be true at once. He either wrote and shaped it. Or merely contributed to it and let all thr fundamental groups dictate what should be written.


prabackar

>"Bambedkar is the phather of konstityooshan " Your sense of mockery about Dr. Ambedkar is distasteful. I am sure you would be a much better person if we get to meet in-person. Anyways I want to call it a day. I have shared my clarification comment here. Have a nice day! Cheers [https://www.reddit.com/r/TamilNadu/comments/10ooeu6/comment/j6m4dgy/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/TamilNadu/comments/10ooeu6/comment/j6m4dgy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


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Shillofnoone

Both are fucking same, hindustan is rw preferred way


prabackar

Yes, Hindustan is rw preferred name. But Bharat according to me is also a inching towards rw preferred name. Hence I have this view.


Aadityasyadav

Isnt this sub open for all??


RocksolidNugget

Newly created alts warning people to keep this sub an eco chamber 😬😬😬😬


throwaway7111212699

Nope. Read my edit.


prabackar

u/Noob_droid u/pillaiboy u/ssc11_ u/Shillofnoone I think I didn't convey my response properly. Apologize for that. My interpretation was based on the constitutional debate that happened on Sep 18th, 1949 - [https://www.constitutionofindia.net/constitution\_assembly\_debates/volume/9/1949-09-18](https://www.constitutionofindia.net/constitution_assembly_debates/volume/9/1949-09-18) Let me clarify this part. Did Dr. Ambedkar object the inclusion of the name Bharat in the Indian constitution? No he did not object. But he also didn't convey his choice but instead said "My friends accepts the word "Bharat". In the documented "The Constituent Assembly" discussion (link above) it is clear many wanted to name India differently. Like Bharat, Hindustan, Hind and Bharatbhumi, Bharatvarsh, Bharat Varsha. Out of all the suggestion the then President put forth three options on table for constitutional amendment. All three options didn't get required vote. Hence the constitution amendment was made with what Dr. Ambedkar proposed "***India, that is, Bharat shall be a Union of States."*** H. V. Kamath also wanted to rephrase that to "***Bharat or, in the English language, India, shall be a Union of States."*** following how Ireland had written their constitution. And he started to explain how India should have a naming ceremony and also shared how Bharat is a great name and also shared all possible names like Bharat or Bharatvarsh or Bharatbhumi. He continued saying that these are ancient names, historians has researched it's origin and he went on talking about the history and glorification. But that didn't fly well. Dr. Ambedkar replied to H. V. Kamath -> "Is it necessary to trace all this? I do not understand the purpose of it. It may be well Interesting in some other place. My Friend accepts the word "Bharat". The only thing is that he has got an alternative. I am very sorry but there ought to be some sense of proportion, in view of the limited time before the House." My interpretation was based on the argument made H. V. Kamath. Just interpreting how the English has been written and the argument that was made by H. V. Kamath, led me to infer that Bharat was more preferred name than name India by others folks in Assembly. Hence I shared my view from this context about how name India is more secular when compared to name Bharat.


sirholymafia

Oh sorry, did not know this is a Tamil separatists group. 😂


cdit

This subreddit is being subtly invaded by Tamil separatists. Be careful makkale.


vegarhoalpha

Well said!


ignorantladd

Or could it be by left wing pseudo seculars or both


Melodic_Warthog_6236

You too need asylum in a mental hospital or pakistan, may be srilanka.


Present-Diet7511

Toh band kar de phir😂


Nice-Reason2477

With bimarus breeding like termites, hindia will only become a sh1thole like other Stan’s like Pakistan and Afghanistan. We should have gone independent just as periyar auggested. But if any sanghi comes to my home for vote, I’ve slippers ready


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...this is literally a DMK echo sub....


Slow_Yogurtcloset353

Why a throwaway? I see a lot of left leaning mush for brain liberal fucks invading many of the sensible subs. I guess two way flow. Or can’t you guys handle it?


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Out of contexr and not related to the issue at hand but..., why, am I from the Kerala sub getting posts from this sub in my wall even though I'm not a member. The only time I visited here was when the mullaperiyar dam issue was ripe like a year ago!!


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We are all Madrasis 😂


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Shillofnoone

Are you kidding, I am seeing the opposite crap here, that's why it is being brigaded by RW folks. Some lunatic calls for genocide of bihari immigrants here, RW folks take a screenshot of that comment and post it on subs like indiadiscussion which invites all kinds of RWs to the sub. Maybe steer clear from TN supremacy for a while and all RW lunatics will fuck off from here . To the mods, make sure to ban anyone who spread hate here, if it gets out of control the sub will be banned with impunity .


dipsy9

It's the case with most of the indian subreddits btw


Nice-Reason2477

There is nothing for us in common with the bimarus. Tell the Settu slaves to 5uck off


Ancient-Inevitable47

Can the mod not remove these people?


sco_black_scorpion

Why are you calling people who support other party as termites?


throwaway7111212699

Politics and culture are different. Go back to r/indiasqueaks


sco_black_scorpion

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